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Energy Department Refuses To Give Trump Team Names of People Who Worked On Climate Change (businessinsider.com)
The Department of Energy said Tuesday it will reject the request by President-elect Donald Trump's transition team to name staffers who worked on climate change programs. Energy spokesman Eben Burnhan-Snyder said the agency received "significant feedback" from workers regarding a questionnaire from the transition team that leaked last week. From a Reuters story, syndicated on BusinessInsider: The response from the Energy Department could signal a rocky transition for the president-elect's energy team and potential friction between the new leadership and the staffers who remain in place. The memo sent to the Energy Department on Tuesday and reviewed by Reuters last week contains 74 questions including a request for a list of all department employees and contractors who attended the annual global climate talks hosted by the United Nations within the last five years. "Our career workforce, including our contractors and employees at our labs, comprise the backbone of (the Energy Department) and the important work our department does to benefit the American people," Eben Burnham-Snyder, Energy Department spokesman said. "We are going to respect the professional and scientific integrity and independence of our employees at our labs and across our department," he added. "We will be forthcoming with all publicly available information with the transition team. We will not be providing any individual names to the transition team."
The management has to know this will get them sacked, and yet they still protected their team.
Good on them, and may they be showered by job offers once sacked.
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Good luck.... Refuse a lawful request from your new employer.
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Come January 20th and the team stops being "transition team" and becomes "Executive Government". Though we'd rather not, we can wait 'till then...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Yes, let the purge of climatologists began. After all, King Trump will demonstrate, unlike King Canute, that he can stop the tides!
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I call it a witch hunt against scientists by evil men, enabled by morons like yourself.
CO2 won't stop magically absorbing solar radiation and heating the lower atmosphere just because Trump and his science-hating peons get rid of the scientists. The universe doesn't give one flying fuck about Donald Trump or some halfwit who goes around by the handle SuperKendall.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Try harder! Calling people Nazis stopped being effective about 3 weeks ago.
Trump has openly and repeatedly stated that he thinks climate change isn't real, and that it's a conspiracy. On at least one occasion, he directly attributed this conspiracy to the Chinese government. There really aren't very many reasons someone who thinks those things would want this information.
"Oh, and since the science is settled abuot climate change, the EPA obviously doesn't need anybody to research it... right?"
Actually since so many are rejecting facts, we need to keep proving the fact as many times as possible until it gets through their thick heads or they give up. If those that reject facts would get out of their feelings and look at the data for what it is, not what they want it to be, we could have stopped researching "is it happening" and we could be on , "how do we fix it." But as usual, science deniers are holding all progress back, because it just does not feel real.
"Science is the power of man"
And CO2 won't stop magically absorbing solar radiation and heating the lower atmosphere just because we keep hiring more scientists that keep telling us the same thing over and over again. We don't need thousands of researchers researching something on which there is basically broad consensus.
Where there isn't broad consensus is what to do about it. That's a tradeoff between economic growth and carbon emissions. Climate scientists are not qualified to speak to that, and their beliefs, opinions, or research results are irrelevant to that question.
and rejects this monstrosity. Not likely, but that's the reason they exist.
Oh stop using common sense! You will just confuse quite a few people.
Science doesn't just stop. More research is always needed in virtually every area of research.
There's no real trade off. Don't start curbing CO2 emissions substantially now, and the cost to national and global economies in fifty years will be beyond astronomical.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
I wonder what the US situation with respect to international relationships will look like in 4 years time.
When I first heard that Trump had won, my first thought was, how much damage could he really do?
As I see what he is doing, it seems a lot. ;)
Take for example China. Most of the EU countries have already privately told China that they will follow the status quo regardless of that Trump does or says.
Most of the world is pretty angry about the anti-climate change stuff and there is already talk about locking the US out of the market.
Naturally this would have a huge impact on EU companies as well.
The more I see what this ass hat is doing though, the more I think this is really a turning point for the US and its decline in prominence from the world stage. I guess that is natural. Countries come and go, rise a fall. I do not imagine that will stop just because it is the present.
It is not just about climate change either. Heck, he is even gutting the FCC and forbidding them to protect consumers. Remember how the FCC made those carriers stop the millions in over billing? Those days are over.
The carriers, under Trump will literally be able to do what ever they want.
I have customers who cant wait for Trump because they think they can stop testing their devices for the US market and just sell it.
Still, I really do wish those of you in the US the best of luck. There is a good chance though that you fuckballs screwed us all. At least we dont have to worry about your F35 shooting down our planes though
You're the delicate little snowflake
"Oooh noooo, science says we're doing something bad, but i'm a whittle baby and want my cheap dirty energy! Science bad!"
We're fucked, and it's because of contemptible even morons like you.
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If he defunds climate research and fires all the government climatologists, not to mention depriving university researchers of satellite monitoring (which the move against NASA's climate research is clearly meant to do), the damage to US science will be incalculable. In four years, you'll probably see the amount of atmospheric and oceanic research dwindle.
Of course, the laws of physics won't change, so AGW will keep getting worse, but Trump and his band of anti-science fanatics will be long gone by the time the morons who voted him in begin to find out just how much of a fucking moron he was. The only thing that I can think of that comes close is the incompetence of the Administrations prior to Lincoln when trying to deal with the free/slave state issues, making the Civil War inevitable. History doesn't remember Buchanan fondly, though it did very little for the tens of thousands of soldiers that died during the Civil War.
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Silence!! Didn't you know the internet is now only used for bashing things that Trump might potentially do, while acting as if they both already happened and had horrible repercussions!?
This is what losing an election like this means...it means your time of screwing over the other side is up and now you best lube up yourself. Then it will sawp back and be same as always.
