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Hackers Steal $31 Million at Russia's Central Bank (cnn.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the foiled-again dept.

The Bank of Russia has confirmed Friday that hackers have stolen 2 billion rubles ($31 million) from correspondent accounts at the Russian central bank. Central bank security executive Artiom Sychev said it could've been much worse as hackers tried to steal 5 billion rubles, but the central banking authority managed to stop them. CNNMoney reports: Hackers also targeted the private banks and stole cash from their clients, the central bank reported. The central bank did not say when the heist occurred or how hackers moved the funds. But so far, the attack bears some similarity to a recent string of heists that has targeted the worldwide financial system. Researchers at the cybersecurity firm Symantec have concluded that the global banking system has been under sustained attack from a sophisticated group -- dubbed "Lazarus" -- that has been linked to North Korea. But it's unclear who has attacked Russian banks this time around. Earlier Friday, the Russian government claimed it had foiled an attempt to erode public confidence in its financial system. Russian's top law enforcement agency, the FSB, said hackers were planning to use a collection of computer servers in the Netherlands to attack Russian banks. Typically, hackers use this kind of infrastructure to launch a "denial of service" attack, which disrupts websites and business operations by flooding a target with data. The FSB said hackers also planned to spread fake news about Russian banks, sending mass text messages and publishing stories on social media questioning their financial stability and licenses to operate.

78 comments

  1. Please do something about the headline! by bogaboga · · Score: 1

    Hackers Steal $31 Million From at Russia's Central Bank

    Doesn't sound right, or does it?

    Emphasis mine.

    1. Re:Please do something about the headline! by BeauHD · · Score: 2

      Fixed; thanks for the heads up!

    2. Re:Please do something about the headline! by ketomax · · Score: 1

      In the motherland Bank steals from Hackers.

    3. Re: Please do something about the headline! by Jesus+H+Rolle · · Score: 1

      In Soviet Russia people rob bank!

    4. Re:Please do something about the headline! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they were present at the bank when they stole it ?
      Or were they somewhere else and stole from it by digital means ?

  2. CNN = Fake News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't trust anything from their site anymore. I'm going to see what RT has to say about this... Oh the irony!

    1. Re:CNN = Fake News. by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If you think that RT, the mouthpiece of Vladimir Putin, has more credibility than CNN, you are an idiot.

      Or perhaps more likely, a Russian propaganda troll or an "alt-right" Trump fan. Hard to tell the difference anymore.

    2. Re:CNN = Fake News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      CNN and Fox are more about feelings than facts.

      Basically the news today is mostly (not all the time) presented like this:

      News Caster 1: 'Here is some news..'
      News Caster 1: 'And now here is what I think about this news'
      News Caster 2: 'Yeah, and here is what I think about it'

      The same applies to writing/publishing website stories with cute rhyming titles and photos that are probably altered to support the particular slant.

    3. Re:CNN = Fake News. by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      "If you think that RT, the mouthpiece of Vladimir Putin, has more credibility than CNN, you are an idiot.

      Rufus the desert blogger UFO crank has more credibility than today's CNN.

    4. Re:CNN = Fake News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't trust anything from their site anymore. I'm going to see what RT has to say about this... Oh the irony!

      Can't fix stupid.

    5. Re:CNN = Fake News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, yet CNN is still more credible than RT.

    6. Re:CNN = Fake News. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't trust anything any government says.

  3. can't convince me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That this wasn't done by Putin. Call it a conspiracy theory but the guy is dirtier than dirt.

    And now he has a reason to invade the netherlands... or something suitably nasty.

    1. Re:can't convince me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but first he needs to wait Americans to invade some of Arab states!

    2. Re:can't convince me... by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      Wait?!? We have been doing this for the past 16 years are you fucking blind?!

    3. Re:can't convince me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other than Iraq and Afghanistan, what else have they invaded? Nothing.
      They helped Europe invade Libya. They did not invade Syria. They have stayed out of the rest, unless you count helping Kuwait be restored back in the 90s.

      Windbourne (moderating).

  4. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Jill Stein's campaign announces a 27 million dollar donation for recounts in additional states.

    1. Re:In other news by skam240 · · Score: 2

      Please, it's not America's Left that has been getting help from Russia all this time. Far from it.

