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Vitamin D Deficiency During Pregnancy Linked To Autism (newatlas.com)
New submitter future guy quotes a report from New Atlas: The researchers examined around 4,200 blood samples from pregnant women and their children and discovered a link between autism and low levels of vitamin D. More specifically, they found that pregnant women who were vitamin D deficient at 20 weeks gestation were more likely to have a child with autistic traits by the age of six. Rather than taking in more sunlight and the heightened risk of skin cancer that it carries, the researchers suggest that making inexpensive and safe vitamin D supplements available to at-risk groups may be a better path forward. "This study provides further evidence that low vitamin D is associated with neurodevelopmental disorders," says Professor John McGrath from the University of Queensland. "Just as taking folate in pregnancy has reduced the incidence of spina bifida, the result of this study suggests that prenatal vitamin D supplements may reduce the incidence of autism." The research was published in the journal Molecular Psychiatry.
Can't they just get some vitamin shots for this?
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They just said vaccines steal vitamins!
The girl from porn was right!
Problem solved.
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
Presumably peoples who live at the extreme latitudes near the poles, who would get a lot less sunlight in winter, would have a seasonally higher incidence of autism?
Vaccines cause vitamin D deficiencies
Where is the news?
This seems to just confirm previous data, which is important to researchers, but not that interesting to the public.
The vitamin-D hypothesis has been around for years. It would be interesting if a causal link, or treatment, could be demonstrated,
e.g. a randomised placebo controlled trial of supplements during pregnancy. But there seems to be none of that yet.
1. Autism is primarily genetic
2. Autistic individuals seem to have real problems metabolizing some vitamins and minerals from food. Vitamin B-12 is one well-known example... basically, autistic individuals aren't able to adequately metabolize forms like cyanocobalamin into something that can cross the blood-brain barrier, but giving them injectable methylcobalamin (which CAN cross the BBB) can reduce some symptoms of autism by giving their brain access to a vitamin it would otherwise be deficient in.
3. By extension of 1 and 2, aspie mothers might show vitamin D deficiencies and, for reasons completely independent of their own vitamin D deficiency, be more likely to have kids who are themselves on the autism spectrum.
No, you look after them for the rest of their lives, just like any responsible society does for those not able to look after themselves.
Don't forget schizophrenia too. Vitamin D3 deficiency (Calcitriol) is why black mothers who give birth in winter months have a significantly high percentage of having a child that develops schizophrenia. D3 has a strong catalytic effect on glutathione production in the brain (PMID 10428085), and without adequate glutathione the body will not have a way to control reactive oxygen species. This oxidative stress then irrevocably damages the brain during fetal development and you end up with a wide range of problems down the road like Autism and mental health problems.
Also don't forget that the half-life for the active metabolite of vitamin D is on the order of 21 days. That means it takes about 5 months to reach steady state. One of the best advice I can recommend is that all pregnant women take at least 2,000 IU of D3 per day, with a 21 day 4,000 I.U. loading dose.
Your move
But, but because of Freedom we can't create and make comprehensive public health system and research with free prenatal guidance and support for mothers!
Physics was not one of your best subjects in high school, was it?
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"Antisocial" is a very narrow view and actually completely fucking wrong.
Socially incompatible with normies and their primarily emotionally driven horseshit is more like it.
I would know, source is myself.
This is consistent with studies going back to the late 1990's.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/vitamin-d-and-autism/
>... Swedish researchers published a study in Developmental Medicine and Child Neurology that found the prevalence of autism and related disorders was three to four times higher among Somali immigrants than non-Somalis in Stockholm. The study reviewed the records of 2,437 children, born between 1988 and 1998 in Stockholm, in response to parents and teachers who had raised concerns about whether children with a Somali background were overrepresented in the total group of children with autism.
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> In Sweden, the 15,000-strong Somali community calls autism "the Swedish disease," says Elisabeth Fernell, a researcher at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm and a co-author of the study.
In Minnesota, where there are an estimated 60,000 Somali immigrants, the situation was quite similar: There, health officials noted reports of autism among Somali refugees, who began arriving in 1993, comparable to those found in Sweden. Within several years of arrival, dozens of the Somali families whose children were born in the U.S. found themselves grappling with autism, says Huda Farah, a Somali-born molecular biologist who works on refugee resettlement issues with Minnesota health officials. The number of Somali children in the city's autism programs jumped from zero in 1999 to 43 in 2007, says Ann Fox, director of special education programs for Minneapolis schools. The number of Somali-speaking children in the Minneapolis school district increased from 1,773 to 2,029 during the same period.
