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150 Filmmakers and Photojournalists Call On Nikon, Sony, and Canon To Build in Encryption (zdnet.com)

Some of the world's leading photojournalists and filmmakers are calling on the manufacturers of the cameras they use to add encryption to their products, as the number of threats they face from having their devices seized is "literally too high to count." From a ZDNet report: Over 150 documentary makers and reporters signed an open letter by the Freedom of the Press Foundation, asking for camera makers -- including Nikon, Sony, and Canon -- to ensure that their work is protected while often "attempting to uncover wrongdoing in the interests of justice." "Documentary filmmakers and photojournalists work in some of the most dangerous parts of the world, often risking their lives to get footage of newsworthy events to the public," said Trevor Timm, the foundation's executive director. But, he said, "they face a variety of threats from border security guards, local police, intelligence agents, terrorists, and criminals when attempting to safely return their footage so that it can be edited and published." The filmmakers say that camera security has lagged behind the rest of the industry, leaving their work "dangerously vulnerable."

229 comments

  1. Custom firmware by Dan+East · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Customer firmware is available for many cameras. Seems to me this can be addressed (or maybe it has already?) by 3rd parties. It might not be universal to every brand and model camera, but it should be possible to achieve this on specific models, which the photographers would then select from for use in these kinds of situations.

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    1. Re:Custom firmware by Verdatum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That could certainly be a stopgap solution. But pros want something that "just works", so it does make sense to urge the big manufacturers to officially support such a feature right out of the box.

    2. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *sigh*

      https://xkcd.com/538/

      Much better to have a camera that autoloads the pictures onto a website far, far away

      Someone mod parent up.

      Dear journalists, repeat after me: encryption is not a panacea

      Journalists may not have consistent access to 3G/4G to upload their pictures. Granted satcom has it's challenges, but that's probably their best backup to a 3G/4G connection.

    3. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SystemD-ED-AFS-VR.exe

    4. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're in the middle of nowhere, you don't have the option to remotely upload. Of course you can and should do this as soon as you reach civilization again, but you might have crossed a border and already have been "inspected" to get to that point.

    5. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I seriously doubt any custom firmware offers any such added huge feature like encryption. That kinda thing is a massive change to the firmware and may well require hardware changes as well.
      The custom ones open extra options in White balance, etc, that are already supported by the hardware, or that the camera maker turns off unless you get the higher model, etc.

    6. Re:Custom firmware by darkain · · Score: 3, Informative

      Cameras use ASIC chips. The "firmware" in question is simply there to tell the ASIC which functions to enable/disable from what is already available. Encryption would break the existing data chain of sensor > ASIC > storage. It would then need to go sensor > ASIC > CPU > storage. Think of the amount of CPU power required to handle data encryption in the first place, these CPUs simply could not keep up. So to add the functionality of encryption, it would have to be implemented in a new generation of their ASIC image processors.

    7. Re:Custom firmware by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Maybe selective encryption to a hidden partition could be useful there.

      For example, you're a journalist in North Korea. In the morning before you head out, you load your encryption key into the camera's RAM for future use via an on-screen keyboard and D-pad (no touch support for security), where it will stay until the SD card is removed or a USB connection is made for example. This won't stop the NSA but it's plenty good enough for less sophisticated attackers. You're taking pics of the things your "guide" wants you to see. Then you see something she surely wouldn't want you to take a picture of, like maybe a family being hauled out of their home to be transported to a death camp, and you snap a picture while your guide isn't looking, and you press a key combination on the camera that copies the picture to a hidden encrypted partition on the SD card and wipes the original. Your guide is suspicious and wants to see what's on the camera and you show her - and it's only the things she's approved of! See, nothing to worry about!

      Maybe your guide is still suspicious and takes your camera to be inspected by the authorities. Unless they dump and inspect the camera's firmware AND do a cold boot attack, they won't find anything out of the ordinary.

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    8. Re:Custom firmware by dargaud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The encryption does not necessarily need to happen on the fly. You can save the images and videos as usual, and then pipe it for the camera to process slowly, even when it's been turned off. Making it use little power is more important than speed IMHO. Although I see no reason why encryption cannot be added to the ASIC.

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    9. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or even more simple. Oh you want your 1500 dollar toy back? Show us what is on it? Oh you didnt? "we need to review it". Never to be seen again. Same effect.

      Encryption does not solve the problem of you not being able to get your pictures out of a country. Its main use is making sure someone can not read your message.

    10. Re: Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Encrypted thumb drive? Or are these vauable hard to get images not worth making a copy of?

    11. Re: Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Satellite is accesible most places

    12. Re: Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lots of times you don't have time to download and store these photos between the event and when the camera can be seized. It may also not make sense to bring a laptop or other device with you if you know that they could be confiscated.

    13. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just glue an SD card to your ass.

      Why glue? More fun that way.

    14. Re: Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you have time to enter a complex 10+ digit decryption password on a camera or smartphone every time you turn it on?

    15. Re: Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes, usually you can do that on the way to the location and then lesve the camera running. i don't see that happening on video cameras, but it will be hard to encrypt tens to hundrets gigabytes per hour anyway.

      but why would you need to fnter the password after turning the thing on. the encryption should be there to keep people from viewing the footage, not from recording it.

    16. Re:Custom firmware by DarthVain · · Score: 1

      I'm kind of surprised this isn't really a thing already. Even given all the crazy reasons listed in the summary, there are probably a lot of people that would prefer that it not be super easy to have someone root through their camera. I know I had a girl accidentally leave her Nikon camera at my house when she left the next morning, and you bet I went though that thing (mostly boring). Even thought about leaving her a few surprises on it (didn't) before I took it back!

      Remember we're not talking about triple locked super encrypted using 8 algorithms a Math AI and a one time pad. Just use some simple encryption. Can it be broken? Probably. However it just needs to be hard enough so that they need to dedicate a lot of resources to do so (in expert staff, hardware, and time). This will keep out anything casual, or anything even official but not serious or vexatious. At the same time if I want to spend the money, and dedicate the cpu cycles, and wait a few months the odds are it isn't for something like taking a picture at a concert you weren't supposed to.

      I'd bet companies viewing the whole Apple VS US Justice system is being watched and likely camera companies contemplating encryption are unlikely to want to make something "unbreakable".

    17. Re:Custom firmware by Digicrat · · Score: 1

      The encryption does not necessarily need to happen on the fly. You can save the images and videos as usual, and then pipe it for the camera to process slowly, even when it's been turned off. Making it use little power is more important than speed IMHO. Although I see no reason why encryption cannot be added to the ASIC.

      For that matter, encryption doesn't necessarily even need to be in the camera. There are already SD cards out there with wifi builtin. It should be almost trivial to setup the receiving computer (or smartphone/tablet for mobile use) to encrypt the received images upon receipt and optionally delete the original files. The use cases they are describing don't require instant encryption ... just as long as the files are secured before they reach the next security checkpoint.

    18. Re:Custom firmware by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Sure, but you try uploading your images to your computer when there are literally bombs raining around you.

    19. Re:Custom firmware by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Unless the hardware is vastly overqualified, just fixing it in software probably isn't an option. Doing encryption in software isn't too painful on a real computer; but cameras tend to have fairly feeble, power constrained, processors with any special-purpose hardware dedicated either to image processing or shovelling data from the sensor to the SD card as fast as possible. I'm sure you could fit an encryption implementation within the limits of a reasonably modern camera's hardware; but actually using it would do horrible things to the frame rate.

    20. Re:Custom firmware by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Cameras already use processors that have nearly the feature set of a general-purpose CPU. (Canon's DIGIC is x86, and DIGIC II is ARM.) They run actual firmware. In fact, they often run an embedded operating system (e.g., VxWorks). That firmware can implement arbitrary features. Take as an example. You can see in the source code that it is not, in fact, simply enabling and disabling existing functions.

      CPUs are slow to perform encryption because it's a lot of bit-level modification. CPUs don't have the instructions necessary to do those operations efficiently. That's why they added AES-specific instructions to x86. You can implement encryption in hardware, though, in which case it is very fast. High performance in hardware implementations is a major design feature -- it was required in DES, and it was required in AES.

    21. Re: Custom firmware by petermgreen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A sensible encryption setup for a camera would use asymetric crypto. So recording stuff would only require the public key, the private key could remain safely at home.

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    22. Re: Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just encrypt your shit on multiple SD cards yourself outside of the camera? Simpler, easier to update, and you don't want just one copy as anything found that couldn't be read will likely be seized anyhow.

    23. Re: Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why carry thousands of dollars worth of extra hardware, which weighs you down in a war zone, when you could just use high speed fiber optic internet to store it on the cloud. A private cloud. On your orbiting stealth fighter jet.

    24. Re:Custom firmware by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      It's the other way around. Encrypting the video data as you write it to disk would be an absolutely trivial change software-wise. You just add an appropriate set of crypto libraries and stick them in the file read/write path at whatever level you prefer. However, doing so would require a massive change to the hardware, because hardware-based encryption would be absolutely required to achieve the sorts of data rates needed for recording 4K/8K video.

      Encryption also has other practical issues associated with it, making it unlikely that we'll see this, simply because the number of people willing to do all the extra work is likely to be small compared with the market for the products. If you use PK crypto, you could make it possible to record without allowing anyone to play it back, but that would make editing and in-camera review infeasible. If you use symmetric crypto, it is worthless unless the key is pre-shared, and even then, would be worthless unless you can delete it quickly when necessary.

