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Nestle Discovers 'Breakthrough' Method To Cut Sugar In Chocolate By 40% Without Affecting Taste (theguardian.com)

Nestle and its scientists have discovered how to "structure sugar differently" to reduce the amount of sugar in some of its products by 40%. What's more is that it can be done reportedly without compromising the taste. The Guardian reports: The new process is said to make sugar dissolve faster so that even when less is used, the tongue perceives an identical level of sweetness. It plans to patent the process, discovered by its scientists, which it says will enable it to significantly decrease the total sugar in its confectionery products. A four-finger milk chocolate Kit Kat currently contains 23.8g of sugar, a plain (milk chocolate) Yorkie contains 26.9g and a medium peppermint Aero has 24.9g of sugar. If the amount of sugar in each of these products was cut by 40% the new amounts would be 14.3g, 16.1g and 14.9g respectively.

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  1. JUST GREAT! by Dutchmaan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now I'll have to eat nearly twice as much to maintain my obesity.

    1. Re: JUST GREAT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      How do you know what shit tastes like?

    2. Re:JUST GREAT! by Shoten · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Now I'll have to eat nearly twice as much to maintain my obesity.

      You laugh...but that's exactly what some people will do if this goes to market.

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    3. Re:JUST GREAT! by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

      Sorry, but they do. I believe that labelling law requires them to do so (at least, in the EU - this is presumably one of the laws that TTIP etc seek to muzzle by bringing standards down to the lowest common denominator, ie, the USA).

      Yorkie has 25% cocoa solids by mass - which surprised me, it's actually more than our UK favourite, Cadbury's Dairy Milk, which has 22%.

      No PGPR, or butyric acid, aka "What vomit smells of", the stuff that makes Hershey's so "special" either.

      I won't buy Nestlé on principle though. They deserve their reputation as "Swiss Bastards". Sadly, Cadbury's is in the process of being ruined by another giant "food" corporation, Mondelez (used to be Kraft), chocolate in the UK has kinda lost it's taste for me.

    4. Re: JUST GREAT! by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's fine. Take a deep breath. Having very small doses of foreign matter in your body strengthens your auto immune system.
      It's how vaccines work.

    5. Re: JUST GREAT! by The+Grassy+Knoll · · Score: 4, Funny

      And homeopathy? :-)

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    6. Re: JUST GREAT! by mycroft16 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Foreign matter, not imaginary matter. ;)

  2. Thanks for doing the math by tomhath · · Score: 3, Funny

    People on slashdot would have a hard time multiplying a number by 0.4

    1. Re:Thanks for doing the math by hey! · · Score: 5, Funny

      People on slashdot would have a hard time multiplying a number by 0.4

      Indeed they would not. However they do sometimes stumble about when to multiply a number by 0.4.

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    2. Re:Thanks for doing the math by freeze128 · · Score: 5, Informative

      If the amount of sugar was *CUT* by 40%, slashdot readers would have to multiply by .6.

      See, math isn't always so simple, is it?

  3. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    Because that wouldn't cut Nestle's sugar costs by 40%?

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  4. What?!?! by freeze128 · · Score: 5, Funny

    a plain (milk chocolate) Yorkie contains 26.9g

    Oh my God! They're eating DOGS!

    1. Re:What?!?! by Rei · · Score: 2

      Why can't they just eat horse like normal people?

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    2. Re:What?!?! by serviscope_minor · · Score: 2

      Why can't they just eat horse like normal people?

      We do, but only when hidden in cheap Tesco ready meals.

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    3. Re:What?!?! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      A local pub used to make really great lasagna. Then the horse meat scandal broke and they brought us a leaflet explaining that they had checked and guaranteed that from now on their beef really was beef and not equine. From that day on the lasagna sucked.

      If they offered horse meat lasagna on the menu I'd still be going there.

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  5. or how about less sugar anyways? by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly I prefer european chocolate as it's not as overwhelmingly sweet. and anyone that actually likes chocolate likes a good dark chocolate that is already not as sweet.

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    1. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      I used to get into my mother's semi-sweet baking chocolate when I was a child. The ass whipping was worth it. I too like a good dark chocolate.

    2. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Rei · · Score: 2

      I live in Europe and where I am milk chocolate is more popular. Although the type is more like Dove milk chocolate than Hershey's.

      I personally do prefer dark, though.

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    3. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by AJWM · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Hershey's is something almost but not completely unlike chocolate.

      (Hey, I grew up on Nestles and Cadbury, both in England and Canada.)

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    4. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Anaerin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed there is. The milk they use for Hershey chocolate is partially lipolyzed, producing butyric acid, which stabilizes the milk from further fermentation.

    5. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Namarrgon · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's also worth noting that butyric acid is the main source of the smell of human vomit.

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    6. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 4, Interesting

      After living overseas for 15+ years, I've found I can no longer eat American chocolate--it's about 3x as sweet as chocolate made anywhere else. It's like trying to drink a cup of coffee with about 6 spoons of sugar in it. Gross.

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    7. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by ChrisMaple · · Score: 2

      The mealy texture is caused by improper storage.