And this is what is wrong with America. So many people want to cheer and say "screw the other side" or "lube up" as you put it. Well, you realize the "other side" is a good 30-40% minimum of the population of America. You screw that many people over and what you are really doing is screwing the country over, yourself included. I mean hell, Americans didn't hate each other as much during the Civil War as they do now. We are on a downward path of animosity, fiery rhetoric, obstructionism, and retribution that would leave America in such a state that even Nero would put down his lyre. Make America great again? With the current state of our politics I'm not so sure we deserve to be great anymore.
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
Leftists don't believe in guns, and definitely not for using them in a civil uprising.
The Bolsheviks would like a word with you...
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Democrats did get more votes than Reps. However this argument is moot and irrelevant.
In response to a "going against the will of the voters" argument, it is in no way irrelevant. It is not being brought up to try claim HRC is the real president - it's being brought up to refute the claim that DT has some sort of mandate from the masses.
Everyone seems to think they want this so they can blacklist them. Maybe they want this so they can hire the proper people for certain cabinet positions.
Then why did he make a climate change denier the head of the EPA to start with?
it should be noted that the exercise in futility that Stein initiated revealed FRAUD, clear and obvious within the Michigan election, favoring Hillary, even though Trump won.
Sorry, but that number of popular votes thing...you don't want to be flogging that. We all know for a fact that those votes came basically from California...where they let and encouraged Illegal Aliens to vote.
She didn't win that vote and you, if you're honest with yourself (which you clearly aren't...or with anyone else, for that matter...) would not lead with that fucked up lie. But here we are.
If you genuinely want to know what to *do* about climate change, don't you think it would be helpful to better know exactly how it's going to happen, along with where, when, and of course how much? So we can predict in detail what will happen, and prepare appropriately for it. You do want to use your mitigation and adaption budget as effectively as possible, right?
Why would anyone engrave "Elbereth"?
Well yeah, philosophically there isn't any really good comeback to nihilism.
How about this (said to a self-proclaimed nihilist): "You are a liar and a hypocrite. If you really thought nothing mattered, you not bother to continue living." Every living self-proclaimed nihilist is a lying hypocrite. The "nihilism" is only selectively deployed against things they don't like (yet again proof of their lying hypocrisy).
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I'd hardly call meeting the standards the Constitutional (you know, law of the land) mandated method of choosing a president, a mere "technicality".
If you think that, I'd suggest you start boning up on your old civics classes.
You are a member of your state FIRST, and then a member of the United States second. There is a valid reason it is set up the way it is.....to balance the power of the States and the States' voices for who the president is.
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how is this insightful? flamebait or troll or off topic maybe
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Khm, "unfit"? When I called Obama "unfit", you called me racist. If I called Hillary Clinton "unfit", you would've called me sexist.
You are calling Trump unfit — what do you call yourself? He won — fair and square. Suck it up, cupcakes...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
The consensus is that General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics explain a significant amount of physical phenomena. The consensus is that biological evolution and common descent explain the diversity of life we see on this planet. The consensus is that the universe is a little over 13 billion years old. The consensus is that HIV causes AIDS. The consensus is that the human brain is the seat of consciousness. The consensus is that electrons exist and carry a negative charge. The consensus is that CO2 absorbs solar radiation in certain spectra and re-emits that energy, thus creating a situation in which higher concentrations of CO2 can lead to more energy (heat) in the lower atmosphere.
Consensus built on data and experiment isn't bad, so the idea that you can just simply declare "consensus is wrong" is beyond absurd. It's sort of taking Kuhn's paradigm shift (an idea even he later admitted he'd overstated) to an extreme, whereby science is somehow not the steady building of knowledge, but rather periods of lazy acceptance punctured by periods of extreme change and new ideas. While such events do happen, they happen extremely rarely, and I'd challenge you to name more than a handful of scientific theories that have been out and out falsified. The only major ones in the last hundred years or so I can think of that have been thrown out are some of the pre-tectonic geological theories and the Steady State model. Even Newtonian mechanics wasn't really falsified, and serves as a reasonable way of making calculations in non-relativistic applications (which apply to most normal problems).
So what we have here at the end of the day is posters like you just mindlessly repeating Koch brothers memes, with a near total ignorance of science.
And at the end of the day, CO2 has the properties it has, and those properties have been known for well over a century, as has the basic idea that if you increase CO2 concentrations even fractionally in the atmosphere, you will inevitably, as a consequence of the way the universe functions, trap energy (heat) in the lower atmosphere, which will lead to warming of both land and ocean. Couple that with the way oceanic chemistry works, it also means you alter the pH level of the oceans, effectively acidifying them. There is absolutely nothing controversial this. This is simply the way the universe works. It doesn't care that you don't like the effects. It doesn't care about your ideology or who you voted for president. The universe functions the way it does, and all your declarations to the otherwise are simply the utterings of a fool on the Internet, impotent, ignorant, and just plain goddamned stupid.
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So his opposition to some of the purely political "solutions" to climate change make him a climate change denier? His urge to see countries like China held to the same standard as, say, France or the US - that makes him a "denier?"
No, the article he wrote for National Review in which he trotted out the old denialist tropes about scientific uncertainty shows he's a denialist:
That debate is far from settled. Scientists continue to disagree about the degree and extent of global warming and its connection to the actions of mankind.
It must be wonderful to be able to set any arbitrary standard rather than "preponderance of evidence" for your preferred policy position -- in this case unanimity of all scientists in the world (apparently without regard to their particularly disciplinary qualifications going by past appeals of denialists to "scientific disagreement").
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