      In an ideal world, you would have multiple pairs of PK crypto keys, using the public key for encryption and the private key for decryption. Both halves of each pair would be stored on the device by default, and a copy of those keys would be stored safely back at their home base. You would then have a panic button that wipes the currently in-use private key and switches to the next key pair. That way, recent recordings can still be decrypted, but only after getting back home (or uploading the data back to their home base). And you would still be able to record and review new video using the next key pair even after hitting that panic button.

      And in a truly ideal world, it would somehow use steganography on the file metadata to make it impossible to prove that the pre-existing data exists without uploading the entire disk image to somebody who has a copy of the master key.

      The actual implementation of such a design is left as an exercise for the reader.

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    25. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So then "Law Enforcement" up the ante and demand the keys - or backdoor keys - oe buy a 3rd party kit from Israel or Estonia to crack the camera. Software of course somehow ($$$$) "leaks" into the hands of several oppressive regimes...
      Encryption on-camera is a BAD idea and not thought through in the slightest bit. Most people who own a camera - even dSLR - are happy snappers and would be completely out of their depth if the images were now locked up.
      Good encryption is cpu-intensive unless they bake in a key (silly idea) or are they going to use XOR, known to be 100% hack-proof in some parts of the world.
      Dangers: (i) law "enforcement" (ii) idjit users losing their key (iii) probable lock-in to more proprietary code to link your card to your computer.
      Will all the manufacturers agree on one standard, or each bake their own? Driver "issues" coming up in 3-2-..
      Would this lock out a Linux user from downloading because the new Nikon/Canon/Sony is Win10 or Mac only?
      Question, questions, questions....
      I think those journalists should get back to their jobs and not screw it up for 100% of the rest of us who (for now) can enjoy photography.

    26. Re: Custom firmware by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Or stored on the camera and wiped with a panic button, cycling to the next key pair.

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    27. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you download at home/hotel/safe place, later. Duh.
      While bombs rain, you take photos and cover - both as much as possible.
      If its going out over a cellphone link from a wi-fi card to your news agency, why add encryption nonsense? Image is long gone, in original form, so the card can be thrown or deleted/wiped - a small expense for big news agencies.

    28. Re:Custom firmware by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      What I don't get is that if they want encryption that works, why are they asking Sony, Nikon, and Canon for it? That lot combined would struggle to come up with rot13 as an encryption algorithm.

    29. Re:Custom firmware by idji · · Score: 1

      these people might be in places where they cannot upload.
      Aren't there SD cards that can autoencrypt?

    30. Re:Custom firmware by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      [Security Officer at port of exit] Good morning Sir, I see you are carrying a Nikosonicny Encryptomatic camera.

      [Fine Upstanding Journalist] Why yes, it's a perfectly unsuspicious camera.

      [Security Officer, picking up $5 wrench and coil of cheese wire from behind the counter] Please accompany us into the private interview room.

      [Thuds.
      Muffed screams.
      More thuds.
      Spelling of encryption keys.
      Choking.
      Zipping-up of body bag.
      Security Officer :] Next!

      What could possibly go wrong with carrying a device which says "I think I know how to hide a secret if I need to"?

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    31. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Much better to have a camera that autoloads the pictures onto a website far, far away, so that even if they are forcefully erased by the authorities, there is a copy somewhere anyway.

      Nice thought, but ...

      Unfortunately, this won't work in the presence of jamming, or in caves, or many buildings, or in narrow ravines, or in heavily wooded areas, and so forth. Further, it requires a LOT more power and complexity to upload to something as far away as a satellite - and non-satellite options are even more restricted in terms of line-of-sight. The extra hardware you need tends to make the equipment more cumbersome - and a lot less anonymous, hence more intrinsically suspicious.

      Technology is not magic.

    32. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody sane does encryption in the CPU. That is done in hardware. So it would be sensor > ASIC > encryption ASIC > storage.
      Or simply just a slightly bigger ASIC in the first place.

    33. Re:Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Encryption will be great. The police / border guards will just ask you to input your password. And if you don't they know you have something to hide and seize your camera. No need to look through hours of photos to see if there is something on it. Just check if its encrypted.

  2. Blanket policy at the border... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Blanket policy at the border... confiscate all cameras.

    Duh.

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    1. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by TWX · · Score: 1

      Don't even have to do that.

      You just inspect their cameras and media on the way out and if either you find content that you cannot access, or you find a discrepancy between the size of the content reported plus the free space when compared against the size of the media, you take steps anywhere from seizing the offending device to tying them to a chair, putting a football helmet on their head, and then beating their helmeted head with a baseball bat until they tell you how to access the content.

      Unfortunately I cannot think of any good way to smuggle video or picture content that a photojournalist or video journalist will be able to do in the field in adverse conditions like this that couldn't somehow be detected if the investigator is committed enough to being thorough. In some ways the presence of strong encryption might actually make it more dangerous as it means to look closely at this person because they've got that strong encryption...

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    2. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only there were a way to upload pictures wirelessly out of the country before crossing borders.

    3. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I cannot think of any good way to smuggle video or picture content that a photojournalist or video journalist will be able to do in the field in adverse conditions like this that couldn't somehow be detected if the investigator is committed enough to being thorough. In some ways the presence of strong encryption might actually make it more dangerous as it means to look closely at this person because they've got that strong encryption...

      Put it on a microsd card and shove it up your arse.

    4. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      Pfft. You'd need some kind of, I don't know, "International Network" to do that.

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    5. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by myowntrueself · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pfft. You'd need some kind of, I don't know, "International Network" to do that.

      It would have to be some kind of network of networks. I'm envisioning something like a series of tubes.

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    6. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I cannot think of any good way to smuggle video or picture content that a photojournalist or video journalist will be able to do in the field in adverse conditions like this that couldn't somehow be detected if the investigator is committed enough to being thorough. In some ways the presence of strong encryption might actually make it more dangerous as it means to look closely at this person because they've got that strong encryption...

      Put it on a microsd card and shove it up your arse.

      New blanket policy; anyone with a camera is cavity-searched.

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    7. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm going to mod you up, despite the flippancy of your comment, because honestly I think this is a case where the old-fashioned ways might be best. With the world the way it is right now, in some countries carrying a camera with encrypted data on it would be as good as wearing a sign saying "please torture me to find out what's on here". At least with a hidden memory card, they'd have to have some reason to suspect you first before giving you the old rubber glove treatment.

    8. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would imagine using MicroSD or such small form factor and then replacing said memory card with a dummy one filled with dummy pictures.

      MicroSDs are small enough to conceal pretty easily, by say, putting it in their mouths or surrounding it with chewing gum in the bottom of your shoes.

      God forbid you're a pro photographer without removeable / expandable memory.

    9. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Immerman · · Score: 1

      That might actually be why pros would like the manufacturers to implement encryption, especially as a default. You could mod your own camera to encrypt the data, but that makes you suspicious.

      But if *everyone's* camera contains encrypted data, then it's no longer suspicious. And policies that work fine when directed at the few become far more problematic when directed at the many - you can only push the populace so far before getting troublesome backlash, so the administration has to choose their battles carefully.

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    10. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      Pfft. You'd need some kind of, I don't know, "International Network" to do that.

      By the way that you have stated this, it appears that you think that the term "internet" is shorthand for "International Network". It is not.

    11. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't it be more robust if we designed it like a big truck?

    12. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by quetwo · · Score: 2

      Sure. Every inch of the world has free and open internet access. There isn't a single country that blocks websites, intercepts data, blocks VPNs or does anything else with commodity traffic that would stop this from working. Oh, and the internet is never disturbed when a country is in crisis. Ever.

    13. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just inspect their cameras and media on the way out and if either you find content that you cannot access, or you find a discrepancy between the size of the content reported plus the free space when compared against the size of the media, you take steps anywhere from seizing the offending device to tying them to a chair, putting a football helmet on their head, and then beating their helmeted head with a baseball bat until they tell you how to access the content. .

      Exactly.
      http://xkcd.com/538/

    14. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Put it on a microsd card and shove it up your arse.

      I'm pretty sure I can swallow a MicroSD card.

    15. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by plover · · Score: 1

      Put it on a microsd card and shove it up your arse.

      I'm pretty sure I can swallow a MicroSD card.

      He didn't say which cavities they would search...

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    16. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by hjf · · Score: 2

      Not free. But if you're willing to pay, there's satellite internet in every inch (or centimeter) of the world.

      And, you know, these photojournalists are usually on assignments so yeah, the companies they work for CAN pay for satellite internet.

    17. Re: Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, that would be a pro photographer that needs a card faster than micro-sd. asides from that, it should work.

    18. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      I know it's not. I was playing off the "out of the country" bit from the parent.

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    19. Re: Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only nobody - except endangered pros - would buy a camera you'd have to unlock everytime just to see your pictures. sure, you could use the camera part for a retina scan or build in a fingerprint reader but that won't stop the goons that are forcefully detaining you.

    20. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      You can't fit a truck in a tube, dummy.

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    21. Re: Blanket policy at the border... by unami · · Score: 1

      sure, that's so much easier - and more practical for stupid border police - than confiscating every journalist's media. or you could just move them through a really strong magnetic field...

    22. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by RoccamOccam · · Score: 1

      Aha! Very good.

    23. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leans in to the mic "Wrooooong!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    24. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      The encryption may not be so much for protecting the journalist, but rather protecting the journalist's sources.

    25. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by jedZ · · Score: 1

      Which is why some countries ban or restrict the use of satellite phones. If these guys are already in trouble for clicking pictures think what they'd be down for if caught with contraband equipment as well.

