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Google Search Results Have Liberal Bias, Study Finds (thedenverchannel.com)

According to a new study reported by The Wall Street Journal, Google's search results tend to lean liberal. "An analysis by online-search marketer CanIRank.com found that 50 recent searches for political terms on Google surfaced more liberal-leaning webpages than conservative ones, as rated by a panel of four people." The Denver Channel reports: "Minimum wage" tended to yield more liberal results, while "does gun control reduce crime" resulted in more conservative ones. Searches for "financial regulation" and "federal reserve" found mostly nonpartisan links. CanIRank used the opinions of four people to determine how liberal or conservative each website was. For 16 percent of the political search terms studied, no right-leaning results showed up at all on the first page of results. CanIRank noted this could be a problem for democracy. A different study found most people click on one of the first five search results. Users rarely move on to the second page. A Google spokesperson said in an email to the WSJ: "From the beginning, our approach to search has been to provide the most relevant answers and results to our users, and it would undermine people's trust in our results, and our company, if we were to change course." According to Google, their results are "determined by algorithms using hundreds of factors" and "reflect the content and information that is available on the internet."

385 comments

  1. Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It is a well known fact that reality has a strong liberal bias.

    1. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that pretty well covers it.

    2. Re:Reality by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 0

      You made a spelling mistake. You have to capitalize Reality when you use it as a proper noun.

    3. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And only in the heads of liberals is reality synonymous with popular opinion on the Internet.

    4. Re:Reality by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Fact has no bias. It just is. Bias is when we inject our emotion and opinion into facts.

    5. Re: Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is your bubble doing?

    6. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at least online.

    7. Re:Reality by Jodka · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It is a well known fact that reality has a strong liberal bias.

      What insufferable arrogance.

       

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    8. Re:Reality by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Note how many times they have made that claim, just in this thread.
      Denial be deep and wide...

    9. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, does that refer to classic liberalism?

      Or modern, DNC statists that call themselves liberal, but run completely opposite of what the word means?

    10. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not an argument, though I do look forwards to claiming reality has a strong republican bias when Trump gets into office. Perhaps you'll realize that it's a meaningless phrase then.

    11. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is a well known fact that reality has a strong liberal bias.

      Yes. Yes it does. Witness the liberal bias inherent in Auschwitz. The killing fields of Cambodia. The Rwandan genocide. Starving children in countless countries. Cancer. Diseases. A pack of hyenas ripping the guts out of a gazelle as it struggles to flee. Wipe away the tear of joy that comes to your eye as a warm, liberal, pyroclastic flow envelops Pompeii burying every living thing with blazing hot ash. Can't you just smell the liberal bias and roasting flesh? Marvel as Genghis Khan's liberally biased hordes sweep across vast territories liberally slaughtering millions.

      Oh wait... reality has no liberal bias you ignorant fucking putz. How utterly pathetic that such cliched tripe got modded insightful.

    12. Re: Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Fact has no bias, it just is."
      And that is your opinion.

    13. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is a well known fact that reality has a strong liberal bias.

      What insufferable arrogance.

      Don't sweat it. Hubris is the reason liberals are losing BAD right now.

    14. Re:Reality by quantaman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It is a well known fact that reality has a strong liberal bias.

      What insufferable arrogance.

      Then get your fellow conservatives to stop lying their assess off.

      I'm sorry but if I were a Conservative with intellectual integrity I'd be absolutely ashamed of the state of my movement and wouldn't have the first idea where to go.

      Did you not watch the party that represents your movement first spend years falling head over heels with an obviously incompetent Sarah Palin, only to eventually go all in behind a man so lied so shamelessly that I can't even think of a comparable individual and with only a vague idea of what a President actually does?

      Did you not see The Volokh Conspiracy, a site so solidly right wing their favourite candidate was Ted "I'm going to threaten the country's solvency to launch my Presidential bid" Cruz, come out almost uniformly against Trump.

      Did you not watch virtually every respected intellectual within the Republican party either oppose Trump, or only back him with extreme reluctance?

      Were you paying attention when your base was taken over by ridiculous birther conspiracies and freakouts that the federal government was about to invade Texas?!?

      This is not "there's two sides to every story", or "well Liberals are just as bad". Stupid Liberal conspiracies happen too, but they're the exception, not the rule. They don't end up dominating the entire movement.

      There is a valid role for conservatism to play in the public discourse, so toss out the damn clowns and hucksters and start playing it!!

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    15. Re:Reality by Solandri · · Score: 2

      The web has a liberal bias. The U.S. population overall is to the right of the web, which is why the web is flabbergasted that Trump somehow managed to win the election.

    16. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the lying cunts on the right.... I would say it does, actually.

    17. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is not "there's two sides to every story", or "well Liberals are just as bad"

      They're worse: Liberals have some braindead ideas (anti-vax, for example), and then if you disagree with them they call you racist.

    18. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      calm down dear

    19. Re:Reality by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It is a well known fact that reality has a strong liberal bias.

      What insufferable arrogance.

      The principle is also often stated as "information wants to be free". As it turns out, so do living organisms.

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    20. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Weird, I thought anti-vax was more associated with the Trump/tea-party contingent.

    21. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You suffered it long enough to post. Thank you.

    22. Re:Reality by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

      I guess they figure if they repeat it enough it will come true. I have my doubts. The Soviets talked big about being on the "right side of history" too.

    23. Re:Reality by dywolf · · Score: 1

      you're simply stating the idea that the phrase "Reality has a liberal bias" is backwards in its cause and effect.

      which is true.

      the reality is simply that liberals acknowledge reality:
      -single payer systems are cheaper and more effective
      -gun control works
      -global exists and is caused by humans

      but that itself is what lends credence to the rather tongue in cheek phrase, as conservatives like to pretend that:
      -single payer doesn't work, even though most of the rest of the developed world enjoys its benefits every day
      -gun control doesn't work, even though most of the rest of the developed world enjoys its benefits every day
      -global warming doesn't exist, regardless of the numbers of measurements taken, how far back the data goes, or that it's a conspiracy somehow involving more than 97% of the world's scientists, some few hundred thousand people

      thus, the cheeky phrase.

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    24. Re:Reality by bfpierce · · Score: 0

      anti-vax is across both schools of political thought, it's not a 'liberal' or 'conservative' idea. It's just fucking stupid, and we all have stupid people in our midst.

    25. Re:Reality by dywolf · · Score: 1

      the only thing you prove when you say that, is that you don't actually know what classical liberalism is.

      conservatives use the term to refer to ALL forms of liberalism prior to the 19th century (ie, prior to the 1800s, ie, the founder's, who were as varied in their political beliefs as we are today). that is an incorrect usage of the term.

      Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedoms found in economic liberalism which is also called free market capitalism.

      That used to be simple "American values", but now its "liberalism". Note that even while utilizing free market capitalism, it also still allows for the intervention in the market where needed, as it recognizes the rough edges of such a system, and seeks to blunt them, even going back as far as the Factory Acts.

      Out of this grew neo-classical-liberalism, which is what conservatives (including you) are really referring to, which is a fetishized version of classical liberalism that puts its emphasis on the absolutely minimal government (or none at all) and absolute individual freedom. that has become what we now call "right libertarianism", which disavows any societal compulsion or responsibility, and is only about half a step away from anarchy.

      Also:
      STATIST!
      DRINK!

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    26. Re:Reality by dywolf · · Score: 1

      really?
      trump?
      the man for whom >75% of his statements are verifiably false, the largest % of any politician alive today, even when they are not unintelligible streams of random conscious thought?

      please.
      go on.

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    27. Re:Reality by dywolf · · Score: 1

      once again: He won the Electoral College (theoretically...they have yet to actually vote).

      The majority of people, however, voted for Clinton instead. Now by a margin of over 2 million.
      Which means the overall US populations (continues) to lean left.

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    28. Re:Reality by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny part of it is that it's true, regardless of how it makes you personally feel.

    29. Re:Reality by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      The Left also has problems with intellectual integrity. (Note, I don't agree with the section on climate change, and also note that I'm not a conservative.)

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    30. Re:Reality by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I don't think you can really call HRC "left". Farther left than Trump on some things, sure, but that's a really low bar.

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    31. Re:Reality by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Ah, a conservative who can't take a joke. Or, probably, base social policy on evidence of what works and what doesn't.

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    32. Re:Reality by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Single payer does work. The problem is that I get to pay for other people to have insurance for free. That's a fact.
      Gun control works to control gun crime. It also has a less than positive affect on other types of crime. It also makes the citizenry helpless. Those are facts.
      Global warming certainly exists and mankind is a major cause of it. That's a fact.
      Global warming opportunists seek to use cap and trade to profit at the expense of the working people. That's a fact.

      There are lots of facts but liberals like to pick and choose.

  2. Not a surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most results are biased towards the side that feels most emphatically about it? Not shocking, if their hundreds of factor algorithms include things like links or hits.

  3. side effects of truthiness by supernova87a · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, as they say, truth has a liberal bias, so if your search engine weights things that provide more credible factual information, and more credible factual information is associated with liberal news/information sources, what's the problem?

    If the effect however, is that conservative opinions / viewpoints based on factual information are being deemphasized, then that's a valid point - but I don't think that's the effect going on here. Or perhaps conservative viewpoint webpages tend not to contain the same amount of credible factual information...

    1. Re:side effects of truthiness by Desler · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's not even objective evidence of what is being claimed. This is just the opinion of four people.

    2. Re:side effects of truthiness by CaptainDork · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This.

      "...CanIRank used the opinions of four people..."

      What the simple fuck?

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    3. Re: side effects of truthiness by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 4, Informative

      And yet the people who assume that the study agrees with their world views are quick to accept it as some sort of reflection truth.

      It is a well known fact reality is distorted.

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    4. Re:side effects of truthiness by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "...CanIRank used the opinions of four people..."

      I guess the takeaway is that the Wall Street Journal is a fake news site.

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    5. Re:side effects of truthiness by kimvette · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In many conservatives' minds, it is, because they are obviously co-conspirators in the liberal conspiracy. All too many conservatives disregard anything that disagrees with the tinfoil hat set's holy trinity (Limbaugh, Beck, and Jones) because obviously so-called "legitimate news sources" are trying to hide the truth... the truth that gay and nonwhite people are in cahoots with the lizard people who run the Illuminati and therefore the shadow government.

      Yes, some people really believe that.

      It's maddening, and no amount of evidence will prove to them that "crooked Hillary" isn't, and that Trump isn't a saint. Oh, and the videos of Trump admitting to sexual assault, bragging about ripping off small businesses deeming it "good business," and so forth are faked, just like the moon landing.

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    6. Re:side effects of truthiness by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      Well, as they say, truth has a liberal bias, so if your search engine weights things that provide more credible factual information, and more credible factual information is associated with liberal news/information sources, what's the problem?

      Oh but think of the poor people that were brought up in completely delusional belief systems and how much their feelings get hurt when they are confronted by reality. Have some compassion would you? Irrational, delusional people have feelings too.

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    7. Re:side effects of truthiness by zifn4b · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There's not even objective evidence of what is being claimed. This is just the opinion of four people.

      What you don't realize is that some belief systems that have been popular for thousands of years only need a crusty old book with no contemporary evidence to basically enslave all of the Western Europe for several centuries. We've come far as a culture but still very far from rational, it pains me to say. I think we'll eventually get there though.

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    8. Re:side effects of truthiness by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's not even objective evidence of what is being claimed. This is just the opinion of four people.

      Ya, but they were: Zeus, Athena, Apollo and Hermes -- Hades was busy with the election.

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    9. Re:side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This isn't a conservative or liberal thing. It's an extreme viewpoint thing. As you go farther left or right, the likelihood that people will be doing this increases - although it may be about different things.

    10. Re: side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the liberal's mind set is as Ford's quote, you can have any color as long it's black (no pun). it's cool and enlightened as long as it's within their tent, anything outside is racist, bigot, just fill in the pc words. this is the holier than thou arrogance that you see all the time.

      we are actually no different from North Korea, over there, Kim dictates what is correct and proper; over here, we are "more civilized", we have pc to vet our actions, we get shouted down, either be pc or be racist. and to think we are a democracy.

    11. Re:side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What non-sense comments get rating of 5?! The claim is that Google is doing fact checking now and producing results based on facts? Excellent! Do you know what you are even talking about?

    12. Re: side effects of truthiness by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      As a beginning writer, my 1st-year professor whipped "It is a well known fact ..." out of me with an office visit and an F.

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    13. Re:side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are you the fifth opinion? Where are the facts that back up a statement like "but I don't think that's the effect going on here". Four opinions (or maybe you, as the fifth) does not bring any factual sway to this article. No search engine should be trusted to bring back an unbiased display of results.. and that is the crux of this article. You in effect state that web information that contains a conservative viewpoint is immediately suspect... as it can "tend not to contain the same amount of credible factual information". Where is your un-repudiated source? Do you still not accept that a moderate conservative American public took the their opinions to the polling booth, and voted our next president into office?

      Take a gander at an op-ed from a website and author that isn't entangled in our politics. Then you decide what happened.

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2016/11/18/fake_news_facebook_moral_panic_overblown/

    14. Re:side effects of truthiness by Jodka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, as they say, truth has a liberal bias,..

      Really, please, keep saying stuff just like that.

      It merits the reward of higher social status among your peer group of the neo-progressives perennially oblivious to the midwestern distaste for snotty liberal know-it-alls presuming to be our intellectual betters while demanding ever-more tax dollars, political power and control over our lives.

      Win elections much?

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    15. Re: side effects of truthiness by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      we are actually no different from North Korea

      This is the kind of statement you get when people can no longer think for themselves, but rely upon demagogues.

      "we are actually no different from North Korea"

      Think about that for a minute.

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    16. Re:side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This.

      "...CanIRank used the opinions of four people..."

      What the simple fuck?

      I read that as "What the sample fuck?"

    17. Re:side effects of truthiness by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 1

      Truth doesn't even really come into play. Google search results are not necessarily the "truth", nor does Google even make the claim. Google, rather, strives for "most useful" results. Often, this becomes more "the prevailing opinion of the internet", more than anything else. Recall:

      - For a good number of years, roughly coinciding with their antitrust trial and conviction, if you were to google for: "more evil than satan", the top result would be Microsoft's website.

      - When Rick Santorum demonstrated himself to be extra super special loathsome a while back; there was a backlash and movement to define the word santourm as "the frothy mixture of lube and fecal matter that is sometimes the byproduct of anal sex". This is, in fact, still the third result if you google for santorum, with the wikipedia page describing the campaign at the top and his own wikipedia page at #2.

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    18. Re:side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's the funny thing. WSJ is a Rupert Murdoch property. Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Three months later, on August 1, 2007, News Corporation and Dow Jones entered into a definitive merger agreement.[23] The US$5 billion sale added The Wall Street Journal to Rupert Murdoch's news empire, which already included Fox News Channel, financial network unit and London's The Times, and locally within New York, the New York Post, along with Fox flagship station WNYW (Channel 5) and MyNetworkTV flagship WWOR (Channel 9).[24]

    19. Re: side effects of truthiness by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Your post is an example of another problem: a complete disconnect from context.

    20. Re: side effects of truthiness by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      I read the post and you're an idiot. If you say something racist, a liberal might yell at you or worse, say something about you on an internet forum. If you act like a major douchebag, you might even get fired.

      In North Korea, if you say something mad leader doesn't like, you and your entire family will be tortured, sent to labor camps or outright executed. Or hey he might just not like your face and you'll be the victim (more torture, labor camps) of the next purge.

      Only in the mind of someone deeply delusional are those even remotely related.

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    21. Re: side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think about that for a minute.

      If he was capable of thinking he never would have said it.

    22. Re:side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess the takeaway is that the Wall Street Journal is a fake news site.

      Well, it is owned by Rupert Murdoch, so...

    23. Re: side effects of truthiness by Whibla · · Score: 1

      As a beginning writer...

      Can you ask for your money back?

    24. Re:side effects of truthiness by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      It's maddening, and no amount of evidence will prove to them that "crooked Hillary" isn't, and that Trump isn't a saint.

      Hillary is status quo, which means crooked.

      Full Disclosure so nobody gets confused about my objectives in leaving this comment: I live in California and voted for Stein, because I care more about the environment that we all live in than about any other issue. But if the Green Party candidate had been a Trump equivalent, I probably would have voted for Clinton.

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    25. Re:side effects of truthiness by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Well, as they say, truth has a liberal bias,..

      Really, please, keep saying stuff just like that.

      Nothing is going to get through your cognitive dissonance in any case, so there's no point in bothering to try to sway you. The only useful approach is to attempt to galvanize liberals into voting.

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    26. Re:side effects of truthiness by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Well, as they say, truth has a liberal bias,

      It isn't that reality has a liberal bias, it's just that ultra-right wingers dont live in reality, so it just looks that way

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    27. Re: side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "85% of white people support segregation of the races."

      "They only asked 20 people and all of them were donning the hood at a KKK rally. A statement like that would require samples taken from multiple demogra-"

      "OH MY GOD DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT OF "IF IT APPLIES TO THESE 20 IT ALSO APPLIES TO THE 20,000" YOU IDIOT!!"

