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Fearing Tighter US Visa Regime, Indian IT Firms Rush To Hire (moneycontrol.com)

From a report on Reuters: Anticipating a more protectionist US technology visa programme under a Donald Trump administration, India's $150 billion IT services sector will speed up acquisitions in the United States and recruit more heavily from college campuses there. Indian companies including Tata Consultancy Services, Infosys, and Wipro have long used H1-B skilled worker visas to fly computer engineers to the US, their largest overseas market, temporarily to service clients. Staff from those three companies accounted for around 86,000 new H1-B workers in 2005-14. The US currently issues close to that number of H1-B visas each year. President-elect Trump's campaign rhetoric, and his pick for Attorney General of Senator Jeff Sessions, a long-time critic of the visa programme, have many expecting a tighter regime.

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  1. "H1-B skilled worker visas" by sexconker · · Score: 5, Insightful

    H1-B skilled worker visas

    Depends on your definition of "skilled".

    1. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by geekmux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      H1-B skilled worker visas

      Depends on your definition of "skilled".

      At 1/3 of the cost, it's rather irrelevant to those who do nothing but stare at the bottom line all damn day long.

      With those kinds of demonstrated cost savings measures, even system outages perpetuated by a lack of skills are somehow justified.

    2. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by Tangential · · Score: 5, Informative

      At 1/3 of the cost, it's rather irrelevant to those who do nothing but stare at the bottom line all damn day long.

      With those kinds of demonstrated cost savings measures, even system outages perpetuated by a lack of skills are somehow justified.

      This is the BS part of the H1B Fraud that is going on. If you look up the rules around H1-B one of them is:

      You must be paid at least the actual or prevailing wage for your occupation, whichever is higher.

      If this was being done legally, there would be no advantage to displacing the US workers; it would only be used for skills in short supply as it was intended. This law is being totally subverted by Infosys, Tata, WiPro and everyone of their customers that uses such replacements. I think that they would qualify for prosecution under RICO statutes.

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    3. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doesn't even need any changes. They just need to vigorously enforce that rule and the one about the skills not being available locally.

      That's "available" without any qualifier or modifier, not "available at the wage they're prepared to pay".

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    4. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This, exactly.

      These companies, and the companies that hire them, are performing an end run around the restrictions of the law that completely subverts the intent. Specifically, they do this by acting as a middleman, so that a company like Disney (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/25/technology/disney-h1b-workers/) or SoCal Edison (http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-edison-layoffs-20150211-story.html) doesn't actually 'replace' a US worker with an H-1B. Instead, they simply subcontract out the positions (or the entire department) to a company like one of these, who just happens to employ H-1B visa holders working at a cheaper rate.

      This is the loophole that needs to be closed. These companies constitute the lion's share of H-1Bs, and make a mockery of the ones who are actually higher-paid expert workers in critical demand.

    5. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by shaitand · · Score: 2

      Sure but even that gives wiggle room because they can take the average wage nationally instead of locally, allowing them to rural Missouri pay rates to cut metropolitan wages to half the actual prevailing wage. They also create impossible to qualify for postings so they can justify firing or not hiring the US talent and then hire an import worker who doesn't meet those qualifications. You don't have to justify the qualifications of the person you hire, you only have to justify those you don't.

    6. Re: "H1-B skilled worker visas" by oh_my_080980980 · · Score: 2

      This coming from a country (India) that ranks at the bottom of education standards...

    7. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sure but even that gives wiggle room because they can take the average wage nationally instead of locally

      Do you even read?

      From the link above:

      "The prevailing wage is determined based on the position in which you will be employed and the geographic location where you will be working (among other factors)."

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    8. Re: "H1-B skilled worker visas" by shaitand · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'd be careful, those Americans invented most of the technology the rest of the world needs to modernize and those H1B visa workers are coming here to work on.

    9. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      In the rural midwest salaries might top at 55k with the average being $35-45k. In Dallas that range is more $85k-150k

      Already debunked. In theory at least - see Requirement 4.

      https://www.uscis.gov/eir/visa...

      As I said before, there's no need for any new rules - they just need to enforce the existing ones properly.

