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Samsung Plans All-Screen Design in New Galaxy S8 Phones (bloomberg.com)

Samsung may have big plans to overcome the whammy of its disastrous Galaxy Note7 this year. The company is reportedly planning to push the boundaries of design with the next flagship smartphone, dubbed the Galaxy S8. The smartphone, which was recently pegged to ship without a headphone jack, will have an "all-screen" design, Bloomberg is reporting. The report adds that there might not be a home button -- at least the way we know it -- and that any part of the lower display will serve as a fingerprint scanner. From the report: The bezel-less displays will provide more viewing real estate while a virtual home button will be buried in the glass in the lower section. Samsung needs the Galaxy S8 to be a hit after suffering through the Note 7 debacle that tarnished its brand, led to an embarrassing recall and may cost the company more than $6 billion. While Samsung is targeting a March release of the S8, that could be delayed until April, the people said. Samsung is adopting tougher testing procedures in the wake of the Note 7 debacle that could push back the launch by about a month, one of the people said.

106 comments

  1. Yey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This will allow for more glass to be used as shrapnel when it explodes!

    1. Re:Yey by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This is a brilliant move by Samsung. If the Pentagon decides to make the Galaxy S8 standard-issue, think of the money to be made! The military-industrial complex just expanded to the phone market.

    2. Re:Yey by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Had it been Apple with the exploding phone, I could easily imagine Jony Ive's British accent narrating over a few minutes of 360 degree hero shots capturing slow motion explosions inside of shattering glass...

      Our new phone improves on the energetic properties we previously introduced. Its all-glass body provides an unobstructed view of the internal components as they fuse and divide, fundamentally transforming into something other than what they were, while releasing the primal energies contained within the device creates a pristine seamlessness between the case and the user's hand, allowing for a first-of-its-kind experience that is truly magical.

    3. Re:Yey by burtosis · · Score: 3, Funny

      This will allow for more glass to be used as shrapnel when it explodes!

      Yes, it is quite cutting edge indeed!

    4. Re:Yey by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      But will it be thinner? That's the most important feature on a phone, I want it to be really, really thin. If you can't use it without tweezers, it's just not trendy enough.

  2. Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by dlb101010 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .reportedly planning to push the boundaries of design

    Now might be the time for them to pull back, go for a less cutting-edge stable design, and save pushing boundaries for another day.

    1. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by 110010001000 · · Score: 2

      You lack courage.

    2. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, what caused the Note7 disaster was a lack of testing and a bad design of the battery compartment: there wasn't enough space for the battery to expand, so when it did, boom! This could happen with any cellphone, not just a cutting-edge one. Honestly, I'm surprised they made such a seemingly-elementary mistake; these companies have been making small devices with lithium-ion batteries for many years now, so you'd think this would be pretty basic.

      Anyway, they're already saying (in TFS) that they're going to do a more thorough job of testing now to avoid stupid mistakes like that. More thorough testing should also catch other problems that can happen with boundary-pushing designs.

      No, what they really need to do is go back to providing basic features that Apple and others have been removing lately: removable batteries and SDcard slots, and now headphone jacks. I'm listening to music at work now on my cellphone using, you guessed it, my 3.5mm headphone jack. WhyTF would I buy a "cutting edge" cellphone that won't let me use my noise-cancelling headphones at work? Utter stupidity. And no, I'm not going to use some fucking dongle, nor am I going to trash my nice noise-cancelling headphones and buy some shitty Bluetooth headphones.

    3. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by dlb101010 · · Score: 2

      The courage to make a profit? Samsung knew that batteries can expand during use, and they knew they weren't allowing much leeway for the expansion, but they courageously went with a hip slimmer design anyway. (And they surely were aware of what can happen when internal positive and negative parts of a battery rupture into contact.)

    4. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "WhyTF would I buy a "cutting edge" cellphone that won't let me use my noise-cancelling headphones at work?"

      ANSWER: Um they didn't you can use any headphones you want. That is what the adapter is for.

      "Utter stupidity. And no, I'm not going to use some fucking dongle, nor am I going to trash my nice noise-cancelling headphones and buy some shitty Bluetooth headphones."