Socially incompatible with each other too, look at the divide between free software idealism and open source pragmatism. And good luck navigating the deceitful minefield of tech jobs these days where "tech" means "on a computer" and the actual jobs are marketing, advertising, public relations, or similar social bullshit work.
No, you look after them for the rest of their lives, just like any responsible society does for those not able to look after themselves.
Many of them can look after themselves, especially if they get some help to get started. In America, 80% of autistic people are not employed. But with coaching, and targeted help, most autistic people are employable. Some countries do a far better job of this than others. The Economist recently had an article about the effectiveness of education and employment policies for autistic people.
As an autistic person I find your comment far more offensive and ignorant than the obvious flamebait above it. Autistic people who cannot take care of themselves are a minority of a minority of a minority.
Physics was not one of your best subjects in high school, was it?
Melanin make skin dark, and does indeed cause more light to be absorbed, but the light is absorbed before it generates vitamin D. People with darker skin living in northern climates are more likely to be vitamin D deficient.
Not everyone with autism is an 'antisocial nerd' that's living in the gutter, thank you very much. People with autism may be even more productive in some areas than neurotypical people.
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According to the following studies, darker skin colors are are significantly associated with poorer vitamin D status and whites are 30% more likely than blacks and 50% more likely than Hispanics to be identified with Autism. These trends do not seem to support the hypothesis that vitamin D deficiency is a primary cause of Autism. http://www.medscape.com/viewar... http://www.aappublications.org...
And the vaccine contains mercury...
Oh wait, both those statements are bollocks.
"Wait. Something's happening. It's opening up! My God, it's full of apricots!"
Thanks for enlightening me.
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Eventually, the Market will sort all that out. People with autism will choose to be born in countries that have better public health care, which will bankrupt themselves by subsidizing the weak and useless. America will become greater by not having so many autistic people born here. Of course, once they're born, we won't let them in, unless they can get an H1B visa.
Viruses are not really alive, ever... read up on it.
I'm - as I suspect most of us are here - your classic nerdy/geeky semi-ADHD/Auspergers type. But generally speaking AFAICT nutrition has been linked to this condition and personality type more than once (look for the book "The LCP Solution"). My mother told me she was practically addicted to licorice during her pregnancy with me. This could have been a "self-medication" attempt of her body to mitigate the lack of vitamin D which she recently noticed. And, fittingly enough, excess licorice consumption during pregnancy is actually in fact one of those rare things that has been found to correlate with ADHD symptoms in the child.
As for vitamin D I haven't had a bloodwork in more than a decade but I'd bet money that I've got a vitamin D deficiency, as any indoor computer expert guy probably has. My mom herself is of the nerd/shut-in/bookworm type and ADHD disposition runs on my mothers side of the family.
I myself don't drink alcohol, eat meat very rarely and live quite healthy aside from the fact that I am basically a sugar-addict. A thing I certainly link to my mothers excess licorice consumption during her pregnancy. I also notice that as soon as I actively curb my sugar addiction and lean towards a more organic balanced, whole & fresh foods diet, my awareness hightens notably and I get cooler/calmer than I usually am. If you're a nerdy type, try it out and go full organic & balanced for 8 weeks. The difference you'll notice is palpable.
I'm coping pretty well and wouldn't call my ADHD a disfunction rather than a disposition ... "Hunter/Gatherer in a Farmer/Settler society, Rebel/Adventurer/Leader disposition, etc, jada-jada" ... you probably know the evolutionary theories concerning ADHD. That aside I truely believe backed by what I've read and experienced nutrition is the biggest leverage any ADHD/Aspergers candidate has, aside from regular excercise and a diversified daily routine.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
Well, as an austenitic person I find your sub-912C body temperature and non-FCC crystal structure to be disturbing and unnatural.
Let them rot in the gutter?
Everybody's tripping over themselves to demonstrate to the world how un-empathetic they are. Weird way to go about getting respect.
But in short, you're a skidmark, and should you ever find yourself in need of assistance, I hope to fuck you don't get it.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
As long as people avoid MMS they should be fine.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Also avoid the MMR virus as it's linked to Autism, too.
Yeah, that measles mumps & rubella virus is a real pain. Not as bad as the polio aids smallpox virus, but bad nonetheless.
If you don't like the taste look for mint flavored cod liver oil.
you get them sterilized, THEN you look after them.
they're not just for Christmas.