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    10. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by ghoul · · Score: 2

      They are not breaking the law. They look at a position advertised as needing 4-8 years experience with salary 70-90K as the prevailing wages. They will hire someone from India with 8 years experience at 70K. Over a period of 4 years his salary will rise to 90K. At that point he will probably have a GC EAD and move to a product company to do more valuable work and get paid more. The consulting companies are based on the precept that the work which is outsourced out does not increase in complexity every year so you do not need more and more experienced person to do the same work. Once the person's experience demands a salary better than the billing rate for the position commands he/she is expected to move on to a better job and be replaced with a more junior person. This model does not work for people who expect to work forever at the same position and have their salary go up just because their experience went up. Typically what happens is that a whole department has been around long enough that their salaries have gone up with annual increments to a stage that it makes sense to outsource. The way to avoid H1B outsourcing is to keep moving up the value chain. Either do work not easily outsourced or if it can be outsourced do it with fewer people every year (automation). If you have a group of people with high business knowledge and automation (dont make the automation idiot proof . Focus on efficiency not robustness in the automation) its difficult to outsource

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    11. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Doesn't even need any changes. They just need to vigorously enforce that rule

      Sounds like you're talking about immigration law in general, that everyone is freaking out about on the left with our president-elect. The laws already exist, but what has been happening is "legislation" by the executive branch, by not enforcing law. Another example is the legalization of marijuana at the state level, when it's illegal at the federal level. I'm not attempting to open a debate on whether or not it is right or wrong that the federal government regulates it in the way it does (I am pretty adamant across the board that the Federal government has gotten way too strong and usurped too much power from the states), but what I'm saying is the inaction and lack of enforcement by the executive branch of laws passed by the legislative branch is a misuse of power and an imbalance in the three branches. This has been a problem with previous presidents, but Obama has taken lack of enforcement of law to another level. The judicial branch only gets to rule on cases brought before it, thus if the executive branch does not prosecute in the first place, the judicial branch is also totally removed from the picture.

      So in other words, the left has been flipping out over the mere enforcement of existing laws, and the H1-B enforcement is just another example.

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    12. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by saloomy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll be modded down for this... but there is also I believe a problem with the perception of "skilled" IT labor, and the expectation of lifestyle being in IT brings. You have good people that are even certified in one profession or another (Oracle DBA's, storage admins, etc..) who expect to earn $200k a year when that isn't really feasible most of the time. The education requirements to become decent DBA will be a few years in a robust environment, plus a few months of courses, and voila!

      It's not the same regimen as 8 years of medical school, 4 years of residency, $300,000 in student loans and years of practicing before you earn that much. I know IT pros who legitimately make more than the salaries of senators, and still bitch about how much everything costs and how they deserve to earn more. The market is sorting itself out. There are others out there who can come in and offer a better value, so a better value will end up winning. To have the delusion that it's always because some asshole manager is trying to earn a bonus or pocket from a deal is just not a reasonable view of reality.

    13. Re: "H1-B skilled worker visas" by losfromla · · Score: 2

      I don't mind, I guess having three of their campuses in the top 50 in the world makes them "middle of the pack" (#36 and #42). I know this, they are top tier in India, and presumably their top students made it to UCLA, thus they were more than competitive. Interestingly UCLA placed #16, which is nice considering we suck so bad at the football. This data was 2008 which is ok since I graduated almost two decades ago and so am talking about students in the past though not this exact year, obviously.
      https://www.iitbombay.org/news...

      They appear to have slid significantly since then, now coming in at 103rd. And according to this article http://blogs.wsj.com/indiareal...
      they suffer from factors not having to do with the quality of their graduates or education offered.

      When I was at community college otoh, they weren't quite so ranking as a whole.

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    14. Re:"H1-B skilled worker visas" by just+another+AC · · Score: 2

      ... who expect to earn $200k a year when that isn't really feasible most of the time. The education requirements to become decent DBA will be a few years in a robust environment, plus a few months of courses, and voila!

      It's not the same regimen as 8 years of medical school, 4 years of residency, $300,000 in student loans and years of practicing before you earn that much....