    28. Re:side effects of truthiness by Jodka · · Score: 1

      ...snotty liberal know-it-alls presuming to be our intellectual betters...

      Nothing is going to get through your cognitive dissonance...

      Well, there you go again.

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    29. Re:side effects of truthiness by doom · · Score: 1

      ...perennially oblivious to the midwestern distaste for snotty liberal know-it-alls presuming to be our intellectual betters ...

      Right, what we need to do is be more polite, just like conservatives. Perhaps we could get Limbaugh to teach a seminar.

      We could also get lessons in whining about how insulted we are, too.

      ...while demanding ever-more tax dollars...

      The blue states subsidize the red. And what's really expensive is tough guys standing tall and flexing armies.

      Win elections much?

      Yeah, like the last one. Popular vote. Too bad we don't do democracy so much these days.

      Gotta hand it to you guys on the gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics... when reality's bias isn't going your way, you know what to do about it.

    30. Re: side effects of truthiness by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I got it all back and more.

      Thanks.

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    31. Re:side effects of truthiness by doom · · Score: 1

      My complaint about google search results is that they stopped being useful sometime ago: I did a search on "election recount" a few days ago, and didn't find anything but fluffy news stories, most of which were out of date. A friend had to tell me about a post about it at the dailykos, and that piece had some links to the information I was looking for.

      Though now, when you search on that phrase you get a link to the guardian UK story that went up yesterday, and a new piece at vox: once the pack starts chasing it, *then* it shows up in google... if you don't want to wait for the pack, then you've got to know where to look, and you might as well skip google and try to go straight there.

    32. Re:side effects of truthiness by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Well, there you go again.

      Cry me a river while Trump is busy proving my point more eloquently than I ever could. Everyone he has appointed is a shining example of the kind of problem he said he would solve when he came to power. In the face of all the evidence to the contrary, why do you still think you are a useful judge of character?

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    33. Re: side effects of truthiness by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It is a well known fact reality is distorted."

      Does that include the statement "It is a well known fact reality is distorted."?
      If so, should we disregard it, as we are encouraged to disregard other statements, because they may or may not be distorted?

      Whose propaganda do I choose? Help me here.

  4. Re:Bias in [current year]? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Intelligence has a liberal bias.
    Google is a smart search engine built by smart people.

  5. Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    CanIRank.com found that 50 recent searches for political terms on Google surfaced more liberal-leaning webpages than conservative ones, as rated by a panel of four people.

    Four people rated the results? That sounds like pretty flimsy evidence. Why are their opinions some definitive source of truth?

    1. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to see those same 4 people rate both Bing and Yahoo and other search engines for bias.

      Besides, everybody knows that a Democrat who wasn't elected president years ago, invented the internet.

    2. Re:Huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "Why are their opinions some definitive source of truth?"

      The WSJ is now a Murdoch publication, and this "fact" reinforces the pre-conceived notions of the people who read Murdoch rags. Like most such sources, verifiable evidence is secondary to "truthiness".

    3. Re:Huh? by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      Thinking historically, they should do the same for some encyclopedias too. Solid information sources, throughout history, have
      1. Fact checked with reality
      2. Annoyed those in power without necessarily even realising it.
      3. Discounted the rose tinted view of history popular with those trying to return us to it.
      4. Been attacked, jailed and killed.
      5. Had their information banned and destroyed as it did not conform to the official view.

      When some group is attacked by the powerful for spreading the "wrong" information, we need to be aware that knowledge outweighs and outvalues ignorance.

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  6. No duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    That's is because liberal information tends to be science-based, while conservative information tends to be faith-based. eg "I believe this is true because people/jesus told me it is."

    That doesn't mean that all Liberal information is correct, nor does it mean conservative information is incorrect, it just means that the basis for forming that information tends to lean liberal because liberals put more value on science or fact-checking than conservatives do. You would never use breitbart or foxnews as a primary source because the information is at best misleading and at worse outright fabrication. Likewise Liberals would would not use CNN as a primary source either because the information tends to be hype-based. Liberals tend to have to look at CBC in Canada or BBC in the UK for a unbiased fact-checking, but may still need a truth filter because both CBC and BBC are government broadcasters. The US has no government broadcaster (NPR/PBS is about as close as you get as a neutral source.)

  7. This is why FAKE NEWS is so prevalent on Facebook by bit+trollent · · Score: 0, Troll

    Conservatives whine like crazy when their blatantly inaccurate claims aren't reported as "news". Then, by claiming some sort of bias against their fake news, they grant legitimacy to their phony claims. Your fake news isn't real news, republicans. I know that you are too stupid to know the difference, but the rest of us know that you are lying and spreading misinformation. Now, go on and keep whining until google has to pretend your FAKE NEWS is legitimate. Poison the well, assholes. Poison the well.

  8. So does reality. by Simulant · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    "It is a well known fact that reality has a liberal bias."

      - Stephen Colbert

    1. Re:So does reality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, was he referring to classic liberalism?

      Or modern, DNC statists that call themselves liberal, but run completely opposite of what the word means?

  9. Reality has a liberal bias... by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1, Troll

    And will continue to, regardless of recent election results.

    Global warming? Still happening,

    Evolution? That too.

    Your favorite invisible friend? Maybe not.

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    1. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by alvinrod · · Score: 2, Informative

      Funny that your last point is incorrect, demonstrating your own bias. We see the so-called invisible hand at work all the time, typically in black markets and people finding ways to end-around regulation. Supply exists to meet actual demand regardless of legality or whether its morally objectionable. Free markets tend to outperform state-controlled or centrally planned ones based on historical data. Note that this doesn't say anything about where the wealth ends up being concentrated.

      For every thing the conservatives tend to believe that has no empirical basis (e.g. climate change is a hoax, creationism, etc.) there are just as many "unscientific" views held by liberals (e.g. gun-control policies, vaccines causing autism (both sides have some adherents to this, but it tends to be most prevalent among liberals), etc.) that are essentially faith-based or run contrary to established science. Try having a conversation about genetic components of intelligence with a liberal and you'll quickly find them rejecting that science as racist just as fast as a conservative will tell you that the global warming science is just as biased.

      I've generally found that regardless of whatever a person believes they tend to overlook the cases that don't confirm their biases while focusing on those that do. I don't really blame them though as some scientists believe that these cognitive biases made our ancestors more fit from an evolutionary perspective. Perhaps humanity is slowly shifting away from this, but there isn't a lot of selective pressure against this trait. If anything it probably helps people find mates with a similar set of in-group biases as themselves while people who tend to be more objective just piss off everyone for some reason.

    2. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 2

      We see the so-called invisible hand at work all the time, typically in black markets and people finding ways to end-around regulation.

      First, and most meaninglessly, GP was making an anti-religion point. Second, and far more importantly, black markets and illegally avoiding regulation are not examples of the invisible hand in economics.

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    3. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hoooo hooo hooo budy. If you get to lump antivaxers in with liberals I get to lump flat-earthers and young earth creationists in with conservatives. It's safe to call stupid stupid without attaching a political outlook to it.

      I can't comment on gun control and science because there's a far-right institution called the NRA that actively sabotages credibly study and poisons the debate with nationalist rhetoric and identity politics. (And I have never met a stronger identity group than gun owners outside of true religious fantatisism)

      During the 8 years of the Obama administration pretty much gave up on any gun policy because it wasn't worth it - Not exactly what I'd call healthy debate.

    4. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >genetic components of intelligence

      Love, love, LOVE dropping this one in liberal earshot.

    5. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by quantaman · · Score: 1

      For every thing the conservatives tend to believe that has no empirical basis (e.g. climate change is a hoax, creationism, etc.)

      Views held and proudly proclaimed by most prominent Republican politicians.

      there are just as many "unscientific" views held by liberals (e.g. gun-control policies

      Hardly unscientific, there's great evidence that gun-control vastly reduces suicides, very weak evidence that state-based gun control reduces gun crime (it's very easy to for guns to cross state lines), and decent evidence that it reduces crime on a national level.

      It's also telling that it's the Republican's who essentially banned the NIH from studying gun control.

      vaccines causing autism (both sides have some adherents to this

      Like the President-elect?

      , but it tends to be most prevalent among liberals), etc.) that are essentially faith-based or run contrary to established science.

      True, the whole anti-GMO natural-health thing is an issue on the left, but a difference is the really sketchy stuff, especially the vaccines, doesn't make it out of the fringes.

      Try having a conversation about genetic components of intelligence with a liberal and you'll quickly find them rejecting that science as racist just as fast as a conservative will tell you that the global warming science is just as biased.

      By "genetic components of intelligence" I assume you mean as they relate to race?

      Some of that is practicality, racism has a really ugly history and if you could prove a 5% difference between races X and Y that would have some really ugly societal consequences.

      But the evidence is also a lot more tenuous than AGW. For one race is actually a really fuzzy category, and what we think of as divisions aren't that meaningful on a genetic level.

      The fact that "black" people seem to do a lot worse on IQ tests, when "black" consists of a ridiculously large set of populations, suggests that culture and societal expectations play a very large role that is hard to disentangle.

      I could similarly point out that Liberalism is positively correlated with IQ, since within any given group as you increase education people tend to become more liberal.

      That's true, but it doesn't mean that intelligence naturally makes you more liberal, rather secondary non-intelligence factors that positively correlate with IQ also correlate with liberalism.

      I've generally found that regardless of whatever a person believes they tend to overlook the cases that don't confirm their biases while focusing on those that do. I don't really blame them though as some scientists believe that these cognitive biases made our ancestors more fit from an evolutionary perspective. Perhaps humanity is slowly shifting away from this, but there isn't a lot of selective pressure against this trait. If anything it probably helps people find mates with a similar set of in-group biases as themselves while people who tend to be more objective just piss off everyone for some reason.

      Yeah, there's no strong evolutionary reason for us to be coldly rational about abstract facts that don't have a huge effect in our daily lives, but it doesn't mean we should give up.

      I think both sides have a moral obligation to point out falsehoods regardless of whether they're allies or not.

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    6. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      black markets and illegally avoiding regulation are not examples of the invisible hand in economics.

      Black markets can be, if they provide a good or service from which the public benefits. In that case, they fit the definition well since they are created by people acting in their own interests.

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    7. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The fact that "black" people seem to do a lot worse on IQ tests, when "black" consists of a ridiculously large set of populations, suggests that culture and societal expectations play a very large role that is hard to disentangle.

      They also seem to do no worse than the white population did in the 1930s (look up the Flynn Effect). I'm willing to bet there hasn't been any genetic improvement in the white population in the past century.

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    8. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      The invisible hand is that people acting in their own self interests push forth societies goals. Society has a goal of having laws. Beyond the general "laws should be followed", there is som reason that regulation was passed, and that would be for some societal goal. Those goals are undermined by the existence of a black market.

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    9. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      The invisible hand is that people acting in their own self interests push forth societies goals. Society has a goal of having laws.

      No. Laws are a means to an end, not an end in and of itself. We do not need the future to literally be Judge Dredd.

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    10. Re:Reality has a liberal bias... by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I meant to type "society has a goal of having laws followed". And that's true. And the laws are, as decided by whatever governing body, things in societies best interest. But I would say, even avoiding the benefits from following the laws based on the specific law, society cannot function if its laws are flouted. Hence, society has an interest in either enforcing or removing laws.

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  10. Colbert by jxander · · Score: 0

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

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  11. And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by drnb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As the summary indicates the bias varies with the topic. Having a conservative bias on gun control suggests the engine is getting things correct. In this case the conservative side is more fact based and less appealing to emotion and placebo "solutions". So yeah, maybe the search engine page ranking is working fine.

    1. Re:And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A "study"?!? It's FOUR fucking people.
      It's worthless.

    2. Re:And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CanIRank.
      Sounds more like CanIHasCheeseburger

    3. Re:And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Maybe, just maybe, the Internet has a bias.

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    4. Re:And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by Humbubba · · Score: 1
      Ah, remember when only the lefties didn't trust the news? Me neither. Now 60%+ of Americans think the news is manipulated.

      Is it a coincidence Google is being accused of bias about the same time Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit are accused of Fake News? All information portals repackage content, so yes, they manipulate - even CanIRank. But the planting of fake news, and CanIRank accusing Google of bias, shows that these very portals can be manipulated too, producing doubt, and damaging reputations with short term and long term repercussions.

    5. Re:And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Four cats would have done a better job, but they would have spelled the whole thing much worse...
      But either way it IS worthless.

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    6. Re:And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by dywolf · · Score: 1

      In this case the conservative side is more fact based and less appealing to emotion and placebo "solutions".

      that is itself a biased and not factually accurate statement.

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    7. Re: And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh...yeah, it is. Heavily gun controlled areas also tend to be higher crime areas. Also, almost every mass shooting occurs in places where guns are banned. These are facts. Sorry they don't fit your narrative.

    8. Re:And yet it leans conservative sometimes ... by drnb · · Score: 1

      In this case the conservative side is more fact based and less appealing to emotion and placebo "solutions".

      that is itself a biased and not factually accurate statement.

      "Assault weapon" and "high capacity magazine" bans are placebos, they make some feel better but do little to nothing to enhance safety. "Normal" semi-auto rifles and pistols are as deadly or more deadly. Low capacity magazines would not have been exhausted in most criminal attacks, plus they can be exchanged so quickly there really is no additional opportunity for flight or defense.

      Short of banning nearly all firearms, including many hunting and target shooting rifles "banners" claim they are not after, there will be no effective bans.

      Where "reformers" are correct are in areas of background checks, safety instruction and safe storage. Things that many firearms owners already support.

  12. Hillary Clinton ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 2

    ... can cite this damaging evidence, provided by four fucking people , to contest the election.

    Oh, wait.

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    1. Re:Hillary Clinton ... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Nobody at all likes Hillary. Some people voted for her because of Trump, though.

    2. Re:Hillary Clinton ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Tell these people that "Nobody at all likes Hillary."

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    3. Re:Hillary Clinton ... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Nobody at all likes Hillary. Some people voted for her because of Trump, though

      I have first-hand knowledge of this.

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    4. Re:Hillary Clinton ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... can cite this damaging evidence, provided by four fucking people

      They were fucking? Do you mean while giving their opinions? Is there video?

    5. Re:Hillary Clinton ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Nobody at all likes Hillary. Some people voted for her because of Trump, though.

      I do not like Hillary even a little bit, but you are way beyond wrong in thinking that nobody likes her. Loads of people do. Most of them are middle-aged white women, but we are not exactly short on those in this country. They are everywhere, and many of them even vote.

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    6. Re:Hillary Clinton ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, a link to some polls, which are things that have been shown to be utter bullshit.

    7. Re:Hillary Clinton ... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Nobody at all likes Hillary.

      Empirically false. I voted for her because I thought she'd be a good President, although she's a pretty bad candidate.

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    8. Re:Hillary Clinton ... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      More to the point, can I get in on the next such survey?

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  13. Need a better search engine by AHuxley · · Score: 0, Troll

    Given the party political support that taints brands in the USA.
    How about a search engine that just searches?
    No SJW algorithms, no SJW suggestions, no party political staff, just search results for a global community.
    Get back to literally search results and if reality is offensive or disparaging that is more to do with decades of policy, party and politics.
    A search engine is not a safe space. If the user wants a safe space online, let them configure settings for that on their own devices.

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    1. Re:Need a better search engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > SJW

      DRINK!

    2. Re:Need a better search engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      "How about a search engine that just searches?"

      It's obvious you've put a tremendous amount of time thinking about this.

      So, what does this mean? What does the search engine return, Mr. Wizard? Web sites that have the most occurrences of the search phrase in them? Search engines have to be written to do something. It's not magic. It seems that Google is trying to return results that are the most relevant. I would imagine that part of "relevant" would be factual, which means that it's not going to point to lots of sites run by people using the "SJW" acronym.

    3. Re:Need a better search engine by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Given the party political support that taints brands in the USA.
      How about a search engine that just searches?
      No SJW algorithms, no SJW suggestions, no party political staff, just search results for a global community.

      So, you would prefer a search engine that makes absolutely no value judgments? I bet if you really think about it, you'll figure out why that's a bad idea. And it has nothing at all to do with ideology.

      If you're having trouble, I bet someone here can help you.

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    4. Re:Need a better search engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A liberal every closet, an SJW under every bed. Controlling what you see and hear.

      Indeed, the world is controlled by a vast conspiracy of annoying narcissists on tumblr.

    5. Re:Need a better search engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's fine. what if all the articles and items it searches are all pushed one way or the other by their various SJWs? Even an unbiased algorithm will still more or less be GIGO at that point.

    6. Re:Need a better search engine by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "So, you would prefer a search engine that makes absolutely no value judgments?"
      Yes.
      How much SJW staff work is needed to set the tone for "offensive or disparaging" alterations?
      Just for a serving politician that has the same outlook as staff?
      Do search results have to protect a political dynasty over decades? Book results too? Free digital results from city and state newspapers from the 1970-90 get found or not so much?
      How far and deep does a top down policy of party political "offensive or disparaging" protection go?

