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Verizon and AT&T Prepare to Bring 5G To (Select) Markets In 2017 (ieee.org)

An anonymous reader quotes IEEE Spectrum: This year, Verizon and AT&T plan to deliver broadband internet to select homes or businesses using fixed wireless networks built with early 5G technologies. These 5G pilot programs will give the public its first glimpse into a wireless future that isn't due to fully arrive until the early 2020s. With 5G, carriers hope to deliver data to smartphone users at speeds 10 times as fast as on today's 4G networks, and with only 1 millisecond of delay... Over the past year, companies have completed a flurry of lab tests and trials to figure out what types of radios, antennas, and signal processing techniques will work best to deliver 5G in hopes of bringing those technologies and their capabilities to market as soon as possible.
The article notes that standards groups are halfway through their eight-year process of finalizing technical specifications (set to finish in 2020), but "With so much cash on the line, and facing pressure from data-hungry customers, carriers are moving fast." In Japan, NTT Docomo has even tested dozens of programmable antennas simultaneously transmitting signals, resulting in transmissions at 20 gigabits per second. "At that speed, a complete 2-hour, 1080p, high-definition movie can be transmitted in a second and a half."

53 comments

  1. cue whining about data caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dude! At those speeds mah cap gonna be blown in like two seconds bro.

    1. Re:cue whining about data caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Data caps are so incredibly easy to bypass, I don't even remember what a data cap is. Let's see, I've used 1.68GB out of...I don't even know.

      Data usage is not available at this time. Please try later.

      Manage your account at My Verizon

      What account? lol

    2. Re:cue whining about data caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sha i know right, its like being with your mom

    3. Re:cue whining about data caps by itsenrique · · Score: 1

      Cool story bro.

    4. Re: cue whining about data caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not our fault you can only last 2 seconds.

    5. Re:cue whining about data caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see, I've used 1.68GB out of...I don't even know.

      Gigabytes? I use about a Terabyte most months, and don't even come close to my monthly limit.

    6. Re:cue whining about data caps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Data usage is not available" means the limit should be zero bytes. 1.68 billion bytes is a lot bigger than zero bytes, but you'd rather have a dick-waving contest about "my monthly limit." Dense moron.

  2. Metered Cell Service by zifn4b · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I imagine Verizon in particular plans to deliver 5G service for 10x faster cell service so you'll hit your data cap that much more quickly. Not interested. On the other hand, if cell service could become more competitive with broadband internet and better consumer devices were available to connect your home devices up to it without additional expense, I might be interested. I don't find it valuable enough to be able to watch Netflix anywhere on any device to pay a premium price. I'll just go home and watch it on my HD TV and 7.1 surround sound system.

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    1. Re:Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No this is fixed point wireless. Not mobile. Don't people read

    2. Re:Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too busy bragging about their huge screens.

    3. Re:Metered Cell Service by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      I don't find it valuable enough to be able to watch Netflix anywhere on any device to pay a premium price.

      As TFA says, these are fixed wireless installs. This technology is not actually relevant to Netflix "anywhere" unless you define "anywhere" as in or near your house or automobile; as TFA also points out, both Verizon and AT&T's projects are going to use millimeter-wave. These frequencies do not penetrate walls well, so they are really useful only for two purposes: fixed installs, and vehicle installs. Even vehicle installs with 5G will be of questionable value in cities as you drive in and out of radio shadows, but it's possible that with enough microcells, you could provide adequate coverage there as well.

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    4. Re:Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see where OP was bragging about his screen size. Can't you read?

    5. Re:Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine Verizon in particular plans to deliver 5G service for 10x faster cell service so you'll hit your data cap that much more quickly.

      The monetization issue is interesting, particularly with the new forms of connection like p2p on mobile and m2x on the roads and facilities. Also the latency promises might be oversold by the press, with the 5G protocol envelope providing low enough latency for critical system and high bandwidth with different protocols tailored for different use cases.

