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AMD Unveils First Zen Desktop Processor Details, Picks 'Ryzen' To Brand Zen CPU (hothardware.com)
MojoKid writes from a report via HotHardware: AMD has just officially unveiled that desktop variants of its Zen processor family will now be branded RYZEN. Zen-based processors will eventually target desktops, servers, and mobiles device, but the first wave of products will be targeted at the performance desktop market, where gamers and VR continue to spur growth. AMD is positioning RYZEN as a high-performance option and though there will be other core configurations as well, AMD has disclosed that one of the high-end options in the initial RYZEN line-up will feature 8 cores (16 threads with SMT) and at minimum a 3.4 GHz base clock, with higher turbo frequencies. That processor will also be outfitted with 20MB of cache -- 4MB of L2 and 16MB of L3 -- and it will be infused with what AMD is calling SenseMI technology. SenseMI is essentially fancy branding for the updated branch predictor, prefetcher, and power and control logic in Zen. AMD's upcoming AM4 platform for RYZEN will be outfitted with all of the features expected of a modern PC enthusiast platform. AM4 motherboards will use DDR4 memory and feature PCIe Gen 3 connectivity, and support for USB 3.1 Gen 2, NVMe, and SATA Express. Performance demos of RYZEN shown to members of the press pit a stock Intel Core i7-6900K (3.2GHz base, 3.7GHz turbo) with Turbo Boost that was enabled on the 6900K, versus RYZEN with boost disabled running at 3.4GHz flat. In the demo, the RYZEN system outpaced the Core i7-6900K by a few seconds.
Finally catching up?
I might need to give AMD some money this time around.
In light of their recent APU units with massive DP performance on the iGPU (apparently a 1:2 DP:SP ratio), if they pair those iGPUs with four Zen cores, I'm definitely in! Numericians would approve.
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Mojo Ryzen...
Table-ized A.I.
Didn't see anything about it in TFA...anyone know what these CPUs will cost?
I'm interested.... but...
Hate the name "Ryzin" reminds of of "ricin".
Can't wait for the benchmarks.
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Maybe I'm remembering this incorrectly but hasn't AMD made basically nothing for the PC since Vishera, or those 220W monster versions of the Vishera CPUs. It's been like 2-3 years or something. How did they go that long without releasing anything?!
I think the idea is to use HSA (http://developer.amd.com/resources/heterogeneous-computing/what-is-heterogeneous-system-architecture-hsa/) on the higher-end equipment. APUs are for the lower-cost.
Back around 2006 or 2007 AMD made a huge announcement that they bought ATI graphics. Around the same time Intel released the Core series of CPUs and blew AMD out of the water. Instead of investing in r&d they spent all their capital on a graphics card company. AMD has been playing catch up ever since.
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Indeed. It's good to have them around for competition, at least. And AMD systems are usually upgradeable for years to come.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10907/amd-gives-more-zen-details-ryzen-34-ghz-nvme-neural-net-prediction-25-mhz-boost-steps
AMD gives more ZEN details.
Ayy!!
Ryzen? That's a funny name for an AMD cpu. I would've called it one of:
Farmtractoron
Oxdrawn ploweon *
Slowandsteady winstheraceium *
Structurally soundiun *
External talentftwium *
Cyriximean amdinsteadiun *
Clappedoutbut reliableoldnageon *
Honestly, their marketing people are as talented as their engineers.
* Inserted spaced b/c "lameness filter" didn't like the long words.
"And AMD systems are usually upgradeable for years to come"
That's one reason why I've kept buying their CPUs.
I built an all-new systems in 2006 with an AM2 CPU on an nForce mainboard with 2GB PC2-5300 and kept upgrading it piecemeal over the next 6 years until reaching a FX-8150 system with 16GB DDR3. My laptops and servers (mostly 2ndhand) have all been Intel. Remains to be seen if that changes in the next couple years.
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more pci-e lanes then inlet's 16+4(DMI) out there cpus other then older gen server / workstations cpus that start at $350-$400.
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than a cheap discrete graphics + cpu? The trouble I had with APUs is that for another $20 bucks you could get a regular CPU + a cheap graphics card and get between 30-50% better performance. If you were willing to gamble on a used GPU you could often do a hell of a lot better (but you might get something that had the oven trick done to it). The only folks I saw using APUs were guys in Latin America where strict import rules made it hard to get discrete graphics.
Now, give me 60 fps at 1080p medium for current gen and make it cheap for OEMs and you might have something. Give me a box like that for $400 with a nice profit margin for the OEM and we'll talk. But until then I'll scrounge up that extra $20 and put together a box with better specs.
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What were they thinking? Just hop off of a the Zen roller-coaster that people on wall street have been hearing about--and switch to a name that has to be clarified on every corporate release.
Trying everything they can to shake success from the back of their release.
Change the name back. It's not too late.
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I've got an A10-5800k. It's a big upgrade over the Athlon XP 6000+ it replaced (about 3 times faster) but the board is at a dead end. I think there's one marginally faster CPU I could put in it, but it won't even take a 7800k. And an 8350k looks like the end of the road for those boards.
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What fucking use is this 'outpaced by a few seconds' bullshit in the summary? Over an hour long test? Over a minute long test? Over a five second test?
I don't suppose anybody remembers Peter Tuddenham, as the computer of the Liberator
Bait for Wenchmarks.
