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The Farmer Who Built Her Own Broadband (bbc.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a BBC article: "I'm just a farmer's wife," says Christine Conder, modestly. But for 2,300 members of the rural communities of Lancashire she is also a revolutionary internet pioneer. Her DIY solution to a neighbour's internet connectivity problems in 2009 has evolved into B4RN, an internet service provider offering fast one gigabit per second broadband speeds to the parishes which nestle in the picturesque Lune Valley. That is 35 times faster than the 28.9 Mbps average UK speed internet connection according to Ofcom. It all began when the trees which separated Chris's neighbouring farm from its nearest wireless mast -- their only connection to the internet, provided by Lancaster University -- grew too tall. Something more robust was required, and no alternatives were available in the area, so Chris decided to take matters into her own hands. She purchased a kilometre of fibre-optic cable and commandeered her farm tractor to dig a trench. After lighting the cable, the two farms were connected, with hers feeding the one behind the trees. "We dug it ourselves and we lit [the cable] ourselves and we proved that ordinary people could do it," she says. "It wasn't rocket science. It was three days of hard work."

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  1. And if you tried this in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You would be arrested and thrown in jail for endangering the livelihood of some mega corp.

    1. Re:And if you tried this in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The cable or phone company would come after you for violating the terms of service. Or it would be too expensive to get the service and start a small ISP here. Even if it was possible, it would be tough to find enough neighbors that would be willing to try a small ISP anymore.

    2. Re:And if you tried this in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      So your saying Tennessee Republican attorney general Herbert H. Slatery III didnt sue the FCC over the ruling that allowed local internet service providers?

      http://money.cnn.com/2015/03/25/technology/tennessee-fcc-internet/

      Or that states dont have laws preventing local internet service providers?

      https://consumerist.com/2016/08/10/appeals-court-municipal-internet-is-great-but-states-can-still-restrict-access/

    3. Re:And if you tried this in America by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No you wouldn't. In a related note, hyperbole is universal. Maybe what you meant is that they wouldn't let you connect it? And who is they? The US is pretty big. Your ability to do your own last mile varies based on where you are. Americans often don't seem to know or even appreciate that different parts of America are different.

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    4. Re:And if you tried this in America by darkain · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Very much this! I've personally looked into doing this in my neighborhood. For what ever reason, getting "business" gigabit internet where I live is in the range of $3000-10000/mo. But for what ever reason, the EXACT same company can provide "residential" gigabit internet for only $79/mo. It is literally the same wires going to the same data center in town. The only difference is the terms of service.

    5. Re:And if you tried this in America by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 5, Informative

      You would be arrested and thrown in jail for endangering the livelihood of some mega corp.

      Correct, this could never happen in the US. Definitely, never in a million years.

      Or, you could JFDI.

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    6. Re:And if you tried this in America by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Informative

      In this case note that they had to connect a local university network. The main broadband providers in the UK, basically BT and in some areas Virgin, won't supply service to people who lay their own fibre. I know because I asked. Their green boxes, where their fibre terminates and they go back to shitty old copper, are fairly close to my house. Even if I lay in fibre to the cabinet myself, they won't allow it to be connected.

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    7. Re:And if you tried this in America by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      You are paying for the ratio of users to data capacity. The ISP has a uplink to the rest of the internet at a fixed capacity (T5 link = 480 Mbps), which is then shared out between customers. Business customers get exclusive use of their share, but have to pay the full cost. Residential customers get a discount because not everyone is using the internet at the same time, so the ISP can have 2 or more customers "sharing" capacity because not everyone is reading Email or web surfing at the same time. The more sharing, the more the cost is spread out. If the ISP has a monopoly, that's a bonus.

    8. Re:And if you tried this in America by mrbester · · Score: 2

      They refused because even if you are a qualified and registered telecommunications installer, you're replacing their cable and they still have to have their PCIs to verify that you did it right. They'll do it for large installations, such as for a building where it connects to their network, for a hefty fee, but it's too much hassle for them to give permission to screw around in a box they own and have an engineer come out and check your work. Remember how long it took for third (major) parties to be able to install DSLAM as part of unbundling. They aren't about to allow AmiMoJo's Phone Services Ltd anywhere near their stuff.