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    8. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by tsa · · Score: 2

      Everything in Europe is better than in th US.

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    9. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by BDeblier · · Score: 2

      Anybody who's a least a bit chocoholic should try Belgian chocolate. We may not be a chauvinistic country, but we all agree that we've got some of the best beers, and definitely the best chocolate. According to Belgian law, US chocolate cannot even be called chocolate. It has be labeled 'cocoa fantasy'. Chocolate can only be made with cocoa butter - no cheaper fatty substitutes allowed. And of course, to mask the shitty flavor of those ersatz fats, more sugar has to be added to US 'chocolate'.

    10. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Informative

      Part of the reason everything is better in Europe is because of the high taxes. Low taxes lead to inequality, which leads to civil unrest, which leads to suffering. It's like the path to the Dark Side, but for civil societies.

      The happiest nation on Earth, Denmark, has

      • Federal income tax up to 15% for higher earners
      • Healthcare tax
      • Land value tax
      • Local income tax too! Around 25%
      • There is a ceiling on income tax though ; you can't pay more than 51.5% when all income taxes are added up
      • There's a 25% sales tax on nearly everything though
      • They even have a tax on stupidity being a member of the state church.

      Taxes are good for the health of a civil society Why do you think the happiness levels in the USA correlate so strongly with the drop in tax levels promoted by the richest?

    11. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Whorhay · · Score: 2

      I just can't understand why people insist on ruining perfectly good sugar by putting coffee in it.

    12. Re:or how about less sugar anyways? by Major+Blud · · Score: 2

      Part of the reason everything is better in Europe is because of the high taxes. Low taxes lead to inequality, which leads to civil unrest, which leads to suffering. It's like the path to the Dark Side, but for civil societies.

      The happiest nation on Earth, Denmark, has

      • Federal income tax up to 15% for higher earners
      • Healthcare tax
      • Land value tax
      • Local income tax too! Around 25%
      • There is a ceiling on income tax though ; you can't pay more than 51.5% when all income taxes are added up
      • There's a 25% sales tax on nearly everything though
      • They even have a tax on stupidity being a member of the state church.

      Taxes are good for the health of a civil society Why do you think the happiness levels in the USA correlate so strongly with the drop in tax levels promoted by the richest?

      You're really oversimplifying things. One could also make the argument that Denmark is happy because most everybody there is white:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      They even have a tax on stupidity being a member of the state church.

      How does that work? Is one religion taxed more than others? Good luck trying to get that to work in the U.S.

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  6. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by alzoron · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because the goal is to not make the chocolate taste like shit.

  7. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't know what this sugar configuration they've come up with tastes like so I can't compare but if it tastes the same as their regular sugar then that is a big improvement over splenda. Splenda is an excellent sugar substitute but it's doesn't taste like sugar.

  8. Nestle by frovingslosh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, but Nestle "chocolate" already tastes awful. I'm not shocked that they can't ruin it further without taking over Palmer or Zacarey.

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    1. Re:Nestle by jandersen · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes I agree, I live in central Europe and if you ever have tasted LÃderach (Swiss) or Bachhalm or Zotter (Austrian) you would not touch any Nestle dreck with a 10 ft pole.

      If you really lived in Central Europe, you would know that Poles, although excellent people, rarely get that tall.

  9. Simple, ypu cut everything else by 40% too by rossdee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except price which you increase

    ?????
    profit

    1. Re:Simple, ypu cut everything else by 40% too by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think that Toblerone just patented that innovation.

  10. A real "breakthrough" by guruevi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In the mean time "real" dark chocolate already has 14g or less sugar per serving. They do this by using real cocoa instead of sugar and wax as a filler.

    US chocolate brands are absolutely awful and sweet.

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    1. Re:A real "breakthrough" by JoeyRox · · Score: 2

      The reason they add sugar to chocolate is to make it palatable. Some grow to enjoy dark chocolate but most find its flavor abhorrent.

  11. Texture? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

    A big part of the chocolate 'experience' is the texture. Sugar does more than just provide sweetness its also a 'wet' ingredient in most cooking. Its also highly soluble in saliva, what does this do the creaminess?

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    1. Re:Texture? by aXis100 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The main textural components in chocolate come from the cocoa mass and cocoa butter.

      Creaminess comes from particle size, and the cocoa mass (and sugar) spends hours and hours in conching mills to get it around 20-30 micron. The mixed chocolate then spends a long time in tempering circuits to promote the right crystal size in cocoa butter fatty acids.

  12. Like all their other "no change" changes by linear+a · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Like all their other "no flavor change" changes to their chocolate over the decades. This will just cheapen it a little bit more. They used to have good chocolate (maybe I'm showing my age with that remark) but it's bilge now. “There is hardly anything in the world that someone cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper." John Ruskin

  13. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Pseudonym · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's simpler to eat dark chocolate like a civilised person.

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  14. on the other hand ... by swell · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Many years ago I learned about 'left handed sugar'. This, apparently was a regular sugar molecule, except that it was a mirror image. The beauty of it was that it tasted exactly like sugar but the body didn't know what to do with it so it passed through without harm. Perfect for diabetics, fat people and those who want to preserve their brain cells!