    26. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by golgotha007 · · Score: 1

      What you need is plausible deniability. Load up a thumb drive with a bunch of junk, but also create a hidden, encrypted partition.

    27. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I cannot think of any good way to smuggle video or picture content that a photojournalist or video journalist will be able to do in the field in adverse conditions like this that couldn't somehow be detected if the investigator is committed enough to being thorough.

      If an investigator is being thorough, you're dead. Live with it, or not.

      For more casual investigations, carry a large number of (micro-)SD cards (this itself may be adequate) ; if your regular camera will handle it, partition the larger "interesting" SD cards into (say) a 4GB and a 28GB partition, with photos of the cat on the 4GB partition. Given that the average border security person gets their shoe size and their IQ confused, this itself may be adequate. Print misleading labels on the interesting SD cards (e.g. "4GB" for the 32GB partitioned card). Going one step further, you're into hiding the cards where they'll be obvious under X-rays. Not particularly difficult, but definitely evidence of malign intent. Which could be the difference between an interrogation with dry electrodes and a firing squad that you'll welcome after the questioning sessions.

      To be honest, if you've got that sort of "interesting" stuff in your camera, finding a mule to unwittingly carry the data out is probably your best option. "Trade craft" which the spying industry has known well for decades if not centuries.

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    28. Re:Blanket policy at the border... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Put it on a microsd card and shove it up your arse.

      Would show up on an X-ray (possibly on a THz scanner too) ... and here's Johnny Switchblade come to continue the interrogation.

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    29. Re: Blanket policy at the border... by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      or you could just move them through a really strong magnetic field.

      And this would do what to flash memory? (The answer is "sweet fuck all". You may have been thinking of floppy discs or magnetic tapes.)

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  3. Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    If you're a photojournalist and your memory card is encrypted, you're just never going to get it back intact. And if you really need the data to go straight to encrypted storage, well, there's a way to do that. Although I'm not sure if those Wi-Fi memory cards (you know what I mean, I forget what the brand is) use meaningful encryption anyway...

    Are journalists actually not just having storage devices seized in those situations?

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    1. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Imagine you interview someone and they say something that might incriminate themselves. On the way back to the office the corrupt police take your camera. If the video is encrypted at least they don't have video of your source incriminating themselves.

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    2. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the corrupt police ask you (politely of course) for your encryption key? Or is the thinking here that they wouldn't take that step? If people are so concerned about that, they could transfer the data to an encrypted storage drive and not leave it in the camera. Seems silly to build it into the camera itself.

    3. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Imagine you interview someone and they say something that might incriminate themselves. On the way back to the office the corrupt police take your camera. If the video is encrypted at least they don't have video of your source incriminating themselves.

      Imagine that this happens. Then you return to a free country, and publish the interview.

      The police back in Bumfuckistan see the interview on TV/internet/smoke signals/whatever. Guess what they're going to do now?

      If you guessed they'd say "Damn, but he pulled the wool over our eyes pretty good there! Well played!", well, you'd be mistaken....

      In other words, you're not going to be able to use that interview where olwhatsisname incriminated himself anyway. Unless you really don't give a rat's ass about the fate of olwhatsisname, anways....

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    4. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think anyone with half a brain sees the benefit of having something encrypted vs. no encryption. With encryption your opponents may know you have something they don't want to see but they don't know what that something is. If you don't think it is worth that much you can give it up to them - no harm no foul. If it is something you might be murdered for having then I think you would want that hidden, even if it means eventually losing it or being subject to enhanced interrogation.

      It also reduces the risk of "smuggling". Its exactly why Clinton ran her own e-mail server.

      1) There is a chance you just get away with it
      2) If you do get "caught" you have options; without encryption, if you get caught, for instance, exposing massive corruption, the outcome is entirely up to the corrupt.
      3) The options are a) reveal what you have if it is not that bad b) deny you have anything but offer to delete or destroy the data or the camera c) you try to keep the data or they don't accept a or b and then you are in the same situation as no encryption but they still don't have the data.

      Encryption is a tactical WIN WIN WIN.

    5. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And if you really need the data to go straight to encrypted storage, well, there's a way to do that.

      Are you thinking of Eye-Fi? It doesn't work that way(*). It's a regular 32GB SD card with the wireless-copy-off agent read-only spying on the filesystem, so the photos are still written unencrypted to the card.

      Once you write something unencrypted to blackbox flash like an sdcard, you can never really delete it because blocks are just "marked free". A very simple form of encryption would be:
        - put a USB port on the camera that acts like an SD card reader
        - put a TPM in the camera that is "effaceable"
        - when formatting the sd card, rotate the effaceable key.

      This would give a way to really wipe the SD card and do nothing else. Unfortunately it also means destroying the camera destroys all SD cards written by it, including ones hidden away.

      A more complex form with similar limitations would be per-photo keys, so individual photos could be deleted by rotating the TPM master key and re-wrapping the keys of all the photos you don't want to delete.

      The best form IMHO would be ecryptfs. With a little work Chromebooks could just mount the sdcard.

      With a lot of work you could "pair" the camera with a user account on a laptop, wrap keys twice per photo, once symmetrically to the camera's TPM key and a second time with RSA to the laptop's key, and after an hour or two efface the symmetric keys so that the camera can only read photos its written recently.

      A step further from that would be to pair the camera with your desktop on the other side of the border instead of your laptop so that nothing discoverable passes the border.

      They need a sim card and a good antenna that can let them either stream data out live

      First, you still have to store the data before you stream it, so you still need encryption. The "very simple form" would be enough, while without streaming the other forms make sense.

      But second, cel service isn't reliable everywhere because infrastructure. For video it's a pretty high bar in cheapness and performance. Where it is, it gets shut off by the government during protests and may increasingly be so if your proposal becomes standard. Using a cel radio means your movements can be tracked which may be more useful to the adversary than the photos. Many people think "five eyes" has exploits for many cel radios which, depending on how the radio is wired up inside the camera, could allow debug access to main memory and bypassing dropbox TLS.

      And third, there's a push to close the loop and deliver practical tools that get used instead of abstractly-ideal tools that end up having fatal flaws or no adoption, so I don't think this imagined tool should block the tool they're asking for.

      (*) I don't have one. just reading pre-sales docs at eyefi.com.

    6. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      If you're a photojournalist and your memory card is encrypted, you're just never going to get it back intact. And if you really need the data to go straight to encrypted storage, well, there's a way to do that. Although I'm not sure if those Wi-Fi memory cards (you know what I mean, I forget what the brand is) use meaningful encryption anyway...

      You missed the point entirely. The point isn't that the card will be seized. It could be. The point is that the when they are seized, anyone can read the files on them. Now if you are documenting something that the state doesn't want to be seen, they have evidence that you are a threat. Sometimes you might be documenting something you don't think is sensitive.

      Contrast that with the situation if there is encryption. The state can't read it. It could be photos and videos of flowers and wildlife. It could be of a protest. You might have an interview with someone that the state considers an undesirable. They don't know what it is.

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    7. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This wouldn't be a key you memorize, it would be a public-private key where the other part of the key is on another computer which may not even be in the same country as the journalist. There is nothing the journalist can do to get the key other than ask the colleagues back home to send the unit to Bumfuckistan which is a huge huge red flag.

    8. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh what? The journalist would not play the footage they got 100%. The police would have access to all of the records. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zurcher_v._Stanford_Daily for how this plays out in real life.

    9. Re: Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like these journalists require spy tools rather than regular cameras.

    10. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah shill, it makes immense sense to put it in the fucking camera.

      The concern of you guys is touching, but adding an extra barrier is only going to help the situation. The photographer could, of course, decrypt his data, but that is his choice, rather than the default.

    11. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

      This wouldn't be a key you memorize, it would be a public-private key where the other part of the key is on another computer which may not even be in the same country as the journalist. There is nothing the journalist can do to get the key other than ask the colleagues back home to send the unit to Bumfuckistan which is a huge huge red flag.

      Good luck convincing the police in Bumfuckistan this.

    12. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Excelcia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Photo journalists do already have their devices seized. All the time. And they are often stripped of their memory card before before having it given back to them (if it is given back). The problem encryption is meant to solve is not to prevent the device from being seized, it's to prevent the seizing agency from having access to what you've been photographing. Photo journalists going behind enemy lines, taking pictures of rebels groups or doing interviews with people who want their faces blurred later. Losing the photographs altogether is not as bad as having the photographs fall into the hands of an adversary. They are already going to lose them if the device is seized. They just want the photographs to be safe if that happens.

      Unfortunately, seeing encryption applied to new classes of devices is a controversial topic now. Not for the end user, who would support that. But governments across the world - across the (ironically named) "free" world - are aiming at encryption and labeling it as evil and helping the cause of terrorists and child molesters. The first time a camera comes out with encryption and is involved in child pornography will be huge. It will be splashed by law enforcement across every newspaper as showing how encryption is evil, how it's enabling criminals and terrorists, and how it's good that government should legislate back doors into every piece of encryption on the market. For that reason, until we settle the fight that is brewing about encryption and openly legislated (as opposed to the private ones the NSA strong arms into products already) encryption back doors are firmly rejected, I would like to see cameras remain free of encryption. I don't want to see another class of device used as propaganda and leveraged as a way of taking away more of our rights and privacy.

    13. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      No it doesn't. If you are so fucking concerned about encryption then download the files onto your computer and encrypt them there. You can do that today.

