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Drupal Event Apologizes For Giving Out Copies Of Playboy (drupalcamp.de)

An anonymous reader writes: The organization team for a regional Drupal event apologized Thursday for distributing copies of Playboy to attendees. The magazines were distributed in welcome bags, according to a statement from the organizers of DrupalCamp Munich, and "were provided by Burda, a major German publisher, who also provided other technical magazines as part of their sponsorship. These magazines were approved for inclusion by the camp organizers.

"At the time, we thought it would be a good idea, as playboy.de was one of the first major Drupal 8 websites ever released. Upon reflection, this wasn't the best idea, and the magazines have been removed... It was a decision made in poor taste, and we regret it.

The inclusion of the magazine had attracted criticism on Twitter from both male and female developers, with one writing sarcastically, "Dunno about you, but I only read playboy.de for the Drupal code."

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  1. Nobody wants to see nude women by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's why they included Playboy.

  2. Why is this an issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Playboy no longer has pictorial spreads. They are basically a rich man's Maxim.

    1. Re:Why is this an issue? by Sartr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Anonymous fuckwit: the guy just said that women are no longer being objectified - the magazine is owned and run by a woman and there's no longer photo sets! Idiot, I swear.

    2. Re:Why is this an issue? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Right now there is a naked woman on the front page of playboy.de. I think the ending of nude pictures only applies to the US edition.

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    3. Re:Why is this an issue? by amiga3D · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is confusing. I see women every day who state they hate being objectified as sex objects and then show up with a mini skirt that shows the curvature of their ass and shoes with 7 inch heels. I'm almost 60 now and my urges no longer have the overwhelming power they did when I was 20. Still I thank God that women in my day didn't dress half as slutty as they do now or I'd have had problems for sure. The shit in Playboy today is tame by street standards.

    4. Re:Why is this an issue? by Pluvius · · Score: 2

      Nudes have been removed from the magazine, not the website.

      Rob

    5. Re:Why is this an issue? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's actually really simple. They don't want you to treat them as sex objects. Don't want to be grabbed or leered at, want you to look at their face when talking to them, judge them by their work rather than the curvature of their arse etc.

      In the same way, I prefer to be judged not by my receding hair line or expanding belly, or my disability, or any other irrelevant physical attribute. Judge my work on its merits.

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  3. What's the big deal? by tylersoze · · Score: 3, Informative

    Playboy stopped having nude women in it like a year ago right?

    1. Re:What's the big deal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Playboy stopped having nude women in it like a year ago right?

      It's the principle. I'd feel a bit ripped off if I'd been promised a free copy of playboy and it didn't even have any naked women in it.

    2. Re:What's the big deal? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i highly doubt it. No one else (except maybe China?) has problems with (and laws prohibiting) nudity like the Americans do.

    3. Re:What's the big deal? by Bruce+Perens · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Playboy departed the nude photo market due to the vast and unending supply of photos and video of all manner of naked people doing sexual things which one can access via the Internet.

      However, one can make a case that a good deal of the past content of Playboy was about objectifying women and to some extent the publication still is about that.

      It was a dumb decision. Several people just weren't thinking. They're embarrassed now. They learned, and won't do it again.

    4. Re:What's the big deal? by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      Considering casual nudity is common enough in Germany I wonder why you'd think that. It's not the US. I remember when there while serving in the US Air Force in the late 80's seeing topless or nude models in advertisements occasionally.

  4. Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by bjdevil66 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...from a PR standpoint. This doesn't exactly help the perception about how misogynistic web development environments are for women. And the last thing a somewhat fading development platform (at least outside of large enterprise) like Drupal needs is for something to fire SJWs up...

    Where was the, "Das ist eine wirklich schlechte Idee?", leadership from the conference organizers in Munich?

    1. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think SJW's need to grow up.

    2. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What exactly is misogynistic in Playboy? You do know that women chose to act and chose to be in Playboy? And here I am, thinking we are living in a progressive society where women have full responsibility and control over their bodies. We are not in Saudi Arabia, are we?