      So you are saying that the only thing that should matter with pay is how hard it is to get "qualified" and years of experience (ie barriers to entry), not market demand, nor skill, ... that is a really screwed up world view.

      What about the people who are naturally good at something. Some people will have more skill/intelligence/... than others several years their senior.

      Under capitalism (even one as heavily distorted as we have), you are paid what you are "worth". If writing a good database can bring $200K/year benefit to the company then it is reasonable to pay them that much.

      The problem is society has started to believe your world view that employees should be paid nothing, but it is reasonable for a CEO to earn 30-100x more than a low level employee. Sure a CEO can have a huge effect on the bottom line, but they don't do that without help of those beneath them (yet they think it is ok for them to reap all the benefits). Every worker in the whole economy should be having higher expectations relative to those at the top. We shouldn't be letting them get away with it.

      Also the entitlement isn't just in IT. It is far worse in the other professions. "If I go to an ivy league school, then do an MBA then I should be middle management and easily earning 200K+" etc etc

  2. Rushing to hire? by tomhath · · Score: 5, Funny

    There aren't any qualified IT personnel available in the US. Otherwise there wouldn't be any need for all those H1-Bs in the first place.

    1. Re:Rushing to hire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      bullshit... tell that to all the IT people at Edison Electric in California that got laid off, and forced to train their H1-B replacements.

      "They're just doing the jobs that americans dont wan't to do"

      Bullshit...

      the actual quote is "They're just doing the jobs that Americans don't want to do at 40% of its valued wages"

      go take an 60% paycut and come back to me with that crap you're sputtering. The people pushing for this shit is HP, Google, and Facebook. They don't think YOU should make $120k a year. They would rather pay an H1-B $40k/yr. Meanwhile they make 7 and 8 figure salaries. Make THEM take an 60% paycut if you're going to fucking cut someone's pay.

    2. Re:Rushing to hire? by tekrat · · Score: 2

      .... and yet you'd probably be the first to complain if we elected someone who wanted to tax the rich bastards at a 50% tax rate, which would benefit everyone.

      That money could be used to feed the hungry, rebuild roads and bridges, pay for basic research that corporations no longer do, and help us pay off the crushing debt we are already under.

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    3. Re:Rushing to hire? by geekmux · · Score: 4, Informative

      The people pushing for this shit is HP, Google, and Facebook. They don't think YOU should make $120k a year. They would rather pay an H1-B $40k/yr.

      Lacking identifiable sarcasm in the parent's post, this fact is not lost upon a single American IT worker today.

      Meanwhile they make 7 and 8 figure salaries. Make THEM take an 60% paycut if you're going to fucking cut someone's pay.

      Uh, you DO realize the reason they can pay themselves 7 and 8 figure salaries is due to the fact they've demonstrated considerable "cost savings" by outsourcing the shit out of the IT department, right?

      In other words, fat fucking chance of them stopping the very activities that feed and justify their obscene salaries and bonuses.

    4. Re:Rushing to hire? by DirkDaring · · Score: 3, Informative

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarcasm

    5. Re:Rushing to hire? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Except qualifications can include pay level.

      I don't know about "can include"... it seems apparent that accepting a ridiculously low salary is the main qualification.

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    6. Re: Rushing to hire? by geekmux · · Score: 2

      There is no moral obligation to pay someone more than someone else who is willing to do the same work for less.

      Quite true. So how much do Indian CEOs cost these days?

      Salaries should be determined by the free market.

      How ironic we label the market that somehow justifies a $500 million-dollar CEO salary as "free".

      The government should only step in on salary regulation if there is some greater good served by said regulation (like, for example, ensuring that the country has a solid supply of internal top-tier technical talent, so as to avoid being left behind in the tech race).

      The greater good in this case would be the qualified and skilled American IT workforce.

      Nobody is ever morally entitled to a high salary. Not the CEO, and not you.

      Now that we've beat a horse named Moral to death, perhaps we could focus on his twin brother Ethics. As an US employee, my company certainly seems to demand I do...