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    2. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They've been getting more than enough help from Islamic nations to make up for it.

    3. Re:In other news by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 0

      It's a joke. Laugh. Another nail in the coffin for the humorlessness of the Left - as long as it involves them as the butt of the joke. They're perfectly OK ridiculing the fuck out of everyone else, up to and including the point of cruelty. Most recently Rosie O'Donnell ridiculing Trump's son. How low do you have to go?

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    4. Re:In other news by skam240 · · Score: 1

      You're basically saying "the Left can't take a joke" and "the Left's jokes are too mean". Now I'm not commenting on the validity of your comments but do you not see the contridiction in what you're saying?

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    5. Re:In other news by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "It's a joke. Laugh. Another nail in the coffin for the humorlessness of the Left "

      And sadly, it was not always thus. The left's main power source today is not those pinwheels and mirrors it keeps pushing, but the rapidly rotating corpses of Bruce, Sahl and Carlin.

    6. Re:In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a joke. Laugh. Another nail in the coffin for the humorlessness of the Left - as long as it involves them as the butt of the joke.

      Actually, the crux of the joke was that it was a bunch of vigilante hackers donating money to Jill Stein, money stolen from Russia, in order to contest Trump's election. You mis-explained it. They weren't the butt of it at all.

      They're perfectly OK ridiculing the fuck out of everyone else, up to and including the point of cruelty. Most recently Rosie O'Donnell ridiculing Trump's son. How low do you have to go?

      Oh no, just like people did with Malia and Sasha, yet you're remarkably indifferent to that. And Chelsea Clinton. And even Carter's.

      You've lost the holier-than-thou game, you won't condemn any of those offensive remarks. I expect you to sputter and try to excuse them.

      I bet you can't even suggest that Donald Trump should refrain from some of his foul language. Really, ridiculing the fuck out of everyone else, up to and including the point of cruelty? That describes him.

      You're too tainted to try to make this argument. Your house is made of glass.

  5. Why can't they roll it back? by drew_kime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Serious question: In Debt of Honor there was a hack directed against the NYSE. They rolled back all transactions for the day. In a bank hack no one took physical cash. If they can show the transactions were fraudulent, why can't they just reverse it?

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    1. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, unless they managed to withdraw this huge amount of cash somehow they should be able to rollback the transactions. This is not bitcoin.

    2. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of the other banks (that got paid off) will let them roll it back? I kid, I kid! Everyone knows bankers are honest folk.

    3. Re: Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the hackers withdrew physical cash after transferring it, duh.

    4. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Patent+Lover · · Score: 1

      Big difference between real world and Tom Clancy world. For reference, see every book he wrote.

    5. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 4, Informative

      In theory they could.

      The basic problem is that it's equivalent to the Russian government printing 2 billion rubles and handing it to the bank to replace a physical theft. There's still the matter of the stolen 2 billion rubles floating around out there. If you don't deal with that somehow, by tracing it down and freezing/deleting it (at which point you're effectively returning it), then all you've done is magically create 2 billion rubles.

      Needless to say, this can lead to some serious problems in the long run.

    6. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What problems?

      Scarcity? Wasn't Putin driving over crates of tomatoes from Europe a while ago? Inflation? The thieves would spend it all in one place and drive up prices because inflation is a necessary mathematical consequence of creating money? And yet the Fed's ~ $4 trillion, on record at least, money creation didn't cause inflation?

      The quantity theory of money is wrong. Empirically. Deal.

    7. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Enigma2175 · · Score: 2

      Serious question: In Debt of Honor there was a hack directed against the NYSE. They rolled back all transactions for the day. In a bank hack no one took physical cash. If they can show the transactions were fraudulent, why can't they just reverse it?

      For some of it they did:

      Hackers tried to steal 5 billion rubles, but the central banking authority managed to stop them and redirect the funds, according to central bank security executive Artiom Sychev.
      "We were lucky to return some of money," said a central bank spokesperson.

      That's the transfers they were able to unwind. The other transfers went to non-cooperating banks, or more likely were broken up and bounced from bank to bank and one of the banks in the chain won't play ball.