    3. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. At the next event they should put Playgirl inside instead.

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    4. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We are not in Saudi Arabia, are we?

      Some of us are. I've no idea where you are.

    5. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Feminist message is that women need to be protected.

    6. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by Oligonicella · · Score: 4, Insightful

      SJW's and (actual) alt-righters have two things in common, they raise a lot of ruckus and their numbers are not that large.

    7. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by iggymanz · · Score: 2

      funny, women in porn and who do erotic photo shoots often say they feel empowered by doing so. Their body, their choice to display it and all that

    8. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I need a chrome extension that, whenever it encounters "SJW", replaces it and everything that comes after it with "... never mind, I'm a moron."

    9. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm happy to have the US military protecting me from those things I cannot protect myself from. You know, actual threats.

      I don't need anyone protecting me from photographs.
      I don't need anyone protecting me from mean tweets.
      I don't need anyone protecting my feelings.

      Do you understand the difference? Everyone needs protection from superior firepower, but mature adults do, in fact, take all of the responsibility for their feelings, for their sense of being offended. If you claim someone needs their feelings protected, then you are, yes, claiming they are a child, or at least not a mature adult. It's not complimentary.

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    10. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      I need a chrome extension that, whenever it encounters... never mind, I'm a moron."

      Replaced that for you!

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    11. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      This is true of course, but that's not the objection mainstream feminism has to Playboy.

      The main objection is that it evaluates women on their looks, rather than their accomplishments or talents. It tries to be serious about it, which is just weird. Imagine if Time decided to throw in some nudes of Elon Musk, along side his interview... Airbrushed of course. Or if male actors did it to prove they were still hot enough to get roles at 30.

      It's not puritanical, it's an issue with treating women differently and to a lesser extent using their bodies to sell magazines which perpetuates the idea that the female body is a commodity.

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    12. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I need a chrome extension that, whenever it encounters... never mind, I'm a moron."

      Replaced that for you!

      We'll have moron that later.

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    13. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      So, if someone secretly photographs you masturbating and posts it online, you're fine with that?

      As long as they get my good side

      But someone else may need protection from your mean tweets, and those of others. Cyberbullying has driven many people to suicide.

      Two thoughts on that. One is that there had to be other issues for it to get to a suicidal state.

      Second is that children are not taught how to deal with bullies these days. Actually, they never have, but the special snowflake self esteem culture has backfired badly. Even when I was bullied back in Junior High, the school was no help. So I ended up tking care of it myself one day.

      But kids today have been given the idea that nothing bad should ever happen to them, and if they get into any trouble like a fight, their life is over. They won't get into the right college, the right career, and they are FAIAP finished.

      Part of learning how to grow up is learning how to deal with bullies, because they will be their your entire life.

      And a cyberbully is so much easier to take down than a physical one.

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    14. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by dbIII · · Score: 2

      It's the "religious" nutters who need to grow up while those you are calling "SJW's" probably go to burlesque shows.
      I put "religious" in quotes since there are a lot of people who go around telling everyone how holy they are but if Jesus turned up they would call him a Commie and bang in the nails. The actual religious people who actually go around helping people probably couldn't care one way or another about issues of Playboy.

    15. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      If Elon wants to expose his ding dong in Hong Kong, he can have at it.

      That's completely missing the point. The issue is that it has become almost mandatory for women in some professions, and they can't avoid being judged by their bodies in others. We see it with politicians a lot, with the media often commenting more on their looks than on their policies.

      Men are all lumpy and bumpy and seriously prone to protruding bellies, and the females are the beauties, with pretty nice symmetry, and normally much better looking faces.

      I'm guessing you are not gay then.

      Anyway, as I say, it's not some puritanical thing about nudity, it's the way that women's bodies are exploited or distract from their other qualities that feminists object to.