    7. Re: Rushing to hire? by shaitand · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Salaries being determined by the free market is a race to the bottom. There is localized salary variation for a reason, there is a higher standard of living in some locations. The lowest bidder lives in third world conditions, if you want to open an IT shop somewhere with those conditions and sell services to the people who live in those conditions then by all means hire at their local rates.

      But as long as you want the superior conditions found in the US to exist, if for no other reason so that you can benefit from the economic power of selling to the fat US market, you'll need to pay US level salaries to the workers in your US level market. You believe in the free market? The free market is ethic and moral free leverage, squeeze, blackmail do whatever it takes to gain no matter who you burn. Well, the US is an organization with massive economic power and it is just as free to leverage it to the benefit of local workers as companies are to leverage their size and ability to absorb the impact of any one worker being fired to take advantage of staff in employment term negotiations.

    8. Re:Rushing to hire? by ghoul · · Score: 2

      No jobs were outsourced. A function was outsourced to a company and it was upto TCS to decide what kind of staffing to use to execute the program. Those Disney workers could have applied for jobs with TCS. They preferred not to and instead preferred to make it an issue of foreigners taking our jobs. The only way to make them happy would be to specify that anytime a company outsources a function the vendor needs to hire all the employees doing the job currently. Of course there would not be any cost savings then. The whole precept of outsourcing a function is that the vendor can do it better or cheaper (with fewer people). This means they have some efficiencies of scale due to doing the same thing at many differnt installations they can share common resources.

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  3. What "Fresher" Means by RoscoeChicken · · Score: 2

    A "fresher" is someone who is cheap to hire because they don't know sh*t.

    Most of the Indians in my US-based grad program self identify as "freshers". The professors all but beg them not to cheat.

  4. Uneven by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An article in the LA Times describes how un-equal our trade deals are in terms of professions. Doctors and lawyers are protected from much offshoring & visa workers due to various laws and trade agreement exceptions, for example.

    There's no reason law and medical schools couldn't be set up other countries to train remote and visa workers on US law and medical practices. But our rules arbitrary limit or exclude those schools.

    You want cheaper ACA? make outsourcing and/or visa-ing doctors easier. Otherwise somebody who used to make $25/hr at a factory and now making $9 as a Walmart clerk has to pay $200 an hour for a doctor. One is zapped by globalization and one protected from it, creating a huge discrepancy between their service rates. Of course medical care goes up for such people. It's not ACA's direct fault.

    If the impact of globalization is spread around more evenly, then perhaps life won't be so difficult for those subject to globalized careers: their wages may go down, but so will their cost of living as others' wages also go down.

    Trump may be a babbling blowhard, but he has focused attention on this issue. Let's do it right this time: Spread the "love".

    However, something tells me the heavy lobbying money of those professions will buy protection. Blue-collar workers don't have the equivalent counter-bribing force. Lawyers and doctors won't accept a cut without a heavy fight. The rich simply have more weapons.

    1. Re:Uneven by swb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Doctors and lawyers are protected from much offshoring & visa workers due to various laws and trade agreement exceptions, for example.

      Mostly it's because the regulatory bodies for those professions are made up of...wait for it...people in those professions, and they are often statutorily empowered to make rules and often adjudicate problems. So the medical board is run by doctors who, surprise, surprise, rig the rules in their favor and limit qualification for their trade which has the effect of limiting the labor pool.

      In some ways it makes total rational sense, because why wouldn't you want doctors, who best understand the practice of medicine, setting the rules and standards for who can practice medicine?

      On the other hand, the fox is in charge of the henhouse. I had a friend get horrible dental care. In so much pain, he pretty much randomly selected the closest dentist he could get into on short notice and dentist 2 was horrified at the work. Dentist 2 documented everything wrong and what he did to fix it, solving my friend's problems. He submitted a claim to the dental board against Dentist 1 -- only to have the claim rejected as unsubstantiated. And why not? If a bunch of dentists gets to decide what complaints are legitimate, why wouldn't they reject a claim against a fellow dentist, even if another dentist provides documented clinical proof?

    2. Re:Uneven by Tablizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It could be that way first because most polls projected H would win. You want to influence the likely winner. Donations are not necessarily intended to finance campaigns, but to buy influence, and to do that you want to pay the likely winner.