    14. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people are so concerned about that, they could transfer the data to an encrypted storage drive and not leave it in the camera. Seems silly to build it into the camera itself.

      From TFA:
      "We face a critical gap between the moment we shoot our footage and the first opportunity to get that footage onto more secure devices," reads the open letter.

    15. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine you interview someone and they say something that might incriminate themselves. On the way back to the office the corrupt police take your camera. If the video is encrypted at least they don't have video of your source incriminating themselves.

      True. But when they seize your camera and don't return it to you, you no longer have your footage of the interview either.

      What they really need and are not asking for is a way to easily and quickly get the footage or photos from the camera into the cloud. Then if the equipment is seized the photos and video are still accessible.

    16. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If people are so concerned about that, they could transfer the data to an encrypted storage drive and not leave it in the camera. Seems silly to build it into the camera itself.

      From TFA:
      "We face a critical gap between the moment we shoot our footage and the first opportunity to get that footage onto more secure devices," reads the open letter.

      Do it RIGHT there before leaving the scene.

    17. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Obviously you edit it first, to disguise voices, hide faces, remove incriminating bits.

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    18. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by sethstorm · · Score: 2

      The moment they see encryption or something "not right" with that camera, it's not going to go well for the camera's presumed owner.

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    19. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      They may well ask for your key, but actually arresting and especially beating the key out of a journalist carries much more risk than simply taking the camera. Especially with foreign journalists, where the journalists's country will inevitably become involved, there will be media coverage etc.

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    20. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by sethstorm · · Score: 1

      Congratulations, the "journalist" will be seized along with their camera and storage.

      You just made it that much worse for the individuals out there.

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    21. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      And if it's a standard feature? The photographer could feign complete ignorance of how it works because they don't care about the details; they know how to shoot pictures.

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    22. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by PPH · · Score: 1

      Imagine you interview someone and they say something that might incriminate themselves.

      This is why the smart people disguise themselves before going on camera. You can't trust the reporter. They might be idiots, in bed with local LE, or just want to leave your country with all of their appendages intact.

      From this point on, it's not so much a matter of hiding the raw footage from the police as it is getting it to a neutral jurisdiction for later publication. If they (LE) want to see it, just tell them to watch 60 Minutes next week.

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    23. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by fnj · · Score: 1

      Reality is funny that way. It doesn't care if you are convinced or not.

    24. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by hjf · · Score: 1

      especially in north korea, cuba, venezuela...

    25. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by eth1 · · Score: 1

      Why store it on the camera at all. In a situation where you or a source is risking their life/freedom, it seems like some kind of satellite-based relay that sends stuff off ASAP would be worth investigating. You could even make it look to the camera like a flash card, so it works with any camera.

      Probably doesn't matter much, though. Any jurisdiction where that would be an issue would just make possession of such a device (or encryption-capable recording devices) carry similar penalties.

    26. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by plover · · Score: 1

      The physical separation of the decryption device is important here. The trick is to find a safe haven where you can store the decryption key where it won't be seized. The US likes to play by the Constitutional rules about seizure, but they also like to cooperate with most governments. Does Switzerland still have strict privacy laws governing access to safe deposit boxes? Should you hide them someplace with fewer laws and less enforcement capabilities, (a shoebox in Belize)? Or do you store them someplace that is hostile to wherever you're going (e.g. Russia isn't likely to cooperate with Chinese prosecutors)?

      Of course given enough beatings with the rubber hose and you'll do anything to have the keys shipped to anywhere the torturer wants. "I don't care if this is against the rules we set up, and if all the red flags are waving, you mail that key today or I am dead!"

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    27. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > If the video is encrypted at least they don't have video of your source incriminating themselves.

      Why is it a good thing if people get away with breaking the law?

      And why won't they just hold you until you agree to let them in?

    28. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by PvtVoid · · Score: 1

      Reality is funny that way. It doesn't care if you are convinced or not.

      The reporter being rubber hosed most certainly will care.

    29. Re: Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by unami · · Score: 1

      so, say you film for a documentary in 4k prores hq codec for half an hour. that's about 170gb of data. good luck loading that up over a satellite network in a reasonable amount of time with reasonable tech you carry with you.

    30. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No "standard encryption" will help. Any widely used scheme (such as manufacturer encryption) will be known by countries with competent intelligence. Resourceful places like Russia may develop a backdoor, third world places will simply stomp on such memory cards.

      So don't bother with manufacturer encryption. They are not likely to get it 'right' anyway, i.e. encryption that can be broken by the simple act of reverse engineering camera firmware. (The way DeCSS happened). Disassembly is not 'hard' if you can afford the man-months.

      There are other ways:

      * Bring a pc. Move the secret stuff over, encrypt it using the pc CPU. Hide the stuff with steganography. It takes some dedication to find that a (deleted) porn movie on the disk is too big for its content. Also have bait - an unencrypted short interview in the camera so they can seize that memory card and be happy that they stopped that.

      * Want to smuggle on a SD card? Do a non-standard partitioning. such as splitting a 16GB card into two 8GB partitions. Move secret stuff over to the second partition. Delete the second partition - it can be "reinstated" when you get home. Make sure the label says 8GB, nobody will find it strange that it actually is 8GB.

    31. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by trg83 · · Score: 1

      Probably because laws are not universally just in all jurisdictions? Perhaps laws are universally unjust in some jurisdictions? You're AC, so you may just be a troll, but you might really be that ignorant as well, so hope this helps!

    32. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by lxs · · Score: 1

      I don't think governments in warzones/dictatorships really care about that.

      As I post this the confirmed current count for journalists killed in 2016 is 46. Cases of imprisonment and beatings are a multiple of this.

    33. Re: Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      You don't upload the high-def data. You upload a downsampled copy over cellular in real time so that nobody can cover anything up. Then you use PK crypto with steganography to "prove" that the high-def data doesn't exist, and that the low-def data is out of reach.

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    34. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      If the behavior is documented in the camera's manual, convincing them should be easy.

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    35. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by hey! · · Score: 1

      Depends. You can build plausible deniability into the system. Put one password into the system and you see one set of files, put another in and you see another set of files. No password and you see a bunch of encrypted blocks.

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    36. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I would think that one could hack one of these little guys to do the encryption for you. I wouldn't trust the stock firmware either but it seems reasonable to assume that one could make them do proper encryption.

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    37. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      Well the "debate" on encryption will start a again next year with the government pushing for ever more access. It isn't like those in power haven't fucking told us what they are going to do. I mean it isn't like the assholes in power didn't publicly state that it would take a terrorist attack where encryption was used to turn the public. Then a few months later the next few terror attacks didn't mention encryption at all.

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    38. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      it seems like some kind of satellite-based relay that

      (1) is going to be a huge red flag to any radio direction-finding equipment. (Hundreds of Allied and Axis agents got caught by this in WW2 ; and who knows how many since.)

      (2) Is going to be a gigantic red flag to put you under close watch when it shows up in your baggage's X-rays when you enter the country. You do realise that most baggage is X-rayed these days because "war on drugs"?

      (3) You're going to be carrying equipment which may well be classified as espionage equipment. Just before my second job in Russia, I was burgled and they took my Garmin consumer GPS (amongst other things, including my good rucksack). In Russia I became very glad that they had taken the GPS because it meant that I didn't make the mistake of taking it with me (as I had on my first trip to the FSU). I was told that the area I was working in was a special military zone (because nuclear launch sites and oil fields) and possession of espionage equipment was a crime of strict commission. No excuses, 10 years hard labour. Don't want the time, don't do the crime. And there was an American tourist in jail at that time awaiting sentencing for possession of a GPS. (The next year, on my 3rd trip, I was told that he actually got released in a diplomatic deal after about a year on remand, no hard labour. But no one cared much about the details. Everyone knew "don't do that," because if you did you'd get fired for causing diplomatic problems for your employer.)

      Just because you think that you're fighting the good fight in some sense doesn't mean that you're not actually breaking the laws of the country that you're in. Know the situation you're gtting into. (I was lucky on my trip. Luck, not planning.)

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    39. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Depends where you are.

      "We're so sorry about you Mr AmiMoJo. It looks as if he ran into our [drug smuggling | terrorist insurgency | neighbour's terrorist insurgency (delete to taste)] problem and got himself killed. It looks like they spent a week beating him to death while we were looking for him. We are so sorry. But we did warn him. Like we're warning you to not do what he did.

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    40. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Non-government groups don't care much either. The word you're looking for is "ruthless". As in "ruthless people don't rue doing what they want to do".

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    41. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Obviously you edit it before you record it. i.e. darkened room with no identifying marks (or deliberate poor focus, so who cares about 4k HD, or vaseline lens. None of which involves incriminating equipment. Interviewee unidentifiable in hoodie/ hijab/ hat pulled down whatever. Put the microphone through a pre-amp which is turned up to 14 (on a scale of 1-10) to distort the sound. Put a record of The Glorious Leader's Greatest Speeches on in the adjacent room (to defeat or make difficult background noise identification.

      Now you're ready to start recording your interview with "Deep Throat 3". And even with NO encryption , the interviewee will be unidentifiable.

      There's a good reason that "Deep Throat" and his heirs don't give interviews in full colour HD quadrophenia. At least, not if they want to stay alive.

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    42. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      they have evidence that you are a threat.

      And for many people, "evidence" is a spelling mistake for "suspicion." You might believe that they're different things, but it's not your opinion that matters.