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    9. Re:And if you tried this in America by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Oh, I offered to pay to have them terminate and plug the cable in and all that. I just offered to lay it, which is apparently the expensive bit that they don't want to do.

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    10. Re:And if you tried this in America by Bigbutt · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now now, this is all Main Stream Media and fake news. Got anything from breitbart or infowars? :-/

      [John]

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    11. Re:And if you tried this in America by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But you need to even it out, find out what RT and Al Jazeera have to say about the subject.

      News is dead. What you can get is opinion. Try to get opinion from both sides and you might end up with something that could allow you to make up your mind. It's not exactly an informed decision you'd be making, but at least one that you're making yourself.

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    12. Re:And if you tried this in America by Opportunist · · Score: 3

      Residential customers get a discount because not everyone is using the internet at the same time [...]

      That's bullshit, and everyone who has to "share" his bandwidth knows it. Over here you can get "up to" bandwidths, which means that you're clinging to some cable that you share with others. What this essentially means is that you take the maximum bandwidth the cable allows, divide by the number of subscribers you share it with and that's what you can reasonably expect from your cable.

      And no, we're not talking about people leeching bittorrent dry. We're talking about Mom and Pop Randomsurfer. With webpages bloating from more and more bandwidth-swallowing ads and everyone and their dog watching videos on YouTube and using Netflix instead of TV, everyone is using as much bandwidth as they possibly can.

      So please spare us that "but we can oversell because customers don't use that much in reality" bullshit. Yes, you oversell like crazy, but actually your bandwidth is well saturated outside the 1 to 6am time slot when everyone's sleeping.

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    13. Re:And if you tried this in America by Bengie · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Close but not quite. Residential customers get a discount because residential users as a group have a different bandwidth profile. It's not even just this simple. ISPs costs are typically based on peak usage, which is driven by residential customers. Bandwidth used outside of normal residential peak hours is virtually free. Around here, businesses actually pay the same residential users for the same service.

      Key words there, "same service". My ISP makes no real distinction between business and residential. Both can get static IP blocks for cheap, uncapped dedicated bandwidth, individual strands of fiber back to the CO. If you want an SLA, prepare to pay through the nose.

    14. Re: And if you tried this in America by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You're thinking is is almost right. The infrastructure is where the problem actually lies. What is needed is a way to avoid the last mile issue being the monopoly /oligarchy model that we've been running for the last 30+ years or so. Stop viewing the last mile as a "Franchise agreement" and start treating it like a road, where anyone can deliver the packages (FedEx, UPS, USPS ...).

      My solution is municipal owned Fiber Plant, brought back to a COLO facility where you have the choice of providers to bring content/services to the end user, and let the competition happen there.

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  2. Where's a telco when you need one? by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 4, Funny

    I mean, really, someone has to put a stop to this sort of thing, or next thing you know everyone will be doing it and then where will the monopolies and the billionaires be?

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    1. Re:Where's a telco when you need one? by blindseer · · Score: 2

      I mean, really, someone has to put a stop to this sort of thing, or next thing you know everyone will be doing it and then where will the monopolies and the billionaires be?

      Out on their tractors listening to their favorite music being streamed to them over the internet?

      Reminds me of an old joke, do you know the definition of a farmer? A man out standing in his field.

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    2. Re:Where's a telco when you need one? by buss_error · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Reminds me of a joke about farmers:
      What's the fastest way to become a agribusiness millionaire?
      Start as an agribusiness billionaire.

      Internet isn't the only choke hold business has on Americans. Some seed providers (who shall remain un-named by me, as I'm no fool and I don't want any more torts from that company) sues it's own customers, and even farmers that never used their seed. If a single seed blows over from another field and sprouts in your field, this company can (and does) sue the farmer down to his toenail lint. Then turns around and transfers the property to it's own farming conglomerate. Doesn't matter if they win, because in the long run that farmer they sued will likely end up bankrupt from the tort.