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    7. Re: Need a better search engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'll tell you what I want. I want a Google research with exactly the following changes:

      Don't take geography into consideration.
      Don't take my prior search history into consideration.
      Ignore clicked-on result frequency in page ranking.
      The same query issued at the same time (i would say between crawls but Google doesn't batch anymore) for any two people in the world yield the same result.

    8. Re:Need a better search engine by GerryGilmore · · Score: 1

      Or....just a thought, you see... the phrasing of the query affects the results returned, in which case, it's working as designed. If, say, I searched for "Liberals are bed-wetting pussies" I doubt I'd get results pointing me towards DailyKos, HuffPost, etc.

    9. Re:Need a better search engine by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      No, you really don't. You just can't think outside the "SJW''s want to kill my mama" cage you've built for yourself.

      If search engines didn't make value judgements of some kind, you would search for, "Is the Earth flat" and be likely to get an answer that would be wrong. You might search for, "What do I do if I have seriously swollen testicles" and get sent to a faith healer or homeopath and then die horribly of something that could have been cured with penicillin.

      In those cases, you might as well not have a search engine at all and just ask your dog for the answer.

      People have spent a lot of time figuring out how to look for information. There is no "liberal bias" to Google, despite what Alex Jones and some dipshit at Breitbart tell you. And if you think a "study" with four people who work for Rupert Murdoch deciding whether something is biased or not is indication of anything, then you shouldn't be messing with search engines, computers or any technology more advanced than a soft rubber ball.

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    10. Re:Need a better search engine by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re 'People have spent a lot of time figuring out how to look for information."
      The news on the "offensive or disparaging" results is rather easy to find :)

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    11. Re:Need a better search engine by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      That's what Google does. When the search engine classifies based on use, and the world is liberal-biased, then the results will be liberal-biased.

      The one thing that they didn't correct for is searching for things that have liberal and conservative biases. Search for "SJW BLM" and tell me if the results are liberal or conservative. The look I did showed very conservative results. Try again with "crooked hillary" and tell me the results. If conservatives use a different language in doing searches, then the results they see will match what they are looking for. If Liberals use more neutral-sounding searches, then neutral-sounding searches will be more liberal.

      The study (only 4-people, lack of variety in search terms) is obviously limited.

    12. Re:Need a better search engine by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      The true irony is that Hux sig is from Redgum, a far left Australian band, led by a well known left wing activist, John Schumann exactly the sort of person an ignorant RWNJ like him would call an SJW. Ive met John several times, im sure he would find the irony hillarious. Then again, nobody ever accused the right of being smart.

    13. Re:Need a better search engine by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      If search engines didn't make value judgements of some kind, you would search for, "Is the Earth flat" and be likely to get an answer that would be wrong

      Actually you'd be more likely to get a porn site that had just dumped every phrase they could find into a obscured element on the page. In fact come to think of it that's exactly what it was like in the late 90s. You might think it would be good getting porn relevant to the flat earth debate, but sadly it was just generic aggregators.

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    14. Re: Need a better search engine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then use duckduckgo.com.

      I switched from Google a year or so ago. Perfectly good search results in most cases and you can customise region, or have results from all regions.

      Not as good for shopping and product reviews in my opinion, I still use Google for that, duckduckgo for everything else.

  14. LOL Slashbart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that's what we're down to? Baiting the low UID wingnuts that linger here for clicks?

    Man this place has gone downhill.

  15. Do Google Search Results also have. . . by Idou · · Score: 4, Insightful

    a fact bias? Because that could explain things. . .






    Note: Moderators that modded this down had a small penis bias.

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  16. Typo in summary by BenBoy · · Score: 1

    According to a new study reported by The Wall Street Journal ...

    You probably meant to type "According to a new study reported by a fox-media-pwned newspaper ..."

  17. Goes conservative on gun control by drnb · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The summary in fact offers an example where conservative websites are emphasized and it happens to be on a topic where the conservatives usually have the facts on their side. Gun control. Like it or not the facts from an engineering and historical point of view favor the conservatives. The liberal side of the argument seems mostly emotion and embracing placebo "solutions".

    1. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 1

      The summary in fact offers an example where conservative websites are emphasized and it happens to be on a topic where the conservatives usually have the facts on their side. Gun control. Like it or not the facts from an engineering and historical point of view favor the conservatives. The liberal side of the argument seems mostly emotion and embracing placebo "solutions".

      Agreed, but that also describes the liberal view of minimum wage (at least when the liberals aren't the ones writing the paychecks).

    2. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is an asinine argument because us normal people are trying to protect children from those damn things. We're not the emotional ones. They're emotional and irrational since they love their guns more than their children.

    3. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The summary in fact offers an example where conservative websites are emphasized and it happens to be on a topic where the conservatives usually have the facts on their side. Gun control.

      Most conservative "facts" when it comes to gun control are still based on the long-ago debunked statistical model of John Lott Jr. If the claims of conservative websites were true, countries like Japan wouldn't have a murder rate per capita that is less than 1/10th of the US nor would countries like Somalia with no gun control would have one that is nearly double that of the US.

    4. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by drnb · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Which is an asinine argument because us normal people are trying to protect children from those damn things.

      One of the few things the liberals get correct is that one should not leave them laying around loaded. They should be stored safely under lock and key. Once locked up the children are safe.

      We're not the emotional ones. They're emotional and irrational since they love their guns more than their children.

      Thank you for proving my point about liberals being delusional and emotional on this topic.

    5. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by drnb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The summary in fact offers an example where conservative websites are emphasized and it happens to be on a topic where the conservatives usually have the facts on their side. Gun control.

      Most conservative "facts" when it comes to gun control are still based on the long-ago debunked statistical model of John Lott Jr. If the claims of conservative websites were true, countries like Japan wouldn't have a murder rate per capita that is less than 1/10th of the US nor would countries like Somalia with no gun control would have one that is nearly double that of the US.

      Except for the fact that gun violence is more about a poor educational system and few to low quality job opportunities, and not so much about civilian access to firearms. Switzerland has a vibrant sport shooting community but they also have a good educational system, a good social safety net, etc. Plus firearms owners have had safety training and practice safe storage. What is going right in Japan and going wrong in Somalia has little to do with gun violence. Gun violence is a symptom of other problems. But to acknowledge this with respect to US gun violence would mean accepting decades of mistaken US policy and liberal politicians would rather not do that.

    6. Re: Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly. You are illogical if u want anyone to have a gun.

    7. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      One of the few things the liberals get correct is that one should not leave them laying around loaded. They should be stored safely under lock and key.

      What good is having my gun stored under lock and key when the race war starts or a bear climbs through the window?

      I keep mine stuffed in the waistband of my pants like God intended. And let me tell you, there are challenges to carrying an AR-15 in the waistband of these old sweatpants. On the plus side, the fact that no bears have climbed through my window is proof that my gun is protecting my family.

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    8. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Google results are skewed by bloggers linking to articles they agree with. Libs have been using that for years to bias Google Search and Google News.

      Google could fix it if they wanted, but their CEO is a Clinton staffer so that won't happen

    9. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by reg · · Score: 1

      One of the few things the liberals get correct is that one should not leave them laying around loaded. They should be stored safely under lock and key. Once locked up the children are safe.

      Sorry, I'm a little unclear here. Is that the guns or the children that should be locked up to keep them safe?

    10. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? I thought there were more conservative nut jobs on the web than liberal nut jobs.

      Highest link count wins! (Well, not since the early days of PageRank - now lots of variables are used and it's harder to "game" the system.)

    11. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The number of children that die due to firearm accidents is statistically insignificant. "BUT THINK OF THE CHILDREN" is the emotional and irrational side of this argument.

      The rational side realizes that spending large amounts of time, effort, and money to pass laws that will have no affect on child death rates is not worth it. Not only is it not worth it, laws that turn innocent people into criminals for no reason whatsoever, or WORSE, bringing charges against grieving parents, is a phenomenally bad idea.

      And yet here you are, with your emotional and irrational argument, and nothing to show for it except some caricature of gun owners that obviously came from political cartoon propaganda.

      People that fight for gun rights fight for freedom, and fight against unnecessary government intrusion into the lives of citizens. People that favor gun control ignore statistics, ignore current gun law, and ignore reality. Nearly all pro-gun control arguments are based in emotion and irrational thinking.

    12. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, did you just blame liberal politicians for our poor social safety nets?

    13. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, did you just blame liberal politicians for our poor social safety nets?

      Actually I blamed them for failing to recognize our failures and to try to scapegoat something else. But since you bring it up, yes, they share the blame. Their plans did not deliver anywhere near as promised, the unintended consequences undermined their efforts, they seem to only judge their plans by good intentions and not results. Their plans tend to be too grandiose, one size-fits-all that ignores the local nature of some problems. Want an example, look at homelessness in Utah. The conservative folks in Utah figured out that its cheaper to pay a homeless person's rent in an otherwise vacant apartment than to implement the more typical government programs. Want another example, look at education. We spend more per student than any other country and get quite mediocre results. Money does not make it to the classroom as in other countries. It gets lost in our bloated educational bureaucracy. Don't excuse poor results because of good intentions.

    14. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Liberals have done nothing to help reduce poverty. Of course, neither have conservatives.

    15. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as an "accident" involving a gun. Only negligence.

      You protect kids from guns with education, education, education, and education on the dangers of guns and how to handle them safely. If you take the bullets out of a gun, clear the chamber, and ask a kid if it's loaded, his response should be "Guns are ALWAYS loaded".

    16. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by dywolf · · Score: 1

      conservatives in Utah opposed the homeless plan.
      and it wasn't statewide.
      it was Salt Lake City, a city that is far more liberal than the rest of the state.

      as for schools: bureaucracy isn't too blame, though it makes a convenient scapegoat.

      and no we do not in fact spend more per student than any other country.
      our average spending says that we do.

      but average isn't the same as reality, and doesn't reflect how we actually fund our schools in this nation.

      those averages are distorted by the way we fund education, which is primarily through local property and sales taxes, with very little redistribution of that money.
      live in a poor district? your schools will be poor.
      live in a rich one? guess what.

      PBS/NPR actually did a deep dive into this problem a few months ago.

      for example: Edmond OK is seen as "the rich suburb" of OKC. reality is though, that it's a working class suburb same as the rest. the rich folks actually live outside the Edmond public school district, and so pay their taxes into separate districts. the EPS district spends as a result on 6k per student per year. the state average is 9k. the nationwide average is 11k. meanwhile, the districts the rich folks actually do live in, just outside the EPS district, are smaller, low population, and have high revenue from the property taxes, which causes them to send 15-20k per student per year, for a population of students lass than 1/10th the size of the EPS district. Nichols Hills downtown, a separate rich person city within Oklahoma City, sees similar results.

      This is also seen in Chicago, were poverty stricken districts go as low as 4k per student, but a special district containing a single school, that's within a technology park (so bunch of high tech, high profit firms), gets over 22k per student as a result.

      the fix to this is redistribution of the primary funding source, property taxes. North Carolina is actually a poster child for this and the dramatic improvement it can have on schools. most states have a certain amount of the state budget that goes to schools, yes, but that's different from actually collecting all the property taxes into one pot, and then divvying it out equitably, which is what NC and some other states have begun doing to much success.

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    17. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by dywolf · · Score: 1

      you mean other than food stamps, welfare, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the numerous tax credits.

      https://www.theguardian.com/mo...

      Be gone, ignorant one.

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      The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
    18. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Gun violence is about a lot of things. One of the big things is having people walking around legally carrying guns all the time. Unlike the US, Switzerland doesn't allow the average citizen to go about their day with guns on their person.

      To carry a loaded firearm in public or outdoors, ... a person must have a gun carrying permit, which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security. Source

      Like every country, the US has issues which contributes to violence, etc. To assert that US gun culture is not a significant factor in gun-related violence seems rather ignorant.

    19. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The summary in fact offers an example where conservative websites are emphasized and it happens to be on a topic where the conservatives usually have the facts on their side. Gun control. Like it or not the facts from an engineering and historical point of view favor the conservatives. The liberal side of the argument seems mostly emotion and embracing placebo "solutions".

      The thing is, even most conservatives (outside of the US) think gun control is a good idea. It really isn't a left/right or liberal/conservative issue in most of the world.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    20. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      One of the few things the liberals get correct is that one should not leave them laying around loaded. They should be stored safely under lock and key. Once locked up the children are safe.

      That then demolishes the argument that they are required for self protection against burglars.

      Most crack-addled home-invading immigrant terrorist rapists aren't going to hang around while you unlock your gun cabinet.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    21. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Liberals have done nothing to help reduce poverty.

      I'd rather be poor now than a hundred years ago, and no it's not just because capitalism has magically made everyone rich.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    22. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I've never managed to figure out what the facts on gun control really are. I do know there are an unusually large number of idiots on both sides of the debate, such as "ban scary-looking guns" or "we can overthrow the government".

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    23. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by doom · · Score: 1

      And taking it from the other side, the economy has historically done better when Democrats are in office, and the red states that keep indulging in conservative doctrine are perennially in the toilet.

      If you wave your arms hard enough you can try to prove there's no meaning in that correlation, but it's pretty clear that the idea that conservatives are good for business has no evidence behind it.

      Really, they're not good for much of anything, and haven't been for many decades.

    24. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by drnb · · Score: 1

      To be honest, I've never managed to figure out what the facts on gun control really are. I do know there are an unusually large number of idiots on both sides of the debate, such as "ban scary-looking guns" or "we can overthrow the government".

      In short there is denial that nearly all problems can be solved by keeping firearms and ammunition locked up, and by having owners receive even modest safety training for when the preceding are not locked up. Plus of course some screening of owners for mental deficiency and criminal behavior.

      When delving into the common placebo solutions involving "assault weapons" and "high capacity magazine" bans. The proponents are ignorant of the cosmetic and ineffective nature of such bans.

    25. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by drnb · · Score: 1

      One of the few things the liberals get correct is that one should not leave them laying around loaded. They should be stored safely under lock and key. Once locked up the children are safe.

      That then demolishes the argument that they are required for self protection against burglars.

      No, there are lock boxes that can be open rather quickly and in the dark.

    26. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gun violence is about a lot of things. One of the big things is having people walking around legally carrying guns all the time. Unlike the US, Switzerland doesn't allow the average citizen to go about their day with guns on their person.

      Such incidents in the US are statistical anomalies. Concealable weapons generally do require a permit. Open carry is very rare and is usually a political stunt for the assembled cameras.

      Like every country, the US has issues which contributes to violence, etc. To assert that US gun culture is not a significant factor in gun-related violence seems rather ignorant.

      Did "more about a poor educational system and few to low quality job opportunities, and not so much about civilian access to firearms" confuse you?

    27. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      On the plus side, the fact that no bears have climbed through my window is proof that my gun is protecting my family.

      That's because you have the right to bear arms, and the bears don't want to be dismembered.

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    28. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by drnb · · Score: 1

      you mean other than food stamps, welfare, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the numerous tax credits.

      Since the implementation of the "war on poverty" the poverty rate has remained constant at about 12-15%. There has been effectively no change for nearly 50 years.

    29. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      One of the few things the liberals get correct is that one should not leave them laying around loaded. They should be stored safely under lock and key. Once locked up the children are safe.

      Sorry, I'm a little unclear here. Is that the guns or the children that should be locked up to keep them safe?

      Yes.

    30. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by drnb · · Score: 1

      Equitable distribution doesn't really address administrative overhead and what makes it to the classroom. That a very well funded school can get sufficient resources to the classroom does not address how efficiently its overall monies were spent.

    31. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by doom · · Score: 1

      Open carry is very rare and is usually a political stunt for the assembled cameras.

      And if black people try to do it, suddenly laws are passed against open carry. (See Oakland and the Black Panthers.)

    32. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by doom · · Score: 1

      Google results are skewed by bloggers linking to articles they agree with. Libs have been using that for years to bias Google Search and Google News.
      Google could fix it if they wanted, but their CEO is a Clinton staffer so that won't happen

      Thankfully Fox has just released their new search engine[1], so you have a "fair and balanced" bubble you can crawl into.
      [1] That's a joke. I hope.

    33. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by VisceralLogic · · Score: 1

      you mean other than food stamps, welfare, social security, Medicare, Medicaid, and the numerous tax credits.

      https://www.theguardian.com/mo...

      Be gone, ignorant one.

      If those programs actually eliminated poverty, then they could be greatly reduced. While they help keep people maintain themselves, they don't address a lot of the underlying conditions, so poverty is not truly reduced.

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      Stop! Dremel time!
    34. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Responsible and law-abiding gun owners do not in general cause problems. That's what I'm sure of. It is possible to legally get a gun and be irresponsible with it. It's possible to legally get a gun and have it stolen, and by definition it's not in the hands of a law-abiding individual. Criminals owning guns are definitely a problem.

      Also, there's something to be said for a ban on large magazines (I'm not saying it'd be a good thing, just that there's arguments for it). The Giffords shooter was rushed when he was reloading.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    35. Re:Goes conservative on gun control by lars_stefan_axelsson · · Score: 1

      Like every country, the US has issues which contributes to violence, etc. To assert that US gun culture is not a significant factor in gun-related violence seems rather ignorant.