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    43. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Nikasoniconypus are going to add to the production costs of all of their cameras - even marginally - for a feature that is only really of interest to a minority of well-off users? No go. This will be a feature on premium cameras. Probably with a logo on the camera for the posers who want to protect their photos from the Illinois Highway Patrol. Want the feature on a camera without a logo? +$1000

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    44. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the corrupt police ask you (politely of course) for your encryption key?

      I can never remember that thing; it was in the camera bag you confiscated. Wait, you mean you lost the encryption key when you seized my camera?

    45. Re:Will that actually help? Also, Wi-Fi by Agripa · · Score: 1

      Photo journalists do already have their devices seized. All the time. And they are often stripped of their memory card before before having it given back to them (if it is given back).

      Discussions of US law enforcement practices are off topic.

  4. Only one feature that will do that by MikeRT · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not encryption. They need a sim card and a good antenna that can let them either stream data out live or immediately push data to DropBox or Google Drive.

    1. Re:Only one feature that will do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the only way - nothing else is going to work - for the reasons stated above.

    2. Re:Only one feature that will do that by red_dragon · · Score: 1

      Given that many DSLRs nowadays feature Wi-Fi tethering, it should be possible to have a mobile phone download the images off the camera immediately after exposure and delete them from there after uploading them to ${CLOUD}. There's still the issue that such tethering usually is done unencrypted, though, so they'd need to add TLS and preferably a way for the user to install/change/generate the keys/certs and use client cert authentication.

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    3. Re:Only one feature that will do that by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      It's not encryption. They need a sim card and a good antenna that can let them either stream data out live or immediately push data to DropBox or Google Drive.

      In the meantime they can use a USB MicroSD adapter and an OTG adapter on an Android phone to get their files into the Cloud. It's a bit cumbersome, it won't work in all locations / jurisdictions, and it requires sending a bunch of files at once rather than sending each picture as it's taken. But it's better than nothing.

      On a different note, I wouldn't trust the camera manufacturers to not backdoor their encryption and provide access any government that asks. A better solution would be a memory card that contains a micro running Open Source encryption software. This would be tough to do in a MicroSD footprint, especially given the access speed necessary for high-res photos and video. But it might be possible, at the cost of lower data capacity. I'm not saying that I expect to see this happen - I'm just tossing the idea out there.

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    4. Re:Only one feature that will do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wow, you named two US companies that are deeply in bed with the NSA. Condoleeza Rice herself site on the board of Dropbox, and Alphabet (parent of Google) is a product of the Three Lettered Agencies.

      If I were a journalist concerned with the safety and integrity of data I was trying to exfiltrate from somewhere, I don't think DropBox or Google Drive would be my first options. An employer's cloud or a self-hosted ownCloud in some other jurisdiction would be a much safer choice.

    5. Re:Only one feature that will do that by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      It's not encryption. They need a sim card and a good antenna that can let them either stream data out live or immediately push data to DropBox or Google Drive.

      That's not always a practical solution. There are places in industrialized countries where can't get a good cell signal much less in remote regions.

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    6. Re:Only one feature that will do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LEO satellite internet may be the missing link for this, because this is needed the most in places with poor internet connectivity.

    7. Re:Only one feature that will do that by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Nope. Won't work. First, it won't work for video (except perhaps some low quality variants). Secondly, modern DLSRs take 10-40 megabyte files every tenth of a second. You need an awfully robust wireless network to support this. Something not typically found in a trench in the middle of a war zone.

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    8. Re:Only one feature that will do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are probably many situations where a photojournalist would not want to have the camera create a wireless beacon with a unique signature. Also, why not both? Wireless and encryption? Create a symmetric key for the picture, encrypt the picture, securely erase the unencrypted picture from memory, encrypt the symmetric key with the photographer's public key, securely erase the unencrypted symmetric key from memory, wirelessly transmit the encrypted key and the encrypted image.

    9. Re:Only one feature that will do that by hjf · · Score: 1

      modern DSLRs also can write smaller sized JPGs along with the RAW files that could be sent over a "background worker" sync method. Something like dropbox

    10. Re:Only one feature that will do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You need both. Local encryption so that high res files can't be viewed by people taking the camera. Wireless distribution of encrypted low res copies, so taking the camera doesn't permit lies about what happened.

    11. Re:Only one feature that will do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      push data to DropBox or Google Drive.

      Or it could just support standards (e.g. sftp) instead of people like you turning it into an expensive, flakey, narrowly-usable thing that has to buy licenses to speak proprietary secret APIs.

      Not only are those services hard to work with, they're probably about as insecure as you can possibly get, and definitely the exactly opposite of what someone in this kind of situation would want. Dude, WTF? You somehow snatched utter retardedness from the jaws of good ideas.

    12. Re: Only one feature that will do that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A better solution would be a memory card that contains a micro running Open Source encryption software

      Why not just use a tachyon emitter to reverse the read field polarity? I'm not saying it would be easy. Just putting it out there. Like you, you know, rather than read any of the obvious debunks already listed.

  5. Custom firmware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    *sigh*

    https://xkcd.com/538/

    Much better to have a camera that autoloads the pictures onto a website far, far away, so that even if they are forcefully erased by the authorities, there is a copy somewhere anyway.

    Or a camera with a kill switch that would act like the digital equivalent of "opening the film tray" and blanking it in a second... Could fry the microSD card, or wipe it clean.

  6. The Rubber Hose Master Key ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... works in all jurisdictions.

    1. Re:The Rubber Hose Master Key ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That or infinite contempt of court.

    2. Re:The Rubber Hose Master Key ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Appreciate the concern, but it is still better to have encryption versus not. In your example of lawless police, the rubber hose guys at least have a motivation to capture the journalist alive instead of leaving him in a shallow grave and effortlessly having his data too. If you are really concerned about some evil empire being willing to flout human rights, at least encryption raises the level of effort to get to that tyranny.

  7. Better be deniable encryption... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't get it. If a corrupt government official finds a SD card with encrypted images on it, the SD card would hit a shredder, or the $5 wrench from xkcd.com/538 will "decrypt" the photos with ease.

    What is needed is a way to upload the photos off somewhere that the photographer nor the junta goons can reach, or something like PhonebookFS that allows some encrypted pictures to be shown, but even with that, there is always unreadable chaff thrown in that can never be decrypted, just for plausible deniability.

  8. This would make me spend money. by Verdatum · · Score: 1

    I really like my Nikon. It's only about two years old, and I made sure to get one with all the bells and whistles, so it still works delightfully for my needs. But if one of the major SLR manufacturers built in decent encryption, I do believe this would make me go out and buy a new one. And if it isn't Nikon, I'd still make the switch and get all new lenses for it.

  9. This is just unbelievable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are these ultra-hi-tech devices that can do advanced processing in-camera with a computer, but they can't do what should have been a major selling point from day one when the very first digicams started appearing in the 1990s: protected images and video. The obvious method for authing would be your thumb's print, but sure, I could go for pressing its various buttons in a certain combination or something to unlock it.

    And they are not even doing this today? Wow. I have to constantly remind myself that I live in the future tech-wise, because it all fucking sucks.

    1. Re:This is just unbelievable. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thumbprint as a key?
      Yeah, even third-world military police can figure out how to force the photographer's thumb onto the fingerprint reader. Won't even need torture, so no international incident. Nothing they need to cover up. Just a seized camera, which happen all the time because they make side money selling these reporter cameras cheaply to tourists . . .

  10. Oblig XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since this may involve (corrupt) government, nothing prevents them from detaining you, drugging you, and hitting you with a $5 wrench until you give them your password.

    I would say the level of encryption should be close to the plausible deniability that TrueCrypt had been touting about: one storage space that contains "meh" evidence, and one hidden space to store the condemning evidence.

  11. Link to the letter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's the link to the letter, if you don't want to read Whittaker's reporting: https://freedom.press/news/ove...

  12. Can be double edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So instead of having their camera confiscated and examined, and the photos deleted, they could be risking being forced to reveal their password with some unsophisticated methods (having in mind that they work in some troubled places)

    1. Re:Can be double edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even in more sophisticated Asian countries, I've known acquaintances that have had to divulge to the local government their VPN ID and password back to their company. That, or else face 5-20 for vague sedition charges.

      Laptop "theft" is so common that any company worth its salt has a checklist of things to do for someone going overseas, be it disabling their admin account (sane companies separate DA/EA users from normal ones), limiting access, using logging, and other items, as well as giving a throwaway laptop that is destined to get bug-i-fied. The user is even given a new phone as well.

    2. Re:Can be double edged sword by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So instead of having their camera confiscated and examined, and the photos deleted, they could be risking being forced to reveal their password with some unsophisticated methods (having in mind that they work in some troubled places)

      Yes.

      For many, many nations, randomly beating journalists up is still hard to do without consequence. It does happen, but when it does it can become a front-page story and work against the interests of the powers that be. It's a calculated gambit we use as part of our reporting toolkit.

      My predecessor explained it this way to me: "If somebody even begins to lean on you or to get aggressive, you ask him directly, 'Are you threatening me? Because that sounds like a threat.' And you say it loudly. If he keeps it up, that's tomorrow's headline."

      I used this tactic once in a confrontation between myself and a high ranking individual.

      Likewise, using tactics and techniques that force authorities either to back off or to escalate quickly are very useful. An encrypted image/video in a lot of jurisdictions would be sufficient to disrupt routine surveillance and/or intimidation. If they want to play silly buggers about your sources, now they have to take the thing to court, which is a pain in the ass, and in many cases not worth the effort.