      ANSWER: Sooo... plugging into phone. AWESOME, BEST THING SINCE SLICED BREAD. plugging into adapter... STUPIDEST THING EVA! ??? Yea, makes perfect sense.

    5. Re: Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, show a little courage! Explode and burn in the name of BOLD INNOVATION!

    6. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Heh "cutting edge"... That's what these phones will have if they get any thinner.

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    7. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by codeButcher · · Score: 2

      A rapidly expanding battery is going to push some boundaries all right. Perhaps also convert that screen glass into some nice cutting edges.

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    8. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, it's not really a question of battery expansion or compression because even if there were issues with the compartment being too small the sensor should have sensed the extra heat generated by this and cut the battery draw to compensate. This was a software and sensor problem as much as a battery problem and likely more a software problem than anything else. Software should have compensated for any battery issue.

       

    9. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by tepples · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is the adapter included with the phone, or is it sold separately? And does the adapter allow recharging the phone's battery while headphones are in use?

    10. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by cellocgw · · Score: 1

      Boy did you just get Whooshed.
        (try Googling "courage iPhone audio jack")

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    11. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I say this with all possible force. Fuck your adapters. Take a rusty spoon and put your adapter on it and then fuck yourself with it. Adapters are a workaround not a solution. Give me BT that actually fucking works before trying to shove a stupid ass design down people's throats. BT is still problematic at best and doesn't even work at worst.

    12. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Workaround: a plan or method to circumvent a problem (as in computer software) without eliminating it
      Solution: an action or process of solving a problem.

      Well yeah, you can't magically make the end of everyone's cable change. So the a workaround is the only option. There is nothing inherently wrong with a workaround when there is no possible solution.

      What is the best way to see improvement in a technology, get it mainstream. BT isn't great now. Although they just came out with v5. So, will it be? Sure will.

      Let's all throw tantrums now because this kind of stuff has NEVER happened before
      records, 8 tracks, tapes, cd
      OR
      VHS tapes, DVD, Blue-RAY
      OR
      x86 to x64
      OR
      And the list goes on...

    13. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      The short answer is that you'll be investing in USB C/micro USB headsets or adapters. And then you'll use the wireless charging feature for charging while you listen. I was super pissed when I heard the first rumor about them taking the port out, and since I only use headphones occasionally, bluetooth are useless to me, as they'll likely either be dead or at home in the charging cradle.
       
      But the more I thought about it, the more I realized that I wireless charge almost exclusively, unless I've been out all day running around. If I had decent headphones for the one port or an adapter, it would work largely the same as always.

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    14. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Your response is stupid. No, this stuff has never happened before, that I can readily recall. All your examples are cases where an older technology was replaced by a clearly superior technology. This simply isn't the case here. The 3.5mm headphone jack is the superior technology. Bluetooth is inferior; its only advantage is eliminating a wire, but the downside is poor audio quality as well as radio interference problems. USBc headphones are not a proper replacement because they prevent charging, and also they simply aren't enough of a technical improvement to justify the cost. In fact, the connectors are likely inferior; 3.5mm connectors are simple, easy to plug in since they're round, and extremely rugged compared to today's ultra-delicate connectors. There's simply no good reason to abandon it at this point. Manufacturers are only dumping it because they're cheap and lazy, and one of them wants to sell all their customers brand-new headphones.

      There *is* something inherently wrong with a workaround when the problem was never necessary in the first place. No one asked these companies to abandon the 3.5mm jack. The solution is simple: don't buy their shitty products.

    15. Re:Isn't this what caused the Note7 disaster? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cutting battery draw was not enough. Once the run-away started, pressure from the lack of expansion room could keep it going.

  3. iPhone 8 by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

    Well the iPhone 8 is going to have TWO screens. One on the front and one on the back.

    1. Re:iPhone 8 by fubarrr · · Score: 2

      >iPhone 8 is going to have TWO screens. One on the front and one on the back.

      So its screen will break two times as often

    2. Re:iPhone 8 by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      So its screen will break two times as often

      Gorilla glass keeps improving, it might only be 1.5 times as often

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    3. Re:iPhone 8 by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      >iPhone 8 is going to have TWO screens. One on the front and one on the back.