      Trump also baffled the political managers of such organizations who would make those decisions, being T is such a different (non) politician. He was a wild-card that many didn't know what to make of. He won mostly the angry/revenge vote, and those in management of such orgs are doing relatively well because they are managers after all.

      Someone doing well won't want to rock the boat. It's the angry "losers" (for lack of a better term) that typically want to rock the boat. Therefore, those managers didn't feel/understand the revenge/anger angle of Trumpism.

      You have to throw the normal political analysis out with Trump. The books have to be rewritten.

    3. Re:Uneven by Major+Blud · · Score: 2

      It could be that way first because most polls projected H would win. You want to influence the likely winner.

      Fair enough, but the list doesn't look that much different for the 2012 and 2008 election cycles. The Unions have traditionally been heavily Blue since Reagan's first term.

      https://www.opensecrets.org/or...
      https://www.opensecrets.org/or...

      User e432776 below posted that blue collar workers "have been leaving unions for decade". (http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm). There are plenty of reasons for this, but part of it could be that the Union leaders aren't getting the message that their members disagree with who they keep trying to influence.

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    4. Re:Uneven by swb · · Score: 2

      We already have professional regulation for engineers with the PE licensing system, requiring a PE to sign off on a lot of critical engineering.

      I doubt it would be a panacea, I've worked with engineering companies on projects and most of the engineers, while degreed in engineering, were not PEs, and despite being actually college educated in the discipline often approached design issues worse than IT people with minimal formal education.

      I'm kind of surprised we haven't seen PE-style requirements for computer systems yet. Maybe they are required in health care or some critical control systems (possibly as an inherited requirement for the larger "system").

      But like anything else, the reason we haven't is the market's appetite for IT systems is for the most part unquenchable and requiring more intensive certification would balloon IT costs massively. There's H1B pressure on IT workers now because they're scarce enough to still command decent salaries and that's with the labor pool swollen to accept all comers. If you mandate professional certifications, it will dramatically cut the labor pool and force wages too high.

      I'd also question how practical it would be. With physical engineering, there are principles of physics which don't really change. Even Medicine and Law, while they do change, change slowly enough that educations aren't made worthless in 5 years and most working professionals in those fields can get by with continuing education credits and ongoing experience/exposure to new techniques or drugs.

      With IT people, it all changes so rapidly and is often so vendor/product driven that there's few principles outside of information theory or symbolic logic that remain constant enough. Someone certified as an IT professional could literally be functionally deficient in 5 years. We already have treadmills for product certifications requiring renewal every couple of years.

  5. Trivial to stop the abuse by tempmpi · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It seems trivial to stop the abuse: Stop the lottery and replace it with a list ordered by salary and give the visas to the applicants with the highest salaries. This would make hiring H1Bs expensive and limit their use to hiring rare very talented foreigners.

    At the moment H1Bs are broken: The lottery often prevents bringing in highly talented people, while it doesn't matter too much for companies that just want a random cheap semi-skilled person. They just fill a lot of extra applications to get enough H1Bs granted.

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    1. Re:Trivial to stop the abuse by Guybrush_T · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is indeed a good solution, though it may have to be weighted depending on the area, otherwise Silicon Valley will get all the H1-Bs.

      But yes, those three Indian IT companies are the one abusing the system, and it is their fault if H1-Bs are so hard to get. They prevent other companies from legitimately bringing foreign talents by flooding the system.

      So of course they're fearing it won't work long, and I hope it will be the case. I don't really trust Trump to do this smartly, but if at least they can fix the H1-B system, that would be an interesting achievement.

  6. The Big Lie Exposed by byteherder · · Score: 4, Informative

    If there really were a shortage of skilled IT workers in the US, then companies including Tata Consultancy Services, Infosys, and Wipro would not be able to hire anyone and would need to import such workers.

    Since they now are speeding up the hiring of skilled U.S. IT workers, there must not be a shortage to begin with. There by exposing the Big Lie.

    How will Facebook, Apple, Microsoft now react?