      It's like Schneier always says: Encryption on the camera isn't a secure product by itself, but it contributes to a more secure process of working on sensitive issues by raising the bar in one kind of confrontation between journalists and those opposed to them.

  13. Be careful what you wish for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If companies that make cameras are like any other companies (and they are) there will be things like location tracking, secret watermarking, personal info and identity tracking, backdoors and a host of other "features" coming soon to cameras. Similar to a cellphone, those so-called features might be defaulted to turned on or constantly trying to trick the photographer to turn them on every time the photographer uses the camera (I'm looking at you, google).

  14. encryption by Phusion · · Score: 1

    Sure, built in encryption and/or uploading to a file locker/server that you control would be ideal... but what's stopping these photojournalists from ... encrypting the data themselves on a laptop or tablet? Why is this written as if once they take the photo, there's nothing they can do to protect it if there isn't an option in the firmware? C'mon guys, if you're fighting for great justice, maybe learn how to use a computer, get an aircard and upload that shit?

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    1. Re:encryption by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they're taking photos of sensitive events, people, or places, they're most likely to get stopped and interrogated as they are doing it or just afterwards. Once they're back in the hotel, it's not a worry. It's the policemen chasing them down as they run away from taking photos of tanks running over students with tanks in Tianamen Square that worries them.

    2. Re:encryption by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If that's a worry, as in they happen to be on an assignment where that risk is high, then use their phones instead for such uses. That way, they can do the required things immediately, including a cloud back-up. I'm assuming that the bulk of their work ain't like that, in which case, they can do what the GP suggests back at the office

    3. Re:encryption by plover · · Score: 1

      You're describing OpSec, which is an incredibly detailed process to perform, and it varies from location to location and tool to tool. It is a tricky thing to get perfectly right every single time, with grave consequences for making a single mistake. Cleaning your tracks takes time and intense concentration, two things often lacking in a hot zone. And as a journalist tasked with capturing event as they unfold, you may not have time to even pick up the right tools for the job before the stuff hits the fan.

      Would you be willing to bet the freedom (or life) of your photographic subjects that you could do OpSec perfectly, in real time, every time you took a picture? Or would it be better to have a tool that simplifies and automates the process, allowing you to concentrate on your real job, which is taking pictures of things?

      Of course, you can figure that special journalist-encrypted cameras will be viewed the same way police view crowbars as burglar tools. Repressive governments or police will simply consider possession of these cameras to be prima facie evidence that you're a spy, which carries heavy penalties in virtually every jurisdiction. If every camera made comes with default encryption, however, it might help a journalist claim that he's just using the latest and best camera (in reality, it will likely be an added excuse to jail rich tourists in an extortion racket, as well as troublesome journalists.)

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  15. nice feature, but probably mostly useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    in the days before digital, security personel just ripped out your film - if you protested, they also "accidentially" dropped the camera and stepped on it "hard." no encryption is going to solve this - the best you can hope for is an uneducated security guard/policeman/border soldier and the ability of a camera to hide fotos from the normal browser.

  16. You can somehow do this. by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
    I have a high-end camera, which you can program to put your pictures in different folders (you can increment the folder number with a very simple 3 button press operation), which is extremely handy to classify photos.

    Another feature restricts playback to a single folder, rather than all the folders in chronological order.

    It became very handy when I was abusively threatened with arrest unless I deleted the pictures I took of an abusive train ticket inspector...

    Afterwards, I climbed the few stories to the transit authority headquarters to lodge a complaint against that inspector, who eventually got fired...

    1. Re:You can somehow do this. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If your main source of threat is an angry train ticket inspector then you're not the type of person who needs these features. The people who need these features are those at risk of being forcefully separated from their camera.

    2. Re:You can somehow do this. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      The people who need these features are those at risk of being forcefully separated from their bodies, in 1-bone increments.

      FTFY

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    3. Re:You can somehow do this. by Agripa · · Score: 1

      If your main source of threat is an angry train ticket inspector then you're not the type of person who needs these features.

      You do if you are dealing with BART.

  17. How about Satellite communications by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 2

    Why not simply employ a Sat-phone-like device to upload the data on the fly (assuming they can get a signal)? The data can be transmitted before the SD is compromised. Then, it won't matter if the SD is compromised.

    In a similar fashion, have an SD card reader for a cellphone for instances where a cell signal can be received (i.e. domestic use).

    Alternatively, simply build cell / encryption capability into the camera itself.

    -- RD

    1. Re:How about Satellite communications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Simply," huh?

      I'm not sure you're using that word correctly.

    2. Re:How about Satellite communications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      In a few years, LEO satellite internet will be a thing, both with the new Iridium, and whatever Elon Musk and others put up. It probably won't have demanding electrical power requirements, making it usable from a mobile device.

    3. Re:How about Satellite communications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Many countries where you would want this also restrict the import of satellite phones; obviously Great Wall 101, don't allow communications around the wall.

      Plus, even with a strong computer, modern high-pixel cameras (and especially video) generate a shit-ton of data and uploading via satellite phone or even Cellular may end up costing a fortune until some telcos recognize the reality of modern communications.

    4. Re:How about Satellite communications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boromir does not simply use that word.

  18. Coercion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It doesn't solve the $5 wrench problem.

  19. 538 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many xkcd links is there going to be in this thread? There's already three without this post.

  20. Oh, hello prison. by michaelcole · · Score: 1

    This is absolutely stupid op-sec.

    Do you want to be held in custody until you release the keys? What if you don't have the keys?
    You'll end up in prison, in a country where you have no rights.
    Click the "Security Button" to "feel" secure. Because that's what you're asking for.

  21. Avoid making cameras more complicated by unixisc · · Score: 2

    This is something that struck me as well. As it is, we get pretty detailed photos from our phones, if there is a necessity to immediately encrypt them or back them on the cloud, or do anything w/ them that needs to be online.

    But if someone is using an actual SLR camera, then why not just let the camera do the basic stuff - taking photos or videos? Once they are back at the office/hotel, they can take out the laptop, transfer all the files, encrypt it, upload it to the crowd and do whatever. If they have to do the encryption and data transfers right at the spot, then just use the phone. But having 2 completely different classes of products just increases the risk that one of them will go the way of the dodo.

    If there is the fear that corrupt or tyrannical authorities would confiscate them, that's a risk they run every moment. Such an authority would probably already have control over all ISPs in that country, making it impossible to do a mobile cloud back-up. Best solution would be copy the stuff to the laptop and encrypt it there, rather than make 3 camera companies make something that adds hundreds of $$$ to the price of a camera

    1. Re:Avoid making cameras more complicated by Kjella · · Score: 1

      If there is the fear that corrupt or tyrannical authorities would confiscate them, that's a risk they run every moment. Such an authority would probably already have control over all ISPs in that country, making it impossible to do a mobile cloud back-up. Best solution would be copy the stuff to the laptop and encrypt it there, rather than make 3 camera companies make something that adds hundreds of $$$ to the price of a camera

      What it'll cost in design and they'll charge for it is another matter, but SD card speed hardware encryption is achieved in a few thousand logic gates and single digit milliwatts of power and the rest is basically software management. On the hardware bill of materials I'm thinking $5 tops. Whether they want to is less certain, it also sounds like a function many people trying to take creepy shots would use and cause bad PR.

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  22. Many of you are missing something by Orgasmatron · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For all of you quoting XKCD or talking about rubber hose cryptography, I have three words: Public Key Cryptography

    There is no reason why a keypair can't be generated on a safe computer in a safe country and only the public key gets loaded into the camera, while the private key remains safe. The border people could still eat the memory card, and they could add new encrypted photos/videos to it using the public key, but they couldn't view old stuff.

    You could even set the system up so that the encryption key gets encrypted twice, once with the NV public key, and once with a volatile key that gets erased after a few minutes, or at the press of a button. That way the photographer would have time to make sure they got the shot they wanted.

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    1. Re:Many of you are missing something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      God, thank you, someone here who is not retarded. This solution literally takes 2 seconds to think of.

    2. Re:Many of you are missing something by OzPeter · · Score: 2

      and they could add new encrypted photos/videos to it using the public key, but they couldn't view old stuff.

      [Setting: A border crossing station in a nondescript, corrupt nation. Definitely not the US. No sir, not the USA]
      Border Guard: Is this your camera?
      Photog: Yes it is.
      BG: I just have to take it to this back room to inspect it.
      Ph: ... OK
      [5 mins later]
      BoG: You are under arrest!
      Ph: What for?
      BG: For the possession of child pornography that we found on your camera.

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    3. Re:Many of you are missing something by Stavr0 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately that $5 wrench can also be used to shatter the memory card into thousand of fine silicon particles. PKI doesn't help protect against that.

    4. Re:Many of you are missing something by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      The border people would detain you until you coughed up the key. Besides, there is no reason you can't encrypt today if you just copy the files over to a computer. You don't need buggy implementations on cameras.

    5. Re:Many of you are missing something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For all of you quoting XKCD or talking about rubber hose cryptography, I have three words: Public Key Cryptography

      What would actually happen:
      Cueball: His laptop's encrypted. Drug him and hit him with this $5 wrench until his wife emails us the private key.
      Friend : Got it.

    6. Re:Many of you are missing something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The setting could be: the IT/Security department at your mega-news-agency holds the private key. The public key on your camera just encrypts everything (and secure-erases non-encrypted images) within few minutes of the shot.

