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Self-Driving Trucks Begin Real-World Tests on Ohio's Highways (cbsnews.com)

An anonymous reader writes: "A vehicle from self-driving truck maker Otto will travel a 35-mile stretch of U.S. Route 33 on Monday in central Ohio..." reports the Associated Press. The truck "will travel in regular traffic, and a driver in the truck will be positioned to intervene should anything go awry, Department of Transportation spokesman Matt Bruning said Friday, adding that 'safety is obviously No. 1.'"

Ohio sees this route as "a corridor where new technologies can be safely tested in real-life traffic, aided by a fiber-optic cable network and sensor systems slated for installation next year" -- although next week the truck will also start driving on the Ohio Turnpike.

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  1. Still not ready for cities by burtosis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Since the self driving tech for trucks is at least an order of magnitude or two simpler for fair weather freeway driving than real city driving it's likely it will be implemented there first. You could probably cut the workforce in half or even more by employing drivers only at depots located next to freeways to ferry them the last mile or two within the city. Even between cities in bad weather but that will likely will become automated soon enough. It could potentially eliminate 1.5 to even 2.5 million jobs within 5 years if done this way. Probably will bankrupt every truck stop along major freeways costing another 200k jobs.

    On the bright side thus should employ a few tens of thousands to perhaps even 50k skilled H1-B workers. If anyone can think of how these people will find employment I'd be interested to know as I can't seem to think of how it is gonna happen.

    1. Re:Still not ready for cities by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Since the self driving tech for trucks is at least an order of magnitude or two simpler for fair weather freeway driving than real city driving it's likely it will be implemented there first. You could probably cut the workforce in half or even more by employing drivers only at depots located next to freeways to ferry them the last mile or two within the city.

      The government isn't going to let fully automated trucks run around with nobody to watch them any time soon, but they will slip these features into trucks to reduce driver fatigue. The driver is there to watch the truck, and the truck will also watch the driver and wake them up if they're passing out — but also not let them cream anyone. When the trucks can manage a good safety record with babysitters, then they'll be allowed to run around on their own.

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    2. Re:Still not ready for cities by burtosis · · Score: 2

      Since the self driving tech for trucks is at least an order of magnitude or two simpler for fair weather freeway driving than real city driving it's likely it will be implemented there first. You could probably cut the workforce in half or even more by employing drivers only at depots located next to freeways to ferry them the last mile or two within the city.

      The government isn't going to let fully automated trucks run around with nobody to watch them any time soon, but they will slip these features into trucks to reduce driver fatigue. The driver is there to watch the truck, and the truck will also watch the driver and wake them up if they're passing out — but also not let them cream anyone. When the trucks can manage a good safety record with babysitters, then they'll be allowed to run around on their own.

      You may be thinking too sanely. If the incoming administration is as hell bent on bottom lines and profit as any good CEO is this will be a reality in 4 years.

    3. Re:Still not ready for cities by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      The driver is there to watch the truck, and the truck will also watch the driver and wake them up if they're passing out

      Don't forget the dog. You'll always need the dog in these automated systems.

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    4. Re: Still not ready for cities by Type44Q · · Score: 2

      ...but also not let them cream anyone

      The lot lizards'll have a thing or two to say about that...

    5. Re:Still not ready for cities by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're going to find this technology used for platooning long before it is used for unattended driving.
      There were already platooning tests in Europe earlier this year where trucks drove autonomously from all over in Europe and met in Spain without a single hitch. Expect to see this soon.

    6. Re:Still not ready for cities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How long before there are in-trip refueling trucks? After all, there's no need to delay your valuable cargo if there's no driver.

      The automated refueler will just pull in front, stick a pipe out the back end, and pump a load of fuel (which will initially still be diesel, but will eventually be an electric charge dumped from a supercapacitor bank into the rolling truck. Humans have a hard time managing the precise speeds needed, self-driving trucks will not.

      The tech is going to be level 5 very, very quickly. The trucks will go from loading dock to loading dock with no humans, no rest periods, and no need for human support systems like seats, air conditioning, and sleeper cabs.

    7. Re:Still not ready for cities by jcr · · Score: 2

      First of all, fatalities aren't the only accidents. Secondly, you don't have to drive them a hundred million miles to get a statistically significant sample. Thirdly, it's not just trucking companies, but their insurance carriers and all of their customers who will want to see this legislation.

      -jcr

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  2. 10x more job loss than coal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In 2014 there were 1.8 million truck drivers. Average pay was $40K. That's damn good money for a job that doesn't even require a high school education.