Round'em all up and euthanize them, like they would do in yoorop.
Though the Dylan Roof thing was a tragedy... at least it made me lol once while driving and listening to the radio news.
A synopsis of the events:
(white guy kills nine peaceful members of society including a state senator)
FBI: "Why'd you do it?"
Roof: "Blacks are violent."
LOL
Ok, lets be clear this is a retrospective cohort study. That means that no experimental treatments were applied, so cause and effect cannot be determined on the basis of this trial. This is a clear example of what is wrong with most people's understanding of "BIG DATA". Just because the sample size is enormous, it does not immediately follow that differences detected are real, meaningful, or causal. In-fact, large sample sizes Guarantee that spurious differences will pop up in the data pretty regularly.
Even if the association is real, there is nothing in this data to say whether
A) low Vitamin D causes increased autism risk
B) Increased autism risk causes low Vitamin D
C) Or whether both are in turn caused by something else with improvements in one having no effect on the other..
The authors should never have made recommendations based on this data, other than that more trials are needed to determine whether or not this association is causal, or if it could be used as an indirect indicator of autism risk.
Bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.-Oscar Wilde
But, but because of Freedom we must create and make comprehensive public health system and research with free prenatal guidance and support for mothers!
FTFY
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
Agreed. It cannot.
I'll see your Constitution and raise you a Queen.
Steel yourself against their words brother. Their sticks and stones cannot hurt you.
Not everyone with autism is an 'antisocial nerd' that's living in the gutter, thank you very much. People with autism may be even more productive in some areas than neurotypical people.
And so many people don't get this. As the "autism epidemic" took hold - mainly by expanding the definition to include more people, they started including people who might have been just a little different than neurotypicals.
People with say, Asperger's syndrome are often wildly productive. I have a few friends with the syndrome, and they aren't remotely disabled. They are differently abled. Sometimes much better abled for what interests them.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
So if autistic people are a minority, and those who can't take care of themselves are another minority, what exactly is the third minority in this hierarchy?
Spot on, vaccines dont cause it. Thats what all of the science says at least.
Again, another issue - whether proven or not, that indicates that pre-natal vitamins ARE THE BEST THING YOU CAN INVEST IN FOR THE HEALTH AND FUTURE OF YOUR IN-UTERO DEVELOPING CHILD ! ! !
It's a shame that these supplements are not covered as a matter of course for EVERY pregnant woman in the world.
redneck geek
That depends heavily on your definition of "alive" - a concept for which surprisingly enough there's not actually any clear definition, much less a widely agreed upon one. The medical profession doesn't even have a clear line to tell us when a particular person is alive or dead - it's all fairly arbitrary "rules of thumb" (currently brain death, including the brain stem, is the accepted threshold in the US)
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Eventually, the Market will sort all that out. People with autism will choose to be born in countries that have better public health care, which will bankrupt themselves by subsidizing the weak and useless. America will become greater by not having so many autistic people born here. Of course, once they're born, we won't let them in, unless they can get an H1B visa.
Glad to see the births, lives, and deaths of people can be summed up as "the Market". Also, glad to see eugenics is back in fashion. Also, factually disprovable because the highest rates for autism in the world belong to Denmark, Sweden, and Japan, all countries with vastly higher standards of living and far more robust economies than the USA, which comes just after.
"Set a man a fire, he'll be warm for the rest of the night. Set a man afire, he'll be warm for the rest of his life."
This depends on where you draw the line for being "autistic" or not. Having spent some years working with a program for autistic kids at a local public school, there is a difference between saying a child is autistic and on the autistic spectrum, with the latter including much more minor characteristics that usually don't get in the way of life with a little guidance. The majority of the former however were going to need some amount of care for the rest of their life. A large fraction of them are also employable, but with simple tasks with high amounts of supervision that is done for charity rather than productivity (and unfortunately often paid a pittance, less than minimum wage). But in that case, being employable doesn't mean capable of independent living.
You're a worthless individual. Yes, that's why no-one likes you.
They're violent because they're human. Something you should strive for yourself.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
If Vitamin D is a culprit, then we should see more autism in places like the UK, which are historically deficient in sunlight. Furthermore, this correlation should be strongest in specific locales where a modern supplemented diet does not predominate.