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    8. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While that is true, the SEC reverses transactions at the request of market movers quite often. See the legal requirement that you must have liquidity in your account such that you can cover past transactions for three days. Many break that law, but it's there so the SEC can hit the undo button whenever they want.

    9. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Inflation is the short answer, yes. There's a bit more to it though.

      The more detailed answer is that "money", whether it's physical bills/coins, bitcoins, or digits in an account on a computer, is just a proxy for real things - goods and services. Direct barter is pretty inefficient, in terms of time/effort/etc, so we abstract it with money. Now, while there's really no upper or lower bound on how much 'money' there is, there's a finite amount of physical goods and other productivity in the economy at a given time. Ideally, we'd have a perfect 1:1 ratio so that the amount of money flowing around matches the amount of physical goods/etc. In practice it's pretty difficult to actually do that to an exacting amount, so keeping it reasonably balanced is one of the primary responsibilities of a country's central bank, like the Fed.

      The economy is generally growing, which means more goods and services, which means more money is needed to keep pace. Inflation isn't inherently bad, not in small amounts. It's only when inflation goes high that it gets bad. More importantly, negative inflation (deflation) is really really bad, because in that situation, the economy grinds to a halt because nobody wants to spend money (because it'll be worth more tomorrow), and we get into a nasty cycle that's hard to break out of - one that usually requires a lot of inflationary pressure to counteract, such as printing money or a central bank injecting more funds like the Fed did. Otherwise, if the government isn't willing to do enough, you wind up like Japan with your economy stuck in neutral for a decade or two.

      So back to the question of reimbursement for bank theft losses - sure, you could probably absorb one or two of these without any real economic impact. The problem tends to come in the long run when you've established a policy of doing so, because it can quickly get out of control - try explaining why you'll reimburse Alice but not Bob for their losses.

    10. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      World capital exceeds world GDP by a factor of ten. See Bain & Company, A World Awash in Money:

      total global capital will expand by half again, to an estimated $900 trillion by 2020 (measured in prevailing 2010 prices and exchange rates). More than any other factor on the horizon, the self-generating momentum for capital to expand—and the sheer size the financial sector has attained—will influence the shape and tempo of global economic growth going forward.

      World capital is close to $1 quadrillion; world GDP is much less than a tenth of that. Your story about 1:1 ratio of money to real goods is of by an order of magnitude. Finance relaxes your imagined economic constraints on money creation. Your idea of money is quaint and obsolete.

      See Why Is Money Difficult?:

      The first and largest barrier is what I call the “alchemy of banking”. Banks make loans by creating deposits, expanding their balance sheets on both sides simultaneously. This process apparently offends common sense understanding of what it means to make a loan—I can only lend you a bicycle if I already possess a bicycle. Even more, it seems to go against a fundamental principle of elementary economics that “there ain’t no such thing as a free lunch”. Against this resistance, I insist that the essence of banking is a swap of IOUs.

    11. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because as soon the money is trasferred to a new account, it will be trasferred to many other accounts in different country.

      How can you roll back all this transaction? How do you convince all this foreign country bank, to give back this money?

    12. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Serious question: In Debt of Honor there was a hack directed against the NYSE. They rolled back all transactions for the day. In a bank hack no one took physical cash. If they can show the transactions were fraudulent, why can't they just reverse it?

      For Russians a publicity stunt that costs 27 millions is pennies. Why the fuck would they want to roll that back?

    13. Re: Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They cant reverse it because it is an unbelievably crap system. I actually cannot understand why the crims bother transferring money. They can simply create money out of nothing and deposit it in their own accounts.: Transfer $1000, modify the transaction to $1000,000 while in transit. Both banks will be happy. Maybe this already happens...

    14. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, you are completely wrong - money is not just a neutral veil over barter. We moved on from this simplistic way of viewing money, over 80 years ago.

      The creation of money, funds investment (about 97% of all money comes from bank loans, which then get invested), leading to the creation of new goods/services etc. - money is not a just a proxy for real things, it is a necessary requirement for their production, and neither does the value of money fall into an equilibrium, which is representative of the cumulative value of all goods/services - it's not that simple.

      An economy the size of Russia's, can handle the creation of a mere $31 million dollar equivalent of funds, with virtually no repercussions whatsoever.