    Those people are fuuuuuucked. More fucked than any other industry. More fucked than buggy-whip makers. More fucked than coal miners. In 1980 there were only 230,000 coal miners. Over the last 30 years that's dropped by about 150,000 jobs. But once the they get a working retrofit kit for trucks that are already on the road, the trucking industry is going to shed 90% of their drivers in less than decade.

    And all the ancillary businesses that depend on truckers, like truckstop restaurants and convenience stores, even hookers, they are are fucked too.

    These guys are going to react very poorly to this inevitable future. If Trump's election scared you, get ready from somebody 10x worse when this plays out.

    1. Re:10x more job loss than coal by gtall · · Score: 5, Funny

      "even hookers, they are are fucked too." Surely not.

    2. Re:10x more job loss than coal by burtosis · · Score: 2

      There are around 3.5 million truck drivers employed, not just the 1.8 in big rigs. They are all likely going to lose their jobs and very few of them will have other job experience or training to fall back on.

    3. Re: 10x more job loss than coal by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not everyone can get a PhD or Master's degree. You have to allow for the "stupid" people unless you want to promote extermination, which makes you an even bigger idiot than your comment makes you out to be.

    4. Re: 10x more job loss than coal by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We'll have the rich, the poor, and little in between.

      Perhaps. But thanks to technology, today even the poor live better than kings did a few centuries ago.

    5. Re: 10x more job loss than coal by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Personally I think we should just roll out communism for the lower and middle class masses.

      The bottom quintile (20%) of households already get about 40% of their income from government transfer payments (SS, SSDI, SNAP, etc). As technology improves productivity and reduces prices, that percentage can easily increase.

    6. Re: 10x more job loss than coal by rfengr · · Score: 2

      Maybe not nutritious food to heat up, but frozen burritos can be had for $0.25 each in bulk. Three of those a day and you are set.

    7. Re: 10x more job loss than coal by Dog-Cow · · Score: 2

      Better counterpoint: all of human history.

  3. Not so hasty by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    If the incoming administration is as hell bent on bottom lines and profit as any good CEO is this will be a reality in 4 years.

    It's not like we elected Clinton after all. We managed to elect someone substantially less Ferengi.

    The truckers are the kind of people who voted for Trump so he would be less inclined to hasty adoption of tech to replace truck drivers.

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    1. Re:Not so hasty by stabiesoft · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except trump could give a crap about those people now. They served their purpose. In his world it is definitely what are you going to do for me tomorrow.

  4. Re:What's a Trump voter to do ? by jcr · · Score: 2

    high school graduates who have been coasting through life thinking their whiteness entitles them to a middle class lifestyle are toast. The number of jobs they're intellectually capable of performing is set to dwindle.

    I can say the same thing about anyone with a (whatever) "studies" degree. Making coffee's pretty easy to automate.

    -jcr

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  5. Re:Our Jerbs!! by jcr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Her big fuck-up was basing her entire campaign on the premise that anyone who didn't support her already was an idiot/bigot/misogynist/etc.

    Attacking your opponent is expected. Attacking your opponent's supporters is bloody stupid.

    -jcr

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  6. "MAGA" by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    It is funny how Trump pied-piper blue-collars about bringing jobs back, when he and his coven are for eliminating the minimum wage, privatizing Social Security, raising the retirement age to 70 or higher...



    ... and replacing truckers with bots they don't have to pay.

    1. Re:"MAGA" by ghoul · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He said he will get back jobs. Not that they would be middle class jobs. If the minimum wage in the US is made less than the minimum wage in China and unions are banned , companies will bring back factories. People who work these jobs will just have to get used to living 4 bunkbeds to a room and 6.5 day weeks to be able to afford food. The sick will just have to die as these jobs will not have medical coverage. Also the boss will not give time off to go vote so these workers will not vote out Trump next time around.

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  7. Now how it actually works by fyngyrz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You completely misunderstand how things actually work. A few kids out of 350 million people get shot by some crazy idiot who should never have been on the streets, "we need new gun laws"; one child gets run over, "we need to replace drivers"; a few aircraft are found to have vulnerable cockpits, and no one can ever get on a plane again without ridiculous, expensive security theater (as opposed to actually solving the problem by hardening the cockpits, a one-time cost that doesn't screw your liberties over.) Etc.

    Laws aren't a product of sane, reasonable thinking due to science and statistics. Laws are all about pandering, and pandering depends on getting the mommies to feel protective. All it takes is a corporate agenda -- some profit-making scheme -- to push the legislators where they need to go.

    Basically, for love of money and re-election, congress creates panics to push a particular corporate agenda; that works, and the corporations get their way, the congresscritters get re-elected, and all is well with the world. From their lofty perspective, anyway.

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