Humans... all our EMP and magnetic rays couldn't harm them, but a simple stick can easily kill them.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Eventually, the Market will sort all that out. People with autism will choose to be born in countries that have better public health care, which will bankrupt themselves by subsidizing the weak and useless. America will become greater by not having so many autistic people born here. Of course, once they're born, we won't let them in, unless they can get an H1B visa.
Glad to see the births, lives, and deaths of people can be summed up as "the Market". Also, glad to see eugenics is back in fashion. Also, factually disprovable because the highest rates for autism in the world belong to Denmark, Sweden, and Japan, all countries with vastly higher standards of living and far more robust economies than the USA, which comes just after.
Ummmm, whoosh? Do you really think the AC thought that people with autism would CHOOSE where they get born?
Enigma
When you look at the lyrics of "Human Behaviour" by Bjork, it sure reads like an Asperger's view of humanity...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Romania might disagree.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
He's a bot. We all know how even though every first-in-class player says AI is on the cusp of great win-win synergy with humanity, satire is still a long-term research goal.
Antisocial tech nerds have always been useless.
No, why would it?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Physicians always strongly suggested a multi-vitamin during pregnancy, and even wrote scripts for them - has this stopped?
Considering that an overdose of some vitamins is actually harmful to you (and in turn a potential fetus growing inside of you), you might want to reconsider that.
I agree that a sensible level of all essential substances you might need is a good thing, but simply saying "pump as much of that stuff into your body" isn't going to cut it. That's like watching an anorexic woman giving birth to a sick child and concluding that every pregnant woman should drink a few gallons of fat every day, even if she looks like she's about to give birth to an elephant.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Blood draws are required to measure efficacy. For instance, most vitamin D supplements did not improve my wife's vitamin D levels. Science requires measurement and the science people should care the most about is the science of their own health. Doctors telling patients to take supplements without follow up are poor practitioners of medicine.
I bet chemtrails would help too.
Reading this, all I can think of is how much sooner would we have figured this out if we hadn't wasted millions of man-hours and 10s of millions of dollars fighting against all the anti-vaccine idiocy.
Please note that I said PRE-NATAL VITAMINS - - - implicitly referring to medically prescribed levels of vitamins and supplements.
Agreed, dosing the body with massive supplements is bad, and in many cases is tantamount to self-poisoning, along the same lines of taking arsenic to restore youthful appearance. Without medically approved control of vitamins and supplements, you may as well eat a bullet - - - at least that would be quicker and more painless than the damage you can do to your body by gulping massive doses of ANYTHING.
cheers . . .
redneck geek
There's some theories that a number of brain development issues are caused by autoimmune responses to virus exposure (vaccine or otherwise). It's too early to say yes or no to it, but it's really interesting at the very least.
Rather than taking in more sunlight and the heightened risk of skin cancer that it carries, the researchers suggest that making inexpensive and safe vitamin D supplements available to at-risk groups may be a better path forward.
1) more sunlight does not mean heightened risk of skin cancer--it actually *reduces* it:
http://www.realfarmacy.com/sci...
2) vitamin supplements actually *increase* our risk of disease:
http://www.theatlantic.com/hea...
Look at me, look at me, everyone, I'm being all edgy and shit!
YOU are the useless autist, please kill yourself.
magnetic rays
Magnets don't make rays, magnetic fields have divergence of 0
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magnetic rays
Magnets don't make rays, magnetic fields have divergence of 0
obsessively_correcting_factual_errors while_substantially_missing_actual_point
I see you haven't uncovered the existence of my secret doomsday weapon powered by magnetic monopoles...
Also the highest functioning of us can lead better than average lives. It tends to contribute to intelligence levels, though social interaction is more of a challenge. My daughter and I seem quite capable of overcoming everything and are quite fulfilled. Though, the difference is Pervasive Developmental Disorder can be higher functioning than Asperger's even. Training for eye contact and many other things isn't too bad. Only big difference is emotional attachments are kind of juvenile. When my brain picks someone as a friend I just want to spend all my time with them and would do almost anything for them. You have to learn some skepticism to avoid having that backfire. Asperger's also seems to be a bit lacking empathy, but my daughter and I seem to have a fair amount. The spectrum is quite broad!
Is so bad that there is a real lack of prenatal care. Thanks Republicans.
You can find lots of studies about the correlations of UVB exposure with the incidence of autism.
Check out the NIH web site.
For example: Autism prevalence in the United States with respect to solar UV-B doses https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3897584/
Yup, lower UVB exposure correlates with increased risk of autism.