      The border guards can get access to camera, etc., but there's no way they can get the key without going through a corporate lawyer and your company's IT/Security department. (in other words, it wouldn't be a matter of asking you nicely, it would need to go through proper channels, etc., potentially publicizing their search efforts).

    7. Re:Many of you are missing something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They can also do that equally well with any other camera. It would be a lot harder to manipulate the time/date stamp on encrypted photos. Just because the camera uses half a keypair doesn't mean it has to have a provision to supply the keypair half it holds. Why would users ever want the manufacturer to build in such facility? Add a key, yes. Delete the key, yes. Supply the key, never.

    8. Re:Many of you are missing something by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      Good idea in terms of key management, but by itself it doesn't entirely solve the rubber hose problem, it just makes sure they'll beat you until they're sure you really can't decrypt the files, leaving you without the photos and with extensive injuries.

      Combined with deniable encryption it's a pretty good solution though. The only trouble is keeping your adversary from finding the key which would blow your deniability out of the water. I had the idea to use symmetric-key encryption with a user-entered key held in RAM to fix that problem, although it introduces other vulnerabilities.

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    9. Re:Many of you are missing something by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a good reason to not tell the wife the key.

    10. Re:Many of you are missing something by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 1

      Public Key Cryptography won't save you from a beating using a $5 wrench. What's more - if the assailant understands you don't have a key to decrypt your footage, your footage and camera might be destroyed and you may end your life in a ditch.

      With unencrypted video you can at least show the evidence you haven't shot more than everyone is comfortable with and you might be let go.

    11. Re:Many of you are missing something by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You could even..." make a product with FOSS firmware/OS, and let the free market determine what the best balance of security/convenience/developereffort is.

    12. Re:Many of you are missing something by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      That's not the point. The photographers are already taking those risks. Usually just by being there. If you are a credible westerner and you see something awful, if that becomes known, you might have a hard time getting out of that area alive, even if you aren't carrying a camera.

      This helps the people they are interviewing and taking pictures of, assuring them that the pictures or video won't fall into the wrong hands.

      Why did a half dozen people think that the proper response to my rebuttal of the meme, was to repeat the exact same thing? When did "say it again, louder" become your only debate tactic? Did you all go to government-run schools?

      I don't mean to single you out. I could literally paste this post as a reply to almost everyone that responded to my initial comment. Cryptography can't solve all of our problems, but there are actual, concrete situations when it can help. I get it that understanding the threats and trying to figure out real solutions is harder than regurgitating a meme, but come on.

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  23. DRM paradise by FreeUser · · Score: 1

    While this request has DRM implications I really don't like (lense to screen encryption) and is no doubt an MPAA wet-dream, I unfortunately have to support this, as the clear and present danger to journalists, and the potential for regimes like the Trump Administration, Putin, et. al. to distort or destroy evidence of wrongdoing, demand something like this. At least with encryption journalists can keep their data safe, and if done properly, we can detect changes to the raw video/audio data. Both of which will be critical if we don't permanently want to live in a so-called "post-truth" reality (which really means "nothing but lies, lies, and more lies" reality).

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  24. BzzzzzT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sickening sound your camera makes as you photograph the cop beating a man on the street.
    Mandated by law.

  25. Edward Snowden says BOO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ya know why it will never really happen , THINK SNOWDEN

  26. Want to get content out of borders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Take pictures/movies, download to laptop, encrypt, store in tiny USB drive, hide it somewhere, delete original content from camera.
    There are tool out there that can store content in USB drive areas which are not visible (store data in unused USB drive space).
    All this, assuming you have no internet connection, otherwise it's just too trivial.

  27. You don't need this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Big Brother's answer will simply be to automatically treat all cameras as devices to be seized instead of cursorily examined. What you need is a device that can be hooked up to the camera's USB port emulating a printer. Choose the pictures you want, transfer, the device can write them to a microsd card with any encryption you want. Then delete the stuff you don't want seen. All you have to do is hide the microsd.

  28. YOUR HIRED...by TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    YOUR HIRED...by TRUMP

    1. Re: YOUR HIRED...by TRUMP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not my hired, it's YOUR hired.

  29. Steganography by Tungbo · · Score: 1

    Wifi upload is the best.  But failing that, steganography is second best.  Take lots of photo of parades and landscape.  There should be ample extra bits to save the photo/video that you wish to hide amongst the bland photos. 

    1. Re:Steganography by PPH · · Score: 1

      Wifi upload is the best.

      This.

      You can upload to a small Raspberry Pi (or similar) device concealed somewhere nearby. From there, you can implement whole disk encryption and/or forward it to The Cloud. If law enforcement stops you, you can offer to show them how many views their current activity is getting on YouTube.

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    2. Re:Steganography by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Re "Take lots of photo of parades and landscape. There should be ample extra bits to save the photo/video that you wish to hide amongst the bland photos. "
      Add an extra 5-10 % of data onto each larger RAW file size depending on the brands average RAW file size? Split the hidden files so the RAW files can hold part of another hidden RAW or a few hidden jpegs. Over the many 10's of gb on average consumer storage cards that could spread an extra percentage of of images in the parades and landscapes.
      Some hidden gui that shows for a count of images as a ratio of hidden file space that is then ready to hide more images in. Realtime CPU work and real images are then hidden and spread over the parades and landscapes after a very short time. If stopped in the street later, only safe parades and landscape are seen on the display, saved on media, or can be copied.
      Quality could then be captured but would need a high count of ready parades and landscapes to hide in.
      Or go for jpeg thats not so useful later but a much higher count could be secured in less parades and landscapes RAW images.

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  30. All or nothing ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

    ... why are we talking about professionals?

    LEO wants to ban encryption period

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  31. Here's our chance! by fishscene · · Score: 2

    If Nikon, Sony, and Canon (for example) handled it like the MPAA, we'd end up with: the encryption can only legally be unlocked on licensed products (in certain countries) and don't allow making copies of the files. Instead, you'll need to buy a license per-format to export it to the file you want, such as an iPhone or an HD TV. Ensure that the file can only be exported in the country the license was purchased in and may not be moved to another country. Make some kind of claim of "you're not really buying our camera's - you're buying a license to use them" - then sue for 10x the actual damages for any studio/reporter/etc that makes copies, backups, or anything else related to making a film that infringes on the license.

    1. Re:Here's our chance! by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      If Nikon, Sony, and Canon (for example) handled it like the MPAA, we'd end up with: the encryption can only legally be unlocked on licensed products (in certain countries) and don't allow making copies of the files. Instead, you'll need to buy a license per-format to export it to the file you want, such as an iPhone or an HD TV. Ensure that the file can only be exported in the country the license was purchased in and may not be moved to another country. Make some kind of claim of "you're not really buying our camera's - you're buying a license to use them" - then sue for 10x the actual damages for any studio/reporter/etc that makes copies, backups, or anything else related to making a film that infringes on the license.

      No, they'd make it so you need to run a proprietary application to decrypt the photos. Sure ti starts out free with the camera on the software disc, but soon you'll be paying $30 for it, and the pros will have to pay $300/year to license the decryption software. Then another $15 for each camera you use.

      And it'll be so it only works with their camera.

  32. Write Speeds? by WillgasM · · Score: 1

    I doubt there's a good way to encrypt and write RAW to an SD card in real-time and maintain the rapid capture rates everyone wants. You'd need a relatively large processor and cache, which would then become the new point of attack.

    1. Re:Write Speeds? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Combining the extra processing capability with speed would cost more for the first couple generations of processors. The cache would be much less of a concern since it could be sized so that cache data is overwritten every shot.

    2. Re:Write Speeds? by blueg3 · · Score: 2

      Encryption implemented in hardware is fast. Note that there are plenty of embedded devices that do encryption and decryption at high bit rates (Blu-ray player, HDCP endpoint, encrypted hard disk, link-layer network encryption).

      A fast flash storage card for a camera has a write speed of about 100 MB/s. It's pretty easy to get hardware AES implementations that are around a gigabit/sec.

  33. Delete is not secure erase by bussdriver · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cameras lack a secure erase.
    Cameras lack a decent secure upload if they have wifi at all. Secure wifi drivers are probably a problem.
    Cameras lack encrypted storage (which should be done in a way that does not indicate the user trashed the key.)
    Cameras give off forensic information identifying the brand and possibly the model camera (I'm not talking about metadata but analysis of the CCD noise at full resolution, which I read exists even after jpeg compression; plus dead pixels could be a fingerprint.)
    Cameras lack the option to strip out metadata.

    Cameras will 1st probably get a censorship recognition feature: using special visual codes during a movie or a government location disabling the camera or notifications sent.... features which will be abused.

  34. Rubber Hose. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    A rubber hose and a few other things will make short work of whatever is done.

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    1. Re:Rubber Hose. by fnj · · Score: 1

      Suppose you encrypt it with the public key for which you DO NOT HAVE the corresponding private key? Hmmmm? Maybe the private key is known only to a third party with whom you have a secret canary agreement. Maybe this third party is in a safe jurisdiction. The rubber hose about which you boast will not be worth shit then.

    2. Re:Rubber Hose. by twokay · · Score: 1

      That's fine for anyone willing to die for their cause. Admittedly hostage taking and murder raises the stakes slightly, compared to a few broken bones and lashes from a rubber hose that could be explained away. But if the footage is that important and it falls into the wrong hands someone is going to get hurt.

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    3. Re:Rubber Hose. by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Admittedly hostage taking and murder raises the stakes slightly, compared to a few broken bones and lashes from a rubber hose that could be explained away.