    15. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So why didn't America get inflation when they printed trillions and gave it away to the banks?

    16. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      > negative inflation (deflation) is really really bad, because in that situation, the economy grinds to a halt because nobody wants to spend money (because it'll be worth more tomorrow),

      This is a fallacy, because most people need to spend most of their income on immediate needs (food, mortgage/rent, utilities, car payments, gasoline, etc.). Therefore the economy will still function. For the people who have surplus income to invest, they already calculate a "real rate of return" by subtracting inflation from the nominal rate of return (i.e. measured in inflating currency). Thus if your stocks went up 2%, but inflation was also 2%, your real return is zero, because you can only buy the same amount of goods and services as the original investment could. If inflation was -2% (deflation) instead of +2%, it doesn't affect the method to calculate of real return, only the value you subtract. The market values of various investments would adjust to yield the same real return they do now. This is no different than what happened in past times when the inflation rate changed from one value to another.

      This discussion applies to *mild* deflation, on the order of a few percent per year. Rapid deflation and rapid inflation are both bad. We have an example of the first in India, where they are trying to suddenly withdraw large bills from circulation, disrupting the normal flow of funds. We have an example of the second in Venezuela, which is now probably classed as hyperinflation (>100%/year)

    17. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by SlaveToTheGrind · · Score: 1

      They weren't able to roll back most of the transactions because they happened over the course of the year. From TFA:

      Editors note: This story has been updated to clarify that the losses cited from cyberattacks at Russia's central bank were for 2016, not a single attack.

    18. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

      In Russia, a planned publicity stump costs exactly 2 Billion rubles because that is almost certainly exactly what this was.

    19. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Serious question: In Debt of Honor there was a hack directed against the NYSE. They rolled back all transactions for the day. In a bank hack no one took physical cash. If they can show the transactions were fraudulent, why can't they just reverse it?

      In Dept of Honor, only the transactions with US exchanges where both sides were recorded and could be changed were rolled back. External transactions were beyond their control.

    20. Re:Why can't they roll it back? by drew_kime · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Looks like other people were wondering the same thing.

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  6. Poor hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Dead men walking! Get a good last look at these hackers, here - they're dead men walking!

  7. Central bank replenishes correspondent accounts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No one loses. No harm, no foul. Track the $31 million in rubles if you can. Money need not be so scarce that it incentivizes theft.

  8. All your rubles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are belong to US.

  9. No Fury by sexconker · · Score: 1, Funny

    Like HRC scorned.

    1. Re:No Fury by ISoldat53 · · Score: 1

      Tit meet Tat

  10. This would have never happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...if they were using bitcoin

  11. And so it begins.... by imadeyoureadpoop · · Score: 1

    Seems entirely relevant

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    1. Re: And so it begins.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      From that article: The response will be "proportional," press secretary Josh Earnest said, without elaborating. He said the actions would likely not be announced ahead of time and could never be made public.

      This, and Bush's was, is unconstitutional... how can we even be talking about attacking another nation under the table? If they are cyber-attacking us then we need to declare war the right way, with Congress. Doesn't mean we have to send troops... but stop all friendly relations, prohibit travel, trade, etc., and mobilize our country for defense against their cyber attacks... both in education, job training, architecting network products with more security, and deploying counter measures.

      But all of it must be public, because the last thing we want is some other country reacting with physical violence to someone's private war we didn't know anything about, and therefore are not prepared, and are susceptible to propaganda from our own government telling us... fake news.

    2. Re: And so it begins.... by cavreader · · Score: 2

      "how can we even be talking about attacking another nation under the table"
      Nations have been attacking one another "under the table" since the dawn of civilization. Some are just better than others when it comes to gathering intelligence and running counter intelligence operations. And foreign intelligence operations are not unconstitutional. The key word being "foreign". The only rule when conducting foreign intelligence operations is don't get caught. That's why everyone's foreign embassies are staffed with intelligence officers who manage and conduct HUMINT operations against the host country. If something goes awry they are covered under diplomatic immunity.

  12. I think the First Internet War by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    is on.

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  13. I Guess Snowden Needed by zenlessyank · · Score: 1

    some spending money.