      Same thing is going on with chicken and hogs. You can't raise your own stock anymore, you have to buy it from the packers, buy the feed they demand from distributors they specify, then once mature, sell it to only the packer that you bought the livestock from, all at prices the conglomerate sets.

      If a farmer or rancher doesn't want to work that way, they are left with finding their own stock in a market that is all but dried up, and hope to sell on the spot export market because they won't be able to sell to national chains in the US.

      Now, let's turn to our President Elect - will he do something about these inequalities? Doubtful. While he doesn't engage in agribusiness himself, I seriously doubt a serial bankrupter and contract violator will welcome any sort of increased oversight or reform.

      I'd like to be wrong on that though.

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    3. Re:Where's a telco when you need one? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 3, Informative

      If a single seed blows over from another field and sprouts in your field, this company can (and does) sue the farmer down to his toenail lint.

      Not true. This accusation has been made many times and in many places. It is a myth, and has been repeatedly debunked. Monsanto has never sued anyone for unintentional cross fertilization. The myth first started with the wildly inaccurate "documentary" David vs Monsanto.

      Monsanto has sued for deliberate and repeated cross fertilization. The most famous defendant was Percy Schmeiser. He was warned several times, and openly admitted that he had isolated, copied, and benefited from the patented Monsanto gene, but claimed he had a right to do so. Several of his co-workers and neighbors testified against him.

    4. Re:Where's a telco when you need one? by spiritplumber · · Score: 2

      When they tried that shit in Italy, they got countersued by the farmers for contamination. Who do you think the judges sided with, a foreign company, or people who had been owning their farms since medieval times?

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    5. Re: Where's a telco when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      You must be a stockholder, since your claims are false, they can and do regularity sue for as little as 1% cross polenation:

      http://www.cbsnews.com/news/agricultural-giant-battles-small-farmers/

      http://naturalsociety.com/monsanto-sued-farmers-16-years-gmos-never-lost/

      https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2016/01/04/gmo-patent-controversy-3-monsanto-sue-farmers-inadvertent-gmo-contamination/

      http://www.fooddemocracynow.org/blog/2014/sep/6/monsanto_has_sued_farmers_16_years_never_lost_case

    6. Re: Where's a telco when you need one? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Good job! None of those links support your statement that Monsanto sues farmers "for as little as 1% cross polenation [sic]."

      In fact, one link says the exact opposite. From the Genetic Literacy Project link:

      "To conclude this series, I have found no evidence that farmers are sued by Monsanto for inadvertent contamination. The lawsuits that I examined were for cases where farmers knowingly and admittedly used Monsanto seeds without licensing contracts. The fact that seeds are patented is not exclusive to GMOs: as outlined in the first post, many other traditionally bred seeds are patented. For some seeds, both genetically engineered and traditionally bred, farmers sign annual contracts with seed developers. However, farmers have many choices and in no way are forced to plant these seeds or sign these contracts."

    7. Re:Where's a telco when you need one? by Solandri · · Score: 5, Interesting
      Have you actually read the Canadian Supreme Court decision against Schmeiser? It's a complete repudiation of all of Monsanto's claims except for their claim of patent ownership of the seed. And that claim was later disproven.
      • The lower court judgement against Schmeiser was reduced to just $1. Why? Because (and the Monsanto apologists never tell you this) Schmeiser never used Round-Up on his crops. He only used Round-Up to kill weeds in the gulleys between his crops and the road. Never on his crops. As such, there was no way for him to benefit from using Monsanto's patented gene (and in fact no incentive for him to steal it).
      • He "acquired" the seed when he noticed that some stray canola which was growing in the gulleys survived his anti-weed spraying of Round-Up. Since his canola crop was not Round-Up-Ready, the only way the Round-Up-resistant canola could've gotten there is by falling off a passing truck (the explanation the Court decided was correct), or via natural cross-pollination of his crop with a neighbor's Round-Up-Ready crop (the explanation Schmeiser gave for his behavior).
      • The Court decided for Monsanto (5 to 4) because Monsanto claimed it was impossible for the gene to spread by natural cross-pollination as Schmeiser claimed. The Court took Monsanto at their word and decided in their favor because Schmeiser "ought to have known" that any canola which survived spraying with Round-Up was Monsanto's patented seed, not the result of natural cross-pollination.
      • Monsanto's argument was disproven a decade later when researchers found the Round-Up-Ready gene could spread to weeds via cross-pollination. Basically, Schmeiser was right and Monsanto was wrong. The gene could spread through cross-pollination, meaning the Round-Up resistant canola he found next to his fields may very well have been the result of natural cross-pollination, and not Monsanto's patented seed. And the only reason the Canadian Supreme Court decided in Monsanto's favor was erroneous.
    8. Re:Where's a telco when you need one? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Monsanto is one of the world's great evils for a variety of reasons, and their toxic debt will never be paid. But so far I haven't seen any record of them suing anyone who didn't turn out to deliberately harvest and re-use "their" seeds.