      Not if you actually study the statistics. Legally owned guns aren't used in crime either in the US (with liberal gun laws) nor Sweden (with very strict gun laws), but if I, for example, correlate the number of firearms related deaths with the number of known (criminal) gang members, I easily get very close.

      We're in a recent spat of shootings here in Sweden at the moment, and like the US it's all perpetrated by criminal gang members (the rest are an anomaly). It's just that we have fewer gang members...

      So the deciding factor is how easy it is for criminals to acquire guns. (Far too easy with the EU's open borders is the answer in Sweden at the moment.)

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      Stefan Axelsson
  18. Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have read a lot of lines about 'the truth has a liberal bias', or 'liberal information tends to be science based', and I have to shake my head.

    Try googling for any information on how to 'combat the rise of gender-fluidity', or 'how to explain physiology is a binary gender system', or 'how to explain gender fluidity is a social construct' and you get Nothing, Zip, Nada, that isn't in support of this brand of mental disorder.

    Science based? Truth? Not even close. Everywhere you see sex that's outside a human social construct there's a male and female. Only humans social structure describes non-existent genders in liberal circles.

    Not a troll, or flamebait, but I have asbestos underwear on, and I can already feel the flames from the mod-activism firing up.

    Fact is, The science and truth hurt the liberal cause acutely no matter how much spin they try and put on it.

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    1. Re:Just try to find by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      Clownfish, wrasses, moray eels, gobies and other fish species are known to change sex, including reproductive functions. Now, what were you saying about gender fluidity only existing in humans?

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      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.
    2. Re:Just try to find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what, you're right! When I search for "the Earth is flat" or "spontaneous generation is real" I get a lot of links trying to tell me the opposite too!

      How dare they try to push their liberal "round Earth" crap down my throat.

    3. Re:Just try to find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everywhere you see sex that's outside a human social construct there's a male and female. Only humans social structure describes non-existent genders in liberal circles.

      And that's why we see male-on-male action in the natural kingdom.

    4. Re:Just try to find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shhhhh. You're not supposed to use real facts, just those faith based facts.

    5. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 2

      Those examples can change naturally without surgery.

      How many Humans have you met that can physically and completely change at will? Including having the ability to produce offspring? Hell there's not one Human that can reproduce even WITH the surgery.

      I should have added; 'Fantasy is a Human characteristic.'

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    6. Re:Just try to find by Verdatum · · Score: 1
      Worker ants have zero chance of passing on genetic information; they are effectively genderless. They serve a critical purpose in an ant colony as a whole. They are not suffering from a mental disorder, and they are perfectly explainable via evolution when you just take the time to consider the evolution of species as a whole.

      It is extremely difficult to show that there is any rise in gender-fluidity, as it can't be distinguished from a rise in being comfortable identifying as a non-binary gender.

      Science is not afraid to say "we don't know yet" and absolutely, we've got tons more to learn about the nature of gender. However, we don't define it as a mental disorder in itself, because it is not distressing in itself. The mental disorder is "Gender Dysphoric Disorder" or "Gender Identity Disorder". which relates to the distress of gender identity not matching phenotype. There is and has been plenty of research related to try to solve this, and not merely through sexual reassignment.

    7. Re:Just try to find by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      How many Humans have you met that can physically and completely change at will?

      What is your definition of "will" that makes you think animals change gender "at will"?

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    8. Re:Just try to find by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Amazingly all of those come from university degrees that have the word "studies" in it.

      Some advice for anyone about to go to university: Do not borrow any money for any course with the word "studies" in it, because there will not be any payoff at the end of that road.

      --
      "His name was James Damore."
    9. Re:Just try to find by harperska · · Score: 1

      Careful, your bias is showing.

      You talk about science based information, yet your example queries are textbook pseudoscience. You aren't looking for answers or explanations with those search terms. You are looking for confirmation of what you already believe to be true. If you had instead searched for neutral non biased search terms, you may have come across resources that actually explain transgender and gender fluidity beyond your preconceived notions of them.

    10. Re:Just try to find by Capsaicin · · Score: 3, Informative

      Firstly, you are WAY too obsessed with trannies. Your revulsion, lust, or repressed urge to be one is clouding your mind when it comes to understanding what is even being discussed in those links.

      Everywhere you see sex that's outside a human social construct there's a male and female. Only humans social structure describes non-existent genders ...

      As I've explained to you more than once I believe (will this be the time the penny finally drops?), the very purpose of the concept of 'gender' used in contradistinction to 'sex' is to distinguish biology from narrative.

      'Sex' is a biological fact, and it falls into the classification of male, female, or occasionally intersex. 'Gender' on the other hand is a social construct by definition, usually described by the adjectives masculine, feminine and, given there is hardly any limit to our ability to craft narrative, all this contemporary gender fluid stuff (though even in traditional societies the idea of a 3rd gender for feminine (gender) males (biological sex)).

      Gender used in this sense refers to that which is not biologically determined, but instead reflects the cultural ideas of how people of a given biological sex ought to behave. Eg. Bearing children is a function of female physiology, skirt wearing is not. A clue that skirt wearing behaviour is a matter of gender, and child-bearing is not, is to be found, as we have discussed, in the fact that in certain cultures skirts are items of masculine (gender) attire. This illustrates that the idea in our culture (with apologies to all you Scots out there) that skirts are for females (biological sex) and pants for males (biological sex) is a social construct. Thus a skirt (in our culture) is a feminine (gender) garment, not a female (biological sex) one.

      It will thrill you, no doubt, to learn, that the most extreme (and thus easily ridiculed) branch of feminism, ie. RadFem (cf TERF), shares your disgust not only of gender (which they understand to exist, but wish to eliminate, see 'Gender critical' or GC) but also of male-to-female transsexuals, referring to them as male-to-transsexuals (or MTTs), that is when they are not too busy calling for fun stuff like the restriction of males (biological sex) to being 10% of the human population and the like ... Horseshoe effect?

      What this does indicate though is that the very concept of gender (in contradistinction to sex) can be deployed to undermine the notion of gender-fluidity (i.e. as traditional gender roles break down what does this even mean anymore?) It is for this reason that the trans-gender lobby is seeking to infect the notion of gender with physiology by relying on the, imho rather dubious, concept of "brain-sex" as an explanation of why their gendered (feminine/masculine) self-image is at odds with their biological sex (male/female). Which amounts in effect to arguing that skirt-wearing behaviour is a function of physiology. That mainstream feminism (as opposed to RadFem) is so happy to accommodate the claim of trans-gendered males (biological sex) to being 'women' (biological sex or gender???) seems self-defeating to me. Were they not trying to escape the idea of sex as destiny (i.e. physiological femininity) But as a traditionally masculine (gender) male (biological sex) all I can say it's your movement girls.

      And I'm WAY too obsessed with someone being obviously wrong on the internet.

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    11. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      What is your definition of "will" that makes you think animals change gender "at will"?

      Fair enough, allow me to rephrase;

      How many Humans have you met that can, or have, spontaneously changed their physiological gender to best suit the needs of the environment?

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    12. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Careful, your spin is showing.

      I referenced the science of the binary system of male and female in regards to Google searches that would help debunk the pseudoscience of transgender and gender-fluidity mental disorders and mutations.

      This has been an issue going back millennia. I believe in everyone's right to whatever they want. It becomes an issue when the extreme minority of androgen receptor mutations or congenital adrenal hyperplasia afflicted humans demand that everyone start accepting people to choose the fashionable gender of the day like changing a shirt, and expect the majority of the world to bow and scrape to their demands.

      Fuck that.

      And get off my fucking lawn while you're at it. :)

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    13. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Oh God an amateur shrink.

      I bet you found your psychology book at Good Will.

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    14. Re:Just try to find by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      You bet wrong, I read three years of psych for one of my degrees (is that not what you would call a 'major' over there?)... damn waste of time too. I thought between revulsion, lust and longing I'd just about exhausted the possibilities for this obsession, thus avoiding making anything resembling a definitive diagnosis, but I missed one? So tell me why is transsexualism so important to you?

      More pertinently, can I take your silence on the substantial matter to mean that you do now grok the sex/gender distinction? Great!

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    15. Re:Just try to find by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      How many Humans have you met that can, or have, spontaneously changed their physiological gender to best suit the needs of the environment?

      Humans also don't "spontaneously" do Math, or hit three pointers or lose weight. Or become Republicans. But that doesn't mean those things are somehow unnatural and shouldn't be allowed. People don't "spontaneously" regrow limbs, but we've figured out prostheses.

      There have been people changing gender for thousands of years, including Roman emperors and Egyptian pharaohs. It's part of the human condition. Like blue eyes or black skin. Does it freak you out when people wear tinted contact lenses and change their eye color?

      Nobody's going to make you gay or transgender or expect you to marry someone gay or transgender. If people are gay or transgender, it's none of your business. You've been living among transgender people your whole life without knowing it. Don't get hysterical now. They're just people.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    16. Re:Just try to find by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      He is obviously in denial about his wish to change sex, " I think he protesth too much" as Shakespeare wrote.

    17. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Read this,

      https://www.amazon.com/Venus-D...

      Then this,

      https://www.amazon.com/Venus-S...

      Then tell me what you think.

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    18. Re:Just try to find by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      "The lady doth protest too much methinks"

      Queen Gertrude to Hamlet in lovely (and recursive) example of dramatic irony, but yes, appropriate here too.

      As it happens, his protestations notwithstanding, Hylandr's psychology is a but distant concern to me. Instead I marvel at the unintentional irony with which he portrayed his (willful) ignorance when trying to demonstrate that "science and truth hurt the liberal cause," an irony compounded by his signature as to the question of how science hurts what passes for "conservatism" these days. Edmund Burke must be rolling in his grave!

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    19. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Sentence by sentence:

      Assertion of inaccuracy. Assertion or accusation is not evidence. Discarded.
      Position of Authority conversation. Discarded.
      "damn waste of time too". Insincere attempt as insincere comradery. Discarded.
      Listing the broadest possible 'diagnosis' to maximize the percentage of accuracy by chance. Gambling 101. Discarded.
      "So tell me why is transsexualism so important to you?" Leading question. Bait. Discarded.
      Self declared standard for victory allowing the speaker an easy opportunity for later gloating and/or other mental masturbation.

      Assessment of the encounter:
      Attempting to assert control on the conversation. Failed. Amateur.

      The Glory and Terror of the Internet today is all 'credentials' mean absolutely shit. Deal.

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    20. Re:Just try to find by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Very weak Hylandr. You "bet [I] found [my] psychology book at Good Will," I just happen to have, inter alia, a psychology degree. The odds were against it but you lost that bet, it happens.

      But the pertinent question remains, do you now understand the the sex/gender distinction?

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    21. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      The harder you try, the less legitimacy you have.

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    22. Re:Just try to find by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Legitimacy? ... I'm sorry, you do or you do not understand the sex/gender distinction?

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    23. Re:Just try to find by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      So much for his sig :o

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    24. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Lol Toodles!! * Wiggles Fingers *

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    25. Re:Just try to find by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Upon a presumption in your favour, I'll take that as "I do, but I don't want to admit it."

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    26. Re:Just try to find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to summarize:

      "You used facts. I hate those. Discarded. I win! Nanny-nanny-nanny thpppppppt!!!!" *fingers in ears*

    27. Re:Just try to find by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Welp... That's not the most gracious admission of defeat, but it's better than nothing!

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    28. Re:Just try to find by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Translation "wah wah wah I try to confirm my beliefs and the internet Won't give me the answers I want. It's so biased wah wah wah".

      Actually I agree with some of the things you say, or accept some points have merit at least, but crikey you're sounding like a right prat.

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      SJW n. One who posts facts.
    29. Re:Just try to find by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      I've read Pamela Sargent. Just so you know, it's science fiction.

      I'm honestly not trying to mock your anxiety, Hylandr, because it must be awful to think that there is a conspiracy to try to force you to be gay or transgender, but when you have a break with reality of this magnitude, you need to talk to someone.

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    30. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Curious that your would leap to such conclusions when I referenced books to express a concept that I have trouble enunciating on my own.

      I was aiming for your thoughts on the subject, not an amateur psychiatric evaluation of myself. Perhaps I should have been more clear. I will accept blame for that one.

      The concept is potentially real, as people in the majority will indeed exert their will as they see fit. Even if it means grabbing life by the pussy.

      It must be awful to think there is a conspiracy of the new presidency to destroy human rights gains of the last 50 years because a bullish billionaire businessman won the election. When liberals break with reality of this magnitude ...

      You get my drift?

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    31. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      I agree I could have used a lot more words to soften the tone but some of these people have short attention spans so I kept it brief. :)

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    32. Re:Just try to find by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Try googling for any information on how to 'combat the rise of gender-fluidity'

      It's just possible that not many people have posted stuff on the internet about this because they don't see the need to start a war over an issue that directly affects very few people.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    33. Re:Just try to find by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Let's take an example, who for the sake of anonymity we'll call Barbara Hudson. How does her history, physiology, medical history, or anything like that hurt you? You have a right to your own opinion, but not to force it on her. You're talking like you're personally offended by what an individual chooses to do with herself.

      You're also trivializing this. I've had surgery done in some pretty sensitive areas (I could give more details for those who think they'd actually be happier knowing them), and I've modified my brain chemistry artificially. I've also changed shirts (and even laundered them). There's a difference.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    34. Re:Just try to find by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Okay, why the hell do you care this much about stopping other people from trying to find solutions to their problems? And what the hell is this "trans-gender lobby"? Can I get a job with them? The transsexuals I know seem to be interested in just fitting into society the best way they can and not causing problems related to their gender.

      You're also mixing up gender and sex. Skirt-wearing behavior is not physiological. Skirt-wearing behavior in a society where only women wear skirts is more complicated..

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    35. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      When entire communities are forced to endure perverts using any excuse they can to go into the restroom of the opposing gender when there are 'family restrooms' available for decades is not the definition of 'affects very few people'.

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    36. Re:Just try to find by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Good for you. If you're happy I am happy.

      What I was referring to in my post was defining a search for opposing the rising minority power over the majority in regards to a very small segment of the Human condition.

      As one example:
      Creating an environment for abuse by perverts trying to get carpet permission to enter restrooms of the opposing gender for their own gratification.

      Also, how to keep kids from exposure to age-inappropriate concepts, leading to premature or inappropriate life choices.

      Etc.

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      ~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
    37. Re:Just try to find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh please. This is just partisan sniping.

      Liberals tend to be batshit crazy over:

      Nuclear energy, environment (sometimes, I mean the efforts to save single doomed species for instance), Genetically Modified Organisms, civil rights as they apply to the worst of humanity, taxes (To The Moon Alice!), etc.

      Conservatives tend to be batshit crazy over:

      Religion, guns, state and individual rights (a frequent hiding place for racism), the military (sometimes, I mean the tendency to over-build and fall in love with the most advanced weapons systems), social morality, taxes (we want an Ayn Rand paradise!), etc.;

      Frankly, one side continually flaming the other side over the same issues is tiresome. Especially when the partisan sniping is so blind to the flaws of their own side. "We have always been at war with Oceania!" and all that.

    38. Re:Just try to find by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      You're also mixing up gender and sex. Skirt-wearing behavior is not physiological. Skirt-wearing behavior in a society where only women wear skirts is more complicated..

      Read more carefully, read WAY more carefully. Beginning with "Bearing children is a function of female physiology, skirt wearing is not . Or start even earlier from "'Sex' is a biological fact, and it falls into the classification of male, female, or occasionally intersex. 'Gender' on the other hand is a social construct by definition ..."

      Okay, why the hell do you care this much about stopping other people from trying to find solutions to their problems?

      That is not reasonably to be inferred from anything I have written here. Please address what I have written --and it would help actually to read it first --rather than what you imagine I may have written. The problem I'm addressing here is an unwillingness to admit the distinction between 'sex' and 'gender.' In fact if you didn't get that re-read from the beginning of OP's comment. That frames the context of this comment. And yes, this is a highly simplified explanation of gender ... baby steps.

      And what the hell is this "trans-gender lobby"? Can I get a job with them?

      Wikipedia is a good place to start. As to job prospects, that question would properly be addressed to the organisation in question.

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    39. Re:Just try to find by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the science doesn't support the idea of binary male and female! Male is XX, female is XY. Well, there's also XXY and X. People with those genetic configurations display characteristics of both male and female, and demonstrate without a doubt that the binary view of sex is flat out wrong. And that's without getting into the fact that homosexual behavior has in fact been observed in the wild in species other than humans. harperska is exactly right - you're not looking for illumination, you're looking for confirmation. And when you don't find it, you assume that it's being hidden from you rather than that it doesn't exist.

    40. Re:Just try to find by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The restroom issue is a sideshow. There is no blanket permission for men to go into the ladies' room. What I'm looking at is a situation where someone who looks, acts, and dresses like a man/woman is legally forced to go into the ladies'/men's room. How would you feel if you were at a urinal, and someone who appeared female walked in and entered a stall? If a female friend of yours was coming out of a stall in the ladies' room and saw what looked to be a man coming in? I'm against laws that require that. If everybody just does the natural thing, it will work out just fine.

