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Android User Locked Out Of Google Accounts After Moving To A New City (itwire.com)

Slashdot reader troublemaker_23 shares a post from ITWire An Android user has been locked out of his Google account apparently because he moved... The explanation offered by Google support staff was that since his address details differed, billing information with Google wasn't current and hence the user's purchases could look fraudulent... During his interactions with Google support to find out why he had been locked out, he was told that "It is our policy to not discuss the specific reasons for an account closure"...

He was initially directed by Google staff to a site where he had to scan his driver's license and credit card and told that he would have to wait 24 hours to get his account unlocked. But after this time passed, he was told that the account would not be unlocked and Google would not tell him why. He was advised to abandon his old account and start a fresh one. However, this meant he could not use the credit card that he had used on the old account...

The affected user called this "a warning to others not to put all your eggs in one basket, because these days, you have no rights over that basket whatsoever." But Friday the user posted an update on Reddit, quoting a Google staffer as saying "we routinely monitor account behavior on Google Play and take action on potentially suspicious activity. Unfortunately, in your case, your account was wrongly flagged and suspended. I have just reopened your account... I sincerely apologize for the stress and inconvenience this has caused you."

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  1. I think he just got scammed . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    he scanned his dl and credit card into a google site ??

    yeah .. i think he may be in for a bit more inconvenience other than being locked out of google

    1. Re:I think he just got scammed . by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      After that... use a gmail account which you also pull down via IMAP to a local server ...

      The discussion here is about people losing access to their gmail account without notice and with no way to get it back.

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  2. This is kind of ridiculous... by ZorinLynx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's frustrating that you pretty much have to go to the media/public and embarrass a company before they will fix issues like this. Not everyone has the time to do this, and not everyone will be able to get enough people to listen to raise a big enough fuss to get the company's attention. I wonder how many situations like this happen that we never hear about and never get resolved?

    "he was told that the account would not be unlocked and Google would not tell him why."

    If your account is disabled you should have every right to know why and there should always be a path to correct it. What the hell?

    I'm an Apple user; if they pulled this crap with my Apple ID it would be extremely irritating; you can have a lot of money wrapped up in these accounts in the form of purchases!

    1. Re:This is kind of ridiculous... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If your account is disabled you should have every right to know why and there should always be a path to correct it.

      If your account is disabled because they suspect you are actually an identity thief who stole the account, they probably don't want to tell you what gave you away. This totally sucks if you are the genuine owner of the account.

      There was a path to correct it. The story is newsworthy because for some reason the normal way to correct the problem wasn't working.

      I'm an Apple user

      I guarantee you that a similar problem could happen to you. Move to another city and it might look like you are an identity thief; then, one Apple employee screws up and you might be rejected in the appeal. Google doesn't have a monopoly on that.

      P.S. Consider how Apple treats the people who submit apps to the App Store, and they paid $99 for the privilege.

      https://medium.com/@alariccole/apple-literally-stole-my-thunder-253aed27a455

    2. Re: This is kind of ridiculous... by lucm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The guy went from Google to Amazon? That's like trading a fully loaded Honda Accord for a Honda Civic with no A/C.

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    3. Re:This is kind of ridiculous... by taustin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm an Apple user; if they pulled this crap with my Apple ID it would be extremely irritating; you can have a lot of money wrapped up in these accounts in the form of purchases!

      With Apple, you're the customer. With Google, you're the product, and they really don't care, because eyeballs are fungible.

      One of the very few things Apple gets right.

    4. Re:This is kind of ridiculous... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      With Google, you're the product, and they really don't care, because eyeballs are fungible.

      This is of course complete bollocks. Otherwise why would they even try to make a good user experience?

      Google sells advertising. You can use their services for free, or choose someone else's, or pay to have the ads removed and get some extra features. Some services don't even have ads at all, like Docs, because they make their money from business users. And of course, some of their products are not free, like their phones, and some are just there to provide a gateway to other services like Chrome OS.

      Notice how Chrome OS doesn't have ads baked in, unlike say Windows 10 or Ubuntu. Microsoft make you pay and look at ads. Are you not Microsoft's customer, even though you paid for Windows? Do you think they don't care if you use someone else's OS?

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    5. Re:This is kind of ridiculous... by Bongo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's the important thing. Whether we "buy" or "rent" or "license" or whatever, isn't the point. What matters is that companies make the effort to treat people properly. For example, at any time the power company could just cut me off and leave me freezing in the dark on a cold winter, and buying a generator shouldn't really be the "answer" to that, rather, companies which provide "critical" infrastructure shouldn't be allowed to just go cutting things off at the first sign of inconvenience to them.

      And of course regulations can go too far to the other extreme.