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    16. Re:Ok with porn or not, that was genuinely stupid by cryptizard · · Score: 2

      I mean, neither of those is okay at a professional event. I don't understand why this is a hard concept...

  5. Pricipal Skinner quote by Kludge · · Score: 2

    "The shapely female form has no place in Art!"

  6. Re:Hand out Playboys at every tech conference... by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't understand. This doesn't keep them away. It draws them in. Those who are always looking for something to be outraged over must seek out new sources for their outrage.

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  7. Re:They only show gorgeous women by Rei · · Score: 2

    Please ignore the correlation between "looks" and genetic indicators of reproductive health

    That would be a nice argument if there was some universal agreement on what is attractive. In some cultures, thin is attractive. In others, fat. Some places like women who stretch their necks out. Others like their feet bound to the point that they can hardly walk. In Meiji era Japan, it was seen as attractive for women to paint their teeth black. Do you find that hot? There is no single standard of beauty. You cannot just declare yours to be universally applicable.

    The majority of "beauty" traits have nothing to do with genetic indicators of reproductive health. That said, there are some. For example, for both sexes, "clear skin" is usually desirable, as that is an indicator of immune system fitness. And of course standard secondary sex characteristics, including having typical voice ranges appropriate to their sex, muscle mass in men, in women breasts and wide hips, etc. But the majority of the specific details that make up the "look" of an attractive man or woman versus other men and women in their society are simply cultural.

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  8. Women read Playboy too by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Are you you some kind of anti-LGBT freak or victorian prude? Lots of women enjoy female nudity.

    They should have included a copy of Playgirl magazine also, then it would have been even more equanimous. Taking out the magazine was the wrong thing to do.

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  9. Where most are too fat, thin is in. Where starving by raymorris · · Score: 3, Interesting

    > . In some cultures, thin is attractive. In others, fat.

    Specifically, in cultures in which the majority of people are overweight, where obesity-related causes such as heart disease are the most common causes of death, thinner than average tends to be a) healthier and b) generally considered attractive. In cultures in which food is scarce and malnutrition is a widespread problem, being heavier than the average starving peon is a) healthier and b) generally considered attractive.

    Some people enjoy an excess of whatever is physically good, as if their libido thinks "if some is good, more is better". A plentiful supply of milk is good for reproductive odds, some guys enjoy very large breasts (where medium is sufficient); if a lot of people are malnourished thicker is healthier, and to some people very thick is very attractive.

    Fashions vary, but standards of what turns people on is more the same across cultures than is different. (Especially when you factor in that "healthier than average weight" is the criteria - that may be thicker or thinner, depending on if the average is obese or malnourished).

  10. Re:Fire up SJWs, make my day by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I, for one, simply enjoy [watching SJWs] froth about human traits. They've been trying to shame us all into suppressing them for too long.

    There are plenty of human traits that we suppress with laws. Traits like violence (which can cause injury or death), negligence (see violence), avarice (which can cause theft), and so on.

    There are other human traits whose consequences do not rise to the level required to suppress with laws, but they are discouraged through social mores and codes of conduct. Traits like impatience (which causes people to butt into lines or disrupt public gatherings), gratification (which leads to people doing things that disturb others in their presence, like farting or smoking), and so on.

    And there are other human traits that may be offensive to some, but we agree collectively to tolerate nonetheless. Traits like self-validation (which can lead to a talker trapping you in a conversation), or stubbornness (which limits what you can accomplish in a relationship with someone.)

    Whether we decide to suppress, discourage, or tolerate a particular human trait comes down to what extent the exercise of that trait can cause harm to others.

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  11. Re:They only show gorgeous women by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Attractiveness, for whatever reason, is de-facto an indicator of reproductive potential.

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  12. People need to chill by XXongo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Really, people need to chill out. When absolutely everything gets you offended, really your offendedness is meaningless.

  13. Playboy counts as a technical magazine? by Knuckles · · Score: 2

    From TFS:

    "were provided by Burda, a major German publisher, who also provided other technical magazines as part of their sponsorship.

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