      I'm not sure what age-inappropriate concepts you're talking about that affect life choices. Non-standard genders are not normally a choice. If a boy (biological, body) fells like he's really a girl (possibly biological, mind), then knowing that some people are transexual can help. If a boy feels like he's really a boy, how is knowing that going to cause him to make a bad life choice? I've never been tempted to go into hormone therapy and learning how to be a woman.

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    41. Re:Just try to find by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      Gee,to this observer with no stake in the conversation it looks rather more like Capsaicin pretty much owned your ass.

      So to keep with your preferred format...

      Hylandr: Losr. Recorded.

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  19. Finally some truth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both Google and Facefuck do this crap.

  20. I've got news for you... by Locke2005 · · Score: 0

    Reality has a liberal bias. The google search results merely reflect reality.

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    1. Re:I've got news for you... by Nostalgia4Infinity · · Score: 1

      Is that what liberals tell themselves to keep their minds off of their irrelevancy?

    2. Re:I've got news for you... by PapayaSF · · Score: 1

      I've got news for you... (Score:2)
      Reality has a liberal bias. The google search results merely reflect reality.
      --
      I've abandoned my search for truth; now I'm just looking for some useful delusions.

      Now that's comedy!

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    3. Re:I've got news for you... by jgfenix · · Score: 1

      Reality has a liberal bias ...... Because many people are afraid of being labeled as sexist, racist, intolerant, etc if they don't follow "the Truth". And so we have that Cancer that is political correctness and true intolerance.

  21. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It means that more liberals use the Internet to look up political information than conservatives. The ranking algorithms are ultimately driven by how the crowds are using the Internet, after all.

    Liberals are just as quick as anyone to throw science to the wind when its results don't meet their forgone conclusions. Like stats about the uselessness of gun control, for example.

    1. Re:No. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Like stats about the uselessness of gun control, for example.

      What's wrong about the fact:
      If you have a gun and a toddler in your house, you are more likely to be shot by your toddler than to fire the gun in self defense.

      Go on, prove it wrong. Tell me how it's not true. Yes, I know the non-fact based argument that most "self defense" uses are brandishing, not firing. But I've not found anyone that can find (objective, factual) fault in the fact presented.

    2. Re:No. by joppeknol · · Score: 1

      What's wrong about the fact: If you have a gun and a toddler in your house, you are more likely to be shot by your toddler than to fire the gun in self defense. Go on, prove it wrong. Tell me how it's not true. Yes, I know the non-fact based argument that most "self defense" uses are brandishing, not firing. But I've not found anyone that can find (objective, factual) fault in the fact presented.

      What's wrong with this fact is that it implicitly assumes that you throw a dice to see whether you need to use the gun in self-defence and another dice to see whether you'll be shot by your toddler

      This is untrue. The chance of using it or the chance of being shot by your toddler are dependent on the area you live in, the attractiveness of your house to burglars, the discipline you use in storing your weapons, the care you take in overseeing your daughter, etc. These are individual factors and while an average statistic is interesting, it won't say much about your personal situation. It might be that in your particular case, you're better of with a gun. Even only if it makes you sleep better.

      BTW: I live in the Netherlands and hate guns, but I also don't think that flawed arguments against it will work.

    3. Re:No. by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with this fact is that it implicitly assumes that you throw a dice to see whether you need to use the gun in self-defence and another dice to see whether you'll be shot by your toddler

      If you can't identify factors that affect the odds, assuming the average for everyone is the most statistically valid assumption. If you disagree, then provide a study or proof of my wrongness. Part of the odds is that they are valid for the population, even when wrong. If you don't understand that, go take some statistics classes and come back when you grasp the basics. A normal curve for the odds for the population mean that, by definition, you are usually wrong, but that the average comes back to the mean/median (which match for a normal curve).

      These are individual factors and while an average statistic is interesting, it won't say much about your personal situation. It might be that in your particular case, you're better of with a gun. Even only if it makes you sleep better.

      Your "personal situation" doesn't actually affect the odds. You haven't proided any facts (substantiated or otherwise) but appealed to emotion. Like was said, fact-based arguments favor the Liberal, and the factless emotional arguments are the tool of the conservatives.

    4. Re:No. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It might be that in your particular case, you're better of with a gun. Even only if it makes you sleep better.

      That's irrelevant.

      If you're a rapist you no doubt think it's better for you if you can rape. Society at large disagrees, so there is a law against rape.

      If you let everyone do whatever they want to do in their own self interest then you have anarchy. And, yes, this does mean that civilisation puts limit on freedom.

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  22. What good are mod points? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if you can't down mod an entire article
    -1 flame bait

  23. We have always been at war with NATO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And will continue to, regardless of recent election results.

    You underestimate, perhaps, the necessity of rectifying the facts to make them more congruent with post-election reality.

  24. Thank you Captain Obvious by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    You'd have to be a fool, not to know that Google slants results. It's how they make money.

  25. "Reality has a liberal bias..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So much more satisfying, isn't it, to smugly dismiss the opinions of others rather than consider the possibility that you were wrong?

    Keep it up. Maybe you can flip a few more states to Trump in 2020...

    1. Re:"Reality has a liberal bias..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much more satisfying, isn't it, to smugly dismiss the opinions of others rather than consider the possibility that you were wrong?

      Keep it up. Maybe you can flip a few more states to Trump in 2020...

      So much more satisfying, isn't it, to smugly dismiss the opinions of others rather than consider the possibility that you were wrong?

      Keep it up. Maybe you can flip a few more states to Trump in 2020...

    2. Re:"Reality has a liberal bias..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... to smugly dismiss the opinions of others

      What opinions? Apart from the existence of God (which, whatever that might mean, is not amenable to scientific analysis), OP stuck to established science. That those of you wishing flip states cannot distinguish science from opinion, and feel the need to censor anyone who points this out, does nothing but prove the original point: You can flip all the states you like, it's not going to disturb the Theory of Gravity (or whatever science is currently deemed inconvenient) one little bit.

  26. Are they fixing search results? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they're not and these pages were the most selected, I don't see where the problem is.

  27. In other words by DavidMZ · · Score: 1

    50 recent searches for political terms on Google surfaced more liberal-leaning webpages than conservative ones, as rated by a panel of four people.

    In other words, four people have a conservative bias. :)

  28. Randomly correct? by galabar · · Score: 1

    With just 4 people, it seems like a randomly correct result.

  29. American political bias by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

    I get it slashdot is american blah blah blah.

    But many of the issues that are raising in the US as conservative vs liberal are not in the same camp when in other countries. Gun control is a prime example. In Australia the strict gun control laws were put in place by the strongly conservative party. Also minimum wage legislation was introduced by Deakin in 1904 who was the leader of the then right wing party.

  30. Google's results are dependent on the searcher! by RhettLivingston · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Google's results are not the same for every searcher in every locale. They are dependent on what you've searched for in the past, where you're at, what is in the news at the moment, etc.

    In other words, they are quite intentionally biased to meet the likely desires of the user. This article has no basis in science, though it cloaks itself in that fashion to those who know nothing about science, and is far more biased than Google's search results.

    1. Re:Google's results are dependent on the searcher! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also, and just as importantly, liberals and conservatives tend to be passionate and more outspoken on specific topics.

      Liberals, when discussing minimum wage laws, are more likely to wax lyrical and bring up lengthy studies and other evidence that making sure that everyone who works a 9-5 job makes enough money to sustain themselves in reasonable comfort is not only morally correct but economically beneficial. Conservatives, on the other hand, by and large simply don't mention it other than referring to it as "a typical tax-and-spend liberal pipe dream".

      Gun control, on the other hand, leans the other way because (at least American) conservatives are heavily invested in reacting to even the suggestion that a reasonable conversation regarding it should be had by carpet-bombing the entire social sphere with explanations on how gun control doesn't reduce crime because criminals will still have guns, an armed society is a polite society, rhubarb rhubarb Clinton/Obama is coming for our guns...

      If Google's search engine takes things like referral frequency into account, that would explain the apparent 'bias' in the results per topic. It's apparent in what each site cares a great deal about.

    2. Re:Google's results are dependent on the searcher! by bfpierce · · Score: 1

      I'm not at all surprised as to who this article appeals to.

  31. Perhaps the Web has a liberal "bias"... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... and Google search results are just reflecting the web. In other words, don't blame the messenger for the message conveyed.

  32. BeauHD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You post so much flamebait it's unreasonable. You either don't understand stats and just post these out of ignorance or you're a paid troll.

    Either way stop or leave. I fucking hate you.

    1. Re:BeauHD by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Either way stop or leave. I fucking hate you."

      You're not looking at this in the right way: what in hell's wrong with having an easy way to identify flamebait?

  33. Perhaps the benchmark is miscalibrated by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1
    Liberal bias is left of some unspecified center benchmark. conservative bias is right of some unspecified center benchmark. What if the center benchmark has been place in the wrong spot?

    .
    If that center benchmark is too far towards the conservative side, then the web (and, subsequently, google's search results) will appear to have a liberal bias.

    In other words, maybe the web does not have a liberal bias, maybe the center benchmark that the researchers used is too far towards the conservative side.

    1. Re:Perhaps the benchmark is miscalibrated by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      You nailed it, my friend. When I tell conservatives President Obama is in some respects far more conservative than Richard Nixon, they call me a liar. When I prove it by referring to their actual and legislation they backed, the cons' tiny heads explode like those little red firecrackers.

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    2. Re:Perhaps the benchmark is miscalibrated by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      When I tell conservatives President Obama is in some respects far more conservative than Richard Nixon, they call me a liar. When I prove it by referring to their actual and legislation they backed, the cons' tiny heads explode like those little red firecrackers.

      So he must be more of a fiscal conservative, because he's not more of a social conservative. Nixon wasted a bunch of our money trying to prove that pornography was harmful. I did a report on it in Jr. High. Only the teacher was impressed. Little has changed in my life since :p

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    3. Re:Perhaps the benchmark is miscalibrated by hyades1 · · Score: 1

      You're right about that, but Nixon tried hard to get a single-payer public health care system through, he backed affirmative action strongly and he created the EPA. Those are all pretty liberal, by today's standards.

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  34. Four? by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    I can't think of ANY study where 4 people would be a statistically valid sample size.

    Somebody is either a cheapskate, or using tricks to yank our crank.

  35. Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by raymorris · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I have observed that liberals tend to be idealists, conservatives realists. The song Imagine by John Lennon is a beautiful expression of liberal thinking.

      Liberals speak of what they desire *could* be, and very often of how things *should* be. Conservatives focus much more on the cold, hard facts of how things *are*. So much so that it often makes discussions difficult:

    Conservative: That doesn't work, X% of y are Z.
    Liberal: No! X shouldn't be Z!
    Conservative: "Should" doesn't matter, X -are- Z.
    Liberal: You racist fuck, you think X should be Z!? That makes you a bigot!

    1. Re: Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Chirs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that many people on the right behave the same way, just about different topics.

      And it's annoying no matter who is doing it.

    2. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Often X isn't Z, but some other factors (often racist bigots) force X to be Z, then complain that X is Z.

      Note the much higher conviction rate of Blacks than whites for the same crime, then when Blacks are sentenced to longer prison sentences for the same crimes, bigots complain that Blacks are filling up the jails. If the sentencing wasn't racist, then X wouldn't equal Z, and X shouldn't equal Z, but bigots force X to equal Z, then complain about it.

    3. Re: Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, blacks are charged with lots of crimes whites arent. Thats a great stat until you consider that the whites werent commiting the other crimes that caused the blacks to get all the tack on charges added.

      "White let go with weed posession." "Blacl charged with weed posession but also charged with felony weapon posession." See how that works?

      The fact is the vast majortiy of urban blacks are criminals. Not all, but the vast majority. Ignoring this is mostly hurting the minority of blacks that are sick of it.

    4. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Liberals speak of what they desire *could* be, and very often of how things *should* be. Conservatives focus much more on the cold, hard facts of how things *are*. So much so that it often makes discussions difficult:

      Your describing what conservatives *should* be, not what they are.

      In reality, their "cold hard facts" are often aren't facts at all, but are instead per-conceived postulates. Thus, so much emphasis on "faith" and "principles", objective evidence be damned.

      They are also usually focused less how things *are*, than on how they think things *were*, as interpreted through some distorted rose-colored filter.

    5. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really do need both idealists and realists though. Idealists to look at the world and go "that (slavery/disease/inequality/racism/etc) isn't right: we need to do something" and realists to figure out what action will achieve the goals set out by the idealists (and/or act as a sanity filter for the more far-out ideas). No idealists: stagnation, no progress. No realists: lots of noise, still no progress.

      It's also why both sides of politics are irritating in completely different ways. Those on the far left tend to waffle about ideals but are unwilling to accept the necessary compromises and sacrifices required to achieve their lofty goals ("we insist on more wind power to replace coal, but refuse to allow turbines unless you can 110% categorically guarantee that no birds will hit the blades. Oh, and don't dare spoil the heritage-listed view! Why aren't you doing something?"), while those on the far right just want to stick with what they know / understand about the "real" world and so oppose any and all change reflexively ("I was always taught coal was good for the economy, no-one told me about climate change at school 50 years ago, it's new and challenging so I'm going to go into denial, something something the economy. Ommmmm.").

    6. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, they're racist bigots if they suggest that the data indicates black people are more likely to commit crimes. They're good democrats if they suggest destroying Appalachian culture.

    7. Re: Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by swalve · · Score: 1

      Except both guys were carrying guns. They just weren't as afraid of the white guy, so they didn't frisk him and just issued a summons. They threw the black guy on the ground, called the dogs and tossed his automobile. When you correct for socioeconomic status and urban versus rural, racial differences in crime all but disappear.

    8. Re: Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      provide a source, otherwise you're just bullshitting to try and make your viewpoint seem valid.

    9. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by quenda · · Score: 1

      I have observed that liberals tend to be idealists, conservatives realists.

      Me too, but it depends where you live. Certainly does not apply in the US bible belt.

    10. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Informative

      The data indicates that Blacks commit crimes less than whites, but that prison correlates with crime more than white does, so the racism of the system handing out more and longer sentences to Blacks shows statistics that have Blacks offending more. Correct for SES, and Blacks commit more crimes. Correct for recidivism and Blacks offend less.

      Democrats don't want to destroy Appalachian culture. They just want to destroy the global damage caused by coal mining and burning. If the Appalachian culture was built around goats or sheep herding, the Democrats wouldn't have any issue with them.

    11. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      I see this all the time. As a Jew living in Israel (immigrant, not born native), I often participate in "discussions" on Israeli/Jewish fora. The liberals always assume that my positions on the Occupation are based on how I think things aught to be, rather than based on how they actually are. It seems liberals are completely unable to divorce their emotions from reality.

    12. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Are you insane? The vegans would be all over them, instead of the environmentalists.

    13. Re: Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you understand what the phrase "vast majority" means? If so, do you honestly believe the statement you made or are you just embellishing to make a point?

    14. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now if only that X% wasn't a fake number the conservative pulled out his think-tank's ass....

    15. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I have observed that liberals tend to be idealists, conservatives realists.

      That's right. That's why the Earth is 6,000 years old, climate change doesn't exist no matter what the science says, evolution is a myth, market forces are the answer to any problem, implementing a minimum wage totally ruined our economy, we are safer if we all have guns despite the statistics from other countries, the government should not try to control our lives and yet somehow gay marriage not only devalues our normal marriages and causes earthquakes.

    16. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      For goats milk and wool?

    17. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      You have it backwards. Conservatives tend to be idealists, liberals tend to be pragmatic.

      Take abortion. Liberals see that mistakes happen, and this is the least bad option. Conservatives want an ideal world where people abstain from sex or consider a collection of cells to be a human being because the messy reality of no definitive cut-off point makes them uneasy.

      Gun control is the same, liberals see that guns are involved in a lot of crime and don't seem to be necessary to keep the government in check in most countries. Conservatives have an idea of how things should be, with people defending themselves with their own weapons and the government/criminals living in fear of them.

      Economic policy, conservatives want the idealized free market to decide everything. Liberals are more pragmatic, favouring regulation because the market doesn't work very well in theory or in practice.

      Social issues, conservatives want to go back to the 1950s when things were simple. Liberals recognize that such things are rarely simple and you just have to be pragmatic and accept that, and even come to appreciate it.

      I could go on, hopefully you get the picture.

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    18. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus, so much emphasis on "faith" and "principles", objective evidence be damned.

      ALL POLITICS is like this now. All of it. The Media promotes absolutism and extremism and deliberately smothers moderate and alternative voices.

      There is literally not a single topic I could bring up without drawing the ire of one side or the other in the US politico-cultural civil war. It can't be done anymore!

    19. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is that right? Conservatives are the ones who ushered in the era of "post-truth", where feelings matter more than facts. Try the fuck again.

    20. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I have observed that liberals tend to be idealists, conservatives realists. The song Imagine by John Lennon is a beautiful expression of liberal thinking.