Fair and balanced society can't produce American Dream! ;)
It just isn't. https://www.fastcodesign.com/3030529/infographic-of-the-day/hilarious-graphs-prove-that-correlation-isnt-causation
I am on the spectrum and so is 1 of my 2 kids. I make enough to alow my wife to stay home and pay for everything most families struggle for with two incomes. My son can do algebra at 3. I might be socially awkward but you are an asshole. This being a STEM based site I guarantee that there are more than a few of us on the spectrum. It's what makes me a great programmer and engineer, and also let's me focus on my work rater than the office drama.
What about toddlers? It would explain the Scandinavian custom of sending their babies outside into the freezing spring air for their midday nap. Plus, it would harden them against pollen and other irritants.
Why? If this study turns out to be correct, then this is a gestational disease, not a genetic one, and the trait is not passed down to their offspring.
Most people have delicate egos and only like to have others who know how to stroke it around them. Aka, being "social". Of course you don't want to be a party-pooper, but I prefer people who just tell me what's on their mind rather than act fake to blend in.
There's a theory now? Could you link to it? What I've found so far is much but "scientific" isn't quite the term I would have used to describe it. It had more of religious zeal.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Sorry, I thought "pre natal" only means "before birth", didn't know it entails medical supervision.
In that case, I guess we agree.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Bullshit. Predispositions are hereditary. Everyone knows that it runs in families.
Apologies. A bit of naivety on my part, as I "assumed" that proper vitamin supplements marketed as 'pre-natal' would have to meet relatively rigid medical guidelines, and be doctor prescribed or doctor recommended - by name - in order to be labeled as such. Additionally, I made the assumption that the vitamins would be part of a medically supervised course of pregnancy protocols handled through a physician - ob/gyn or otherwise.
Thanks for helping to clarify that issue.
redneck geek
It would certainly be sensible, yes. Whether it is done and whether making the claim that "it's good when you're pregnant" is protected from abuse by marketing is a different question.
What I know about pregnancy shortcomings is that as far as I know (but don't quote me, I'm neither a physician nor pregnant) pregnant women show a noticeable deficit in iron and sometimes calcium. A vitamin shortage isn't really a big issue as far as I know.
Still, one thing is certain: It would certainly be a GOOD idea to get a physician/gynecologist involved and ask him for advice on the topic.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I'll stick with one, just because I don't have time right now.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p...
F.U.D. + promotion of confusion... So Fear Uncertainty Confusion and Doubt.... F.U.C.D. Pronouncing it aptly describes what that kind of propaganda does to society.
"anti-vaccine idiocy" was promoted to create CONFUSION. The vaccines involved are now voluntary banned by the FDA; which normally doesn't ban things to avoid idiotic complaints. The whole issue involves an additive put into certain vaccines given to children after it was previously banned in another market and now it has once again been banned it is now used in flu vaccines. In addition to using a new PR tactic, it appears this is a new way to still sell banned drugs: move them to new applications!
FUCD is so much worse because it fools people into making bad decisions as well as creating plenty of righteous smug people who waste tons of time attacking each other on both sides of the issue. It's a divide and conquer approach because most likely those squabbling would be unified.
MS did it with Outlook viruses in the 90s... all the media I saw always said EMAIL and never mentioned MS outlook was the only attack vector every single time it was a news story. Did they intentionally create confusion? I don't know. But I knew a TV news director who censored for sizable advertisers - he didn't know enough to realize how all of them were outlook only exploits (fyi, he didn't care either.) This is similar in that they get people blindly opposing all vaccination instead of the specific ones that were linked to the problem.
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Well said. Let's not forget the most intelligent and intellectual people in history were those who were on the spectrum. Musicians, painters, scientists. They used their single mindedness to better lives for millions of people. Chew on that everyone. Lol
Social interaction and emotional connection can seem incredibly fake and conceited to those who do not understand it. I probably would've placed on the spectrum well into my late 20s, when I got help from some friends and myself to explore the scary world of emotions and connection that I had rejected as a child. Actually deeply connecting with someone is the most rewarding experience in the world, and it can only be done in an emotional level. In my younger years I could only feel attachment to things and knowledge, and could only interact well with humans outside my family when agreed-upon rules were set, such as when playing board games.
Through this "safe haven" of sorts I was able to tentatively explots the world of social interaction, and belatedly get the experience and courage to develop what most do naturally during childhood.
The problem is how confident low-information people can be and how the media will give them time and equal treatment when the better informed people are lucky to even get coverage...
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