      Mind you, I think the whole idea is horrible, and you should be able to re-plant anything from seed that you want. Once you buy a seed, the seed and any plant coming from it should be yours. The legal system is twisted beyond any semblance of serving the people. But I still haven't seen what you've claimed.

      If you have a citation, I'd like to see it, because I'd like to wield it.

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    9. Re:Where's a telco when you need one? by dywolf · · Score: 2

      Yes, lets just ignore that each of his attempts were quashed by agribusiness's lackeys in the GOP controlled House.
      the same lackeys who now face a willing rubber stamp puppet in the oval office.

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  3. Re:It does take a PhD though... by blindseer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would a few lines from "Firefly" be out of order?

    Dr. Simon Tam: River, b- uh, be careful with that, that's, um... What is that?
    Kaylee Frye: That's a post holer. You dig holes. For posts.
    Dr. Simon Tam: It's, uh, it's dirty and sharp.

    Many people are just afraid of things that are dirty and sharp so they leave that to other people. Turns out if the other people are uninterested, either because they are also afraid of things that are dirty and sharp, or they see no profit in it, then things don't get done. Civilization was built by those that wanted to make their lives better and weren't afraid to do the work themselves. A lot of times that means working with tools that are dirty and sharp.

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  4. Free enterprise used to be legal in 1910 by Tokolosh · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the Twentieth Century Magazine, Vol II, 1910

    CO-OPERATIVE VERSUS COMPETITIVE TELEPHONES

    A VALUED friend, Mr. Arthur E. Harris, of Boston, has kindly given us the following impressive illustration of the difference between a public utility controlled by a modern commercial corporation, and the same monopoly under co-operation. In the one instance we have avarice as the master spirit actuating the promoters, huge dividends for the favored few and poor service for the people being the result. In the other case we have a fine illustration of fraternalism in business, in which the interest and benefit of the people is the first concernâ€"something that should ever be insisted upon in a government that pretends to represent the rule and interests of the people.

    "Some twelve or more years ago," says Mr. Harris, "in the town of Mercer, Maine, where I was born, and where my father still lives, a telephone system was installed among the farmers as a branch of the New England Telephone Company. Stock was sold and the rent for an instrument and the use of the line was fixed at $10 per year.

    "Several of our neighbors bought some of the stock and took great delight in boasting to the less fortunate in the neighborhood that it was paying 18 per cent dividends.

    "But they were not satisfied with making that profit by the exploitation of their neighbors and began to talk of raising the rental fee.

    "The promoter, a man from an adjoining town who had the line put in and who was a member of the trust, was overheard to say: 'We've got to get this up to $15 before we quit.' ' But,' he was asked, 'will the people stand for it?' 'Of course they will. They like it and can't get along without it. We've got themâ€"now squeeze them.'

    "Well, in the country money does not come easily and some, including my father, felt that they could not afford to pay any more, much as they wanted to keep the telephones.

    "They talked it over and an indignation meeting was called.

    "There were two Socialists present, who organized the farmers and put in an independent line upon a Socialist basis - for use, not for profits.

    "Each member contributed $25 in money, material or labor, and received an instrument which he owned, and was entited to one vote at all business meetings.

    "This amount ($25) from each member of the organization paid all the expense of putting in the new line and left something in the treasury. It was a success in every way and has been running about ten years and costs less than $2 per member each year to maintain it.

