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Twitter Reinstates White Nationalist Leader's Account (buzzfeed.com)
An anonymous reader quotes BuzzFeed:
On Saturday evening, Twitter reinstated -- with verification -- the account of Richard Spencer, a leading figure of the so-called alt-right movement, and the head of the white nationalist think tank, The National Policy Institute. Spencer's account was suspended mid-November as part of a larger cull of prominent alt-right accounts... However, according to Twitter, Spencer was banned on a technicality: creating multiple accounts with overlapping uses. Twitter's multiple account policy was put in place as a safeguard to help curb dog piling and targeted harassment. [Twitter] offered to reinstate one of Spencer's accounts if he agreed to follow the company's protocols.
Vox says the move "raises the question of to what extent Twitter intends to enforce the 'hateful conduct' policy." But the suspension had also been criticized by David Frum, a senior editor at the Atlantic, who wrote that "The culture of offense-taking, platform-denying, and heckler-vetoing...lets loudmouths and thugs present themselves as heroes of free thought. They do not deserve this opportunity... today, a neo-Nazi has more right to build an arsenal of weapons and drill a militia than to speak on Twitter." But BuzzFeed points out that though the account's been reinstated, Spencer "is now tip-toeing around the company's three strike policy, which carries a permanent suspension."
Vox says the move "raises the question of to what extent Twitter intends to enforce the 'hateful conduct' policy." But the suspension had also been criticized by David Frum, a senior editor at the Atlantic, who wrote that "The culture of offense-taking, platform-denying, and heckler-vetoing...lets loudmouths and thugs present themselves as heroes of free thought. They do not deserve this opportunity... today, a neo-Nazi has more right to build an arsenal of weapons and drill a militia than to speak on Twitter." But BuzzFeed points out that though the account's been reinstated, Spencer "is now tip-toeing around the company's three strike policy, which carries a permanent suspension."
Ban the motherfucker for TOS violation and deny him the audience that feeds his hatred of everyone and everything else.
alt-right = neo nazi white nationalist = neo nazi. certain trump cabinet members = neo nazi. facts are facts. own up to it,
The term "White Nationalist" is meant to evoke the term "Nazi" mixed with "KKK".
But really it's neither of those things. A nationalist (of any skin color) simply wants government to put the interests of his nation first, above those of other nations generally.
When put that way it doesn't sound scary (or even unreasonable) at all. A nationalist can still want to work with other countries, can still support legal immigration - it simply means they adopt the doctors credo "First do no Harm". That is why the chattering news must paint the term with a racial brush, to frighten children or the weak minded...
Note they never call out "black nationalists" even though there are plenty of them... that would be racist after all! But it's OK to try and evoke hate for people based on color when they are white.
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because these groups have been hitting the dog whistle so hard you'd think they picked up a coaches whistle by mistake.
And we called out Black Nationalists in the 70s. They mostly calmed the hell down and stopped being racists. The White Nationalists didn't do that when they were called out. They doubled and trippled down. Mostly because they're being used by a wealthy elite to win elections and stuff state legislatures with pro-corporate anti-worker politicians. That's what pisses me off the most about racism. It's just an excuse to give everything to the 1%.
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Wow... when Trump wants something done, it really does get done!
Compare that number to the amount killed by Muslim extremists.
Realize you are terrible at math.
Ban the motherfucker for TOS violation and deny him the audience that feeds his hatred of everyone and everything else.
Firstly, I'm not convinced that he promotes hatred.
We've learned in the last few weeks that the mainstream media is quick to mislabel something as bigoted and other related labels, so long as it promotes their position. To get to the truth you have to actually find the statements some person was saying, and then determine for oneself whether they're bigoted or not.
(And I haven't taken the time or effort to do this for Richard Spencer, never heard of him before this moment.)
And further, asking whether Trump was bigoted caused people to post entirely non-bigotry quotes as "proof" of his racism. Mexico isn't a race, he was specifically referring to criminals, Islam is not a race (it's a culture), and so on.
It's gotten so that no one can even mention race in an academic sense without being called a bigot, because the left knows that it's an easy way to shut down debate on the subject.
Secondly, the term "KKK member" has strong connotations, "white supremacist" is largely indicative of bias, but "white nationalist" seems like it's a tailored term to insult and demean most of the people who voted for Trump. It's trying to equate voting for Trump with white supremacy, which again is a way of shutting down debate on the issue. I'm white, I want the government to put the US first in things (such as trade agreements), but I'm not a racist or hateful person. Why am I (and half the country) always marginalized by the left?
It's estimated that there are less than 50,000 white supremacists in the entire country, and less than 1000 of the tattooed, nazi-ish, violent types that you see in a Banshee episode.
Trump got elected because there are real issues that were not being addressed by the establishment, but no one on the left *or* right has owned up to this simple fact.
Instead, it's all about racism. Voting for Trump was a hate crime.
Thirdly, the left really *really* doesn't have any good sense of priorities when it comes to human rights. Apparently anything goes, so long as it promotes their agenda. This twitter thing, and the quote above, is a good example of that in practice.
We don't allow twitter to hire only whites (14th amendment &c), or only men (19th amendment). We don't allow twitter to refuse services to gays or older people or the poor or veterans, because that would be a violation of their rights.
Why do we allow twitter to violate first amendment rights?
No one is required to give you a public forum, the saying goes, but Twitter *is* a public forum.
And finally, recall about a decade ago how ISPs would turn over subscriber information to the government on request without a warrant. The government thought that was OK because the ISPs were free to refuse, and it wasn't a violation of our rights because it wasn't the government doing it.
If we let companies censor our speech, then the same situation will happen. The government can "request" something be censored, with a wink and a nudge, and it won't be the government doing it.
