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Drupal Event Apologizes For Giving Out Copies Of Playboy (drupalcamp.de)
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The organization team for a regional Drupal event apologized Thursday for distributing copies of Playboy to attendees. The magazines were distributed in welcome bags, according to a statement from the organizers of DrupalCamp Munich, and "were provided by Burda, a major German publisher, who also provided other technical magazines as part of their sponsorship. These magazines were approved for inclusion by the camp organizers.
"At the time, we thought it would be a good idea, as playboy.de was one of the first major Drupal 8 websites ever released. Upon reflection, this wasn't the best idea, and the magazines have been removed... It was a decision made in poor taste, and we regret it.
The inclusion of the magazine had attracted criticism on Twitter from both male and female developers, with one writing sarcastically, "Dunno about you, but I only read playboy.de for the Drupal code."
"At the time, we thought it would be a good idea, as playboy.de was one of the first major Drupal 8 websites ever released. Upon reflection, this wasn't the best idea, and the magazines have been removed... It was a decision made in poor taste, and we regret it.
The inclusion of the magazine had attracted criticism on Twitter from both male and female developers, with one writing sarcastically, "Dunno about you, but I only read playboy.de for the Drupal code."
That's why they included Playboy.
Playboy no longer has pictorial spreads. They are basically a rich man's Maxim.
Playboy stopped having nude women in it like a year ago right?
...from a PR standpoint. This doesn't exactly help the perception about how misogynistic web development environments are for women. And the last thing a somewhat fading development platform (at least outside of large enterprise) like Drupal needs is for something to fire SJWs up...
Where was the, "Das ist eine wirklich schlechte Idee?", leadership from the conference organizers in Munich?
"The shapely female form has no place in Art!"
But the feminized SJWs here think that being whiny bitches about a magazine is their path to getting laid.
Bad news, losers, it doesn't work.
Another unintentionally revealing post.
Those are the best kind.
at least outside of large enterprise
Large enterprise is the only thing that matters. There's a reason Acquia has consumed the entire fucking ecosystem, save for a few also-rans and a smattering of clueless development shops.
something to fire SJWs up
SJWs have already been a problem in Drupal, so I'll certainly agree there. But this isn't even SJW-level insanity.
This is common fucking sense - you don't distribute porn like this, regardless of how long Playboy's been sucking at the Drupal teat.
...if it succeeds in keeping Social Justice Warriors away.
If it works there, then we can expand the process to science fiction conventions...
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
That you are a pussy? We already knew that...
HBI's Law: Frequency of calling others Nazis is directly correlated with the likelihood of the accuser being Communist.
That would be a nice argument if there was some universal agreement on what is attractive. In some cultures, thin is attractive. In others, fat. Some places like women who stretch their necks out. Others like their feet bound to the point that they can hardly walk. In Meiji era Japan, it was seen as attractive for women to paint their teeth black. Do you find that hot? There is no single standard of beauty. You cannot just declare yours to be universally applicable.
The majority of "beauty" traits have nothing to do with genetic indicators of reproductive health. That said, there are some. For example, for both sexes, "clear skin" is usually desirable, as that is an indicator of immune system fitness. And of course standard secondary sex characteristics, including having typical voice ranges appropriate to their sex, muscle mass in men, in women breasts and wide hips, etc. But the majority of the specific details that make up the "look" of an attractive man or woman versus other men and women in their society are simply cultural.
People said I was dumb, but I proved them.
Are you you some kind of anti-LGBT freak or victorian prude? Lots of women enjoy female nudity.
They should have included a copy of Playgirl magazine also, then it would have been even more equanimous. Taking out the magazine was the wrong thing to do.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
> . In some cultures, thin is attractive. In others, fat.
Specifically, in cultures in which the majority of people are overweight, where obesity-related causes such as heart disease are the most common causes of death, thinner than average tends to be a) healthier and b) generally considered attractive. In cultures in which food is scarce and malnutrition is a widespread problem, being heavier than the average starving peon is a) healthier and b) generally considered attractive.
Some people enjoy an excess of whatever is physically good, as if their libido thinks "if some is good, more is better". A plentiful supply of milk is good for reproductive odds, some guys enjoy very large breasts (where medium is sufficient); if a lot of people are malnourished thicker is healthier, and to some people very thick is very attractive.
Fashions vary, but standards of what turns people on is more the same across cultures than is different. (Especially when you factor in that "healthier than average weight" is the criteria - that may be thicker or thinner, depending on if the average is obese or malnourished).
I, for one, simply enjoy [watching SJWs] froth about human traits. They've been trying to shame us all into suppressing them for too long.