    6. Re:Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      watch it on my HD TV

    7. Re:Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Sprint will give you unlimited 5G, but all of your videos will still be in 480p, and if you use more than 20GB in a month they'll throtlle you back to 3G or lower speeds.

    8. Re:Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. I still see no mention of screen size, just resolution.

    9. Re:Metered Cell Service by unixisc · · Score: 1

      No this is fixed point wireless. Not mobile. Don't people read

      So people would need to buy a service - above and beyond their data plan - to realize such speeds at home? Why, when someone w/ their Charter or Comcast (ugh) connection can access whatever they need via WiFi? Right now, the main bottleneck is mobile bandwidth

      Also, does 5G on the mobile wireless imply that all calls would be data only, and not voice/data like it is now?

    10. Re:Metered Cell Service by zifn4b · · Score: 1

      No this is fixed point wireless. Not mobile. Don't people read

      It doesn't matter. Whether it's a cable modem, dialup, wireless fixed or not fixed, it's a communication channel to access resources on the internet. Even though there are different technologies the companies and their technologies are in competition with each other and Verizon and AT&T have a history of not being competitive with any of their offerings trying to convince people that new cool this and that are worth a premium price and they clearly are not and there is no demand in the market for it. Free markets are about being competitive. Jump in, get wet.

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    11. Re:Metered Cell Service by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      I find it valuable not waiting on my device. In the change from HSDPA to LTE to LTE-A I don't hit my data cap any faster, I don't download any more. I also spend far less staring at loading screens on my phone. There's more to high speed than just streaming 4K of garbage.

    12. Re:Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      5G isn't a specific wireless standard, as the original 'G's were. 5G encompasses every possible means of connecting a device to another. Not only is it about faster connections, but ultra low latency, and also high security, with a big emphasis on machine to machine.

    13. Re: Metered Cell Service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't get throttled at all with the Sprint plan

  3. Happw New Year to all! by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    Gloriously offtopic, but who cares.

    Health, wealth and harmony in your personal and professional lives to all.
    Even those of you not using BSD.

    1. Re:Happw New Year to all! by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Happy new year, fellow BSD user. And everyone else here

  4. Yeah baby! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    5G capped at 2GB use @ $60/m YES!!!

    BUY BUY BUY!!!

    1. Re: Yeah baby! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have a data plan from 2011?

  5. You mean a CATRS movie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That would be a 1080p High Definition CATRS movie (Compressed All To Rat Shit). CHRS (Compressed Half To Rat Shit) would take 8 seconds or so (assuming 1 customer per cell site). A real 1080p High Definition would take about 20 seconds assuming 1 customer per cell tower.

    Of course, most consumer devices would explode if asked to sink a 20 gig data flow.

  6. Please write useful comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hello there,

    Slashdot's readers, I assume are all mature and old at the same time. Even, 97% of you are already elderly. Please write useful comments. Do not trolling. Do not use Anonymous Coward. Use your real name. Make Slashdot great again!

    1. Re:Please write useful comment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AT&T is a fat Southern Belle who ate most of her children but Verizon escaped.

  7. Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "With 5G, carriers hope to deliver data to smartphone users at speeds 10 times as fast as on today's 4G networks, and with only 1 millisecond of delay... "

    10 time 0 is still 0.

  8. Anything to avoid FTTH by grumling · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yet another bridge tech to keep from having to run fiber to the home. Cable companies are almost to the point where passive coax makes sense everywhere (Comcast will be deploying "fiber deep" tech in their network over the next 2-4 years). VZW again attempting to dump their copper pair network, this time for wireless. No idea what AT&T is up to with Uverse these days, but I think they're continuing to push RDSLAMs out closer to the customers. Any new build developments above a certain number of homes will be fiber to the home for every ISP thanks to joint open trenching, but all that legacy stuff is too expensive to dig up. The good news is that fiber continues to get cheaper.