    Party On Ed!!

  14. $31 million is pocket change by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2008 Wallstreet bank crash was how many $Trillion to cover those fake mortgage assets?
    Madoff stole $65 *BILLION* with his ponzi scheme. Investors putting money into fake inflated assets, with costs being paid out of their capital till.

    These Russian hacks are pocket change.

    If Madoff had been elected President, he'd have gotten away with it too. He could have cooked up deals to turn his fake assets into real dollars, pardoned his children for their involvement when he left, and walked away with a smirk on his orange face, wondering how on earth people could be so gullible they didn't even read the publicly disclosed accounts! Yes... Madoff would have done that.

  15. I wonder if folks who can steal this amount by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would also have street-teams around Europe waiting to withdraw as much of the cash as they could.

    Like they already have done in other cases like this.

    Nah, I'm sure you're smarter than them.

  16. Bread lines and the ruble by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well the good thing is since the ruble is worth so little 2 billion rubles will be barely missed.

  17. Can't they trace where it went by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Serious question: Surely transferring money leaves audit trails? One account is debited while the other is credited.

    Does this not leave a record that can be traced?

  18. For the Bank of Russia it's not even pocket change by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's just numbers on a spreadsheet. The Bank of Russia is Russia's central bank and there is literally no amount of money you can steal from a central bank that will harm it. That's because they're the people who issue the fiat in "fiat currency".

    The harm is to the economy as a whole, in the form of inflation. In this case we're talking about the release of thirty one million spurious extra bucks into a two trillion dollar economy. Just a tiny bit of inflation, diluted to homeopathic concentrations and applied to everyone who uses rubles.

    Of course the bank has to pursue this because it undermines confidence in the system, but this is as close to a victimless crime as any illegal way of obtaining thirty-one million dollars can be.

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  19. Let me guess... by Nikkos · · Score: 2

    The Russians did it.

  20. forgot the link: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.perrymehrling.com/2015/06/why-is-money-difficult/

    What is the point of throttling my comment rate, so I have to wait 6 minutes before I can correct an omission in the previous post? What is the point?!?

    1. Re: forgot the link: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point is to turn off wifi and switch to cell to bypass it. I don't know what Slashdot's point was.

  21. Re:For the Bank of Russia it's not even pocket cha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You assume the quantity theory of money with a constant velocity. But the quantity theory of money is not supported by empirical measurements. The quantity theory of money predicted hyperinflation due to the Fed's QE. No such hyperinflation was observed. The quantity theory of money is false. Intellectual honesty demands you stop predicting inflation as a result of money creation because the model has failed so many times.

  22. Re: You reap what you sow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no russia has been publizised massively.

  23. Re:For the Bank of Russia it's not even pocket cha by hey! · · Score: 1

    I assume that thirty one million dollars in a two-trillion dollar economy won't be noticed by anyone -- except, obviously, the people enjoying it.

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  24. Re: You reap what you sow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    during the cold war you would hear all about russian spys and other things but nothing about american inititaves does that mean theres was none?

  25. you say 2 billion rubles... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But we all know it was 2147483647 rubles, don't we...

  26. this is the fbi hackers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hehe haha hoho its the fbi doing it.....

  27. A: Because it breaks the flow of a message by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

    Q: Why is starting a comment in the Subject: field incredibly irritating?

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  28. Where does the money go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everytime I read a story like this I wonder where the money goes. It seems absurd that the money gets transferred electronically to an account and then disappears. Surely the government can identify the bank accounts involve and follow the money.

    1. Re:Where does the money go? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would a foreign bank want to give the money back to Russia?

  29. really possible hacker stole money in bank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i love hackers but don't know a little bit?
    really possible hacker stole money in bank?
    i cannot believe that hacker do that
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  30. Big Brass Ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It takes some serious cajones to steal from the most powerful kleptocracy on the planet. You would be better off trying to pickpocket a mob boss.

  31. Begun by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    the clown war has.

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  32. It's Not Like They Weren't Warned by Toad-san · · Score: 1

    Russia's been one of the biggest sources of hackers, Internet attacks, online fraud, credit card theft, and the like for years now, and they've done damn all about it.

    Serves the bastiges right.

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