We're rapidly losing our free speech rights.
And it starts with leftist idiots like the OP above, who thinks it's OK to violate that right, so long as the ends are virtuous.
No, its just that you don't follow the news very well.
Convenient list that ignores 49 killed in the name of Islam in Miami. That attack ALONE outstrips all those the Guardian totals up over 14 years as attributable to the KKK and white nationalists. They have an agenda, obviously, and because it goes along with your own agenda - you champion it. Even though it's missing GROSS chunks of attacks (San Bernardino anyone?)
Also interesting that the total starts AFTER 9/11 - giving a few thousand head start to the Islamic terrorists... But then, to offset that, you'd have to go back to the KKK in the pre-civil-rights movement, when it was the DEMOCRAT ENFORCEMENT wing with proud member Robert "sheets" Byrd and Fullbright (BilL Clinton's idol) leading the charge against those uppity black folks...
That article is total shit. Is says things like "groups like the KKK", and " people aligned with the KKK". I'm not even certain that the KKK has actually killed anyone since 9/11. Also the claim was the KKK, not racial extremist groups. Would you consider a Black Panther murder the same thing? I would, but most of you SJW idiots wouldn't.
Actually it was Hillary Clinton's infamy and unfitness for office that elected Donald Trump, in a close contest of infamy and poor fit for the job. Trump outperformed Romney in non-whites across the board. Dems could have run just about anyone but Clinton and taken the office. But no.
Unlike Ronald Reagan, who just gave them the fucking weapons they wanted so they could use them against us.
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The "alt-right" was developed as a term to describe groups of conservatives who are not mainstream conservatives or establishment Republicans. As a classification term, it didn't imply racism- it encompassed several different groups of thought. I'm not sure how it was turned into a "movement", despite all these groups not really identifying as such, but I know that if you change "a classification for non-mainstream conservatives" into "a movement that accepts neo-nazis", you've totally redefined the term. Probably with the purpose of painting the non-mainstream conservatives with a neo-nazi brush, despite there being a decent number of the former, and only a handful of jackhats in the latter.
Regardless, it is done, and it happened super fast and recently. Already, the non-racist conservatives who are not mainstream have begun rebranding themselves to make plain that they are not "alt-right", because now the term just means "neo-nazi".
That's for sure.
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Twitter has gladly helped criminals, abusers, and racists - as long as they were leftists. Some of them even have the ear of Twitter's Ministry of Truth & Safety department.
When we start hearing of people on the left get removed from Twitter (permanently), then they might have some shred of legitimacy.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
The only violation that matters is not being a proper leftist according to Twitter.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
1) first amendment rights in America really need to apply for this. The idea of the internet is that it is no different than speaking publicly.
That's right. And part of the idea of free speech is that I do not owe you a soapbox to stand upon.
2) it is far better to know what this WT is up to. And the only way is to have him record it on a freely available medium, such as twitter.
Let him run his own blog, like everyone competent.
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> These literal fascists can't be "debated", they can't be coddled, they must be beaten and when they try to act they must be shot without mercy.
An odd statement. If you go back to read up on Karl Popper's "paradox of tolerance" he justified his intolerance of intolerance by pointing out the fear that such people would resort to "fists or pistols" instead of debate. And so he justified his idea by the right of self-defense.
In other words, anyone who is inciting or committing violence should not be tolerated.
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Bullshit. They wish there were enough of them to swing an election, and I'm sure that the left wing wishes that's why Hillary lost so that they could cling to their precious moral superiority hobbyhorse, but wishing doesn't make it so.
Trump didn't even get as many votes as Romney, and Romney was up against the most popular democrat since JFK.
He won, because the Democrats nominated the only crook in the country who could lose to him. Feeding Hillary's black hole of an ego instead of choosing a viable candidate is the biggest mistake they've made since firing on Fort Sumter.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
"The guy is a Nazi."
That's just a label that people like you apply to others in order to deny them a forum. Exactly the way people use "Racist!" and "Racism!". Have you ever bothered to read anything written by Richard Spencer, or do you just read the out-of-context quotes which attempt to make him look bad? Have you ever listened to anything he has to say, or do you only listen to what the MSM say about him? Trump's appeal to the so-called "alt-right", apart from his immigration policy, is his reaction when the media tried to use the magic R-word to discredit him. Rather than fall all over himself apologizing like most people, Trump did what should have been done long ago and basically ignored the professionally offended.
"We have pretty good evidence that leaving Nazism unchecked leads to bad outcomes."
What "evidence" would that be? You mean you have ONE observation? Meanwhile, we have numerous historical examples of socialism and communism leading to the slaughter of tens of millions of people, typically the citizens of nations where this ideology takes hold. Still, we don't see determined efforts to ban commies from social media. We don't see PayPal shutting down their accounts. Nor do we see people using protest or violence to prevent commies from meeting, speaking or demonstrating. Why not?
The main '-ism' to be scared of is and always has been "authoritarianism". It doesn't matter if it's nazism, communism, socialism, monarchy or even "democracy". Too much power in too few hands is at the root of all of these historical horrors. All of the murderous authoritarian regimes have another thing in common as well. They always stifle free speech and political dissent.
No, that's how he self-identifies. When you're throwing up heil Hitler salutes and screaming Heil Trump, and you're a white supremacist and anti-semite, it's a pretty good indication that you're a Nazi.
One observation where they killed millions upon millions in ovens using poison gas. Yeah, that's pretty compelling evidence.
Twitter is not a government regime. The nazi guy can go over to Gab and march around all day long. He's got Reddit. He's got 4chan. He's got voat. All the places where he can feel safe among other white nationalists are open to him. But he can't come into my house. And if they so decide, he can't come into Twitter's house either.
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