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Apple Abandons Development of Wireless Routers, To Focus On Products That Return More Profit (bloomberg.com)

Apple has disbanded its division that develops wireless routers in a move that further sharpens the company's focus on consumer products that generate the bulk of its revenue, Bloomberg reports. From the article:Apple began shutting down the wireless router team over the past year, dispersing engineers to other product development groups, including the one handling the Apple TV. Apple hasn't refreshed its routers since 2013 following years of frequent updates to match new standards from the wireless industry. The decision to disband the team indicates the company isn't currently pushing forward with new versions of its routers. Routers are access points that connect laptops, iPhones and other devices to the web without a cable. Apple currently sells three wireless routers, the AirPort Express, AirPort Extreme, and AirPort Time capsule. The Time capsule doubles as a backup storage hard drive for Mac computers.

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  1. great news by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Insightful

    as someone who supports consumer grade routers, this is the best news I could get today. these airports are the worst

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    1. Re:great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      My favorite AirPort-ism is that in order to apply port forwarding changes, you have to restart the entire router.

      That's really all you need to know about how they're designed. Setting up a port forward is hard enough (you have to use a special Apple program to do it, there is no browser-based interface), and then to apply the newly forwarded port the entire router needs to reboot.

      Hope you remembered to set the IP on the forwarded device to be static, or you're going to have a lot of reboots in your future.

    2. Re:great news by ganjadude · · Score: 3, Informative

      agreed i should have been clearer, as someone who is admining. they are a pain. they are great for a user once configed tho.

      everytime i have to swap one out i have alot more work to do because apple thinks a MAC address check when connecting to an access point is a good idea (and it is in locations where someone can spoof a network easily) but when swapping out a bunch its either reflash wifi profiles on a number of devices, or change the network name due to mac not matching

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    3. Re:great news by ganjadude · · Score: 4, Informative

      right now i find the easiest to work with are for a plig and play option i like the netgear nighthawk line. and for a little more customability (not to say the nighthawk cant be customized i simply have not done any) I like the linksys wrt 1900AC flashed with tomato

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    4. Re:great news by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Having used multiple routers from many vendors, I'll say this: the Airport Extremes are pretty darn awesome with an admittedly slightly more difficult setup for certain rules you'd like. However, they are rock solid, don't require reboots hardly ever, and connectivity actually works, versus the drops I've had on every other brand I've used, with the sole exception of the wireless that comes on the Verizon Quantum gateway modem which also has been relatively decent, although it has required a few reboots.

      Regarding the wifi profiles on devices, I'm not sure it matters with Apple routers or not. I've had issues swapping out other modems as well, but it's as simple as re-entering your password. Since I have swapped out exactly 1 extreme in about 7 years, I don't think that's a huge hassle.

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    5. Re:great news by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      . Setting up a port forward is hard enough (you have to use a special Apple program to do it, there is no browser-based interface)

      It's true that there's no browser-based interface (and needing a restart is stupid), but it's not true that you need an Apple program. The routers speak SNMP, so you can use a third-party tool if you prefer.

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    6. Re:great news by gmack · · Score: 4, Informative

      The "flashed with tomato" part is key. I find the default Linksys router's stock firmware to be worse than useless. Alternately, I find the newer Asus routers (the ones that can update online) to be flexible out of the box without needing to be flashed

  2. Really? by trevc · · Score: 4, Funny

    Glad they explained what they are /s "Routers are access points that connect laptops, iPhones and other devices to the web without a cable."

  3. Airport by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm so glad my Airport router died. In true Apple fashion, you needed external software to configure it. Totally bizarre.

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  4. Re:Routers are access points by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Funny

    What amazed me is this news:

    Routers are access points that connect laptops, iPhones and other devices to the web without a cable

    Oh... THAT'S what routers are.... I have apparently been holding mine wrong this whole time...

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  5. Re:Time Capsule by XXongo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah, I'm at a loss as to why they think moves like this are sensible. The hard core of Apple fanboys who want all of their devices to have that same logo and to automagically work together

    I don't care about the label, but I emphatically believe that devices I buy ought to "automatically" work together, and that this feature (which I call "functionality") is worth paying extra for.

  6. Oh Really? by Dust038 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Like that $300 book of pictures of just their products?

  7. Of Course by MichaelJ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because if your Desktop and Documents folders live on iCloud drive, and your music streams from the iTunes store, why would you need a Time Machine backup any more?

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  8. Apple's made this kind of decision before by laird · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Apple's killed off peripheral businesses in order to strengthen their core businesses before.

    For example, Apple used to have a $1B/year printer business, which was highly profitable. They killed it, because doing so for them to get all the major printer companies to ship their standard printers with support for both PC and Mac, which ultimately grew Mac sales.

    They used to sell a digital camera, the first consumer digital camera that was easy to use with a computer. When the digital camera industry developed some decent standards and became easy for consumers to use, Apple killed their digital camera, and sold Canon, Nikon, etc.

    Same for AppleTalk -> EtherNet, ADB -> USB.

    Apple introduced their routers when routers were extremely consumer hostile with horrible software, and Apple's routers are well made and very easy to set up and use, making it easy for Mac owners to get online. Now, routers have gotten a lot better, to the point where Apple doesn't need to invest R&D in making them usable.

  9. Does any other router have this tech? by MichaelJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One thing Apple routers had was the ability to set themselves up as a Bonjour proxy, so for example your Mac could advertise its iTunes library sharing, but go to sleep. The router would repoint the address to itself, and if you tried to access that library from another device, the router would send a wakeup to the Mac, then repoint Bonjour back at it.

    Also, while the rest of the world uses uPNP, Apple routers use NAT-PMP.

    Are these technologies just dead now?

    And in response to the comments above about more availability for network drives to be used as remote Time Machine backups, instead of requiring a Time Capsule, will Apple decide to kill off remote backups entirely because the experience is no longer guaranteed or even consistent with third-party devices?

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  10. Another good product gone by krray · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I find this disappointing. For me the AirPort Express was *THE* choice to use -- and I still use AirPlay on them too.

    My biggest problem was covering 90 thousand square feet area (indoors and out). I bought thousands and thousands of dollars worth of various router brands (and returned them all) trying to do this. Key word would be reliably. They all suck. Except Apple's. The AirPort's ability to relay / extend the network wirelessly made it the winner. They just work...

    Their form factor made them easy to deploy too -- no ugly antenna's all over the place. Sure, lack of antenna may have limited their range ... I just bought more of them.

    Now I'm back to square one again. Ugh.

  11. That's too bad... by Mad+Quacker · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only wireless router I've ever owned that didn't need to be rebooted all the time (or ever) and didn't have weird compatibility problems with certain clients that needed their wifi toggled to fix weird performance and latency issues. Yes, you can complain about the configuration and interface, but you do that like once, and the rest of the time you hope to leave the thing alone.

    Now - where can I buy a router this isn't full of sales gimmicks and just works right? Clearly going to the high-end of consumer routers doesn't cover that.

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