      So its screen will break two times as often

      No, because you won't be able to pick it up...
      Touch Disease Everywhere!
      Now to train Siri to say
      "Don't Touch Me!"
      "Stop Touching Me"
      "MOM!!!"

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    4. Re:iPhone 8 by David_Hart · · Score: 1

      >iPhone 8 is going to have TWO screens. One on the front and one on the back.

      So its screen will break two times as often

      Cue the beginnings of the iPhone double bounce video meme. Can you break both screens at once with the same drop test...

    5. Re:iPhone 8 by codeButcher · · Score: 1

      And from there its screens all the way down...

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    6. Re:iPhone 8 by bobbied · · Score: 1

      >iPhone 8 is going to have TWO screens. One on the front and one on the back.

      So its screen will break two times as often

      No, because you won't be able to pick it up... Touch Disease Everywhere! Now to train Siri to say "Don't Touch Me!" "Stop Touching Me"

      I'm telling HR!

      FIFY

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  4. HAHAHAHA by fubarrr · · Score: 2

    >All-Screen Design

    I bet the replacement glass will be sold at 10000% markup.

    1. Re:HAHAHAHA by geekmux · · Score: 1

      >All-Screen Design

      I bet the replacement glass will be sold at 10000% markup.

      There's not really a vendor out there that isn't charging retail-diamond markup for smartphone solutions these days.

    2. Re: HAHAHAHA by Miamicanes · · Score: 2

      No, even worse... the glass will be glued to the OLED, so replacing one will require replacing both, and a cracked-glass repair will cost $300 instead of $30.

      Not to mention... fitting any kind of shock-absorbing drop-protection case onto a phone with no bezel at all will be almost impossible.

      Jesus. Are these phones designed for use in padded cells or something? Or are they crazy enough to think they can get people to repeatedly pay $1,500 over the (short) life of the phone (say, $900 up front, then two $300 glass+display repairs.

    3. Re: HAHAHAHA by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Or are they crazy enough to think they can get people to repeatedly pay $1,500 over the (short) life of the phone (say, $900 up front, then two $300 glass+display repairs.

      Yes, they're that crazy. They're looking at iPhone users, who do exactly this, and they think they can get their customers to do the same thing. But they're probably wrong. Only Apple is so reliably able to get customers this willing to put up with their antics.

    4. Re: HAHAHAHA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For *now* it's only this model.
      But others will see the advantages (harder to protect, needs more replacing, more likely to explode or shatter) and follow suit.

      These guys are playing the long-game. The market is not held captive *yet*, but they're slowly working out to corner us.

    5. Re: HAHAHAHA by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      The market is not held captive *yet*, but they're slowly working out to corner us.

      As long as they're rounded corners, most consumers will be alright with it.

  5. Re:No headphone jack? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    I was about to say that, finally, finally, finally. How long have we been waiting for to finally get rid of that!

    Definitely the must-have (or rather, must-not-have) feature everyone was looking forward to.

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  6. but the all important question on everyones mind by nimbius · · Score: 0

    Will this version continue to support the popular "burn as brilliant and ferociously as the star at the very center of our galaxy" or will i be left to get by as I have been with random acts of arson and dumpster fires. Im tired of vendors lackluster of support for acrid fumes and metal fires.

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  7. No bezel? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Accidental touches galore! When are they going just embed the phone into your hand? Or better yet, direct brain stimulation?

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    1. Re:No bezel? by Calydor · · Score: 2

      Accidental touches galore!

      Still beats the S7 and the Accidental Torches Galore feature.

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    2. Re:No bezel? by CCarrot · · Score: 2

      Accidental touches galore! When are they going just embed the phone into your hand? Or better yet, direct brain stimulation?

      Exactly! WTH are we who don't have 2mm thick fingers supposed to do to be able to even hold on to this thing without accidentally emailing all our porn links to grandma, use fecking telekinesis? I have enough problems with the current model (S7)! (sorry grandma...)