    Verizon was on the right track with FIOS, but unfortunately not enough customers bought into the tech to make it profitable in the timeline they wanted. This is the fundamental problem with very large national ISPs, they cannot scale out the last mile without sinking billions into the network, but because people don't necessarily understand what increased bandwidth means (and yes, lack of competition), there's little business at risk for doing nothing. So once again when the new bandwidth hog hits the network the ISPs are woefully unprepared.

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    1. Re:Anything to avoid FTTH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Verizon was on the right track with FIOS, but unfortunately not enough customers bought into the tech to make it profitable in the timeline they wanted. This is the fundamental problem with very large national ISPs, they cannot scale out the last mile without sinking billions into the network, but because people don't necessarily understand what increased bandwidth means (and yes, lack of competition), there's little business at risk for doing nothing. So once again when the new bandwidth hog hits the network the ISPs are woefully unprepared.

      No, you fail to comprehend people don't need increased bandwidth, and your neighbors don't care to subsidize you, the bandwidth hog. They believe that if you want increased bandwidth, you should pay for it, and they're right.

    2. Re:Anything to avoid FTTH by grumling · · Score: 2

      Sure, for many people there's no need for increased bandwidth. Until the next big thing hits and all of the sudden everyone needs more bandwidth. Dial up internet was fine for mostly text web pages and email. Then someone started producing graphics rich web sites with lots of advertising and people needed more bandwidth. Then people started sharing/downloading music, taking more bandwidth than available, so the ISPs had to catch up again. Then Netflix and Youtube. I'm not sure what the next big thing is, but you can bet it will take the ISPs by complete surprise.

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      "Well, good luck finding a judge that doesn't run a bestiality site."
    3. Re:Anything to avoid FTTH by Agripa · · Score: 1

      No, you fail to comprehend people don't need increased bandwidth, and your neighbors don't care to subsidize you, the bandwidth hog. They believe that if you want increased bandwidth, you should pay for it, and they're right.

      Give me a traffic meter which is as good as my power meter and stop including unsolicited traffic and I will stop complaining.

  9. Battery life? by olddoc · · Score: 1

    And your super thin phone with a non replaceable battery will last one hour on 5G before you have to find a plug.

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    Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    1. Re:Battery life? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Long enough to watch one episode, but how can you see anything on that tiny screen?

    2. Re:Battery life? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What gives you that impression? Each successive release of data connections beyond 3G have reduced battery consumption both in idle and during transfer.

    3. Re:Battery life? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      The first gen 4G chipsets had horrid battery life. I'd imagine that the first gen 5G chipsets will as well.

      Apple usually tends to wait for the 2nd gen chipsets before they upgrade their handsets.

    4. Re:Battery life? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      And what has that got to do with 4G / 5G standards?

    5. Re:Battery life? by Agripa · · Score: 1

      That is a DRM feature; you are not suppose to see any of it.

  10. Anything to avoid customer reality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Not enough bought into the tech" and that's somehow the ISPs fault. People voted (like with Trump) and they're getting what they want, or not as the case may be. Wireless also fits in with the reality that the entire US isn't living in a city, and it's not economical to run fiber everywhere.

    1. Re:Anything to avoid customer reality. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We The Elites voted and Hillary won.

    2. Re:Anything to avoid customer reality. by grumling · · Score: 1

      not enough customers bought into the tech to make it profitable in the timeline they wanted.

      You missed that last part of my sentence, which is the critical part. Capex is all about time to payback the investment. If a stock buyback or acquiring a competitor has a faster payback or is preferred to the investor markets, infrastructure will take a back seat.

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  11. where do we need to spy themost markets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a ceo was heard ...."where do we need to spy the most "

  12. 1 ms delay? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Interesting claim. Are they planning to bend time and space?

  13. They're a bit late to the game by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    For example, we use Towerstream. They're pretty good - 250Mbps symmetrical for a small office isn't bad.

  14. 5G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There!
    I really don't understand why my Laptops cannot connect to 5G?
    That piss hardware with drivers showing connected to the Wi-Fi does't allow Internet access.
    Is it the password that they don't like? Because the 5G didn't work, even when connected to the Internet I am forced to kill.
    I had to revert to 2G and will try 5G again. OK.