    1. Re:The Big Lie Exposed by TigerTime · · Score: 2

      Honestly, they're so big that they'll likely just set up off-shore programming centers in India and not worry about the H1-B visa program. I really don't think it'll affect the corporations TOO much. It will affect the smaller/mid size IT groups that aren't prepared to deal with the hassle of off-shore.

  7. Auction system by Tablizer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    An auction system may reduce riff-raff and "shortage" BS.

    Have a base cap, such as 30,000 skilled visa positions a year, for example. Maybe have another 30,000 slots, but corporations have to bid against each other for them. If there is truly a shortage, they will pay a high wage for them, and select them for actual skill instead of for cheaper bodies who work long hours because they have no family etc. They wouldn't bid on actual people, just the salaries. And perhaps tax some of that to help pay down the national debt.

  8. make the min 100K-120K on W2 and maybe X2 OT by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    Make the min 100K-120K on W2 and maybe X2 OT at 80 hours a week.

    Also cap the number of them at on corp so they can't all be channeled thought some staffing place.

  9. Re:40K is under the H1B min but there are ways by jeauxkewl · · Score: 2

    They should have to pay more than the market wage for an H1B. That would kill off the abuse of the program fairly quickly.

    I'd mod this up if I had points. This is exactly the issue. My proposal: tariff the H1B so the sponsor pays 120% of US landed resource rate and see how many H1Bs are actually required. This isn't about skill. This is about skill at the rate companies think they should have to pay for it and it artificially skews the pay rate downward. I'm all for H1B in its intended form but right now it's an easy ticket to cheap, indentured labor.

  10. Silicon Valley able to cope with Trump regime? by k6mfw · · Score: 2, Interesting

    With all this anti-immigrant attitude that is sweeping the country, and with lots of immigrants here in blue state of California (that appears like a foreign country compared to rest of US in this now Trump administration), where will this put many Silicon Valley companies? I heard Ro Khanna got a lot of backing from many SV companies to unseat incumbent congressman Mike Honda because Khanna is a proponent of more H1Bs (disclaimer: I've not extensively researched the details). I can see why many companies are going to push for more visas in these last two months of current Administration (do it while they can). Anyway, as I see Apple being pressured to bring back jobs to US (yeah, lots of luck with that) then there many other companies either friends with Obama and backed Clinton in the election, how will they fit into the Trump regime?

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  11. Re:I don't have such a jaded view of the visa prog by losfromla · · Score: 2

    So, you are saying that these big banks were unwilling to maintain adequate staff and due to decisions made at the beancounter level, you were left having to staff and destaff continuously. You talk as if these decisions were forces of nature but are in fact perfect examples of why US corporations are fundamentally evil. What they needed to do was staff up adequately and then phase the work in so the necessary crew got to the work when they scheduled it.

    Your now small team is made up of work visa holders because (it sounds like) you are choosing to staff through these same kind of H1B types of staffing companies. Hire in a more "standard" manner and you will start to get normal hires.

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  12. What are great US graduates missing? by AHuxley · · Score: 2

    Every year the top US universities graduate a lot of really great students. They passed exams, know what the US engineering sectors expects.
    The students can get security clearances, know the USA well and work hard. They have a deep understanding of systems and networks.
    What is missing from the mix of students the US educates every year? Are the top % of every year lacking something that every US university cant/won't teach and every US profession wants?
    Have academic entry standards become so lax that very average students are been given top degrees for some reason? Making decades of US grades useless to any US profession?
    Has US academic work drifted so far from what the best US brands and firms need? What are US students doing for a few years then?
    Loans for a few years of campus in a holiday, party like setting? Scholarship not based on merit? Selected STEM but funding goes to arts and sport?
    Why does the USA need to fly in, look after, hire and even grant citizenship later to very average workers from other nations?
    What are other nations doing with education that can totally outclass every US student for generations?
    Do other nations have some merit based Gymnasium https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/..., Institute of technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... schooling?
    Do other nations have merit based public school exams, schooling that only helps the very best students for decades?
    What has happened to US exams and merit based advancement that cant offer US brands and firms what they need?

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