    "They bought instruments that were much better than those put in by the trust - in fact, two-fifths better.

    "In the place of six, as with the trust line, 20 could now talk without the use of the switch, and could hear better than the six could with the trust line because of the superiority of the instruments.

    "There are no restrictions upon its use and all are satisfied and contented; whereas with the trust line they were kept in a state of irritation by the mean acts of the managers, who were always on the watch for every penny they could grind out. If company - a visitor or a friend - was heard talking, the question promptly came from central 'Who's that talking?' 'Well, collect ten cents.' Their methods and purpose were like those of all big corporations and trusts - their motto, 'First profits, last use'; or, in other words, the maximum profits for the minimum service.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=v0fZAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PR4&ots=puFXQk-1BD&dq=twentieth%20century%20magazine%201910%20competitive%20telephones&pg=PA364#v=onepage&q&f=true

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    1. Re:Free enterprise used to be legal in 1910 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is one of the most tragic truths in American history. Anything moderately left-leaning instantly became the devil in American society. The result is Big Business controlled policy and economy that is directly and indirectly responsible for the losses of millions of lives that continues to this day.

    2. Re:Free enterprise used to be legal in 1910 by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      More accurately: When the competing empire at the time decided to use Communism in its marketing.

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  5. Re:This is interesting but.. by blindseer · · Score: 2

    Also, if you become profitable, well a company like AT&Fee can come in and undercut you, stealing all your hard earned customers. One could try 2 or 3 year commitments, but that will scare off many.

    I'm sure a lot of people would not consider that a bad thing. They want internet and are willing to pay for it. If AT&T at first says that there is no profit in running a line but someone else comes along and proves them wrong then we now have competition. There desire was not to get in the internet business but to get people internet. If AT&T comes along to do better, or buy them out, then the problem was solved.

    Competition is good, no? It's not like these people didn't have any internet access, they just didn't like how slow and expensive it was. These people created their own internet to compete with satellite, dial-up, and cellular internet. They were able to do so with lower (or at least comparable) prices, faster speeds, and no data caps (or much higher ones).

    This is how business should be done, allow people to go out and compete in the market. All too often though we see people that, instead of trying to do better in business, lobby the government for price controls, government should require that businesses need to offer services to people where there might not be a profit, etc. They see the force of the government, rather than the invisible hand of the free market, as the best means of bringing products and services to market.

    Part of a free market is that businesses should be free to fail.

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  6. Re:Entrepreneurship by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 2

    There's been multiple examples of people deploying their own connectivity solution and starting local broadband services.

    It was like that in the early days of the Internet, too. I recall one of the first ISPs in Silicon Valley was a guy with a bunch of equipment in his spare bedroom.

    Instead of actual 19" "relay racks" to hold the rack-mount electronics, he built a frame out of two-by-fours, spaced appropriately, and used wood screws to hold the equipment to the frame. Worked like a charm.

    I used to call them "Mom and PoPs". ("PoP" = "Point of Presence" - the local place where the wires/fibers/etc. run to and hook up to the networking equipment.)

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  7. Re:This is interesting but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Also, if you become profitable, well a company like AT&Fee can come in and undercut you, stealing all your hard earned customers. One could try 2 or 3 year commitments, but that will scare off many.

    I'm sure a lot of people would not consider that a bad thing. They want internet and are willing to pay for it. If AT&T at first says that there is no profit in running a line but someone else comes along and proves them wrong then we now have competition. There desire was not to get in the internet business but to get people internet. If AT&T comes along to do better, or buy them out, then the problem was solved.

    Competition is good, no? It's not like these people didn't have any internet access, they just didn't like how slow and expensive it was. These people created their own internet to compete with satellite, dial-up, and cellular internet. They were able to do so with lower (or at least comparable) prices, faster speeds, and no data caps (or much higher ones).

    This is how business should be done, allow people to go out and compete in the market. All too often though we see people that, instead of trying to do better in business, lobby the government for price controls, government should require that businesses need to offer services to people where there might not be a profit, etc. They see the force of the government, rather than the invisible hand of the free market, as the best means of bringing products and services to market.