      I think it's time for the THICK revolution to start. Tell the manufacturers that we don't want these damned wafer-thin phones, much less anything thinner. Just one manufacturer should provide a 'thick' version of their flagship phone, and advertise it as such! I would buy it (so long as it's waterproof, and has a goddamned headphone jack), and being thicker, it should be able to compete very well battery-wise without going up in flames...

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    3. Re:No bezel? by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Accidental touches were not really an issue with the N7 variant at all. OTOH, it is a pain to try and pick them up from a desk without somehow pressing a button/active area - and this will make it worse.

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    4. Re:No bezel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe grandma is into the porn links....

    5. Re:No bezel? by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The S7 has no such problem. It's the Note7 that has that problem. Different product. It's like bitching about the "you're holding it wrong" "feature" on iPads, when that was a problem on iPhones and not iPads.

    6. Re:No bezel? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Grandma knows... Thicker is better....Though she might not admit it if you ask.

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    7. Re:No bezel? by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Reportedly phones which very small bezels (like the Xiaomi Mi Mix) have implemented some filtering in software to (hopefully) prevent accidental touches. How well that works I don't know.

  8. Re:but the all important question on everyones min by Calydor · · Score: 2

    Umm, isn't the very center of our galaxy a giant black hole with no burning whatsoever?

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  9. The people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people are revolting.

    1. Re: The people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people are revolting

      You said it. They stink on ice.

    2. Re:The people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The people are revolting.

      PULL!!!

    3. Re:The people by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

      They are, aren't they?

  10. Re:but the all important question on everyones min by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Go learn some science, nimrod. I really can't stand morons like you.

  11. The new Samsung VP of Design by geekmux · · Score: 1

    So, in the wake of exploding phones and the efficiency at which consumers break or shatter their displays regardless of Gorilla hardening, you chose to make the new model essentially out of glass?

    Let me guess, the new Samsung VP of Design is Elijah Price.

    Brilliant move there, Samsung. Way to re-gain consumer confidence.

    Don't forget to include a wireless buttplug to prepare consumers for the reaming you plan on giving them for display repairs...

  12. PLEASE go back to removable battery Samsung by jedaustin · · Score: 1

    The whole exploding battery could have been resolved a lot easier and probably wouldn't have happened at all had Samsung not chosen to seal the battery into the phone. As it is I won't be upgrading past Note 4 because being able to remove and replace the battery is a feature that is very important to me.

    1. Re: PLEASE go back to removable battery Samsung by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The upgrade is called "LG".

    2. Re: PLEASE go back to removable battery Samsung by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I keep hearing this every time someone says they don't want to upgrade past some Samsung model in the past (like my current S5).

      I'm going to have to check out the LG phones sometime. Maybe it really is the new promised land. There's gotta be some company out there smart enough to go after the market of people who like sensible, utilitarian features like removable batteries and SDcard slots.

    3. Re: PLEASE go back to removable battery Samsung by bobbied · · Score: 1

      And a place to plug in my earphones....

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    4. Re: PLEASE go back to removable battery Samsung by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Well I looked into the G5 and it doesn't appear to be waterproof, so that's out.

      No matter, my Galaxy S5 still works fine for now. Hopefully in a year or two, one of these companies will pull its head out of its ass and make an updated phone as good as this one.

    5. Re:PLEASE go back to removable battery Samsung by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      I definitely felt this way with my S4. When the charging port finally died on it, I bit the bullet and got an S7. I have to say, 3-4 months in and I don't miss the replaceable battery. Between much more battery capacity and wireless charging, I rarely run my phone dead. I used to run my S4 dead a couple times a week. Between the convenience of just setting my phone down to charge it and the water resistance, I'm ok with the glued-in battery so far.

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    6. Re:PLEASE go back to removable battery Samsung by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      I definitely felt this way with my S4. When the charging port finally died on it, I bit the bullet and got an S7. I have to say, 3-4 months in and I don't miss the replaceable battery.

      I also upgraded direct from a S4 to a S7, and I very much miss the IR blaster. Do they even make phones with those any more?

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  13. Note will have a pen holder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Well the Note 8, will have a hole where the pen goes, so it makes sense it has a hole where the headphone goes, it has to be thick enough for the pen and the jack is smaller.

    It's difficult to see why they'd remove it on the S8 unless there's some advantage in it. I remember they removed the MicroSD card slot at one point, and it didn't sell, so they put it back. Dumb fucks copying Apple, quickly learned that Apple users *tolerate* dipshit Apple ideas, they don't seek them out.

    As for GP's Trump! comment. Trump's busying ranting on Twitter again, trying to draw attention away from the accounting holes. Billionaires don't borrow $18 million at 5.7% when their disclosed businesses run at 1.9% profit. Bankrupt people covering accounting holes do that. How much does his Scottish golf courses make? UK real accounts say a loss, his FEC document claims $3 million... liar. How much did he tell investors he was investing there? FEC document claims $300 million, UK real accounts show half that.... $50 million of foreign Trump co-investors money, is missing from that project. Siphoned off to pay bills elsewhere. Trump! indeed.

    1. Re: Note will have a pen holder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Aweeee... Is someone salty about their new president?

      Boo fucking hoo.

    2. Re: Note will have a pen holder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      not president yet and may never be haha

    3. Re: Note will have a pen holder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "May never be?"

      Are you referring to the recount efforts that have only found more votes for Trump?

    4. Re:Note will have a pen holder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The headphone jack isn't just a hole though, it has electronics that take up space in the internals which manufacturers want to use now for other things. I get why people want to hold onto this legacy port, it's a well established piece of tech that has been tired and true and remained unchanged for decades but to say that there's a pen hole so a headphone hole is the same thing isn't really accurate

    5. Re: Note will have a pen holder by narcc · · Score: 1

      He's talking about faithless electors like the Hamilton Electors. I have no idea what you're talking about.

    6. Re: Note will have a pen holder by bobbied · · Score: 1

      My guess is previous AC is thinking some loony tune liberal will succeed in eliminating the President Elect, either by a sniper round or some miracle during the Electoral College vote counting.... Neither are likely....

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    7. Re:Note will have a pen holder by DrYak · · Score: 2

      The headphone jack isn't just a hole though, it has electronics that take up space in the internals which manufacturers want to use now for other things.

      Common !
      - Other manufacturer are managing to still cram an audio jack into their competing smartphones
      - Smartphone are getting *wider* with *larger screen* each generation. In theory they should have *more room* for electronics.
      - The "other things" might not be as useful as marketing would like you to think (Apple's taptic engine was the excuse for removing their jack).
      - The only reason that manufacturer are lacking space is because they have launched themself in a competition for the thinest device possible. By trying to shave a few mm of thickness, they are losing critical space. This has already cost Apple their bendgate (less thickness = less mechanical resistance) and caused Samsung a few exploding batteries (not enough space for battery expansion).

      In other words: I manufacturer weren't competing for the first company to release a phone thin enough so you can cut cheese with it, they would have plenty of space to keep a phone jack, add their useless new features AND have bigger batteries with better life.

      I get why people want to hold onto this legacy port, it's a well established piece of tech that has been tired and true and remained unchanged for decades but to say that there's a pen hole so a headphone hole is the same thing isn't really accurate

      The total volume of a pen, is still bigger than the volume of small compact jack connector and the tiny DAC feeding it.

      No the real excuse is getting a way to sell either extra dongles (audio-out to USB-Otg or Apple Lightning)
      or expensive accessories (force you to buy Bluetooth Wireless earphones. Or wired phones with custom plugs).

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    8. Re: Note will have a pen holder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hamilton Electors [hamiltonelectors.com].

      >Donate
      >Make a Contribution

      Hope they get enough donations to make up for the career in party politics that they're flushing down the toilet. Judging by Jill Stein's efforts, they just might. Scamming desperate liberals is a very lucrative enterprise at the moment.

      Anyway, they need 37 to flip, which ain't happening. Even if it did, they're not flipping to Hillary, and the republican House would still vote Trump in easily. (And if not, the GOP really will have chosen suicide over Trump)

    9. Re: Note will have a pen holder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that it will also be a way to help enforce DRM.

