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China Says It Will Return the Underwater Drone It Seized From the US (thehill.com)
An anonymous reader quotes The Hill:
China said Saturday it will return the unmanned U.S. drone it seized in the South China Sea, calling the issue "hyped up" by the U.S. "Upon confirming that the device was a U.S. underwater drone, the Chinese side decided to transfer it to the U.S. side in an appropriate manner," said the spokesman for the Chinese Defense Ministry, Sr. Col. Yang Yujun, according to CNN. "China and the United States have been communicating about this process. It is inappropriate -- and unhelpful for a resolution -- that the U.S. has unilaterally hyped up the issue. We express our regret over that."
A Defense Ministry spokesman added that China opposes U.S. "surveillance and military surveys in waters facing China...and demands the U.S. cease such activities. China will stay alert over relevant U.S. activities and will take necessary measures to counter them."
A Defense Ministry spokesman added that China opposes U.S. "surveillance and military surveys in waters facing China...and demands the U.S. cease such activities. China will stay alert over relevant U.S. activities and will take necessary measures to counter them."
Trump called Putin and Putin made a few calls.
Happens all the time. In the 70's, a Mig25 landed in Japan, pilot defected with the plane, and "owners manual". Russia was hopping mad and wanted it back, and they did...in a big box ;)
I'm sure the US underwater drone, by the time it is returned will have been photographed, scanned, dismantled
and every ounce of anything copied.
It's how it works.
"It is inappropriate -- and unhelpful for a resolution -- that the U.S. has unilaterally hyped up the issue. We express our regret over that.""
They express regret over the US being upset at their actions. Umm, okay.
-parts photographed
-boards xrayed
-wiring logged
-systems exported to solidworks for analysis
We should have it back to you some time in April.
Signed China
If you read the Chinese news report, the statement says it "seize the unknown object because it posed safety concern to the passing sea traffic". Of course, it is an excuse. But given we use the excuse of "freedom of navigation" to intrude within the 12 nm of their claimed island, it is a fair game.
Because the thief gets to decide how the victim should feel. Poor picked on China.
Yes, Trump has stated on Twitter that this is an 'unpresidented' act.
I, for one, am certain Trump will do all in his power to fully retard this situation backward as humanely plausible.
So we stole a drone and you freak out. I mean, we already stole islands and you did nothing. Why would you care about a drone?
You read it here first
C.A.T. and M.R.I work well for non-metals, even some metals.
China has all the same (or better) tools the West have.
Even the same brands in some cases.
Even tools and supplies under careful export restrictions.
Your estimate of 72 hours is a bit fast.
It takes hours to carefully uTome chips using TeraHz - CAT.
This is because boards tend to be odd shapes.
I see the fake news really works on you. Fell for an altered screen shot memegurgitation because it fits your narrative. No wonder you're so snarky, if that's how well you gather and process information. China's utter lack of concern in grabbing our equipment in the open ocean and giving us and everyone else with an interest in them not taking over the Pacific is 100% on Obama. He'd act more quickly, but he's probably still being weighed down by that Nobel Peace Prize.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
I'm amazed, and yet somehow not surprised, that you can find a way to blame Trump for Obama's response to this in a way so divorced from the reality of what just happened.
Your unprincipled essentialism is a defining characteristic of your posts and I honestly wonder if you even know what that is without clicking the link.
What altered screen shot are you talking about?
Not sure about that actually being "fake news".
The Guardian is reporting it.
Fox News is reporting it
As are numerous other news outlets, both respectable and not so respectable.
Perhaps you've just assumed it was "fake" or perhaps you're helping to disseminate your own version of "fake news".
Hey, it's not so bad that he messed it up. He can blame auto-correct (although unpresidented is not a word any auto-correct should recognize).
The bigger issue is that he's involving himself in international affords before assuming office.
You say it's probably not fake news, and then point to two other corporate media outlets that are reporting it.
Early next month you'll be able to pick one up on Aliexpress.
Wow, look at all these controversial comments senselessly modded down into silence. If you ever wonder why you didn't see Trump's victory coming, or why you didn't find out about X government scandal sooner, or why anything else doesn't seem to be going the way you'd expect, it's because you live in a walled garden of ideas, and you haven't been exposed to the marketplace of ideas that is the neutral internet.
Universities are no longer the baron's of free speech they were 30 years ago [1]. Slashdot's self-modding system requires you to have "the right politics" before you're allowed to decide who else has "the right politics". Corporate media... well that one's obvious.
If you want to know what's going on, you must get thee to a free speech zone and expose yourself to unfiltered opposing ideas.
