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China Says It Will Return the Underwater Drone It Seized From the US (thehill.com)
An anonymous reader quotes The Hill:
China said Saturday it will return the unmanned U.S. drone it seized in the South China Sea, calling the issue "hyped up" by the U.S. "Upon confirming that the device was a U.S. underwater drone, the Chinese side decided to transfer it to the U.S. side in an appropriate manner," said the spokesman for the Chinese Defense Ministry, Sr. Col. Yang Yujun, according to CNN. "China and the United States have been communicating about this process. It is inappropriate -- and unhelpful for a resolution -- that the U.S. has unilaterally hyped up the issue. We express our regret over that."
A Defense Ministry spokesman added that China opposes U.S. "surveillance and military surveys in waters facing China...and demands the U.S. cease such activities. China will stay alert over relevant U.S. activities and will take necessary measures to counter them."
A Defense Ministry spokesman added that China opposes U.S. "surveillance and military surveys in waters facing China...and demands the U.S. cease such activities. China will stay alert over relevant U.S. activities and will take necessary measures to counter them."
Trump called Putin and Putin made a few calls.
Happens all the time. In the 70's, a Mig25 landed in Japan, pilot defected with the plane, and "owners manual". Russia was hopping mad and wanted it back, and they did...in a big box ;)
I'm sure the US underwater drone, by the time it is returned will have been photographed, scanned, dismantled
and every ounce of anything copied.
It's how it works.
"It is inappropriate -- and unhelpful for a resolution -- that the U.S. has unilaterally hyped up the issue. We express our regret over that.""
They express regret over the US being upset at their actions. Umm, okay.
-parts photographed
-boards xrayed
-wiring logged
-systems exported to solidworks for analysis
We should have it back to you some time in April.
Signed China
If you read the Chinese news report, the statement says it "seize the unknown object because it posed safety concern to the passing sea traffic". Of course, it is an excuse. But given we use the excuse of "freedom of navigation" to intrude within the 12 nm of their claimed island, it is a fair game.
Yes, Trump has stated on Twitter that this is an 'unpresidented' act.
I, for one, am certain Trump will do all in his power to fully retard this situation backward as humanely plausible.
So we stole a drone and you freak out. I mean, we already stole islands and you did nothing. Why would you care about a drone?
C.A.T. and M.R.I work well for non-metals, even some metals.
China has all the same (or better) tools the West have.
Even the same brands in some cases.
Even tools and supplies under careful export restrictions.
Your estimate of 72 hours is a bit fast.
It takes hours to carefully uTome chips using TeraHz - CAT.
This is because boards tend to be odd shapes.
I see the fake news really works on you. Fell for an altered screen shot memegurgitation because it fits your narrative. No wonder you're so snarky, if that's how well you gather and process information. China's utter lack of concern in grabbing our equipment in the open ocean and giving us and everyone else with an interest in them not taking over the Pacific is 100% on Obama. He'd act more quickly, but he's probably still being weighed down by that Nobel Peace Prize.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
Not sure about that actually being "fake news".
The Guardian is reporting it.
Fox News is reporting it
As are numerous other news outlets, both respectable and not so respectable.
Perhaps you've just assumed it was "fake" or perhaps you're helping to disseminate your own version of "fake news".
Hey, it's not so bad that he messed it up. He can blame auto-correct (although unpresidented is not a word any auto-correct should recognize).
The bigger issue is that he's involving himself in international affords before assuming office.
That is not going to happen, if any he will increase the military that Obama has tried to gut.
You say it's probably not fake news, and then point to two other corporate media outlets that are reporting it.
He did say he wanted to reduce military spending, especially things he considers to be wasteful. In fact just recently he knocked $3.5bn off the value of Lockheed Martin with a single tweet about how their F35 is too expensive, not to mention suggesting Air Force One should be cancelled.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Early next month you'll be able to pick one up on Aliexpress.
Wow, look at all these controversial comments senselessly modded down into silence. If you ever wonder why you didn't see Trump's victory coming, or why you didn't find out about X government scandal sooner, or why anything else doesn't seem to be going the way you'd expect, it's because you live in a walled garden of ideas, and you haven't been exposed to the marketplace of ideas that is the neutral internet.