    Part of a free market is that businesses should be free to fail.

    The problem is the competition can be unfair. If a big company wishes to kill a smaller company they can either buy them, or simply reduce prices until they are dead, then jack them back up, effectively bankrupting the people who did the hard work. They could then, if it was useful buy any infrastructure that was left for pennies on the dollar. A variation on the above it to value add things like free data from their partners video streaming company, and, well the little guy can't even begin to compete.

    What I proposed previously was for the last mile (or whatever) to be intelligently managed by a co-op, possibly bidding out the work, and for people to be able to choose their providers from whatever the central offices had for all their various data services. Basically it is not practical for everyone to lay their own fiber, the same way it is not practical for everyone to lay their own electricity lines across a city.

  8. Re:That might work somewhere rural... by plopez · · Score: 2

    It's not really laws blocking you but apathy

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  9. Three year old dupe :) by ChoGGi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Thought this story sounded familiar
    https://tech.slashdot.org/stor...

  10. Re:It does take a PhD though... by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For some reason we have the idea that farmers today are some dumb hicks. While modern farming is very advanced. They had self driving tractors for decades. They use big data to help analyze weather and crops. Robotic cow milking... I am a Tech worker and I don't have nearly as much technology to play with than what most farmers have.
    Hey look at that web form I made on your phone see how much more sufficated and advanced we are over our rural neighbors. In many ways our city life in terms of technology skills are behind the farming life. Who needs advanced technology to survive and keep up. While in the cities we can still operating with faxing or just giving a letter to a carrier to send to the next office.

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  11. Residential uses it 0.001% of the time by raymorris · · Score: 2

    When a residential user reads Slashdot over a gigabit connection, here's what happens:

    1) The browser requests the 150KB web page.
    2) At 1Gbps, that 150KB is transferred in 0.00015 seconds.
    3) The user reads the page for 15 seconds.
    4) GOTO 1 for next web page.

    So it's 0.00015 seconds using the connection to fetch a page, 15 seconds looking at the page, 0.00015 loading, 15 seconds reading. You're actually using the connection only 0.001% of the time. During the 99.999% of the time that you're not loading a page, 10,000 of your neighbors are loading their pages. So you can pay a very small percentage of the cost to build and maintain the infrastructure, plus the cost of having you as a customer - costs to send an installer out initially, cost to print and mail your bill each month, etc.

    On the other end, Slashdot has their server connected to a business class connection. It's usage pattern is much different:

    You load the page (0.00015 seconds)
    I load the page (0.00015 seconds)
    APK loads the page (0.00015 seconds)
    Beau HD loads the page (0.00015 seconds)

    The usage is pretty much constant. The capacity isn't divided between 10,000 users, so the cost isn't divided between 10,000 users.

    I buy both kinds of connections. At home, I browse Slashdot just like you do, using a high-speed connection for a fraction of a second to load the page. At my data center, I pay $65/Mbps and use it constantly, serving web pages to hundreds of thousands of people.

    Neither type of connection is "good" or "bad", they are different types of service useful for different things.

  12. Re:Competing with city hall by dryeo · · Score: 2

    Privatizing natural monopolies never works out cheaper then public. How do you have competition in laying pipes? Government gets the cheapest interest rates on loans and does not have to show a profit beyond a contingency fund and enough for future expansion.
    Even when the privatized infrastructure doesn't result in cost hikes, there is still the problem of the people losing control of the future of their local infrastructure.

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  13. Re:Competing with city hall by mi · · Score: 2

    Privatizing natural monopolies

    "Natural monopoly" is a myth.

    How do you have competition in laying pipes?

    This often-asked question has a simple answer — by laying them side by side. The cost of the process is, actually, a small fraction of the overall cost of maintaining the infrastructure.

    there is still the problem of the people losing control of the future of their local infrastructure

    OMG, "people losing control"? Are you not afraid of losing control of your area's supermarkets? There is no argument for government controlling the water, gas, or electricity distribution, that would not also apply to distribution of food (and clothing), as well as, say, construction of homes. Should all of those be socialized too?

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    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.