      Liberals speak of what they desire *could* be, and very often of how things *should* be. Conservatives focus much more on the cold, hard facts of how things *are*. So much so that it often makes discussions difficult:

      Conservative: That doesn't work, X% of y are Z. Liberal: No! X shouldn't be Z! Conservative: "Should" doesn't matter, X -are- Z. Liberal: You racist fuck, you think X should be Z!? That makes you a bigot!

      A conservative is someone who thinks things were better fifty years ago, a liberal someone who thinks things will be better in fifty years time. Current reality is just current reality.

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    21. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a name for the fallacy of comparing a reasonable representative against a fringe representative of the opposition? Based on my observations, it is now a more common fallacy than the ad hominem.

    22. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Xyrus · · Score: 1

      Is that why so-called conservatives are anti-science? Is that why they're against same-sex marriage? Is that why they're anti-gay? Is that why they're anti-vax?

      I could go on, but you get the point. Conservatives are only fact based when it fits their ideology. Otherwise, it doesn't matter how many facts you give them they will declare it "bullshit" and continue on their merry way.

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    23. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by vel-ex-tech · · Score: 1

      You forgot all us tranSEXuals raping little girls in the women's room and metaphysically raping the female form with our woman suits.

      Oh! And DARING to use a female avatar while gaming online.

      At least there's something feminists and conservatives can agree on.

    24. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Alomex · · Score: 1

      The data indicates that Blacks commit crimes less than whites, but that prison correlates with crime more than white does

      This. I have a friend who became drug addict and spent decades breaking all manner of laws. Since she was white, she spent not a single day in prison and does not even have a criminal record in spite of having been arrested dozens of times. I have no doubt that if she had been black (or even just a man for that matter) she would have spent at least a year in prison.

    25. Re: Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's some truth to that, but conservatives become utterly divorced from reality where religion and morality enter into things.

      You want to reduce abortions? Increase education (general education, not sex education), especially of women, and increase birth control availability. Those two things reduce unintended pregnancy by more than anything else in study after study after study. This is universal across all cultures too. It is absolutely a proven way to achieve the goals the religious conservatives want, and yet they oppose both things with the same ferver they use for abortion itself.

      Why? Because in their minds people might have conseqence free sex and they can't stand the notion. But people have sex anyway. They don't believe it despite it's being true.

      There is nothing at all in the Christian Bible prohibiting sex generally or especially prescribing marriage exclusively either. There are lessons on what can happen when things get out of hand, but that's about it.

      Also, Jesus once attended a wedding and performed a miracle at it which had to do with helping the ceremony and nothing to do with the married life of the couple in question. The miracle of course was turning water into wine, and many Christians though certainly and thankfully not most believe alcohol is prohibited somehow even though their own savior helped people have enough for a wedding.

      Their made up beliefs about that and about sex aren't even in accordance with their own holy book and they see no contradiction.

      Delusions work both ways.

    26. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Do you have a source for that breakdown?

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    27. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      The Left is pretty bad about pre-conceived postulates as well, especially the social sciences. This article is quite interesting; I don't agree with his assessment of climate change, but the rest is pretty solid.

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    28. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Most conservatives don't believe a majority of those things, let alone all of them. You could just as easily make a liberal strawman to show the opposite point.

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    29. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good points, but a tad off on one point. Conservatives tend to be self centered, with low empathy and compassion. Without the ability to understand why it might be different to grow up in the projects, they can't imagine why poor people don't just run a farm, or build houses, or whatever.

    30. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as simple as that. Conservatives often want longer jail sentences. Research shows that doesn't work. It "should", common sense says, but it doesn't.

    31. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I believe anti-vaxxers are roughly split between left and right. Can I substitute abstinence-only sex education?

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    32. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The song Imagine by John Lennon is a beautiful expression of liberal thinking.
      Seriously? You're going to boil down a massive part of the country into a song from 45 years ago?

      Liberals speak of what they desire *could* be, and very often of how things *should* be. Conservatives focus much more on the cold, hard facts of how things *are*.

      You live in a fantasy world. The Republican party just elected a guy who has switched parties 5 different times, and has changed his opinions during the campaign more times than he's changed his underwear. These are the same people who claim they don't want their politicians to waffle or flip flop on issues. This election was filled with fake news that had no relation to the facts. Stuff like the protests in Austin were all paid protesters bused in. A story concocted by one guy based "truthiness", so he didn't need to bother checking the facts (which were that the buses he saw were for a Tableau convention). The right ate that shit up like it was butter flavored, cheese filled bullshit! Even after the guy who posted the original story corrected it as false, nobody wanted to listen to it. They liked the taste of the bullshit too much.

      So to say that the right is some sort of haven for truth is in fact a load of steaming bullshit that stinks so much that they can smell it on Mars. Each party has it's own biases and has things it'd rather not believe. But the Republican party has gone so far into lies and bullshit territory, and built so much on what Jon Stewart used to call "Bullshit Mountain" that people such as yourself can't even see it anymore.

    33. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Gadget_Guy · · Score: 1

      Most conservatives don't believe a majority of those things, let alone all of them.

      It must just be the loud ones then; like the pundits on TV and radio, and the conservative think-tanks. Either that or you are being idealistic about what conservatives think. But given that the original poster says that conservatives say things like "X% of y are Z", why don't you give us some percentages if you are so sure that you talk for the majority?

      You could just as easily make a liberal strawman to show the opposite point.

      If it is that easy, why not do it? It only took me a couple of minutes to make my list, so rather than just giving your opinion that it would be easy to do, why not give us the hard facts to prove it. I would be interested to find out what the liberals think that goes against science and other studies.

      Of course, even if you can make the most brilliant and insightful list, it would not change my rebuttal of the original notion that conservatives are the realists "who focus much more on the cold, hard facts of how things *are*".

    34. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It must just be the loud ones then

      Yes, just like all movements, the loudest ones get the most attention.

      why don't you give us some percentages if you are so sure that you talk for the majority?

      I don't talk for the majority of conservatives, because I am not one. Nor did I claim to be.

      If it is that easy, why not do it?

      Laziness, mostly. But the Left does have a problem with science in some regards.

      Of course, even if you can make the most brilliant and insightful list, it would not change my rebuttal of the original notion that conservatives are the realists "who focus much more on the cold, hard facts of how things *are*".

      Okay. I know conservatives take a lot on faith. Liberals do too. Both sides think they're right, but confirmation bias is a strong force.

    35. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Sorry, not sure why it logged me out for a bit there.

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    36. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Oh, and also, I should clarify - I don't think the author of that piece is right about climate change. He does bring up a few valid points about it - namely, the historical unreliability of climate ecologists and the models maybe not being as good as we think - but I also think he dismisses it too much. The stuff about social sciences is, I think, compelling.

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    37. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm generalize much?

    38. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus, so much emphasis on "faith" and "principles", objective evidence be damned.

      My foreign coworkers asked me, what if not science these people used to determine facts about the world. So I started listening to the rhetoric. They've started to call this spontaneous creation of fact, "common sense." I've been hearing that phrase repeatedly as an alternative to the scientific method.

    39. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conservatives *believe* that they focus on cold, hard, facts, and then they go back to watching Fox News.

    40. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a baby is not a person until it passes through the birth canal. Science isn't selective, only assholes are.

    41. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      http://www.nccdglobal.org/site... Not directly, but using that as a starting point, and following some of their cites, and you'll land on it, or something close to it.

    42. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by ripj · · Score: 1

      I'm a concrete thinker, so I'm going to need some examples. All right, I'll go the Mad Lib route with the help of the command line.

      $ ruby -e 'print rand() * 100, "\n"'
      52.99307311000596

      Great, that's X. Now for y and Z

      $ shuf -n 2 /usr/share/dict/words
      nepheloscope
      poison-tipped

      Okay, so now we'll see how the conversation would actually play out.

      Conservative: That doesn't work, 52.99307311000596% of nepheloscopes are poison-tipped.
      Liberal: No! 52.99307311000596 shouldn't be poison-tipped!
      Conservative: "Should" doesn't matter, 52.99307311000596 -are- poison-tipped.
      Liberal: You racist fuck, you think 52.99307311000596 should be poison-tipped!? That makes you a bigot!

      Yep, sounds about like what I expect Thanksgiving dinner to be like.

    43. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have it backwards. Conservatives tend to be idealists, liberals tend to be pragmatic.

      Post factual thinking at its finest.

      Liberals see that mistakes happen, and this is the least bad option.

      That's an idealist stance. Liberals ASSUME that abortion is the least bad option most of the time. This requires assuming that people in an idealized way, that they have no personal responsible or fault for the mistake to happen. They requires believing in people behaving as ideal human beings who won't ever abuse the law or the system.

      Conservatives are pragmatic as they understand that not only aren't people saints, not everyone's case is the same and there is no one size fits all least bad option to warrant broad legalization.

      Conservatives want an ideal world where people abstain from sex or consider a collection of cells to be a human being because the messy reality of no definitive cut-off point makes them uneasy.

      Wrong. That is NOT the conservative position. That's your liberal idealized strawman of the conservative position.

      Gun control is the same, liberals see that guns are involved in a lot of crime

      "liberals see guns are involved in a lot of crime" is idealist post factual thinking. The actual FACTS is that crime has been trending down for decades. Liberals ignore the fact that places with stricter gun control have it WORSE in crime. Liberals ignore the fact that all those school shootings they scream about were already "gun free" zones and that did little good in protecting people. Liberals ignore the fact that a robber can shoot you in seconds while the polices are minutes away. Liberals ignore all the unreported cases of crime prevented because guns acted as a deterrent.

      Conservatives have an idea of how things should be, with people defending themselves with their own weapons and the government/criminals living in fear of them.

      That's not just how things should be. That's how things ARE. Your denial of the facts is, as said in the beginning, post factual thinking in its finest.

      Economic policy, conservatives want the idealized free market to decide everything. Liberals are more pragmatic, favouring regulation because the market doesn't work very well in theory or in practice.

      Again, this is just more liberal idealism on your part. You're conjuring up an idealized conservative strawman to beat up on.

    44. Re:Cold, heartless liberal bean counters by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      That's true only within a narrow range of topics, particularly certain (not all) cultural/immigration issues.

      Conservatives are often hopeless idealists in myriad other ways: starry-eyed versions of nationalism, faith in the 'free' market, religious beliefs and related issues (abstinence only contraception, voluntary repression of homosexuality, etc.), etc.

  36. Biased question perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try googling for any information on how to 'combat the rise of gender-fluidity'....... you get Nothing, Zip, Nada, that isn't in support of this brand of mental disorder.

    I'm curious what did you expect to find?
    Do you expect to find people expression hatred towards people conditioned with what you called a "brand of mental disorder"?

    Honestly, I'm not surprised that "hate" is down rated by search engines.

    Science based? Truth? Not even close

    Scientists rarely gets founded to "combat" something, before it's been clearly identified as a problem. Obesity is a problem (facts are in on that).
    Now if you go searching for why there is a rise or a perceived rise you might actually get some results.

    Note: if you do find an article labelled 'how to combat the rise of gender-fluidity', you'll likely see it founded by fundamentalists who have already decided that gender-fluidity is a problem. Without actually studying the phenomenon first.

    On an unbiased scientific note: I seriously doubt gender-fluidity has a scale that could threaten humanity.
    Other than being weird in your (and many others) subjective opinion, what evidence is there that it's an issue?

    1. Re:Biased question perhaps? by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      what evidence is there that it's an issue?

      I see it in school children who come home and have pronounced that they have decided they aren't happy in their bodies at a critically young age when sexuality shouldn't even be a topic. I see a lot of these kids forced into it by activist parents or encouraged by their peers as the latest fashion.

      I see it in full grown men that should have been treated for prostrate issues instead of given hormones and surgically mutilated while leaving the real potential problem untreated and possibly leading to a mans death that could be prevented.

      It's one thing to be Gay, that's fine. I don't care. Bugger whoever or whatever you want. But leave the kids out of it. And leave it out of the streets. You don't see straight folk getting in your face and having parades etc.

      X and Y makes you male or female. If you aren't comfortable in your body then the problem is in your own head, and you need to take responsibility for it, not make everyone around you treat you like a special snowflake.

      I'm curious what did you expect to find?

      Links to forums or resources for the rational expulsion of mental disease being pushed onto young children in school.

      you'll likely see it founded by fundamentalists who have already decided that gender-fluidity is a problem

      If that's all that can get through the filters I would take it.

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    2. Re:Biased question perhaps? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      You see, we can continue walking on that thread of logic and say that if you aren't comfortable with people that aren't comfortable in their bodies, then the problem is in your own head and you need to take responsibility for it, not make everyone around you treat you like a special snowflake. And this can go on and on and on to reductio ad absurdum, which, contrary to what people thing, is a very useful tool - if an idea, reduced to the absurd, still makes sense, it is probably an excellent idea, but I digress.
      Anyway, do yourself a favour and truly stop caring instead of merely saying that you don't.

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    3. Re:Biased question perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see it in school children who come home and have pronounced that they have decided they aren't happy in their bodies at a critically young age when sexuality shouldn't even be a topic. I see a lot of these kids forced into it by activist parents or encouraged by their peers as the latest fashion.

      No, you don't.

      I see it in full grown men that should have been treated for prostrate issues instead of given hormones and surgically mutilated while leaving the real potential problem untreated and possibly leading to a mans death that could be prevented.

      Well, there's a lot of fear and paranoia in that sentence, but not much reality. We're maybe starting to get some insight into your problem, though.

      It's one thing to be Gay, that's fine. I don't care. Bugger whoever or whatever you want.

      Here we go. It gets much clearer at this point.

      But leave the kids out of it.

      And right over the falls. We all get it now. You're afraid you're gay and it's scaring the hell out of you. That's fine, in many ways your reaction is understandable. However, it would really be a much more positive step to accept yourself than to vilify those whose acceptance of themselves generates your fear. Get help, man. You'll be happier for it.

    4. Re:Biased question perhaps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If there's a problem in somebody's head then he or she should get help. But providing help to someone based on their individual condition might be construed as treating them as a special snowflake ... Do you see the problem here?

    5. Re:Biased question perhaps? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      X and Y makes you male or female. If you aren't comfortable in your body then the problem is in your own head, and you need to take responsibility for it, not make everyone around you treat you like a special snowflake.

      As with most human genetics, it's more complicated than that, and we can get physiologically female brains in male bodies. If you aren't comfortable in your body, you've got a problem. Being generally a nice guy, I'd like to see your problem solved. We don't know how to change a mind between male and female, but we can do surgical alteration and hormone therapy to get the body more suited to the mind. Most people with this problem just want to fix it somehow, and don't want to be treated as anyone special because of it. I've got a few surgical modifications and body chemistry alterations that I don't bring up in conversations until they seem relevant.

      Lastly, we're all special snowflakes, each in their own way. That's what makes humanity so wonderful.

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  37. Ps both are needed, dreams AND plans by raymorris · · Score: 1

    My first post may have cast liberals in a negative role. Both viewpoints are needed, so ideally we'd all respect the others' ways of looking at things. Liberals are strong at imagining a great thing, as dream end state. Then respect the conservatives' that the budget won't cover all that, but we CAN afford to do A, B, and C.

    1. Re:Ps both are needed, dreams AND plans by swalve · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Except that's complete nonsense. Conservatives have been responsible for the vast majority of new spending in the last decades. They sign the laws and then blame the liberals for the costs. Conservatives just use the budget excuse to complain about things they don't want to do.

    2. Re:Ps both are needed, dreams AND plans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that's complete nonsense. Politicians have been responsible for the vast majority of new spending in the last decades. They sign the laws and then blame the liberals for the costs. Politicians just use the budget excuse to complain about things they don't want to do.

      FTFY

    3. Re:Ps both are needed, dreams AND plans by swalve · · Score: 1

      That's what conservatives always say when they are cornered by a difficult truth: "yeah, well, they all do it!" No, they don't, and even if they do that doesn't make it OK.

  38. Proof again by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Proved again that fact, truth, science, and honesty has a liberal bias.

  39. As reported... by HiThere · · Score: 1

    Given a specific selection of searches a putatively unbiased panel said the results were biased. Some of the serches were:
    "Minimum wage" ... liberal bias
    "does gun control reduce crime" ... conservative bias
    "financial regulation" ... non-partisan
    "federal reserve" ... non-partisan
    Why do I feel accurate reporting of web pages would produce a that kind of bias? This seems to be a non-story tricked up to try to appear shocking.

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  40. "Yes" bias by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Actually, Google Search Results have "Yes" bias and not "liberal" bias.

    Goolge Search is designed to find "relevant" (as Google says), "helpful" and "useful" information, so it needs to be designed to look for "positive" and "affirmative" words.
    "Liberals" are more likely to say "can be solved", "can work together", "can get along" and so on.
    "Conservatives" are more likely to say "can't be solved", "can't work together", "can't get along" and so on.
    Google Search ends up thinking "agreeing liberals" are "good results" and "denying consevatives" as "bad results".

    The approach of Google Search is fine when looking for information with the correct answer such as "Yes, 1+1=2" but fails on social issues with no clear answer.

  41. Too small a study by Chalnoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This study is just way, way too small to have the conclusion it claims to have.