Universities are no longer the baron's of free speech they were 30 years ago [1]. Slashdot's self-modding system requires you to have "the right politics" before you're allowed to decide who else has "the right politics". Corporate media... well that one's obvious.
If you want to know what's going on, you must get thee to a free speech zone and expose yourself to unfiltered opposing ideas.
Well they though that it is a spy drone to track Chinese submarines in the area. Therefore they took it and looked inside. They did not find the drone advanced enough for a detailed study or there was not enough evidence in the drone to support claim that it is designed to spy submarines. Blunder. The drone really can be claimed to be a research device and it is not very advanced. So they return it and try to cover their mistake by complaining that US went public about their stealing.
There were no images. Trump actually tweeted that from his account.
No one needs to make this shit up.
He does it to himself.
Here's a thought. The ocean is very big. How is it that the U.S. Military drone was so close to Chinese operations?
Please help me with this because I obviously don't process information very well.
I don't have cable and tend to only read things like actual historic briefs that are validated by multiple observations so I don't have much time to catch your high quality Fox News for it's unbiased global analysis.
Subsequent drones should just have their anti-tampering system wired to a bunch of claymores.
I don't for a moment believe that this was as innocuous as the US purports, but then China's actions in the S China Sea are bullshittery of the highest order and need to be directly countered. The US should build an island there, too, PRECISELY like China is.
-Styopa
President Trump Is Likely To Boost U.S. Military Spending By $500 Billion To $1 Trillion
Trump's military will have more troops and more firepower — if he can find more money
Does he want to cut WASTEFUL spending like the Navy weapon that by supplying the projectile will cost more than the gun, or an aircraft that is considered by some as inferior such as the F-35? that a retrofit for an existing aircraft would do. Yes, then he does want to cut WASTEFUL spending.
Donald Trump promises to ‘bomb the hell out of ISIS’ in new radio ad.
That takes more ____ (hint: bombs)
That takes more ____ (hint: soldiers)
That takes more ____ (hint: airplanes)
That takes more ____ (hint: intel)
That takes more ____ (hint: money)
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Citations please!
What would be the point? You might as well "cite" the sage quotations of the guy in the alley down the street whose hobby is inhaling gasoline fumes.
Why doesn't China stay out of the South Sea?
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Because the islands didn't belong to us, duh. Try to claim Hawaii and build an air strip on it, I think you'll find us similarly upset.
Because, if you managed to read any of TFA on the subject, the Chinese CG ship was shadowing the US vessel in international waters. When the drone surfaced, the Chinese rushed to grab it. It wasn't accidental. They didn't just go 'look at that'! It was a premeditated effort.
They did it to puff out their claim that the region is Chinese territorial waters. Now they will back down, hand the thing back and smirk a bit. Probably thought it was the last chance to do something like this before Trump takes office and tweets the beginning of WW3 over some similar trivial incident.
Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
Here's a thought. The ocean is very big. How is it that the U.S. Military drone was so close to Chinese operations?
The UUV was in international waters near the Philippines, when China seized it.
Here is an analogy: Your kids bike is on the sidewalk in front of a neighbor's house down the block (lets call this neighbor the Philippines). Another neighbor (lets call this neighbor China), who lives across the street from the house your kid is riding the bike in front of, comes over and takes the bike. The bike was on the sidewalk (in international waters), but near the property of the first neighbor (the Philippines). It was across the street from the property of the neighbor (China) who seized it. How do you respond?
I immediately thought of ARTEMIS, the current autonomous robotic exploration crafty working under the ice shelves in Antarctica. However, I'm sure this drone is far more primitive than whatever finally gets sent off-world.
Yep.
Purely propaganda.
It was a response to Trump's prior bloviation.
Could they be wrong?
Could they both have made it up? Could they have been fooled by some photoshopper?
Yes, but usually it doesn't get reported so widely and quickly. My first instinct was not to assume it was "fake news". It was, "Did he really tweet that?" and I tried to find other sources.
Should I wait for Breitbart to confirm it?
I understand being skeptical but "fake news" will apparently be a constant refrain to deflect anything negative throughout his Presidency.
It was far closer to the Philippines than China. China CLAIMS the water it's in, but no one recognizes the claim except for them and maybe North Korea.
He's going to increase the size of the military. He wants more ships than the navy wants and wants to increase the size of the Air Force and Army too. Granted he's talked about cutting waste, which would be great, but he's probably not going to end up cutting funding.
The ocean may be huge, but so is the part of it that China claims. Most countries only claim a 200 mile limit.
Obama has done nothing to limit military spending. The Republicans refusing to pass his budget is the only real limiting factor. Once Trump starts a war with China you can expect military spending to triple.
So in other words, the statement of Trump wanting to cut military spending is nothing but BS. I agree.
"Don't mind all its identical manufactured in china friends.."
Or made-in-china.com for 1/3 the price of the US version.
No, the point is, if you don't like something Trump says, just wait a few days and he'll say something completely different.
The same advice applies if you do like something he says.
He's a Theoden in search of a Wormtongue.
They could totally get it wrong, or even just shine it in an objectively wrong light that shapes your opinion. I don't know if it is wrong in this case, but I don't trust corporate media on either side to report accurately anymore.
MSM isn't in trouble because they report negatively against Trump. That's to be expected. They've lost every shred of credibility because of how they so flagrantly censored stories prior to the election. Internet users were forced to rally and flood them with requests to report on things they should have already reported, and then they just reported it real low-key.
They also don't follow basic journalistic standards anymore. They've received extreme criticism from various journalists and publishers, but they don't seem to care because they have a monopoly on the news, the narrative, the opinion of the masses, and they get to decide who's credible and who's not.
If we found a Chinese drone within a few hundred miles of Los Angeles, you KNOW we would pick it up and turn it into an incident. What they are doing is no different. It's a risk we take deploying drones near other countries.
News flash, china has been doing that since at least the 70s.
International waters are international waters for a lot of reasons, and any member of the world can insist that international waters remain international waters and piracy (theft at sea of ships or equipment) be stopped.
China doesn't care that those are recognized international waters and is trying to take them over and make them chinas personal swimming pool, screwing over everyone there, including the other countries who's waters they are trying to steal.
So since when has the US been surrounding china with military bases and stolen chinese property?
No, seriously, list them.
So the US insisting upon the return of their stolen unmanned vehicle for measuring oceanic conditions that was stolen in an act of piracy from international waters is a threat to world peace? How so? Please explain.
Also, please note that it can be argued that international laws would have allowed them to fire on the pirates for their acts of piracy. (ianal)
Is that what you think would be an appropriate response that wouldn't threaten world peace? Shooting instead of talking? If so, please explain how someone from Bizzarro World ended up on this planet. (For further references on Bizzarro World, please see Superman & DC comics.)
So how is china being adult? This is the equivalent of seeing someone else playing with a toy in the park across the street from your house. Following them around for a while, then as they go to pick up their toys, you run up and steal one of them and run home. And now when the kid you stole it from yells about that jerk that stole his toy, you agree to return it because they're making such a fuss about it, while completely ignore that you STOLE it from them.
I know in the echo chamber of slashdot the canard about no wmd is taken as gospel, but it really is not true. We know Iraq had them, so did the rest of the world since most of the major countries sold them: US, China, Germany, France, UK, and Russia. This was known at the time and why the war was not stopped. The only real criticism was if it was SMART to go to war over it and destabilize the region, not if they had them.
..... well do the math.
Now, I know urban legends die hard, and that it is fun to Bush bash, so you may not want to believe the history. So, just in case you need more. Here is a link to an article from a major news source that describes how they found the wmd. See, its not generally known because it was released with minimal fanfare, because
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/...
"Liberalism is a very noble idea, currently controlled by some very bad people. Be sure you do not get the two confused.
This comment sounds like it is very well written Chinese propaganda - an attempt to justify stealing something in international waters. Of course we can only speculate as to what the USA would do if China were off the Californian coast until they are doing "freedom of navigation" exercises that close.
The drone in question was nowhere China, rather the country to which it was the closest was the Philippines.
The drone will likely be returned to the USA in similar condition to the EP-3 back in 2001: minus anything "special".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hainan_Island_incident
Should have bought that SquareTrade service plan for it right away... thanks, Obama.
The "geopolitics" is that international waters are free to sail for everyone.
Ezekiel 23:20
I was responding to the laughably absurd comment subject, if you haven't noticed.
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