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Wikipedia Exceeds Fundraising Target, But Continues Asking For More Money (theregister.co.uk)

Reader Andreas Kolbe writes: The fundraising banners on Wikipedia this year are so effective that halfway through its December fundraising campaign, the Wikimedia Foundation has already exceeded its $25 million donations target for the entire month, reports The Register. A few weeks ago, Jimmy Wales promised that the Wikimedia Foundation would "stop the fundraiser if enough money were raised in shorter than the planned time". But there's no sign of the Foundation doing that. When asked about this more recently, a Wikimedia Foundation spokesperson remained non-committal on ending the campaign early. The most recent audited accounts of the Wikimedia Foundation showed net assets of $92 million and revenue of $82 million. None of this money, incidentally, pays for writing or checking Wikipedia content – that's the job of unpaid volunteers – and only $2 million are spent on internet hosting every year.

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  1. Why does anyone donate to Wikipedia? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It isn't as if the people who create anything of value, i.e. the article writers, are paid. Can't Jimmy Wales pay for his own three martini lunches?

    1. Re: Why does anyone donate to Wikipedia? by joao.cordeiro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If we are to agree that wikipedia is usefull then we can ask our selfs why?
      1 - its free
      2 - works well
      3 - info there has quality
      4 - its huge

      Do you realy think you can have a software that handles the bilions on views, edits, comments, in less then a sec, and never trows a error at you, just with good will and servers?
      No!!!
      You need a team of administradors, looking at logs of errors debuging the system, applying security patches, blocking hackers.
      You need a team of developers fixing bugs, upgrading libs, patching security holes, adding features.
      You need dev hardware and test hardware and a office for that team.
      Then there are all those lawsuits, you need a team to deal with all the law crap trown at them.
      And when all that is paid, you start thinking about next year, when ppl dont donate that much.

      It works realy well and provides a great service, why the F are you complaing about!!!!

  2. Would be great if they hired professional editors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A professional admin team would largely eliminate many of the problems Wikipedia has with its various cabals.

  3. The reason they keep raising money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is to have a buffer, and not live "paycheck to paycheck" so to speak. I don't understand why people find it so hard to understand.

    1. Re:The reason they keep raising money by spikenerd · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Is this the math you used? $92M (net assets) / $2M (internet hosting) = 46x, then round down to 45x. I think "net assets" includes things that are not easily spent, like servers, and is not the same as "cash savings". I also suspect that "internet hosting" is not equal to "operating costs". Therefore, I really have no idea how far off your figure may be. (Not your fault--the summary lacks the details necessary to support its claims.)

  4. I am not going to complain by supernova87a · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For the amount of good that this foundation does for the public, making information and truth more accessible, and policing the content in an open and rigorous way, I say let them collect as much donations as people willingly donate. It's hard enough to get people to donate -- who would refuse if the donations kept coming in.

    Sure, be transparent and honest about when you've exceeded the goal for the month (or set the goal higher), but frankly, I don't understand why you would criticize when one of the most valuable services on the internet today attempts to build more of a financial cushion for itself (and not through lying or deception or serving up users / others' content for cash, how refreshing).

    Learn to understand who are your friends and who are your enemies in this world, people.

    1. Re:I am not going to complain by LunaticTippy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Money is like manure, you have to spread it around to do any good.

      What a strange expression. Money is like manure, you need to pile it all up in a big heap and leave it there for about a year, turning it occasionally with a pitchfork before you can add it to your soil. Add about 1-2 inches of this aged money and work it into the soil to increase yields.

      If you add fresh money, generally referred to as "hot money" you can burn the roots of your plants because it contains too much immediately released nitrogen.

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    2. Re:I am not going to complain by pla · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A few weeks ago, Jimmy Wales promised that the Wikimedia Foundation would "stop the fundraiser if enough money were raised in shorter than the planned time".

      who would refuse if the donations kept coming in.

      Anyone that actually values honesty?