    Whether left-leaning or right-leaning results turn up depends upon a wide variety of factors, not least of which is wording (left-leaning sites and right-leaning sites often use slightly different wording for the same issue). I don't see how it is even remotely possible for a group of four people to review enough searches to make up a representative sample, and four people is too small a number to provide a solid opinion.

    Also, there's a distinct possibility that for some issues, left-leaning sites have talked about those issues far more frequently and in far more depth, while right-leaning sites will have discussed other, different issues.

    Finally, I see no reason why Google should be held to any sort of standard of false balance: there are many issues for which the facts very solidly support the left, and it makes sense for Google's search results to reflect that bias. One of the clearest examples here would be global warming, but there are many others.

    1. Re:Too small a study by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      This study is just way, way too small to have the conclusion it claims to have.

      There's just no pleasing the Slashdot crowd. Every time a study comes up people complain about the sample size. I mean they used a whole four people for this. What more could you want. These studies don't come cheap you know!

    2. Re:Too small a study by mjwx · · Score: 1

      This study is just way, way too small to have the conclusion it claims to have.

      There's just no pleasing the Slashdot crowd. Every time a study comes up people complain about the sample size. I mean they used a whole four people for this. What more could you want. These studies don't come cheap you know!

      Especially when you have to change the study to get the results you want.

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  42. It's not just reality that's biased... by denzacar · · Score: 2

    Google results are biased towards what users at a particular location using a particular computer and a particular account find to be correct.
    I.e. Billy Bob and William Jefferson the Third just may not get the same results when googling for things. Particularly when it comes to cigars.

    You know... Search engine giving YOU results YOU are searching for... not what someone else might be searching for...
    Something tells me that Google may be spending a lot of time and resources on getting that to actually work.

    On the other hand... both the list of "50 politically-relevant keywords" and their methodology ARE left-leaning by default.
    Their methodology includes MANY "relevance" checks - which is bound to select for left-leaning results when googling for terms such as "abortion" instead of "baby murder" or "global warming" instead of "global warming hoax".
    Hell... they didn't even search for "Mexicans", "Muslims", "N-word", "terrorist"... Nor was there a single search for "Pepe".
    Or "pussy" for that matter. And speaking of matter...
    Don't these people know that it's not just "black lives matter" but that "all lives matter" and "blue lives matter" too?

    You know... Actual right-leaning vocabulary.

    BTW... Apparently Slashdot also has a left-leaning bias. Wont' let me say "Nig.ers" with two 'g's.
    Remember that as you read all the other posts here. This is a left-leaning site.

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    1. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by swillden · · Score: 1

      BTW... Apparently Slashdot also has a left-leaning bias. Wont' let me say "Nig.ers" with two 'g's. Remember that as you read all the other posts here. This is a left-leaning site.

      I hadn't realized that was in place. However, it's not so much evidence of left leaning or PC as it is a simple and obvious reaction to a long-standing category of slashdot trolls (https://encyclopediadramatica.se/GNAA).

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    2. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by chiguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      BTW... Apparently Slashdot also has a left-leaning bias. Wont' let me say "Nig.ers" with two 'g's.
      Remember that as you read all the other posts here. This is a left-leaning site.

      So you're saying since Slashdot doesn't let you use a racial slur, it's left-leaning? So you're saying right-leaning users want to use racial slurs but are thwarted by this left-leaning site?

      That's what I thought.

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    3. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Leftists are against freedom of speech, and Rightists aren't.

    4. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      BTW... Apparently Slashdot also has a left-leaning bias. Wont' let me say "Nig.ers" with two 'g's.

      Uhm, in what way is that left-leaning?
      Are you saying that you have to be racist to be conservative?
      Don't be the like dude who claimed that teaching about the extinction was left wing propaganda.

    5. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Well as a rightist you're doing a bang up job of demonstrating that you're happy to invent your own facts when reality doesn't match. And that's where the quip about reality having a left wing bias comes from. Thanks for playing.

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    6. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      I hadn't realized that was in place.

      It's because it is a new(ish) addition.

      Not even a year ago, slashdotters were still considered to be able to practice some common decency.
      So, no. It ain't the GNAA trolls.

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    7. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Clearly it's political correctness gone crazy and whatnot leftist something or other.
      Free speech being murdered, liberties trampled, nanny state forbidding racial slurs... cats and dogs... living together...
      If you don't see it that way... well... you must be a commie pinko liberal SJW too.

      Or at least that's what the reaction of most of AC posters and a great number of registered users here lately might find it to be.
      Which is why I'm pointing out the irony of it.

      That nowadays, here on slashdot, a mere common decency filter, either provided by a website or by upbringing, is what constitutes leftist political correctness, social justicing whatever.
      While it is also clear that it was necessary to add such a filter here.

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    8. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I didn't know Slashdot won't let you say the n-word, when did that start? I guess maybe it was an attempt to filter the GNAA spam?

      I said even trying to filter that stuff, and APK's spam, was a bad idea.

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    9. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FWEEEEEEEEEEEEET!! Strawman on the field, yellow card!

    10. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by swillden · · Score: 1

      I hadn't realized that was in place.

      It's because it is a new(ish) addition.

      Not even a year ago, slashdotters were still considered to be able to practice some common decency. So, no. It ain't the GNAA trolls.

      Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise.

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    11. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does it let you say Crackers or Honkeys? If so, then yes, it's biased.

    12. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by swillden · · Score: 1

      Does it let you say Crackers or Honkeys? If so, then yes, it's biased.

      Are those words common in GNAA crapfloods? And even if they are, if blocking one word is enough to stop/reduce it and blocking more wouldn't help, then why bother?

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    13. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      I don't remember a lot of leftist outrage when whats-his-name the football player refused to stand for the national anthem.

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    14. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      GNAA trolls are ancient by internet standards.
      If it were GNAA trolls causing the filtering, that would have taken place back in the olden days of goatse and the necessity of including link descriptions - back when GNAA trolls were an actual issue.
      Instead, it happened sometime (I'm to lazy to check more precisely) in the last 10 months and 22 days.

      Now... I can't seem to recall an outbreak of GNAA posts which would call for and result in such filtering.
      Last big outrage event that caused interface changes being Slashdot BETA and the resulting boycott. Back in 2014.
      And even that was over a year before the post I linked for you up there. A perfect opportunity to include a GNAA filter (a decade too late)... yet nothing happened.

      It's not the GNAA trolls.

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    15. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Well... there's a December 31st 2015 post with that word here.
      So... sometime in the current year... but no later than yesterday. I'm too lazy to check further.

      And it's probably not GNAAs...
      If they were the reason, that filter would happen back in the days of other lameness filtering and link descriptions due to goatse links.
      GNAAs are old.

      Besides... you can still write ni66er, niger, n1gger... which are all good enough for a troll.

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    16. Re:It's not just reality that's biased... by chiguy · · Score: 1

      The same people who say "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" tend not to get as outraged about issues of protest involving free speech.

      There were plenty of left leaning folks who disapproved, perhaps the most famous being Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg: "It's dumb and disrespectful."

      But the idea that you should be allowed to criticize the government or society is something leftists generally agree on.

      Hmmmm, that seems to contradict the idea that "Leftists are against free speech."

      Weird

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  43. American Bubble by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 2

    The summary in fact offers an example where conservative websites are emphasized and it happens to be on a topic where the conservatives usually have the facts on their side. Gun control.

    Sorry to burst your American bubble but there is a simpler explanation: Google searches the web worldwide with the emphasis on "world". On the US political spectrum the average person in Europe and Canada probably maps to somewhere marginally right of communism and since Google will use links to judge interest those of us in the rest of the world could produce a 'liberal bias' compared to the US.

    This would also explain why gun control came back more conservative. Whatever your views on it are the only country which really debates gun control now is the US, everywhere else the debate is pretty much over except for the odd discussion about changes to the gun control regulations in a particular country which is far less of an emotive discussion and usually affects only a small fraction of the population.

    1. Re: American Bubble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So much this.

      As a Canadian, I laugh when Americans refer to their politicians as "left" and "right".

      Our most "conservative" party looks like a "liberal extremist party" to Americans.

      When americans say "average liberal bias" we here in Canada say "yeah, cause that's what centre would be.."

    2. Re:American Bubble by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst your American bubble but there is a simpler explanation: Google searches the web worldwide with the emphasis on "world".

      That is a ridiculous theory, and you would have to be unfamiliar with google to suggest it. Google always biases search results, even if you are not logged in. At minimum it prioritizes content written in your geolocated IP's national language.

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    3. Re: American Bubble by Gonoff · · Score: 1

      "average liberal bias" we here in Canada say "yeah, cause that's what centre would be.."

      That is how the US and Earth agree what is "liberal". The difference is that what is derided as Liberal in the land of the Fee is seen as in the middle ground - the meaning of "liberal" for the rest of us.

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    4. Re: American Bubble by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Looking at Sanders' agenda, it seems pretty typical for what most First World countries actually do. I'd peg him as a centrist on that scale. Would someone more familiar with politics outside the US care to comment?

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  44. Re: "as they say, truth has a liberal bias" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Said the person looking down on those with a different viewpoint, ironically.

  45. They are the results of what people seek. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    Study results aside, Google returns search results that are most likely relevant and ranked by what people looked at in the past. This means, if the first 8 results are no good and everyone clicks (and stays at) on the ninth result, it will make it's way toward number one. Liberal or conservative, these are the pages people looked at the most. It could be more liberal people use Google or maybe conservatives are seeking out results they disagree with but that's not really important. What is important is that Google is simply returning the results that people are seeking.

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  46. credibility by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't trust Google any farther than I can throw them, but they've got orders of magnitude more credibility than the WSJ. There's absolutely zero doubt that each and every murdock "news outlet" has a severe conservative bias. More than four people have confirmed that.

  47. News at 11 by GerryGilmore · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Search phrase wording affects results returned. GASP!!! Almost like the algorithms are working as designed.....

  48. The results are liberal or conservative ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... depending on whether the search is by a liberal or conservative.

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  49. Can you see Google's Code? by s.petry · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I tested the theory several times through the election process. "How do I vote" would immediately fill in "for Hillary Clinton" and the name "Donald Trump" would not appear even when you typed in "Donald Trum". Searching for "Presidential Candidates" would show Hillary and Obama, with Trump being down between 6 and 9 places in the list. When millions of people report the same exact symptom, it no longer remains something you can explain with a personal anecdote.

    Google Management and executives have a bias toward Democratic/Liberal politics. This can show up in their product with relative ease, and if you don't believe so perhaps spend a bit of time with data analysts who can show you how to manipulate data for the effect you want. Study Statistics, which is all about manipulating data for effect.

    While it's true that the study will be accepted by people who have the world view that Google censors content, people who happen to favor Democratic/Liberal politics will disbelieve it.

    Reality is not distorted, only our view of it is distorted. Without facts, such as the question in my subject, we can only speculate on the facts that we do have.

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    1. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I nagged Google News about this. I use an older version of the app and refuse to upgrade to the latest (don't like the GUI -- so my results might be distorted. But I still get articles, all seemingly current in the correct category.)

      I routinely glance thru all of the news articles although don't click down to the details. I occasionally notice a duplicate -- not a new article reviewing a previous topic, but The Exact Same Article after a refresh, mostly in Spotlight. That's fine. Granted I'm reading for news and not examining reoccurring topics; I only occasionally notice them when they occur because they're annoying. I'm sure I miss some that are there.

      But to my point: Spotlight has an article on the evils of Donald Trump. I noticed but skipped it. And then suddenly realized I had seen the SAME article for 3 or 4 days. So I started taking screen snapshots. After a day or two after that I started sending bug reports. After a day or two of doing THAT, I actually opened the article, thinking the "read" flag would have been tripped. I continued to send a daily report. After 10-11 12? days (I'd have to go check but was under 2 weeks) the article finally disappeared.

      Amazing -- this is a single outlier, the ONLY time I've ever seen G News toss up the same heading to read for over a week Every Single Refresh. I've noticed others for only a few days, 3 at most. EVER.

      I was (and am) using old code, I'm sure that was the problem -- if only I'd upgrade this would go away. It's almost like they wanted to make sure I read it if not memorized it by repetition. So: I'm making it up for this paragraph, but I've got actual screen snapshots for the previous one. And it's not like accidents couldn't happen -- but what a odd accident to occur, on a single "stuck" article that's never happened before or since (that I've noticed. Not that I read G News every hour and track every single result.)

    2. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by grep+-v+'.*'+* · · Score: 1

      G News and a ~2 week long stuck article. Thought I was logged in. Sorry. I am now.

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    3. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I tested the theory several times through the election process. "How do I vote" would immediately fill in "for Hillary Clinton" and the name "Donald Trump" would not appear even when you typed in "Donald Trum".

      That's part of a localised results personalised to your tastes. Did you vote for Hillary? Thought so, and so did Google.

      On the flip side Donald Trump was the first suggestion after only typing "Don". But when I type "Hil" I got Hilton as my first suggested result. Damn that conservative bias of Google.

    4. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by pz · · Score: 1

      Do not ascribe to malice that which can be explained by ineptitude. Or something like that.

      My understanding is that the result on Google, both displayed search results and auto-completion suggestions, are based on a large number of factors including (wait for it) your personal past history of typing, and the most popular results.

      Assuming that a "voting for ..." search would autocomplete with both main candidates equally assumes that there are as many people typing one candidate as the other. That is an unfounded assumption that is likely false. I searched a few times for a third-party candidate and lo! my autocomplete changed. The horror! Bias! Lynch them! Or, wait, maybe if I were searching for widgets that might be a good idea. Maybe if I were looking for somewhere to vacation, that might be a good idea. Maybe under circumstances that are not so emotionally incendiary, we might want exactly this behavior because it works very well.

      Any evaluation that demonstrates bias and is shocked by the results (or merely reports them) must prove unequivocally that the assumption of a lack of fundamental underlying bias in the data exists. A fundamental equality of data (e.g. the same number of web sites for the two candidates, the same number of twitter posts, etc.) is unlikely to be true in any of the cases being discussed in this thread.

      In other words, the original posting is not news. It is, to use the current vogue terminology, fake news. Lying with statistics. Click bait. Something to be ignored.

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    5. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, could this be because Trump supporters don't Google for Trump, don't ask how they can vote for Drumpf?

      Because by and large they are conservative white voters who know their voting rights haven't been trampled because they've lived in the same communities for 20+ years?

      Maybe the ranking in results happened that way because both Hillary and Obama have been in the political news for over 8 years, whereas Trump showed up about a year ago?

      > When millions of people report the same exact symptom

      Which symptom is that? References?

    6. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The above post is hereby dedicated to all of you on Slashdot who argued that it isn't racist or sexist or anything like that if it uses a predefined algorithm. You know who you are.

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    7. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tested the theory several times through the election process. "How do I vote" would immediately fill in "for Hillary Clinton" and the name "Donald Trump" would not appear even when you typed in "Donald Trum". Searching for "Presidential Candidates" would show Hillary and Obama, with Trump being down between 6 and 9 places in the list. When millions of people report the same exact symptom, it no longer remains something you can explain with a personal anecdote.

      Sounds like you broke your Google. I typed "do" and got as the top suggestion "Donald Trump"; "hi" and got "Hilliary Clinton"; "pr" and got "presidential medal of freedom". Sometimes you don't know where your Google has been so clean it after every use.

    8. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Motive != Action, and attempting to ascribe a motive without a clear action is futile. What you are arguing is a typical red herring argument so that the Action in question is never fully discovered. Quite a common piece of Sophistry in Politics.

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    9. Re:Can you see Google's Code? by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      I tested the theory several times through the election process. "How do I vote" would immediately fill in "for Hillary Clinton" and the name "Donald Trump" would not appear even when you typed in "Donald Trum".

      That's because Google's AI already figured out that somebody else was voting for Trump on your behalf.

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  50. WYNC's OnTheMedia by bangular · · Score: 1

    There was an OTM episode a few months ago that talked honestly about bias in reporting on gun issues. Most reporters for the main stream media live in large metropolitan areas where guns aren't common (for non-criminals anyway) and their knowledge is extremely lacking. They interviewed a journalist from the midwest that took the MSM to task for getting so many basic things about gun control reporting incorrect. Basic facts like the difference between semi-automatic and automatic weapons and how it amplifies the mistrust of MSM for gun owners.

    For those that don't know, OTM is produced by WNYC, a pretty liberal NPR affiliate.

  51. So? by Berkyjay · · Score: 2

    Go use another search engine that caters to your political persuasion.

    1. Re:So? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...which one is that?

  52. News to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't search for anything on Google without being buried in an ocean of far-right conservative fear-mongering and conspiracy theories. It got so bad that I eventually had to start setting up filters. I happen to live in the South, and I've often wondered if the results I see are targeted to my geography.

  53. It's called a "panel". by denzacar · · Score: 1

    a small group of people brought together to investigate or decide on a particular matter.
    "an interview panel"
    synonyms: group, advisory group, team, body, committee, jury, council, board, commission
    "a panel of judges"

    You know... like those people who score individual performances at sports events... or those people on that supreme court thing...
    Some might even call such a group a "panel of experts".

