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How Microsoft Lost In Court Over Windows 10 Upgrades (digitaltrends.com)
In June a California woman successfully sued Microsoft for $10,000 over forced Windows 10 upgrades, and she's now written a 58-page ebook about her battle (which she's selling for $9.99). But an anonymous Slashdot reader shares another inspiring story about a Texas IT worker and Linux geek who got Microsoft to pay him $650 for all the time that he lost.
"Worley built a Windows 7 machine for his grandfather, who has Alzheimer's Disease, [customized] to look like Windows XP, an operating system his grandfather still remembered well..." writes Digital Trends. "But thanks to Microsoft's persistent Windows 10 upgrade program, Worley's grandfather unknowingly initiated the Win 10 upgrade by clicking the 'X' to close an upgrade window." After Worley filed a legal "Notice of Dispute," Microsoft quickly agreed to his demand for $650, which he donated to a non-profit focusing on Alzheimer's patients.
But according to the article, that's just the beginning, since Worley now "hopes people impacted by the forced Windows 10 upgrade will write a complaint to Microsoft demanding a settlement for their wasted time and money in repairing the device," and on his web page suggests that if people don't need the money, they should give it to charities fighting Alzheimer's. "If Microsoft isn't going to wake up and realize that lobbing intentionally-tricky updates at people who don't need and can't use them actively damages not only the lives of the Alzheimer's sufferer, but those of their whole family, then let's cure the disease on Microsoft's dime so their tactics and those of companies that will follow their reckless example aren't as damaging."
Worley suggests each Notice of Dispute should demand at least $50 per hour from Microsoft, adding "If recent history holds steady they might just write you a check!"
But according to the article, that's just the beginning, since Worley now "hopes people impacted by the forced Windows 10 upgrade will write a complaint to Microsoft demanding a settlement for their wasted time and money in repairing the device," and on his web page suggests that if people don't need the money, they should give it to charities fighting Alzheimer's. "If Microsoft isn't going to wake up and realize that lobbing intentionally-tricky updates at people who don't need and can't use them actively damages not only the lives of the Alzheimer's sufferer, but those of their whole family, then let's cure the disease on Microsoft's dime so their tactics and those of companies that will follow their reckless example aren't as damaging."
Worley suggests each Notice of Dispute should demand at least $50 per hour from Microsoft, adding "If recent history holds steady they might just write you a check!"
California, where everybody is a stinking communist. A woman has no right for legal representation, her man has to do it in stead of her.
Well it was done on the guys personal time. It may had made sense to not to try to get too greedy. If he needed to hire an outside contractor to do the work, over $100.00 is not unreasonable. However most companies who have to do the random residential fix, usually tries to cut them some slack and do the work at cost, as to not garner bad reviews.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
I just found out my sister-in-law bought a new laptop because the old one was "broken". Why? Because the formerly functional old laptop ran Windows 7 and whatever Windows 10 did to it broke the drivers and it won't boot, despite her trying to prevent Windows from doing the update for months. She took it to a local computer store and they said they would fix it for $100. At that point she decided to buy a new one. Months later I found out what happened :-(
It's easy to blame the user, but there must be thousands of people out there who have machines that were effectively turned into non-functional doorstops from their perspective because of Microsoft's forced upgrade policy. Granted, these machines are fixable, but that's still a repair beyond many user's ability, and it would cost them money to have someone else do it for them. They're in this spot because of the underhanded tricks that Microsoft used (like the "install anyway" close button on the upgrade window).
I'll reinstall the OS for her and maybe she can recover some money by reselling the old laptop, but really there should be a class action lawsuit against Microsoft for what they've done. Instead they've probably reaped many unnecessary sales of new machines. It's appalling.
A FreeBSD-user since early 90-ies, I can only chuckle at the problems in the Microsoft world...
Heeey I was tricked into typing
freebsd-update upgrade -r 11.0-RELEASE
And guess what? instead of updating my X-windows it changed my FreeBSD version!!!
Now all my drivers, erm, just work and my UI looks just the same!
If I had a DeLorean... I would probably only drive it from time to time.
It's the other way around - personal time is worth more than work time (not less).
If our personal time were worth less to us, we'd be working then, wouldn't we?
Everybody's price goes up as they run out of time. Supply and demand.
Tricking old people is a very popular business model these days. Amazon for instance has "click here for FREE shipping!" and then if you click you get a trial Amazon Prime account, and if you don't notice you get charged at the end of the month. Cancelling this trial can be tricky, I tried to cancel my mother's prime account but it had not verified the credit card on file yet (which was also outdated) so there was no option to cancel. Instead I removed all cards from the account (almost mandatory because a cat walking across the keyboard could cost you a lot of one-click purchases). The next day the trial account was bitching and whining that there was no valid card on file and to PLEASE add a new one. It still has not given up and is whining about an invalid card a week later. Unsurprisingly you can find a lot of people online also complaining that their elderly parents were paying for Prime who don't remember signing up for it.
My mother was getting the Windows 10 update, but we cancelled it before it was done. She had very very slow internet so it was taking several days for it to download.
I have noticed that Adobe Flash is no longer doing the "install MacAffee" checkbox that's pre-checked, maybe they got enough complaints that someone with a conscience finally removed it. Meanwhile Avast still tries to trick people into installing Chrome when they upgrade their antivirus.
extort: obtain (something) by force, threats, or other unfair means.
how is asking for a fair amount owed to you by a company, that does you direct harm by forcing an upgrade on you that make a fully functional computer become an expensive brick, equal extortion?
you sir have a funny way at looking at justice. do you work for microsoft?
My personal time is sold at market rates. For the simple reason that I could sell it at market rates at any time. IT security people are sought after and, let's be honest here, we can pretty much demand what we want and it's being paid.
The point is, why should my personal time be any cheaper than my "professional" time? It's not like I'm doing what I really enjoy doing when upgrading an OS, we're not talking about playing my favorite game.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Are you proud of the work you've done here, making life suck for Alzheimers' patients and countless other customers who lack the capacity, the autonomy, or the technical background needed to circumvent your bosses' intentions?
If you work for Microsoft, then the world is a worse place because you went to work today. Re-evaluate your career options.
Remember, you're engineers. As a group you are capable, experienced professionals in a strong labor market. You have those options, unlike a lot of other people.
And as engineers, you also have ethical obligations, even if they're unwritten ones. Honor those obligations by working somewhere else besides Microsoft.
Fine, but they should have made fbsd-update.pcbsd.org redirect to another server, or made it a TrueOS mirror. Right now, the way they've made it, people on 10.2 are stuck on it
For the countless hours of finding and reading the fine print on MS's "security" updates to make sure I don't catch Windows 10?
thegodmovie.com - watch it
Nope, you don't own the copyright.
You own a copy of it.
You can even copy this copy as much as you want.
You can even modify it as much as you want, and you can sell it as much as you want.
But you don't hold the copyright.
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Bullshit. The Uniform Commercial Code and the doctrine of first sale says I own the (copy of the) software. The only thing that says I don't is a fictional, unenforceable, worthless alleged-document that isn't a valid contract because (a) it's a contract of adhesion presented after the sale is complete and (b) offers me no consideration since I already have the right to do everything it's offering me by virtue of having already bought the software.
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz