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Twitter Reinstates White Nationalist Leader's Account (buzzfeed.com)

An anonymous reader quotes BuzzFeed: On Saturday evening, Twitter reinstated -- with verification -- the account of Richard Spencer, a leading figure of the so-called alt-right movement, and the head of the white nationalist think tank, The National Policy Institute. Spencer's account was suspended mid-November as part of a larger cull of prominent alt-right accounts... However, according to Twitter, Spencer was banned on a technicality: creating multiple accounts with overlapping uses. Twitter's multiple account policy was put in place as a safeguard to help curb dog piling and targeted harassment. [Twitter] offered to reinstate one of Spencer's accounts if he agreed to follow the company's protocols.
Vox says the move "raises the question of to what extent Twitter intends to enforce the 'hateful conduct' policy." But the suspension had also been criticized by David Frum, a senior editor at the Atlantic, who wrote that "The culture of offense-taking, platform-denying, and heckler-vetoing...lets loudmouths and thugs present themselves as heroes of free thought. They do not deserve this opportunity... today, a neo-Nazi has more right to build an arsenal of weapons and drill a militia than to speak on Twitter." But BuzzFeed points out that though the account's been reinstated, Spencer "is now tip-toeing around the company's three strike policy, which carries a permanent suspension."

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  1. Fuck Twitter appeasement by Jzanu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ban the motherfucker for TOS violation and deny him the audience that feeds his hatred of everyone and everything else.

    1. Re:Fuck Twitter appeasement by DogDude · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Who cares? Let him use some third rate, white-only application to shit on other people.

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    2. Re:Fuck Twitter appeasement by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can't help but think that the alt-right movement is a symptom of that. That, and I think you can only try to feminize society so much before you'll get a reaction, which is also what this is. We live in a world where a guy can kill somebody while reckless driving, sue some of the people that he injured, and then suddenly he's a brave hero because he has gender identity disorder and got a sex change.

    3. Re:Fuck Twitter appeasement by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, you can convince them [thedailybeast.com] to be less racist. Yes, if the neo-Nazis gain a lot of power, then - and only then - is violence the best way to deal with them.

      According to Richard Spencer, they've just won the White House. Does that meet your standard of gaining a "lot of power"?

      Me, I take them at their word. When someone tells you who they are, believe them the first time. I actually knew people who fought Nazis in Europe last century. If they could have crushed Nazism when it was just 3000 guys in a beer hall, they wouldn't have hesitated. It was that bad. I take them at their word, too.

      If you want to spend time changing Nazis minds, be my guest, and I wish you luck. You can start with the incoming President's Chief Strategist. It's up to the rest of us to have a contingency if you fail.

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    4. Re:Fuck Twitter appeasement by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So the whole 'personal responsibility' thing the conservatives are always going on about ONLY applies to poor people or drug addicts or whatever group you currently want to justify not helping (or more usually - going out of your way to screw by voting for somebody who promised to make a law that takes away the things that keep them alive.

      It doesn't apply to rightwingers. When people go asshole neo-nazi like the alt-right - somehow that's the fault of progressives ? You do realize that this shit existed long before progressives right ? Kind of makes the "you caused this" thing an obvious piece of bullshit.

      No, the ONLY thing that changed this year is that these assholes who HAVE BEEN THERE ALL ALONG - have come out of the woodwork, because Orange Hitler made them feel safe and secure in doing so. They never went away. Hell black people have been telling you how they bump into these people every day and get mistreated by them as a daily life thing for decades ! Just because you were able to pretend they didn't exist anymore, doesn't mean they weren't real.

      And nobody has tried to 'feminize' society, absolutely nobody has ever been asked (at least, not by the progressives) to 'act against their biology'. I find it incredibly insulting that you seem to believe that just because I *have* a dick I automatically have to *be* a dick. What has feminists done that's so bad ? They asked you to call out your buddies when they make rape jokes - because that sort of shit make actual rapists feel justified and safe. They asked you to actually *ask* the girl before you touch her privates- and to be a decent enough human being not to take advantage of a drunk woman.

      These are not 'against your biology' - it is merely being a decent human being. If you find anything they've asked for excessive- it's not your biology that's the problem, it's the fact that you are a horrible human being and the entire species would benefit from your death.

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    5. Re:Fuck Twitter appeasement by silentcoder · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So what you're saying is... liberals will respect, abide by and defend supreme court decisions EVEN IF THEY DON'T AGREE WITH THEM - and may even come to change their minds in time.
      Now sure, liberals are still pretty hopeful of overturning citizens united but that is a pretty damn recent finding.

      Call me when conservatives stop trying to overturn Roe v Wade and instead just embrace it as the law of the land. As it stands, if history is any indication - the only reason there won't be a lot of people protesting Obergefell in 30 years is because everybody protesting it NOW will be dead.

      That's the crux of course, conservative America is literally dying of old age. We don't need to FIGHT the culture war anymore, we can just wait it out. We won the day the youth started thinking gay people should have the same rights as straight people, trans people should be respected and have equal rights... and that anybody who thinks the bible says different is reading it wrong.

      65% of the country supports gay marriage, and for under 30's it's close to 80%. The young republicans don't support this shit anymore. They realized that saying they want government 'off our backs' doesn't make sense if they ALSO support government getting 'in your vagina'. They know that Planned Parenthood NEVER does a single abortion with tax money (it would be illegal) and provides thousands of other very needed health services that have nothing to do with the only one that older republicans care about - and how vital these things are.

      The liberals have won - because even the conservative young people agree with us on these things.

      One day, people will think of those who fought against equal rights for gay people very much the same way you now think about those who fought against abolitionism. Because that is EXACTLY what they are.

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    6. Re:Fuck Twitter appeasement by scamper_22 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Here's the thing.

      First some background. I was born in South Africa and lived under apartheid. I'm a brown person. I'm amply aware of white supremacy and hate it with every inch of my soul. However, I've also seen black supremacy and black nationalism. While white supremacy oppressed us, black supremacy burned down our town. And yeah, I've also seen brown/Islamic supremacy (my own group). Heck, even in the UK, I have Indian Muslim family I visit that gloats how they got together and drove the blacks out of the neighborhood because they bring drugs and prostitution.

      I give all that as a background because if you live in any way long enough you quickly realize how every group has an 'alt-right'. This point cannot be overstated enough.

      Now when white people were just so damn powerful as it was the 'norm,' yeah we could all just pretend only white people were racist. Or I guess in modern social justice terms... that only white racists matter because only whites have power.

      This is some serious bull shit in my view, because all groups have power. I'm in Canada now. I'm Indian. My high school heavily Indian. Yeah, do you think white kids had any power? Nope, they got punked off for being white same as any other people.

      This is the point we are in history and why the alt-right is more prevalent. Regular white people are seeing how society is allowing every other gang to arm itself and spread itself to the teeth, while singling our only white people.

      Only white people can't be proud of their identity.
      Black power... that's a good thing. Not for me. To use modern lingo. I get triggered by black power as rioting black people burned down my home in South Africa in the name of black power.
      Indian power... that's a good thing because ethnic people need to have an identity. ...
      women power... that's a good thing.. because...feminism.

      These extremist groups really only gain power when regular people starting siding with them. I'm a bit of a realist. I don't pretend we can stamp out all form of hate, but various thing in regular society have people join their 'alt-right' movement and think they are legitimate.

      Again I can speak from my own example. Muslim communities are segregationist and racist to any level. You can't be openly gay. Heck, it's really tough to have openly left Islam as I did. I'm still battling through it.

      I really and truly don't see any different between white supremacists and muslim supremacists and black supremacists... hate is hate.

      The danger we face is that we've empowered and encouraged and turned a blind eye to all the other supremacist groups out there. White people aren't really blind to this and what is natural but to be sympathetic to the people who even have your interest at heart.

      Oh I see parallels all over the place. White people might not be part of the alt-right, but they sympathize. The same way most Muslims aren't part of ISIS or radical groups, but they do sympathize. You I attend regular family functions with regular Muslim people and I get to hear wonderful conversation like:

      It's sad people got killed over cartoons, but they really shouldn't be speaking about Islam anyways.

      I guarantee you there's some white people today going, I'm not for hate or white supremacy, but all I want is for my kids to have an identity they can be proud of or very legitimate issue X,Y,Z.

      Basically, of course you're right the alt-right has always been there. The problem is you can't just take this approach to only white people. It's basic group tribal dynamics. And society has changed quite a lot. It's not the 1960s USA where no other group had power, but white people and no other group is filled with hate and a conquest to subjugate and segregate other people.

      It's sad to see us a society not really demanding every other alt-right part of society be pushed to non-acceptance as well.

      It's also sad that regular white people can't just have a regular white identity and be proud of it.

  2. Right to free speech by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Ban the motherfucker for TOS violation and deny him the audience that feeds his hatred of everyone and everything else.

    Firstly, I'm not convinced that he promotes hatred.

    We've learned in the last few weeks that the mainstream media is quick to mislabel something as bigoted and other related labels, so long as it promotes their position. To get to the truth you have to actually find the statements some person was saying, and then determine for oneself whether they're bigoted or not.

    (And I haven't taken the time or effort to do this for Richard Spencer, never heard of him before this moment.)

    And further, asking whether Trump was bigoted caused people to post entirely non-bigotry quotes as "proof" of his racism. Mexico isn't a race, he was specifically referring to criminals, Islam is not a race (it's a culture), and so on.

    It's gotten so that no one can even mention race in an academic sense without being called a bigot, because the left knows that it's an easy way to shut down debate on the subject.

    Secondly, the term "KKK member" has strong connotations, "white supremacist" is largely indicative of bias, but "white nationalist" seems like it's a tailored term to insult and demean most of the people who voted for Trump. It's trying to equate voting for Trump with white supremacy, which again is a way of shutting down debate on the issue. I'm white, I want the government to put the US first in things (such as trade agreements), but I'm not a racist or hateful person. Why am I (and half the country) always marginalized by the left?

    It's estimated that there are less than 50,000 white supremacists in the entire country, and less than 1000 of the tattooed, nazi-ish, violent types that you see in a Banshee episode.

    Trump got elected because there are real issues that were not being addressed by the establishment, but no one on the left *or* right has owned up to this simple fact.

    Instead, it's all about racism. Voting for Trump was a hate crime.

    Thirdly, the left really *really* doesn't have any good sense of priorities when it comes to human rights. Apparently anything goes, so long as it promotes their agenda. This twitter thing, and the quote above, is a good example of that in practice.

    We don't allow twitter to hire only whites (14th amendment &c), or only men (19th amendment). We don't allow twitter to refuse services to gays or older people or the poor or veterans, because that would be a violation of their rights.

    Why do we allow twitter to violate first amendment rights?

    No one is required to give you a public forum, the saying goes, but Twitter *is* a public forum.

    And finally, recall about a decade ago how ISPs would turn over subscriber information to the government on request without a warrant. The government thought that was OK because the ISPs were free to refuse, and it wasn't a violation of our rights because it wasn't the government doing it.

    If we let companies censor our speech, then the same situation will happen. The government can "request" something be censored, with a wink and a nudge, and it won't be the government doing it.

    We're rapidly losing our free speech rights.

    And it starts with leftist idiots like the OP above, who thinks it's OK to violate that right, so long as the ends are virtuous.

    1. Re:Right to free speech by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Did you know that Israel has a 70 year history of its neighbors denying its right to even EXIST?

      The Jews were never more than a racial minority in that region, they got kicked out, and they got reinstalled by force.

      accidents and unfortunate issues happen, and that because of ONE action you claim the entire nation and defunct?

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

      One action? You're hilarious.

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  3. Re:KKK is an Terrorist Organization by Jzanu · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, its just that you don't follow the news very well.

  4. Re:"White Nationalist" is racist term by bongey · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yeah , not a formal group, but just walk down a mile on any Martin Luther King Dr, in any city as a white person at midnight. Something will happen to you.