I've been speaking with many many people and they all, to be frank they're not happy, but they all say that this is totally unacceptable.China, their numbers are way down, economic disaster. Amazing. But, China's being very disrespectful with this, I can't believe it myself. They stepped way over the line on this. I've got some of the best people telling me that we have to take action. I mean serious action, you'd be totally amazed at how huge the action we're gonna take on this. Believe me.
China's gonna be sorry. This isn't something our nation will put up with. It's incredible.
#nukem
Well they though that it is a spy drone to track Chinese submarines in the area. Therefore they took it and looked inside. They did not find the drone advanced enough for a detailed study or there was not enough evidence in the drone to support claim that it is designed to spy submarines. Blunder. The drone really can be claimed to be a research device and it is not very advanced. So they return it and try to cover their mistake by complaining that US went public about their stealing.
There were no images. Trump actually tweeted that from his account.
No one needs to make this shit up.
He does it to himself.
Here's a thought. The ocean is very big. How is it that the U.S. Military drone was so close to Chinese operations?
Please help me with this because I obviously don't process information very well.
I don't have cable and tend to only read things like actual historic briefs that are validated by multiple observations so I don't have much time to catch your high quality Fox News for it's unbiased global analysis.
China plans to build "islands" 12 nm apart across the pacific ocean and claim SF as "Chinese land".
Then they could claim any ship going north or south of that line is infringing on their homeland.
Don't fall for it. Manmade islands don't count for a reason.
Subsequent drones should just have their anti-tampering system wired to a bunch of claymores.
I don't for a moment believe that this was as innocuous as the US purports, but then China's actions in the S China Sea are bullshittery of the highest order and need to be directly countered. The US should build an island there, too, PRECISELY like China is.
-Styopa
The US government acts blatantly as if it owns the world. While the US has a right to utilize these international waters for trade going in and conducting military exercises is not the answer to maintaining goods relationships. China would be justified in coming in and blatantly (rather than discretely) doing the same thing along US shores. Look at what happened when the Soviet Union installed nuclear missiles in Cuba. It didn't really make any difference, but it was retaliation for the US doing the same thing over in Europe near the Soviets. We have no good excuse for this.
... the goddam drone had a body cam on it and now we've got photos of the bastards (or bitches, as may apply) who picked it up and face recognition tells us who, in the Chinese government, picks up drones from the ocean.
Next up: NSA does identity theft of Chinese military individuals who pick up drones in a black op.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
I can only imagine how America would react if the Chinese began to surround America with military bases, and launched similar provocations. This behaviour from the United States is a threat to world peace.
Because the islands didn't belong to us, duh. Try to claim Hawaii and build an air strip on it, I think you'll find us similarly upset.
Because, if you managed to read any of TFA on the subject, the Chinese CG ship was shadowing the US vessel in international waters. When the drone surfaced, the Chinese rushed to grab it. It wasn't accidental. They didn't just go 'look at that'! It was a premeditated effort.
They did it to puff out their claim that the region is Chinese territorial waters. Now they will back down, hand the thing back and smirk a bit. Probably thought it was the last chance to do something like this before Trump takes office and tweets the beginning of WW3 over some similar trivial incident.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Here's a thought. The ocean is very big. How is it that the U.S. Military drone was so close to Chinese operations?
The UUV was in international waters near the Philippines, when China seized it.
Here is an analogy: Your kids bike is on the sidewalk in front of a neighbor's house down the block (lets call this neighbor the Philippines). Another neighbor (lets call this neighbor China), who lives across the street from the house your kid is riding the bike in front of, comes over and takes the bike. The bike was on the sidewalk (in international waters), but near the property of the first neighbor (the Philippines). It was across the street from the property of the neighbor (China) who seized it. How do you respond?
This article tells where different phones are made. I don't buy anything that was made in China, unless I have to.
I immediately thought of ARTEMIS, the current autonomous robotic exploration crafty working under the ice shelves in Antarctica. However, I'm sure this drone is far more primitive than whatever finally gets sent off-world.
Yep.
Purely propaganda.
It was a response to Trump's prior bloviation.
Could they be wrong?
Could they both have made it up? Could they have been fooled by some photoshopper?
Yes, but usually it doesn't get reported so widely and quickly. My first instinct was not to assume it was "fake news". It was, "Did he really tweet that?" and I tried to find other sources.
Should I wait for Breitbart to confirm it?
I understand being skeptical but "fake news" will apparently be a constant refrain to deflect anything negative throughout his Presidency.