There are plenty of human traits that we suppress with laws. Traits like violence (which can cause injury or death), negligence (see violence), avarice (which can cause theft), and so on.
There are other human traits whose consequences do not rise to the level required to suppress with laws, but they are discouraged through social mores and codes of conduct. Traits like impatience (which causes people to butt into lines or disrupt public gatherings), gratification (which leads to people doing things that disturb others in their presence, like farting or smoking), and so on.
And there are other human traits that may be offensive to some, but we agree collectively to tolerate nonetheless. Traits like self-validation (which can lead to a talker trapping you in a conversation), or stubbornness (which limits what you can accomplish in a relationship with someone.)
Whether we decide to suppress, discourage, or tolerate a particular human trait comes down to what extent the exercise of that trait can cause harm to others.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
In first-past-the-post politics you only need a minority of people to vote for you. In business you need to care about the majority.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Attractiveness, for whatever reason, is de-facto an indicator of reproductive potential.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Great. You bang the fat chicks and leave the others to us. Sounds like we have a deal. And your repetition of Cultural Marxist memes will be deeply appreciated by the fat chicks, while the others just prefer real men who are confident and have no problem nor illusions with the mating game being the jungle rules it actually is.
I'm not digging at you, I'm digging at the crazy memes. Accept reality - your genes want to reproduce and while there is some cultural variation of beauty, signs of unhealthiness (away from average) are repulsive to anyone not sufficiently indoctrinated to the Cultural Marxist memes flooding the developed World.
Really, people need to chill out. When absolutely everything gets you offended, really your offendedness is meaningless.
>In business you need to care about the majority.
The majority of what? The majority of the US population? The majority of the Earth's population?
Business work by finding an audience/market and catering to them. The focus is on keeping that group happy and buying your product, whether they be a small niche or a massive group.
If an issue is likely to divide that group you appeal to, it's best to stay away from it generally. (this specific issue probably fits vaguely into this category, while not making a huge statement or gigantically controversial, its still likely to generate some argument within their audience and probably best avoided).
However if your market largely agrees on an issue, and your marketing can play to that issue but is likely to offend a completely different group, then in a strictly business sense you should press on with that marketing campaign and increase sales (unless you plan to one day expand your market to include that different group)
From TFS:
"were provided by Burda, a major German publisher, who also provided other technical magazines as part of their sponsorship.
"When I first heard Daydream Nation it quite frankly scared the living shit out of me." -- Matthew Stearns
In summary:
GP: long, well thought out post illustrated with relevant examples.
You: YOUR RONG!111
SJW n. One who posts facts.
There are going to be people that say things or publish things you find distasteful. If you don't like it don't partake in that activity/event/business/group/etc.
Are you under the impression that when people get offended they somehow have legal power to make you stop saying the offensive thing? They are fighting speech with speech. What mental gymnastics do you have to jump through to believe that people should be able to say the things you agree with but then when people don't like those things they are not allowed to argue back?
Not really, no. Wide hips indicate that a woman is likely to be able to bare children more easily, and have more of them. Youthful looks indicate, well, youth, which means more years of fertility left and more chance of surviving childbirth.
Neither of those traits are universally accepted as attractive.
Think about this. In many parts of the world breasts are no big deal. Women go around topless all the time. It's particularly common in parts of Africa and South America. Men there don't have the breast fetish that most men in cultures that cover breasts up do. In other words, such things are largely social constructs and biology has relatively little to do with it.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Nice post, but no coment, I don't like playboy
But does that make the culture evil if one particular type of male or female is considered attractive?
Even then, people who complain about whatever it is tht is popular have zero inhibitions about persecuting those who might fit that definition naturally. Like my wife. Slender, tall, and could have been a model but went into business instead. The amound of sheer hatred she has recieved from these poor women who are destroyed by just seeing her has been quite impressive. But that's not the mainpoint of my comments.
Because believe it or not, there are people out there who prefer all kinds of body types, sothere's no need to get slender models banned form magazines.
Some guys even like hevy women. One guy on my Hockey team liked girls ost of us considered fat. Penthouse Magazine featured rather curvy women. For some reason, women with absolutely huge buttocks are in style right now.
Even different facial characteristics are appealing to different people. What floats our boats is not remotely universal ( which of course ties into your different cultures statement.
Women - and it seems to be women mostly - who are angered by the sight of a woman who does not look like her, have other hangups than just getting angry that this woman is being objectified, or that males only like that kind of woman's physical traits.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
> . In some cultures, thin is attractive. In others, fat.