      But it isn't about market freedom or personal responsibility or socialism or whatever, it is about the film Brazil and an innocent man named Buttle who was the victim of bureaucratic error.

      If we are using CPUs and SSDs as glorified desks and filing cabinets, the "bureau" in bureaucracy -- if we are simply building an even dumber and colder bureaucracy in silicon, then WE ARE DOING IT WRONG.

    6. Re:This is kind of ridiculous... by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They can, but it would be a PR nightmare and would be splattered all over the news within a day of it happening.

      No.

      It appears that when this kind of thing happens it's "splattered all over the news", but that's because when it doesn't make the news, you never hear about it. It's a perception error.

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  3. rights by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "warning to others not to put all your eggs in one basket, because these days, you have no rights over that basket whatsoever."

    This can not be repeated enough.

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    1. Re:rights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This can not be repeated enough.

      I concur. Google has a history of completely shutting people down like this. This week we saw them apply the "internet death penalty" to people who (admittedly through their own negligence) violated a policy on ordering Pixel phones. Now there's this guy who did nothing wrong at all, and there are plenty more like him. It's been a real problem for Android developers. Accrue a random/arbitrary TOS violation against any one Google service, and they wipe out your _entire_ Google existence, including your Play Store developer account and all apps it owns. Google Play, GMail and calendars, Google Drive, Docs, Voice, Wallet, AdSense, Hangouts... _All_ of it is shut down for allegedly violating the TOS of any one service, and the only avenue for appeal results in either radio silence or a canned autoresponse.

      This mirrors Google's abysmal track record at handling YouTube complaints. Anyone can file a "strike" against any other user for any reason/bogus reason. A single user can generate multiple strikes against one target. If your YouTube account gets locked out, and you aren't famous enough to generate a big public backlash (h3h3 ETC) against Google, you're screwed.

      Savvy developers are now essentially minting a new identity from which to publish apps. New burner Android phone with a cheapo plan and clean number not tied to any other Google service. New GMail account activated with the burner phone. Google Play developer and merchant accounts registered to a family member's address. Install Android SDK and Chrome into one VM configured with a VPN, and never run SDK or Chrome anywhere else. ETC... At least this way if someone registers a bogus complaint against your app, you might lose your app but you don't lose access to your entire personal Google world and all of _your_data_ stored therein.

      As Google continues to automate away the burden of interacting with their users, it will only keep getting worse. I'm honestly surprised this guy got in touch with a human being.

    2. Re:rights by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "warning to others not to put all your eggs in one basket, because these days, you have no rights over that basket whatsoever."

      This can not be repeated enough.

      You effectively have no rights over any basket. The FBI can invent charges, come into your house, take your server, and return it in pieces.

      This is a problem that has to be solved at a much higher level than google. A legal one.

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  4. Social media saves the day by fustakrakich · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He had to go public to correct the situation. Just like with security flaws, full disclosure is the only way, or it won't get fixed.

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  5. Too big to fail by nikkipolya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now a days tech companies are all about creating too big to fail entities. Be it Uber, Amazon, Google, Facebook... The amount of trust we are placing on them, our dependency on them, can turn out to be dangerous in the long run.

  6. We need legislation to stop this sort of shit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Too many Internet giants have this mentality, that they don't need to give you an explanation if they close your account. You may say that the account is on their service. I say that if they want to be so central to modern life, they have a responsibility they're trying to avoid.

    They've had plenty of time to come up with their own solutions, internally or as part of associations. It's time the government stepped in.

  7. Re:never gave them credit card number by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a Google phone, they have my credit card info for occasional billing. I move frequently between the UK and Japan, changing my registered address and phone number, and it's never a problem. This guy seems have been the victim of a genuine mistake.

    If anything it's been getting easier to do this over the years. It used to be that it would look at your locale, see you had apps installed from a different locale's Play store and uninstall them for you. Now it just updates them properly, even if your current local repo doesn't list them.

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  8. Re:Shit happens by Shadow+of+Eternity · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google doesn't even HAVE support in any meaningful way. If something gets fucked up with any of the usual google services (gmail, calendar, etc) you're screwed and that's all there is to it. Short of having a friend who works for google or being a big enough public figure to shitstir there's no way to contact a human and no way to resolve the problem.

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  9. Re:never gave them credit card number by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    > apparently they didn't like the change in my IP address.

    This did not happen.

  10. Re:never gave them credit card number by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And this is why I won't buy anything via Google Play (or the Apple App Store) and most of the apps on my phone come from F-Droid. I won't buy anything that comes with a built-in revocation mechanism for my purchase over which the seller has total control. Would you buy a phone with a contract that said that at any point the seller could require you to give it back (but they keep the money) without providing any justification and at their sole discretion? Of course not, yet people are quite happy to do the same thing with software.

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