    10. Re:Note will have a pen holder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Headphones are useful, headphones that you have to charge are annoying as Win10.

  14. Preempting Apple by Dan+East · · Score: 1

    Both of these design changes (screen taking up the entire face of the device, home button integrated into the display) are also rumors that have been floating around for the iPhone 8. The iPhone 7's design that changed the home button from a physical button to a capacitive touch "button" using the haptic feedback engine was an incremental step towards that end. Samsung is trying to preempt Apple and get a phone to market first that incorporates the rumors of what Apple is going to do.

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    1. Re:Preempting Apple by organgtool · · Score: 1

      Everyone seems insistent on copying all of the features of the iPhone, even the absolutely braindead ones like removing the headphone jack. If I was Apple, I would "leak" rumors of extremely ridiculous changes to the next version of the iPhone, watch as the competition scrambled to beat me to market to release a phone full of things nobody wants, and then release a new iPhone that has the features people actually want. Of course that will never happen since Apple itself is all too focused on figuring out the next great thing to remove from their own phones. Sometimes I think the phone manufacturers have a bet to see who's customers have the highest levels of attrition.

    2. Re: Preempting Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope this rush job doesn't result in a phone with an exploding battery like the last one did. Seriously Samsung, focus less on copying Apple's look and trying to beat them to market with that look and focus more on designing a stable device. If Samsung were smart they'd go back to a removable battery. It may not look as good but it makes it infinitely more usable and differentiates it from an iPhone. If somebody wants a device that looks like an iPhone and the look and feel is the most important aspect of a phone to them then they are going to buy an iPhone anyway so why bother? Focus on making the best product and it will sell.

    3. Re:Preempting Apple by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      Wait...trying to preempt? Apple is about the last company to incorporate new tech into phones. Now, they are usually pretty good about making sure it works instead of being first out the gate, but "early adopter" is not in Apple's lexicon. They still don't have wireless charging. They just added water resistance this year. They're two years behind Samsung on edge to edge screens (and about 3 years behind everyone on resolution). They've lost any claim they might have once had to the best phone camera. Even haptic feedback was tried on phones 3-4 years ago (albeit with limited success due to poor/inconsistent OS support).

      Apple rumors have had dual screens, edge screens, 4k screens, iris scanning, and personal blowjobs on their "rumor" lists for years. You may as well look through the last 50 years of science fiction for ideas - as they'll all be on the rumor sites at one time or another.

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    4. Re:Preempting Apple by Dan+East · · Score: 1

      Apple is about the last company to incorporate new tech into phones

      Multi-touch capacitive touch screen. Accelerometers. Reversible data / charging port that can be used when flipped either way. Haptic feedback engine (not talking about just vibration). Using the body of the phone as the antenna. Those are just some I can name off the top of my head.

      Just the capacitive touch screen alone is what revolutionized mobile devices.

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    5. Re:Preempting Apple by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Everyone seems insistent on copying all of the features of the iPhone, even the absolutely braindead ones like removing the headphone jack..... and then release a new iPhone that has the features people actually want.

      The problem with your theory, as much as I really do like it, is that there's no shortage of drooling morons who will rationalize Apple's "braindead" design decisions like removing the headphone jack, even right here on Slashdot. Just watch, some stupid AC will respond here telling me how all I have to do is "buy an adapter" or "get some Bluetooth headphones" and that I don't really need a headphone jack (an AC did just this a few hours ago in response to another comment of mine about the headphone jack).

      The fundamental problem is that most people are followers, so if Apple and some of its competitors do something user-hostile but profit-boosting, they'll defend it to their last breath, because they get a positive emotional response by being a follower of something larger than themselves (like a giant corporation), not because there's any logic to the position.

    6. Re:Preempting Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Early adopters are suckers, so that is fine by me.

    7. Re:Preempting Apple by Solandri · · Score: 1

      There's no pre-empting going on. Apple is not the originator of these ideas - they may be talking about adding them to the next iPhone, but Android has had them for close to 7 years. My Samsung Galaxy S (the first one they made) didn't have physical navigation buttons - it had capacitive touch buttons and used the phone's vibrate module to generate haptic feedback. The navigation buttons were simply a separate touch-sensitive OLED display. Heck, my current Nexus 5 does the same thing except the buttons are part of the main display (has been since Android Honeycomb).