    Yeah, I really didn't want to look it up and you probably don't either, so the answer to your question is: it's very expensive to synthesize. The actual question may take some time to calculate.

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  15. If you need sugar in your chocolate.... by DRichardHipp · · Score: 2

    ... then you don't need chocolate. Just say'in.

  16. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I would argue that the first step in realizing that goal is to avoid Nestle products at all costs.

  17. Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

    Years ago, I used to *love* Nestle's plain chocolate bars (the ones in red wrappers with white writing that were basically "Nestle Crunch, without the 'crunch' part".

    At some point over the past 20 years, they silently vanished from the shelves of American stores (though Nestle Crunch remains), and Hershey's vomit-flavored chocolate was all that remained. Well, and Dove... Dove is better than Hershey's, but not as good as I remember Nestle chocolate being.

    Hopefully, this will be the game-changer that gets Nestle back into American stores & breaks Hershey's hegemony.

    1. Re:Maybe NOW we can have Nestle chocolate back by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well, and Dove... Dove is better than Hershey's, but not as good as I remember Nestle chocolate being.

      Dove does taste better than Hershey's but please note that it's intended to be a body soap.

  18. Re: Why not just use Splenda? by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Informative

    Splenda by itself doesn't quite taste like sugar. Combining it with acesulfame potassium neutralizes the 'off' taste (Pepsi has a patent on it... it's why the semi-new Diet Pepsi without aspartame tastes so good, and why Diet Coke -- even with Splenda -- is still kind of gross.)

    UNFORTUNATELY, AceK is even more unsuitable for baked, cooked, or melted foods than aspartame, so it's a one-trick pony that only works for cold beverages (but, combined with sucralose, works miracles).

  19. Nestle didn't discover anything. by Khyber · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is something well-known to anyone with actual culinary experience. See sea salt vs table salt. Same principle applies to sugar - make if finer, you find that you actually end up using LESS because of more even distribution for same effect.

    Nestle is literally trying to patent that which has been known for fucking centuries by any generally-knowledgeable housewife or cook or chef.

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  20. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

    If you're going to go all pedantic on me, let's talk about that little difference between history and prehistory of which you appear to be blissfully unaware.

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  21. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Funny

    How the hell do you raise your tail?

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  22. Re:No you won't. by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sugar is worse than fat. Fat doesn't spike your insulin making you hungry again shortly afterwards.

    The start of the real obesity epidemic in the USA correlates strongly with the research that sugar companies paid for that painted fat as the enemy, and the frenzied replacement of fat in many food products with sugar. See "low fat!" on a label? They had to find something to replace it with, and that was usually sugar.

  23. Nope. by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Informative

    Parent post is inaccurate and shouldn't be modded informative.

    Dark chocolate still has sugar in. It doesn't have milk in like milk chocolate.

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    1. Re:Nope. by CheeseyDJ · · Score: 2

      Dark chocolate still has sugar in. It doesn't have milk in like milk chocolate.

      True, but it usually has significantly less - it depends how bitter you like your dark chocolate.

      Also, some of the sugar in milk chocolate actually comes from the milk (milk is about 5% sugar IIRC).

  24. Re:No you won't. by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Far too simplistic. And your point doesn't seem to be correct based on the article itself. The obesity epidemic didn't start in the USA until the 90's, and there were far more factors then just "fat and sugar." The 90's also had the "children should say in side" actors spouting off all the time, coupled with the "stranger danger" garbage painted by the media. The lack of actual exercise and all that has more to do with this.

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  25. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    AFAICT, different people react to different sweeteners differently. Some people think saccharin tastes just fine, for instance, while others think it tastes like shit. Stevia seems to be especially controversial; to me it tastes really nasty.

    It's not just sweeteners: some people like the taste of cilantro, but other people think it tastes like soap. This is actually controlled by a gene, which has been identified IIRC.

    I'm like you: I think all the artificial sweeteners taste terrible. However, I also think HFCS tastes terrible. Corn syrup (and its close relative HFCS) isn't just pure glucose and fructose; it still retains molecules from its corn source which affects its flavor. There's a reason that Coca-Cola made south of the border with real sugar has a certain popularity here: it really does taste different than the HFCS version. There's even a conspiracy theory that the whole "New Coke" thing in the 80s was a plot to switch the public from sugar to HFCS, since the "old Coke" was made with sugar, and then the "Coke Classic" was made with HFCS: by the time Coke Classic finally came out, everyone had forgotten what the old Coke tasted like and was just happy to have something similar-tasting back.

  26. Re:Why not just use Splenda? by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    What's insane about that? Fructose is a poison. Of course, sucrose has fructose in it (after it's broken down by sucrase enzyme in your body), but that's better than pure fructose. Fructose is like alcohol: it has to be processed by your liver. It's OK in fruits because the total amount of it isn't that much (whole fruits are mostly fiber), but in large, concentrated amounts it's not good for you. And of course, sucrose isn't "healthy" either, but it's better than pure fructose.