    3. Re:I am not going to complain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about setting up an endowment, then never running fund-raising campaigns again?

    4. Re:I am not going to complain by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Please give a full breakdown of the unnecessary bullshit and how Wikipedia can function without it and achieve the same goals.

  5. Re:Misleading by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Salaries doing what? Engineers sure, but where is the rest of that going.

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  6. Sounds like all too many "charities". . . by Salgak1 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    . . . . .where, if you're lucky, 10-15% of proceeds actually go to the cause. . . .

    1. Re:Sounds like all too many "charities". . . by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      WTF?

      Why does Wikipedia need any "marketing" at all? Anyone who knows anything about the internet has heard of Wikipedia by now. This is like claiming that Google needs marketing for their search engine. If you haven't heard of Google Search or Wikipedia by now, no amount of marketing is going to help; you're probably not even using the internet.

      I don't see how it's unrealistic to expect an extremely well-established charity organization to concentrate its efforts on its core mission and not a bunch of unnecessary BS like marketing.

  7. Not as bad as Firefox fundraising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "We already make millions auctioning off your default search engine, can you please donate some money?"

  8. Re: Misleading by Luthair · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hiring fundraisers... IIRC the person in charge was making 300-400k

  9. Re:Misleading by OverlordQ · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For the most part yes. The WMF stack isn't all that complex.

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  10. Obnoxious Fundraising by supremebob · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wikipedia's fundraising activities seem to get more obnoxious every year. This year I got a nasty-gram from "Jimmy Wales" asking why I haven't given my annual donation yet.

    I already did, dumb ass, but I submitted it from a different e-mail address this year. But, hey... if you're going to give me an attitude about it, I certainly won't bother donating next year.

  11. Re:Trying to build up an endowment by careysub · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Thanks for citing their marketing material. Every nonprofit-for-profit has "reasons" why they need all the money the solicit. But you need to peek behind the curtain to see if "reasons" are supported by actual data. It isn't hard.

    We can look at the exploding spending at Wikimedia.

    And there are very serious questions about all that money being rushed out the door, who it is going to and why. There is a high level of self-dealing in passing out grants, and creating and filling the ballooning list of paid positions. It is very lucrative to be a "friend-of-Jimmy".

    A glance at the financials shows that "building an endowment" is NOT the reason for the incessant fund-raising. First, the endowment was only launched this year , and their stated plan is to use only 10-20% of their fundraising revenue for that endowment. Currently they seem to be at the low end of that number (or below it) but we will need to see a report on 2016 to see the actual break-out. The goal of the endowment is to reach $100 million, but in their last annual foundation report (a 28 page advertising pamphlet with only one page of actual information) they state having $78 million in net assets as of 18 months ago, which is an increase of $25 million from the previous year report (almost all of it unrestricted).

    If we assume that the net assets are only accumulating at the same rate as from June 2014 to June 2015 (by all data it is probably higher, much higher), then right now they have about $115 million in assets, more than enough to fully fund their foundation with soliciting a penny (they received at least $6 million in designated donations to the foundation when they set it up, so they no more than $94 million to make up to reach their stated goal.

    So no. The foundation has nothing to do with their aggressive, relentless fund-raising.

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  12. Ignorance by hackel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    These comments are so full of ignorance it's not even funny—I thought I had wandered into /r/the_donald or something. The few sensible people posting have pointed out that there seems to be an extreme lack of transparency, and no one is quite sure where all the money is going. This is a fair point and needs to be addressed by the Wikimedia Foundation. This does *not* automatically mean that they are somehow wasting this money, giving its employees lavish salaries, or anything of the sort. It means we do not know. No amount of ridiculous theorising will change that. We need to be able to trust our non-profit organizations in general, and such a great, important organization like Wikimedia in particular. Just because we don't know something doesn't make them this evil villain. If we uncover some impropriety, *then* we can demonize them. Until then, I'm making a (small) donation and also demanding more transparency. I encourage others to do the same.