      The media is just dominated by Apple fans who refuse to tell the truth and say that Apple is copying Android with these "new" ideas, or who have never taken a serious look outside the iOS ecosystem so they have no idea what else has been available for close to a decade.

    8. Re:Preempting Apple by iampiti · · Score: 1

      Apple even has MP3 players without screens (the ipod shuffle). Yes, that's not absolutely necessary to listen to your audio files but it severely limits the player's usability

  15. 3rd party labs by pablo_max · · Score: 2

    I think that the phone was tested, and likely the issue was known.
    The problem is that, in an order to save costs and decrease the chance or product leaks, Samsung has moved away from using 3rd party labs and started setting up their own internal labs.
    An internal battery lab was used to test the note. The testing for batteries is standardized. And while the ISO 17025 accreditation requires a sort of separation of the lab and the production side, it is clear that the lab would be under intense pressure to both speed up the certification and down play any issues which may block the ship date.
    3rd party labs will of course feel the pressure from customers like Samsung, most European and American labs would never close their eyes and issue a passing test report. In Asia though, it is a different story. One reason why the FCC no longer allows test reports from Asian lab. Often times the reports are available as soon as the PO is sent ;)
    For you guys in the USA, nearly every one with a cell phone is using one which is PTCRB certified. PTCRB mandates the use of 3rd party accredited labs. PTCRB however is concerned with the health of the network, not whether or not the battery will explode. Though, they do test conducted RF (100's of hours) from -10c to +55c, but the battery is actually removed in those tests.
    Perhaps they should think about requiring 3rd party battery testing also. As Li batteries get larger and larger, the potential for this type if thing increases.

  16. Red planet by pablo_max · · Score: 1

    Yes, I know it was a corny movie.
    However, I am still waiting for Val Kilmer's hand held. That roll our screen, IMO is what Samsung and others should be shooting for. Not a giant 8inch PC that I need to cram in my pocket. How cool would that be to have something which is small enough to fit in your pocket, but can unroll to look at real internet pages?

    1. Re:Red planet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll settle for the folding screen things they have in Westworld. Those phone/tablet things look awesome.

  17. Phone Case Users by wasteoid · · Score: 1

    Those of us who use protective phone cases dislike this trend.

  18. Yeah, but non-swappable battery and no stereo jack by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sorry Samsung, as a current user... I won't be getting anything above the S5.

    It's probably going to be the LG G5.

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  19. will you be able to use a case? by Doke · · Score: 1

    If the screen is the entire front of the device, will you be able to put it in a case? I would not want to pay for a phone that I couldn't protect.

  20. Terrible, now you can't use a case by burtosis · · Score: 1

    With glass to the edges it will have almost zero impact toughness. You can't use a case as it would fall off or obstruct the screen and you couldn't do things like scroll or click properly.

    God forbid they actually put some rubber around the corners and make it a sane thickness.

    1. Re:Terrible, now you can't use a case by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cases are terrible. Just be an adult and don't drop your phone. I haven't cracked any screens once since getting my first smartphone in 2007 and I have NEVER used a case.

  21. Wait a minute by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that it will not burst out in flames? For, if it does not, it cannot be a true Samsung phone.

  22. Thin TVs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Much like 1/4" thick TVs, this is the feature nobody is asking for. More marketing than feature, a full touchscreen is going to cause way more problems than the one slight advantage of 6 more pixels.

  23. Re:Yeah, but non-swappable battery and no stereo j by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

    >It's probably going to be the LG G5.

    That's a pretty fucking sad state of affairs. (I owned the G3 and G4...I couldn't stomach more of the same but in a clunkier package)

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  24. Goodbye Samsung by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1

    Removing the headphone jack and the home button would be the last shitty straws. Unreliable phones, bloatware, nagware, and lagging Android releases = a bad experience. Not to mention a battery you can't remove - they are copying Apple's worst decisions. My next phone will not be a Samsung. Which is a shame.