Specifically, in cultures in which the majority of people are overweight, where obesity-related causes such as heart disease are the most common causes of death, thinner than average tends to be a) healthier and b) generally considered attractive
Yet who is considered to be ultimate hot right now? Kim Kardashian, whom I considered to be about as sexy as a side of pork. But a fair number of guys like that look with enormous buttocks and a lot of fat. And that's okay, people like what they like. But it sure as hell isn't a one size fits all world.
What I'm waiting for is demands for ugly modles so that ugly women don't feel put out. I'll bet that is coming. Why not? If Barbie can cause a girl to become bulimic, and if slender models make normal women feel inadequate, there are unattractive women out there who must be devastated every time they open a fashion catalog and see a pretty woman.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Attractiveness, for whatever reason, is de-facto an indicator of reproductive potential.
We gotta get to work then.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Great. You bang the fat chicks and leave the others to us.
You do know a lot of guys like fat chicks don't you? I prefer mine tall, thin and long legged.
And your repetition of Cultural Marxist memes will be deeply appreciated by the fat chicks, while the others just prefer real men who are confident and have no problem nor illusions with the mating game being the jungle rules it actually is.
It really isn't cultural Marxism, it is women who have some serious issues and choose to consider men liking slender women as the source of those issues. Psychologists will tell us that people who have a ready target for their problem actually have a different source of the problem. It isn't men, it isn't tall slender women, it is an internal mental issue, not any political party affiliation.
Accept reality - your genes want to reproduce and while there is some cultural variation of beauty, signs of unhealthiness (away from average) are repulsive to anyone not sufficiently indoctrinated to the Cultural Marxist memes flooding the developed World.
I do think you are on to something here, just not the commie part. Let me explain. I have a really good sense of smell. And people smell different. I'm pretty darn certain that I'm not homosexual because I don't like the way guys smell. And those tall slender women I prefer? They smell extra good to me. From 10 feet away - no need to creep on them.
And I'm not talking about unwashed body odor or perfume, I just mean a clean inherent smell. All women smell good, and they physical type I'm most attracted to smells best - to me.
Now most people don't have such a sensitive sniffer, but I'll bet they are still sensing what smells good even if they don't consciously or actively notice it.
And there ya have it - chemical attraction - a conjectural explanation for why different men like different types of women. Could be wrong, but maybe the nose knows.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I agree that all sorts of chemicals, not just the famous pheromones, are detectable by the sexes. However, despite your gift of olfactory sensitivity, a lot of factors go into the mix of attraction - particularly for women, who seem to have a lot more complex set of desiderata when mating. This makes sense, given the level of commitment required on their part for the continuation of the species.
With regard to the 'Cultural Marxism' bit. Many people don't comprehend this fully. The Cultural Marxists did not invent the feminists crazies, what they did do is notice that matched their agenda of Critical Theory and then handed a megaphone over. This is why the blue haired freaks foam at the mouth at 'mansplaining' but deliberately ignore Sharia clitorectomies and other barbarities, and when pressed will actually *defend* Islamic misogyny. The 'feminism' is what the rank and file believe, but the reality is that 3rd Wave Feminism is not about equality but about Cultural Marxist Critical Theory to demoralize Western resistance to Marxist revolution (as ex-KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov explains, a pair of talks you can dial up on YouTube if you want to understand why feminism attacks fictitious misogyny in the West and defends real misogyny elsewhere). This is not an accident. This is why the media highlights certain narrative and completely ignores others. Just so you know :)
I agree that all sorts of chemicals, not just the famous pheromones, are detectable by the sexes. However, despite your gift of olfactory sensitivity, a lot of factors go into the mix of attraction - particularly for women, who seem to have a lot more complex set of desiderata when mating. This makes sense, given the level of commitment required on their part for the continuation of the species.
Well, I didn't say they thought I was worthy. Just giving a possibility for the diffrent attractions, and that they happen to line up in my case. I probably have the stability and monetary possessions that many like, but I'm not looking.
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With regard to the 'Cultural Marxism' bit. Many people don't comprehend this fully. The Cultural Marxists did not invent the feminists crazies, what they did do is notice that matched their agenda of Critical Theory and then handed a megaphone over.
And it is failing miserably. The entire social project of demonization of males has reaped the reward of men giving up on the idea of relationships with women. While the crazies are obviously kooky, even the typical modern young lady has become a little difficult to be around. If I was a present day young male, I would be concentrating on my career. This is a risk/reward issue.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Just wrong time and place - remember the ridiculous storm in a teacup over a bare nipple at the superbowl?
The same sort of fuss applies here.
In Meiji era Japan, it was seen as attractive for women to paint their teeth black. Do you find that hot?