It was far closer to the Philippines than China. China CLAIMS the water it's in, but no one recognizes the claim except for them and maybe North Korea.
That "unpresidented" was a fabulous dig at Obama!
Re-read it.
Some people are so fixated on seeing Trump as a buffoon, that they cannot see just how thoroughly they and their political heroes were and ARE being trolled by Trump - the guy is a genius.
Your team is in political trouble as long as it keeps imagining that Trump and his supporters are stupid/racist/etc - it keeps you blind to how and why he is so effective, and why and how his supporters never get outraged by all the things you think will cause them to abandon him.
Oh, and technically, what China did (seizure of a US naval vessel in international waters (international law makes no distinction about its manned/unmanned status)) is an act of piracy and by definition an act of war, particularly after they were warned away from it (they cannot pretend to not know it was a US Navy vessel, or pretend they thought they were rescuing it) They clearly thought (apparently correctly) that they could safely do it after both Bush43 and Obama tolerated such actions by multiple countries over the past 16 years. They should tread VERY carefully in such situations after Jan 20th and imagine the US will in the future tolerate it no more than THEY would tolerate the reverse...
The ocean may be huge, but so is the part of it that China claims. Most countries only claim a 200 mile limit.
WTF!? Last I checked Obozo was still president. Trump is just a private citizen.
Want to try again?
Trump is a master at fooling the dim-witted, the lazy, and the racist.
You are quite opinionated yourself making such generalizations about the people supporting President-Elect Donald J. Trump. Would you prefer Hillary Clinton, a presidential candidate who holds low opinions of the electorate and who among other things actively engaged in political sabotage?
"Don't mind all its identical manufactured in china friends.."
Haha. For once, China is being the adult and the US is a childish crybaby. Looking forward to more US shit.
Or made-in-china.com for 1/3 the price of the US version.
They could totally get it wrong, or even just shine it in an objectively wrong light that shapes your opinion. I don't know if it is wrong in this case, but I don't trust corporate media on either side to report accurately anymore.
MSM isn't in trouble because they report negatively against Trump. That's to be expected. They've lost every shred of credibility because of how they so flagrantly censored stories prior to the election. Internet users were forced to rally and flood them with requests to report on things they should have already reported, and then they just reported it real low-key.
They also don't follow basic journalistic standards anymore. They've received extreme criticism from various journalists and publishers, but they don't seem to care because they have a monopoly on the news, the narrative, the opinion of the masses, and they get to decide who's credible and who's not.
I see the fake news really works on you. Fell for an altered screen shot memegurgitation because it fits your narrative. No wonder you're so snarky, if that's how well you gather and process information.
How much does it burn your little butt that it is actually the genuine tweet by Trump, one that had to be deleted and corrected?
If you could handle it being an error, that would be one thing. Being forced to scream it was a fake? In that case, hundreds, even thousands are in on it, either that, or somebody stole his phone in the middle of the night.
I swear, pissants like you will find him repealing the Second Amendment and defending it as not being important to you anyway.
If we found a Chinese drone within a few hundred miles of Los Angeles, you KNOW we would pick it up and turn it into an incident. What they are doing is no different. It's a risk we take deploying drones near other countries.
My dad needs to go over and punch China's dad in the face.
I know in the echo chamber of slashdot the canard about no wmd is taken as gospel, but it really is not true. We know Iraq had them, so did the rest of the world since most of the major countries sold them: US, China, Germany, France, UK, and Russia. This was known at the time and why the war was not stopped. The only real criticism was if it was SMART to go to war over it and destabilize the region, not if they had them.
..... well do the math.
Now, I know urban legends die hard, and that it is fun to Bush bash, so you may not want to believe the history. So, just in case you need more. Here is a link to an article from a major news source that describes how they found the wmd. See, its not generally known because it was released with minimal fanfare, because
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/...
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
This comment sounds like it is very well written Chinese propaganda - an attempt to justify stealing something in international waters. Of course we can only speculate as to what the USA would do if China were off the Californian coast until they are doing "freedom of navigation" exercises that close.
The drone in question was nowhere China, rather the country to which it was the closest was the Philippines.
The drone will likely be returned to the USA in similar condition to the EP-3 back in 2001: minus anything "special".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
Yes I would generalised you to be in the "stupid" category too :)
Totally my right to do so.
Now get off my territorial claim!
Fuck Yeah!
Should have bought that SquareTrade service plan for it right away... thanks, Obama.
Well I think "unpresidented" was probably correct. Trump is still only the incumbent, after all. We should all suspend judgement until he's officially been "presidented".
What a stupid comment.