  25. Re:Yeah, but non-swappable battery and no stereo j by danomac · · Score: 1

    I own a LG G4 currently.

    I used to strictly buy Samsung phones, but when they went to sealed batteries I didn't follow. I've always had some sort of problem with Samsung's phones, whether it be a bad battery or some other weird quirkiness that I'd have to reset my phone every other day.

    I have discovered, now that I bought something besides a Samsung, that it is Samsung and not Android like I previously thought. I've had my G4 for a year and a half and haven't had any hardware issues. I did have a software issue when updating from 5.x to 6.x that required me to software reset my phone, but I haven't had any issues since then. I doubt I'll ever buy a Samsung again, at least in the Android ecosystem end users actually have a choice of manufacturer.

    Actually, now that they've taken away the removeable battery and headphones jack, it guarantees I'll never buy one. I want a phone that's actually functional and can run alternate browsers. If I wanted to get a phone that went full-Apple-retard, I'd just buy an iPhone, not an Android device.

  26. Already seen and available by aglider · · Score: 1

    Xiaomi Mi Mix

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  27. See ya later, Samsung by nwaack · · Score: 1

    You just lost another loyal customer. I DO NOT WANT a phone that has no headphone jack, no swappable battery and will break if I look at it cross-eyed. The idiots at Apple and Samsung have such a hard-on for innovation - any innovation whether good or bad - that they don't even realize they're losing tons of customers by doing so.

  28. Re:Yeah, but non-swappable battery and no stereo j by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    >sticking with the S5

    I'm also sticking with the S5. I really like a removable battery and a headphone jack and a microSD card. (and waterproofing) If they can add all that back to the S8, I'll buy one the day it comes out. If not, I'll hold pat until I have to buy a new one...then I'll look for another S5.

    Can anyone pass this along to Samsung? There are a LOT of us out here who want the features of an S5 back.

  29. Re: Yeah, but non-swappable battery and no stereo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Me too! The S5 is pretty much the perfect phone for me....I owned every galaxy since s1. Their latest trend of locked bootloader unremovable batteries etc etc made me look elsewhere for a replacement.

  30. Why do things need to change that much? by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    Do we need a phone where the entire surface area is touch responsive?

    I just want better versions of existing phones. The Note 7 would've been fantastic, had it not exploded and had the idiot curved screen.

    I guess I'm skipping the S8

  31. Yawn by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    Yet more garbage, released in a race to the bottom.

    Samsung, you'll never see another dime from me or those like me until you stop gluing batteries into your phones. It's not okay.

    BTW. You're not Apple. You do not have a mesmerized, captive audience. Removing the headphone jack will cost you a noticeable number of sales. Grow up.

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  32. They're like Star Trek movies... by Ambient+Sheep · · Score: 1

    ...only in reverse: odd numbers good, even numbers bad.

    S5 - great
    S6 - removed the SD card slot
    S7 - put the SD card slot in again
    S7 - removed the headphone jack...

  33. Pushing the boundaries of design by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All glass screen, no home button? For some reason that design sounds somewhat familiar..

  34. no holes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No earphone jack and add contactless charging.
    A waterproof speaker and you have a much more waterproof phone.

  35. Who asked for this? by jxander · · Score: 1

    Is any user out there clamoring for an extra 0.8 mm of screen real estate?

    Is this even going to be viable when someone puts a protective case on their phone, or will the case impede on the edges of the screen?

    This smacks of change for the sake of change, with little regard for improving the actual design or usability of the phone.

    Removed a feature? UPGRADE
    Less user friendly? UPGRADE
    Harder to service? UPGRADE

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  36. Yay!! by aix+tom · · Score: 1

    Finally a phone that will not only be awkward to hold, but impossible to hold.

  37. Re:Yeah, but non-swappable battery and no stereo j by blind+biker · · Score: 0

    >It's probably going to be the LG G5.

    That's a pretty fucking sad state of affairs. (I owned the G3 and G4...I couldn't stomach more of the same but in a clunkier package)

    Do tell more. I haven't heard anything negative about the G5, but I also have not done a super-thorough research, either. Any and all accounts would be of value to me.

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