  15. Other things sneaking into standards by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    One thing that is curiously absent from public announcements of new standards is that successive standards proposed by the 3GPP have taken more and more feature of land mobile radio standards like TETRA, DMR, etc.

    5G promises to be the first modern standard where LTE could in theory completely replace 2-way radio communication including features such as call priority, preemption, and incredibly short call setup times.

    We could be looking at a change in the model by which 2-way radio systems are being provisioned, from a DIY, own your own radio tower and transmitter solution, to a wide coverage area with leased bandwidth solution.

    This to me is more interesting than incremental speed increases.

    1. Re:Other things sneaking into standards by Solandri · · Score: 1

      5G promises to be the first modern standard where LTE could in theory completely replace 2-way radio communication including features such as call priority, preemption, and incredibly short call setup times.

      Erm, I make VoIP calls using Google Voice over 4G LTE all the time. And I'm on Sprint so my LTE speeds aren't as good as what you'll usually get with the other 3 major carriers. Heck, on a good day I could make VoIP calls while on 3G. VoIP only needs about 100 kbps; the extra bandwidth is just to insure interference doesn't cause an audio dropout. Latency is annoying, but not really a problem. Back in the landline days we used to have a half second latency when making long distance calls via cables across the Pacific (or bounced off geosynchronous satellites).

      Now video calls... those require a good 4G connection. On a poor 4G connection it'll drop to like 3 fps, and is unusable with 3G.

    2. Re:Other things sneaking into standards by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand so let me go through it statement by statement.

      Erm, I make VoIP calls using Google Voice over 4G LTE all the time.

      The ability to send voice over LTE is not the concern. HOW you send voice over LTE is. The requirements for a phone call are very different from the requirements of a radio replacement.

      And I'm on Sprint so my LTE speeds aren't as good as what you'll usually get with the other 3 major carriers.

      Fallback modes for trial systems work all the way back to 3G. The system is not at all constrained by speed but constrained by back-end functionality.

      Back in the landline days we used to have a half second latency

      Okay we're starting to talk about the right kind of specs now. But your half a second latency is about 3x the worst case digital radio solution. Additionally the calls setup time for a call can be up to 8 seconds locally and 20 seconds internationally depending on network layout which is many orders of magnitude worse than what is required for a 2-way radio (targeting 25-100ms) here. Not so much of an issue if you're talking to grandma. Much more of an issue if you're doing something time-sensitive like operating machinery.

      All sorts of things become important in the 2-way radio world that are being incorporated in 5G. Including but not limited to:
      - Priority assignment for data based on target. (This has actually partially been implemented in 4G's QoS handling, but so far no one is using it)
      - Channel Preemption (the ability to make available bandwidth for priority data by dropping existing streams)
      - Emergency Call Preemption (the ability to flag a data as taking priority to the device to tell it to stop doing what it's doing and pay attention).
      - Treating data the same way a radio system does, e.g. radios tuning into groups and making group calls to each other. (Think of this as the equivalent difference that VoIP is to VoLTE)
      - Multicasting (if two people are standing next to each other, receiving the same voice message at a slightly different time can garble the resulting sound)

  16. Wow, so i'll be able... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow this is awesome! I'll be able to run through my 5 gigabyte data cap EVEN FASTER!!!

    Fuck your 5G.

  17. Cue lack of whining about radiation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cue lack of whining about radiation.

  18. MIght be nice if we had real 4G first... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I suspect that as per the norm with American (Greedy) cell companies, this "5G" will be nothing more than gussied up 3G at slightly higher speeds than the gussied up 3G they've labelled as "4G".

    What they call 4G or LTE doesn't even come close to the original IEEE 4G speeds, yet somehow, either through bribes or blackmail, they forced the IEEE to backpedal and label the U.S. 3G LTE as 4G.

  19. How about more than 3mbps DSL first? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There are people, even in "100% broadband" areas, that can't get better than DSL. What's the fix for that?