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I bought an AMD Phenom II X4 945 years ago to go on an AM2+ socket motherboard with DDR2. Used it on that motherboard for a year or so and then upgraded the rest of the system with a new AM3+ motherboard and DDR3 RAM. The fact that they had both DDR2 *and* DDR3 memory controllers and inter-socket compatibility just goes to show how committed they have been to people using their CPUs. This system now has an FX-8350 and it's keeping up well with the times.
With AMD you don't always have to spend $1.5k-2.0k to upgrade your system, which to me is very important. I was kind of hoping this new architecture would be similar to the Phenom II's that had two memory controllers and that I could have done the same trick (inter-socket compatibility), but I suppose they won't do that this time around, though. Nice to hear them gaining some competitive edge on the performance side still.
Honestly, there's no real benefit of Intel vs. AMD in the core performance games. They're both fast enough and if you need real performance, that's where Xeons come in with 22 cores per chip and 4 chips per motherboard... if you can afford it.
There is a lot more to CPUs than just CPUs.
Chipsets:
AMD hasn't had a decent chipset on the market for years. Even though all modern CPUs tend to put the majority of the functions within the CPU itself, there are still things like the actual chipset to think about. Add to that that in my experience, the reference platform designs from AMD for their power circuitry are generally horrible and there's a real problem.
Motherboards:
What good is an awesome CPU if the motherboards are generally just crap. Motherboard manufacturers tend to make one or two AMD motherboards per generation as a token gesture. They don't expect to sell the volumes, so they slap together whatever crap they can get running and put some pretty colors into the slots and heatsinks and call it "Blaster" or something else that's horrible and peddle it off without a BIOS update ever to be seen.
Development tools:
AMD's developer website is all graphics and no CPU. To write proper software for modern hardware, it's necessary to optimize code properly. While CPUs are fast enough, good information on CPU tuning can make a huge difference. Intel for example has released extensive information on their architecture that describes the CPU front end instruction set translator well enough that it's possible to write compilers and JITs that will allow inter-core/process communication without the need for spinlocks or mutexes. Intel also documents all the information necessary to fine tune memory access by placing code on the right cores in order and taking advantage of the CPU ring bus to optimize performance and minimize cache coherency issues. AMD does not.
Where is the AMD optimizations to CLANG or Mono, etc? Where's the optimization settings within Visual Studio or GCC for AMD? These are things that they should be working on to ensure the best performance on their platform.
AMD probably made a great CPU... if we can get into a "FlaskMPEG" style performance war like we once had, it would be amazing.
Same issue as newer Intel hardware:
Even if it is faster, does it really matter if it can be leaking your encryption keys over the network without you ever being the wiser?
If they ever come up with a version of these with an unsigned TrustZone processor and allow the end user to bootstrap their own security policies, then I will reassess their otherwise interesting and performant technology.
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Still running a X4 905e AM2+ Asus Mobo and 8G DDR2 800Mhz repurposed as a HTPC. Changed out the 5770 for a 260x 3 years ago and added a SSD. Never had to open the case other than blow it out. Typing right now on it. 8 years old.
Wow, really? AMD were already making Phenoms in 1071 AD? How did they manage to fall behind Intel then?
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I'll never understand why they went with the name nForce, especially since it was around the time when the battles with nVidia Geforce were the most intense.
I can't have been the only confused as fuck...
I'll never understand why they went with the name nForce, especially since it was around the time when the battles with nVidia Geforce were the most intense.
I can't have been the only confused as fuck...
nForce *was* an nVidia chipset brand, originally for AMD but extending to Intel in later versions
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AMD Phenom II X4 945 is a processor model.
for someone like me who wants focus on GPU rather than CPU performance, don't care about having the absolutely fastest thing, and always looking for the best bang for your buck. I think that easily 4 out of 5 desktop users today get the best deal buying AMD APUs, and only 1 out of 5 are power users with specific needs.
I recently bought the Phenom II X4 945 dropped it in an AM2+/AM3 board I had lying around. It's now my FreeNAS server. I have another Phenom II X4 960T running WinXP for old time's sake (which will soon be switched over to Linux).
That may be so, but I was just trying to be funny. No worries though, happens to me all the time...
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Anyone else think Ricen?
I recently bought the Phenom II X4 945 dropped it in an AM2+/AM3 board I had lying around. It's now my FreeNAS server. I have another Phenom II X4 960T running WinXP for old time's sake (which will soon be switched over to Linux).
I dumped XP from bare metal years ago, before Win 7 got to SP1 but I still have a handful of XP virtual machines I use for various things.
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Do you know you can bump this to 16GB ddr2 800 for cheap?, if you have four slots. Really great bargain on the RAM, on the ancient and well-known e-commerce site.
Nice about the lower power version of the CPU, heat and load on the voltage regulators are a main issue with the whole AM2+/AM3+ platform.
Good thing about your GCN 1.1 card too, too bad there aren't cheaper ones. Where AMD sucks is the low end graphics boards are now too outdated (e.g. Radeon 5450), esp. as I have a worse CPU and run linux.
What virtualization software do you use to run WinXP?
What virtualization software do you use to run WinXP?
I've run it under both Virtualbox & ESXi
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nVidia went with nForce because "pile of crap" was taken.