      A corpse or several in a a badly burned out car on a quiet back road is a far simpler story than explaining away a few wrench-marks and rubber hose burns.

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  35. Why camera makers? by p51d007 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Do it on your own! You want to secure the photos on the memory card (which most camera makers DO NOT include), then it should be up to the end user, to secure those files, not the camera maker. What I fear, is they will bow down and do it, and even in RAW mode, it could somehow have an impact on the file, and could corrupt it and then where will you be?

  36. Compact Flash|SD - custom SSD by CrashNBrn · · Score: 1

    Seems to me this would be better|easier solved via a custom SD-card, as opposed to the camera itself.

    I'm sure Sandisk, Samsung and co could come up with a Compact-Flash or SD-Card that was more akin to a SSD (with TPM-like chip).

    Sounds more like the technically-challenged thinking something is a good idea. Like how so many people are replacing all their old audio-gear to get something with bluetooth... when you could just add a $20 bluetooth dongle to your existing kit.

  37. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You actually think that excuse will play in the Ayatollah's Iran?

    1. Re:Really? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      How many people do you know that can't tell the difference between a HD and RAM? They can all operate smartphones though. There are plenty of these people around.

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    2. Re:Really? by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      Journalists are well aware of the risks they take. And they are expected to take some personal risk to protect their sources.

    3. Re: Really? by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Do journalists know everything that the state doesn't want to be known? They can't possibly know that. For example, if you are working on a documentary about some rare butterfly. You've taken video and pictures of it in the wild. Unfortunately for you the state was doing something it doesn't want to be disclosed in that area. Your footage has nothing in it, but the state doesn't care. You were in the area; that's enough for them. Or the state can't read your files at all.

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  38. Ah, the old "hide under the bed" trick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You really think they won't look for this? This is juvenile level shenanigans.

    1. Re:Ah, the old "hide under the bed" trick. by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I'd bet it would work against any non-Five-Eyes government. It would even have a chance against those, if they don't suspect you heavily enough to pull a cold boot attack and do firmware inspection on a camera.

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  39. Literally too high to count? by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 1

    I can count pretty damn high, since I know basic math, my ability to count only stops when I get tired.
    So, "literally too high to count" (from the summary) is BS.

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    1. Re:Literally too high to count? by Mal-2 · · Score: 1

      You're walking through a train station. The train pulls up and all the passengers pile out. If you could somehow stop time, you could easily count them all, but how can you handle it in real time? You can't even see all of them, let alone count that fast.

      It's not the quantity that is uncountable. It is concealment, and the rate at which events are happening, that makes them uncountable.

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    2. Re:Literally too high to count? by Grady+Martin · · Score: 1

      You are correct, and the attempted rebuttal to your point rests upon illogical premises. No number is too high to count, and anyone who disagrees is hereby requested to provide a number that proves otherwise.

  40. I made an Adroid app for this once... by bytesex · · Score: 1

    It only leaves the public key on the phone, and the private key on your computer (which presumably is in a safe environment), and encrypts the files one-way. You can't even review them on the phone itself. Needless to say, nobody understood what the app was for... so I pulled it.

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  41. What will you do? by dasgoober · · Score: 1

    When the man with the gun, in the law-less corner of the world, asks you to un-encrypt your footage?

  42. Will not happen by randomErr · · Score: 1

    Encryption takes time. When you're shooting photos or video you need something that works now. You need to capture the moment, not 5 seconds later,

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    1. Re:Will not happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Encoding in an image format also takes time. Camera manufacturers already know how to solve this problem successfully.

    2. Re:Will not happen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My camera can jpeg compress in real time. It should be able to do AES CBC mode in real time too since thats less expensive. We have servers that can encrypt at 40Gb per second easily, there is no reason a camera asic can't approach (or exceed if it only supports one mode) that, and thats far more than we need.

  43. Pot calling the kettle black. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Documentary makers often do not have permission from God to film the environment yet now they want end-to-end encryption so they can maybe restrict who sees the film. That reeks of hypocrisy and is colloquially the pot calling the kettle black, and therefore should not be allowed.

  44. Custom handcuffs by golodh · · Score: 2
    Just adopt legislation that requires anyone in the possession of an encrypted camera to provide the encryption key to any police officer who asks, on pain of ... say ... 2 years of jail time for each offense.

    Like in the UK.

    That should teach tech-obsessed journos who is boss.

    Any questions ?

    1. Re:Custom handcuffs by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      on pain of ... say ... 2 years of jail time for each offense.

      Note that each encrypted bit is a separate charge, and sentences run consecutively.

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  45. Um. . . no by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

    Do you know how much time encryption would add to the photo process ?

    Right now we have to buy the blistering fast cards in order to utilize extended shooting with fast frame rates.

    Even THEN, the cameras will eventually fill their buffers because we can't write to the cards fast enough.

    Imagine how long it would take to write a dozen 30MP+ shots to the card if we encrypted them first.

    Besides, your Smartphone is likely protected by a password and they have no issues with beating it out of you, using a hack to get in or just jailing you for not providing the key upon demand.

    I don't see any positives from adding encryption to a camera platform.

    1. Re:Um. . . no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you know how much time encryption would add to the photo process ?

      Not much. Sure, if you use software only, it will take forever. Fortunately, we know how to implement AES in silicon, and doing it that way will add a negligible amount of time to the process.

    2. Re:Um. . . no by subk · · Score: 1

      Imagine how long it would take to write a dozen 30MP+ shots to the card if we encrypted them first.

      If you're doing AES chiper in realtime on the ASIC, the performance-hit to the write operation is going to be quite minimal. AES Encrypted data is the same size as the plain input + 1 block (16 bytes).

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  46. Magic Lantern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some Canon EOS cameras, there is the free Magic Lantern alternate firmware, which supports optional encryption :

    https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9963.0

    1. Re:Magic Lantern by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Ty AC, more here
      "io_crypt - encrypt your photos while you shoot them"
      http://www.magiclantern.fm/for...

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  47. Money by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Well for one they are ridiculously expensive unless you already have one. Even if you do, the "plans" are exorbitantly expensive. They make the worst cell phone plans look like [insert some cheap analog here]. Particularly when dealing with video and large image files it just isn't feasible.

  48. So, just what will this solve? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Places like China already have strict policies on what people with cameras can take pictures of and you must hand over those pictures to government officials and they will decide which ones you can take out of the country. All that will happen is if a border guard encounters encrypted photographs it will become standard policy to seize the camera, delete the pictures, then hold the photographer in prison until he decrypt's those (now nonexistent) pictures.

    1. Re:So, just what will this solve? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      AC as a few people have mentioned, steganography would solve that issue. A lot of happy images hide the next Tank Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... .

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    2. Re:So, just what will this solve? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      decrypt's

      What belongs to a decrypt?

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  49. Bad idea. Why? by mveloso · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm not sure these guys understand what'll happen if there's in-camera encryption. I can see at least two possible outcomes:

    1. The device is encrypted, so the authorities just take and destroy it
    2. The device is encrypted, so the authorities just take and destroy it, and kill the jouro when they refuse to unlock it.

    I'm not sure either of these are really want the person in question wants. I can think of other issues (and you can too), but encrypting the device is probably not the right answer.

    1. Re:Bad idea. Why? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Steganography https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... is what would work. The ability to display a lot of normal images in RAW and with jpegs that hide a few RAW images hidden over slightly larger file sizes. It would need a lot of normal images to provide the extra file size for a few real images.
      With cheap media and a lot of sets of HDR images https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... , a number of real images could be hidden.
      Anyone looking at a few 100 images would see art and allowed sites. Within that would be a ratio of hidden images.
      Encryption would be discovered. A camera card with 100 images that don't display would be seen as data.
      100 sunset images would be passed.

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  50. It's bitztream by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the autism-hating, custom EpiPen-hating, Musk-hating Slashdot troll!

  51. Signing for authentication? by charlesj68 · · Score: 1

    Beyond the encryption issue addressed in this article, the inclusion of cryptographic features in cameras could offer an authentication feature. Hash the image in its RAW format, sign the hash and store it in the meta data. Do the same thing for the "thumbnail" JPGs that some cameras offer. Now you could tie a given image to a given camera and know that it had not been modified. Of course each camera would need to have its own key pair, and the manufacturer would have to warehouse the private keys and provide the validation service that verified an image was signed by a particular camera ... And there are lots of situations that tying an image to a given camera might not be beneficial. Probably too much work ...

  52. Shoot film! by steve90 · · Score: 1

    Shooting film might be a smart move in these situations I doubt many of these border guards have a dark room handy.

  53. Hello? Encryption embargo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't these fools know that US emforces an embargo on encryption?
    So if these camera manufacturers build in encryption, their camera cannot be shipped to countries such as China since US will stop the shipment!

  54. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  55. How's life in the hypocrite lane?

  56. Get a Samsung NX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meanwhile it is already possible if you have a Samsung NX series camera (which runs Linux) https://sites.google.com/site/nxcryptophotography/

  57. "simply" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think "simply" means what you think it means.

    Why not simply employ a Sat-phone-like device to upload the data on the fly (assuming they can get a signal)? The data can be transmitted before the SD is compromised. Then, it won't matter if the SD is compromised.

    Which part of that is "simply" to you ? the expensive equipment that weighs almost as much as the camera, the expensive data plans or the very low bandwidth that makes uploading even single pictures a mini-vacation in itself ?

    Alternatively, simply build cell / encryption capability into the camera itself.

    Ah. To you "simply" means just that you can write it in few words.