Yeah, actually, although it is might be an acquired taste. The whole color-scheme of the face probably needs to change.
I agree with your point though, what is thought of as attractive can change dramatically even within a few years.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
"German publisher, who also provided other technical magazines"
There do seem to be some in the slashdot crowd for whom Playboy content would be considered technical information. Read and learn young code warrior! The world is a better place for men and for women when you grasp these principles.
...omphaloskepsis often...
The problem with MGTOW is that society needs to reproduce to survive. As the great Mark Steyn saysm "The future belongs to those who show up for it". The First World are not having children at replacement rates. Perhaps the West-hating Left intended this as a result of abortion and feminism, but possibly not - perhaps that is just another unintended hideous side-effect of their stupid ideology.
There are decent and realistic women out there. They just don't get any coverage. Men should choose wisely (as should women).
OK genius, explain peacocks.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
See my reply to your sockpuppet.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
OK, sure. Humans are peacocks so that everything that applies to peacocks applies in exactly the same way to humans.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
In business you need to care about the majority.
Too bad many businesses are happier to cater to those screaming ctrl-leftists, and ignore those in the majority. Then again, with the gaming press it sure back fired on them. All those people who published the "gamers are dead" articles are no longer in the industry and the sites that pushed it all have had a significant drop in traffic and have yet to recover. Several of those sites lost so much traffic that they were killed by their parent company. One can also see this with "The Red Pill" documentary here in Canada, a theater decided to bow to the almighty feminist horde and withdraw a screen rental. Their sales have already dropped 30%
Om, nomnomnom...
I don't have any, so you are going to have to specify who you replied to.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
You can't reproduce with an airbrush.
They could at least go the traditional route and hire scantily clad booth babes to piss people off. Women with huge breasts need jobs too, you know.
The problem with MGTOW is that society needs to reproduce to survive.
Of course. Its other problem is is is mostly populated by bitter fucks.
As well, the decision to change one's focus in life from pursuing a couple arrangement and reproduction to other things is done on a personal level, not a social one. The grand experiment may indeed destroy our society, very slowly, as males drop out.
There are decent and realistic women out there. They just don't get any coverage.
Of course there are. Problem is, if you choose wrong, you are screwed. In the not fun way. Given the divorce rate, I fugure the odds of that are somewhat better than even (based on a plausible guess that some men stay in a messed up marriage ) that it's a bad choice.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Hopefully they are smart enough to not sleep and reproduce with you.
Wouldn't that be a win/win situation for women then? If I was a young male, they wouldn't have to be smart enough, because I wouldn't even attempt to sleep with or attempt to reproduce, so I would not bother any woman one bit.
Getting women control of their bodies, safe abortions if needed, and cheap birth control normalized and easily available around the world is how the entire planet should slow down the plague of humans infecting the planet.
I was waiting for someone to try to change this from you say this, so you are that soundbite ideology.
Women should have all of that. My point is not that I would want any of that removed from the rights of women. This is just a risk/reward analysis - a prudent person does this. I did a risk/reward analysis on Ice Hockey. It won, so I play. I did a risk/reward analysis on wingsuit gliding. It lost rather badly.
So if I were a young male today, my risk/reward analysis on marriage and having children wouldn't lose as badly as climbing into a wingsuit and jumping out of a plane, but it would still tell me that the risk is not worth the reward. When things go wrong, they go badly wrong for me.
And is there supposed to be something wrong with that?
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Sure. And have for hundreds of thousands of years.
But the so called SJWs seek new things to suppress — like the desire by males of the species to see the nubile females.
As well as the desire by the females to be seen...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
I have a great deal of respect for women. It turns out that if you are a man, no matter how much you respect a woman, you still want to have sex with the hot ones.
One way to show them respect is to make sure they get their cookies too. The idea that lust equals disrespect is perpetuated by people who never have had sex with a woman they respect.
Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
"Dunno about you, but I only read playboy.de for the Drupal code."
Anyone else just throw up?
~ People that think they are better than anyone else for any reason are the cause of all the strife in the world.
Thanks for posting. You have made some excellent points - and your first post was fascinating. I've heard of extremely good eyesight before but not really considered some people have smell as their exceptional super-power :)
They found that there is plenty of pr0n on Internet and people really want to read it for the articles, but can't at work. PC police strikes again!
When you have a name like "Drupal", you don't want to be associated with sex at all.
Table-ized A.I.
The point I was disagreeing with is that attractive features derive from their utility; like long legs for running.
It only takes one counter-example to disprove it, and I provided one. Have a look at deer antlers if you need another.
As to why you think humans are somehow "special", you're scraping the bottom of the barrel there, pal. Pathetic.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."