    On the other hand, "the four people" part seems to be a Wall Street Journal invention.
    All that the actual CanIRank.com analysis mentions is "scorers from both sides of the political spectrum" and that they "were in agreement as to the degree and direction of bias for about half of the results, and were within 1 point on approximately 90%".

    On the other hand, I wouldn't trust someone who references "four people" either. Might as well say "four guys", "four dudes" or "four humans".
    Which leaves us with a question - why would a Wall Street Journal writer use such a 4th grade language when he should know better?
    Particularly when it's a phrase he invented... and he only writes about Google...
    There are other biases out there other than the left- or right- bias.

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  54. DON'T NEED A STUDY TO KNOW THIS... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...only an idiot (aka liberal) would think otherwise.

  55. The Truth Has Power by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Since liberal opinions are far closer to reality, or actuality, if you prefer, then the best answers will tend to be liberal answers. Obviously the cloud of total idiocy covers many conservative minds. You know, dullards like Trumpenstein have conservative and incorrect beliefs and warped minds.

  56. the truth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the truth has a liberal bias, bwahahah

  57. kinda dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the obvious assumption of the critique is that the population of web-pages on any issue breaks evenly across the left and right, or that the number of pages worth linking to do. if 55% of (quality) web pages were "liberal", and you randomly sampled it, then 55% of your sample, on average, is going to be "liberal".

  58. Because the conservative viewpoints aren't valid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They can't be defended.

  59. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is there a bias or are we as people on this planet just more frequently linking to these types of content which influences search results in this way?

  60. China, India, Middle East, Africa by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you just live in a liberal country and get information from a liberal media.

  61. Re:Bias in [current year]? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    This is just basic human nature here. Get a set of results randomly with out any particular bias. Those far on the right will perceive a left wing bias. Those far on the left will perceive a right wing bias.
    Of course, that is also very wrong since there is no clearly defined "center" anyway. It's silly to lump all of politics into left versus right.

  62. Four people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Wow a study based on four people.

    Four people. That's enough to split a large cheese pizza. That's enough to fill a Mini Cooper S. Play double tennis/volleyball, bowling team. Run a dungeon on World of Warcraft. Last but not least, run a polling place during elections.

  63. Needs Metrics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Liberal according to what measure? The German CDU is liberal compared to the US Republicans, and they are liberal compared to the German AfD and other Neo-Nazi parties.

  64. Is this a Joke? by pgnas · · Score: 1

    I hope no one spent any money on this because this is a complete joke.

  65. problem is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Reality has a liberal bias.

  66. "Fake News" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now that Google is talking about deciding which sites are "fake news" and which are not, look for anything that doesn't toe the Liberal Line to start falling in rank.

  67. This doesn't even read like an actual study. by eyenot · · Score: 1

    I have a feeling that whoever put this together did so without any sense of direction, any consideration for experimental control or any other way of offering something in lieu of proof, anything. Just anything, period. This person that did this study and wrote about it has a fucking cabbage for a head. That's how that works.

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  68. New idea: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Any articles that feature the strings 'liberal', 'conservative' or any superlative should immediately be piped to /dev/null and you should volunteer to put your own head in the toilet for wasting everyone's time.

  69. Bias .. with respect to what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is this a bias with respect to the U.S. political center? Then shouldn't this result be expected if Google returns an unbiased view of the Internet? After all, the Internet is much larger than the U.S., and large parts of the world are on the left of the U.S. political center.

  70. Re:Bias in [current year]? by rrohbeck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Reality has a liberal bias too, that's been shown again and again. That's not surprising since the other side is based on beliefs.

  71. But he is right by aepervius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I will explain you why. Most right wing party are what we call "conservative". Which means a tendency to not change the status quo, to ark back to position which static , "what was done before is good enough" etc... It is only a tendency so look at the average. By nature conservative stay on the habitual position we had. The problem is, science and the new technology we have had for the last 100 years and especially 20-30 years are disruptive. New knowledge is disruptive of the habits of the old one. For example science discovered that spanking is contra productive. Science pointed out at global warning. The problem is that that "new" fact , is disruptive of "old" fact. So they go AGAINST the current for conservative. That is why even it is said in jest, science and new stuff , as disruptive of old stuff as they are, have an anti-conservative bias by nature. New discovery by necessity disrupt old habits/old knowledge, and so by definition will be anti conservative. Some people say "liberal" bias but I would say "disruptive" as politically neutral, as some of the cow of "liberals" (I hate those term) are also slaughtered by disruptive new findings.

    So yes, even if said in jest, there is a base of truth in it.

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  72. Google just reflects the web by golodh · · Score: 1
    These results, while in themselves facts, aren't very meaningful facts.

    Just consider this: Google works using a (modified) version of the pagerank algorithm. That algorithm ranks pages on importance as measured by referral links weighted by their rank, etc. etc.. Meaning that if the internet contains more coherent clusters of cross-referring pages of a lliberal/consevative signature referring to a page with a certain match string, those results will end up in Google results. It sort of reflects the intensity of discussion.

    Apparently there are fewer conservative leaning pages in referring clusters than that link to "minimum wage" than liberal ones.

    Surprised?

    Try googling for "protect our second amenment rights" and count the liberal hits.

  73. Not realists by sjbe · · Score: 1

    I have observed that liberals tend to be idealists, conservatives realists.

    Complete nonsense. Conservatives aren't realists at all. They just have different ideals than the liberals but they at least as unrealistic if not more so. Many conservative ideals are not grounded in pragmatism at all. Evidence supported by data seems to be unknown to a good portion of them. Many conservative ideals come straight out of religious dogma which has no basis in objective reality.

    I'm not saying they are necessarily better or worse but to pretend that conservatives are more "realists" than liberals is just ridiculous. They are nothing of the sort as a general proposition

  74. Re:Bias in [current year]? by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 3, Informative

    I suspect if you actually dug into Google's algorithms you'd discover that Google is probably not biased but that the internet almost certainly is

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  75. Conservatives aren't about budget responsibility by sjbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Then respect the conservatives' that the budget won't cover all that, but we CAN afford to do A, B, and C.

    Baloney. The conservatives NEVER argue to cut the things that actually matter from the budget. They just borrow the money instead of raising taxes but are just as irresponsible. Conservatives NEVER bring up cutting social security, medicare/medicaid, or the defense budget which together account for about 3/4 of the federal budget. Any politician that claims to be about fiscal responsibility who doesn't talk about how they are going to cut the defense budget or medicare is lying through their teeth about what the budget will cover. They are unwilling to make the hard choices and cut the programs that matter.

    You could cut every cent of every program except for medicare, medicaid, defense and social security and you STILL couldn't balance the budget. So anyone who talks about "cutting pork" without discussing those four programs is full of shit about being fiscally responsible.

  76. Name ANY conservative and I'll show you by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I have to wonder where you get your news. Name ANY conservative leader and I'll give you some links of them addressing exactly those issues. The leading Republican right now is the guy who was unanimously voted Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan. He said, very clearly, that fixing Medicare is a top priority for the new Congress. The headlines of left-leaning publications currently are things like "Paul Ryan to dismantle Medicare". The LA Times just had that headline, for example. This Washington Post article is a tad more factual.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    I don't know where you've been getting your information, but obviously not from any of the major media. Chris Christie's speeches about Social Security are legendary. So anyway go ahead and name ANY conservative leader and I'll show you video of them covering those topics or specific policy proposals to address them.

    1. Re: Name ANY conservative and I'll show you by shaitand · · Score: 2

      They TALK sure, but they don't do. Instead they actually borrow from the social security coffers which makes it insolvent, then claim it is unworkable because it is insolvent. And they don't even talk about cutting defense spending which is the biggest issue.

    2. Re: Name ANY conservative and I'll show you by david_thornley · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since I have been able to vote (1972), Democratic Presidents have lowered the deficit, and Republicans (with the arguable exception of Nixon) have raised it.

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    3. Re: Name ANY conservative and I'll show you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've seen the same thing... seems obvious, yet somehow it isn't for most folks. I consistently vote against republicans for that reason (and the fact that most are religious zealots these days).

      I've always been an independent voter so I don't care much for either of the two major parties, still waiting for a SANE and viable third party (ain't seen it yet ...sadly).
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    4. Re: Name ANY conservative and I'll show you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since I have been able to vote (1972), Democratic Presidents have lowered the deficit, and Republicans (with the arguable exception of Nixon) have raised it.

      That's great. Congress controls the budget, not the President.
      Just goes to show how little Americans know about how their own government works.

    5. Re: Name ANY conservative and I'll show you by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      The President generally proposes the budget, although Congress has the final say.

      And, no matter if the budget was controlled by Congress or trained pigeons (and I'm not saying which would be better), the deficit has gone up with Republican Presidents (except maybe Nixon) and down with Democratic.

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  77. Not surprising... by Timothy2.0 · · Score: 1

    Is it really a shock that, when asking about liberal-leaning ideas (i.e., minimum wage) the results are more liberal-leaning, and vice versa?

  78. WSJ not credible as arbiter of bias by mikeabbott420 · · Score: 1

    I trust the WSJ to relay corporate press releases adequately but their editorial slant is the sort of murdochian right wing nutjobbery that leads to 'conservapedia'. Anything except extreme climate denialism and laffer curve idolatry is likely to register with them as a liberal plot to destroy america.

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  79. Re: "If it ain't true, it should be", by alfredo · · Score: 1

    was the response of a conservative friend to fact checking of some anti Obama propaganda he Cc'd to our mailing list.

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  80. Need option: IN or OUT of MY SEARCH BUBBLE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Betcha the WSJ's vendor for this story failed to flush cache and use a new plain vanilla account, so what they're reporting is the damned search bubble for their office account or the employee's account.

  81. Largest defense spending cuts by raymorris · · Score: 1

    > And they don't even talk about cutting defense spending which is the biggest issue.

    As far as "the biggest issue", it's about 1% of GDP. That's significant. Obamacare probably has larger economic effects, but 1% is significant.

    Here's a chart of defense spending over 30 years. You can see the largest cuts, which are significant, were the cuts passed in 1989, starting with the 1990 budget and phased in over ten years. You probably remember who was president.

    http://www.usgovernmentspendin...

  82. 1% is much longer term by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I mentioned 1%, then the chart I linked is just since 1990.
    The two don't go together, of course. 1% is a very long term number.

  83. Maybe it's because liberal sites are more truthy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you search for global warming, should you come up with 50% conservative sites that say it doesn't exist?? If you search for "is Trump an asshole", should 50% of the sites say no??? If you search for income equality, should 50% of the sites say poor people are just whiners? Sometimes the truth hurts.

  84. Objective Study? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CanIRank used the opinions of four people to determine how liberal or conservative each website was.

    What? Four people just rank the "liberal/conservatism" of the website? 4 is a very small number, and liberal/conservative is extremely relative. I reject the study on both these measures.

  85. upright poppy syndrome by epine · · Score: 1

    This entire media "bias" meme really separates those who allowed their schooling to interfere with their education, and those of us who didn't. What would unbiased media even look like? I don't know, but it would certainly be a state propaganda feed, because something can only be unbiased as measured against a ratified, societal norm.

    For Act II, how about we stick our little strip of pink/blue bias-detection litmus paper into the baptismal bowl at Lakewood Church? Bias? Just imagine. Part of a giant, orchestrated, financially flush media empire? Absolutely. Harder to Google than the printed word? Who would have guessed?

    There's a good sociological reason Wikipedia is largely authored by literate, STEM-positive, over-educated, middle-aged white males such as myself—many of us keep our Sunday morning calendars free and clear of conflicting obligations.

    Journalism—the kind that operates outside the church—also, tilts toward a literate, STEM-positive, over-educated, professional cadre.

    I once read a book by an IT consultant from way back. (Gerald Weinberg would have been on my desk at the time, but I'm not sure it was him.) As the story went, he was shooting the shit in the cubical of the middle manager who was likely to retain him, and noticed a huge, fancy chart on the wall documenting the weekly software defect rate. Seeing an in, his mouth shot out "looks like you have a problem here with software quality".

    Already steaming, the middle manager shot right back, "what the fuck do you mean?" and proceeded to explain that the chart was just one artefact of an industry-leading quality management program that actually bothered to meticulously self-assess, which was almost unheard of in its time. The consultant had been brought in to forestall future pain, rather than medicate human folly. Lesson learned: think before you assume that smoke means unmanaged fire.

    Journalism self assesses, bias purportedly found (by an otherwise unloved wolf-calling sub-population whose standard of hard thinking is managing to distinguish red from blue along a single axis).

    Wikipedia self assesses, huge pockets of white male nerds discovered.

    The church self assesses, oh noes we've got a few here who haven't swallowed the catechism lock, stock, and barrel; we should redouble our efforts.

    Hmmm, different agendas.

    At the end of the day, bias is mainly found in the organizations leading the curve in self-assessment (not hard to do, as this is so rarely done at all).

  86. Re:Conservatives aren't about budget responsibilit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go back to the Contract with America, the Congress that started in 1995. It was a Republican Congress and Bill Clinton was Pres. They fought him tooth and nail, shutting down the government for weeks, sometimes months on end. They shut down I think it was 13 agencies - totally useless agencies. Interstate Commerce Commission to name just one. If you look at the deficit, starting in 1998 we were doing well and when GW Bush took office, they actually issued a rebate. Of course the Democrats wanted the overpay that the higher paying tax payers contributed to go to the poor. So my refund went to a bottom feeder somewhere. I overpaid my taxes and they got it.

    Part of that contract is that they would do term limits, and they honored them. Unfortunately most were simply replaced by Democrats and things went right back to spend, spend, spend. Then in 2008 with Barry and his buds in a D congress, man did they go hogg wild. They, to this day haven't passed another budget since GW Bush! The one with the auto bailout! Press doesn't say a word, now we're up to a 21 T debt thanks to the Democrats. Democrats often rationalize all this, we prevented a depression (no we didn't if you count everyone on food stamps and such, it's actually worse than the depression), spent on infrastructure and such. We didn't fix the infrastructure or any of that other stuff. It went into things like the Clinton Foundation as we see actual expenditures on some Dept records that actually say that. Barry is well into his millions for his corruption. Goes on and on. They brainwashed everyone into thinking all of this is fine. Brainwashed really well. Even violations of the espionage act - that's ok. If a Republican did it, you'd never hear from them again.

  87. Reality by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

    has a liberal bias.

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  88. Re:Bias in [current year]? by megamind · · Score: 1

    Measuring only US intelligences, that never lived in communism?

  89. Decent effort. I wonder how many noticed by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Just after posting, I realized I had swapped the variables. I figured I'd get about two idiots saying "haha you stupid idiot. You used the wrong variable, so you're a moron." Or perhaps more likely:

    your a idiot you said x not y your stupid fucker

    Your post was slightly more clever.

  90. internet has liberal bias, study finds by locketine · · Score: 1

    There, I fixed the title for ya.

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  91. The seeds of self-delusion by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

    It is a well known fact that reality has a strong liberal bias.

    Correct... although I think it was more correct 10 years ago than it is today. This is particularly evident with issues requiring nuance. With broad brush strokes and in the big picture, liberals still completely blow conservatives away (at least in this country), but I've noticed that they are becoming less and less able or willing to delve into more detailed rational analysis. The obvious examples generally involve calling out the overeager progressives (/ SJWs) on their statistical fabrications, but it's not limited to that.

    For example, in the past three days I've had two people around here foe me for daring to point out things like the fact that Trump did not "admit" to sexually assaulting anyone, but rather was babbling about being a magnet for beautiful women and said that they "let you" do things with them. They don't continue the debate past a post or two; they just shut up and foe me. That let is a very common word with a perfectly agreed-on definition does not appear to matter to these people:

    "They didn't really let him; they were coerced! He was in a position of power!"

    "Well, that may well be, but there's no indication of that on the tape. I'm definitely not claiming he's innocent; I'm just saying that he didn't
    admit to what you (and the New York Times, for crying out loud) are claiming he admitted to. He was clearly engaged in some over the top macho bragging that women were *that into him* that he didn't have to 'wait' for a bunch of tedious flirting or courting. He wasn't bragging about not waiting for any form of express or implied consent; that's ridiculous. The whole context of this cringingly bad boasting is that they know who he is and exhibit attraction to his wealth."

    "But he apologized! Why would he apologize if he wasn't talking about grabbing pussy without permission?!"

    "Uh, well, he was running as a *Republican* and he was caught red-handed talking extremely crudely about extramarital sex. Maybe that might have something to do with it?"


    It seems that minor quibbles like these are conversation-enders with a lot of people these days, even if you include (as I try to remember to do so) a bunch disclaimers about how you're a liberal/leftist, can't stand Trump, didn't vote for him, and acknowledge that he may well have assaulted one or more of the women who accused him. It's fairly astonishing. And worrying. The echo chambers are being reinforced and the heretics cast out... hmm. I confess I was rather looking forward to seeing this kind of self-destruction on the right in this country. This is less fun to behold.

    I guess the bottom line is I'm not sure reality will always have a liberal bias. Don't count on it. Don't take it for granted. I say that partially because we need to constantly strive to stay in touch with the world as it really is, but also I simply don't think the left needs more smugness right now.