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China Smog: Millions Start New Year Shrouded By Health Alerts and Travel Chaos (theguardian.com)

Millions in China rang in the New Year shrouded in a thick blanket of toxic smog, causing road closures and flight cancellations as 24 cities issued alerts that will last through much of the week. From a report on The Guardian: On the first day of 2017 in Beijing, concentrations of tiny particles that penetrate deep into the lungs climbed as high as 24 times levels recommended by the World Health Organization. More than 100 flights were cancelled and all intercity buses were halted at the capital's airport. In the neighbouring port city of Tianjin, more than 300 flights were cancelled while the weather forecast warned thick smog will persist until 5 January. All of the city's highways were also shut as low visibility made driving hazardous, effectively trapping residents.

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  1. & Trump wants to make America like China again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Coal-fired.

  2. Compared to 2001... by jbwolfe · · Score: 3, Interesting

    when I first flew regularly to Beijing, the pollution seems to be of a different nature, but worse. Back then most were heating their homes with bricks of coal. After a day out in town, I would come back to my hotel and blow my nose. The tissue was filled with coal soot! Now the particulates are finer (more hazardous?) and no soot in snot. I feel the effects more sharply now though, but maybe that's just my age...

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  3. No EPA by Macdude · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's a good thing China doesn't have an EPA, think of how much worse the situation would be in there was a government agency meddling in the lives of the Chinese people.

    [/political sarcasm]

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    1. Re:No EPA by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's a good thing China doesn't have an EPA...

      Except they do! it's called the Ministry of Environmental Protection of the People's Republic of China (MEP) and the concerns of the environment come second the economic concerns. A steel plant may be in blatant violation of environmental law but shutting it down until it's in compliance with the law or even slowing down it's output to make the proper repairs/changes is considered to be unacceptable. China actually has decent environmental protections but the problem is that they are not enforced because the Chinese government is being run like a business. In short, China is cranking capitalism up to 11.

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  4. Re:if it's admitted that it's this bad by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

    They didn't admit it. If you follow the links in TFA, you can see that the pollution figures come from measurements taken at the US Embassy in Beijing.

  5. Benefits of the free market by Kludge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That nasty EPA has us all breathing clean air. Bastards! We could be more like China. Bring back the smog and acid rain!

    1. Re:Benefits of the free market by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Informative

      You are implying that the U.S. government already exerts more high-level command-and-control policy of its domain of influence than does the Chinese government over its own domain. Obviously, that is absurd.

      No it's not absurd. The US is largely a country ruled by law. Yes, there are unfortunately many examples of kleptocratic and frankly criminal behaviors among large companies but it does not rise to anywhere near the level you see in China. Beijing can make lots of rules, but the military owned companies and local governments often ignore them with little risk to themselves. Every once in a while somebody gets shot in the back of the head or tossed in jail but given the enormous size and scope of the Chinese economy, this is just a rounding error.

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  6. Re:Bring this smog back to America! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We want those awesome jobs manufacturing phones for a dollar an hour at 80 hours a week!

    Most iPhones are made in Shenzhen where a typical factor wage is about $3/hr. Since prices are lower in China for most things, that is the purchasing power of $6-$8, or not much less than a fast food worker might make in America. Average hours in Foxconn factories is 45 hours per week. When asked about working conditions, Foxconn employees biggest complaint was that they wanted to work longer hours, to build up their savings faster.

  7. Re:Bring this smog back to America! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What is the 'real' cost? This is especially hard if you try to include external costs (air, water and other resources on a sustainable level). You can easily argue that nobody prices things at a cost that would reflect good stewardship of society and the planet on a multi decade scale. China is just being a bit more aggressive than other countries.

    Although the US never got quite this bad, there were many environmental disasters in this country prior to the creation of the EPA (by Nixon). Things are quite a bit better now and lo and behold, the rich people are still making lots of money.

    Remember that all you Rabid Randians and Triumphant Trumpers.

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  8. Re:& Trump wants to make America like China ag by iggymanz · · Score: 4, Informative

    Irrelevant, the planet doesn't care about per-capita. China produces 3.5 times the carbon emissions of the USA. That's the only stat that matters.

  9. Re:Bring this smog back to America! by hambone142 · · Score: 2

    The U.S. continues to outsource its pollution to China.

    We are so pious in thinking we're "green" when we enable China to pollute so much.

  10. Re:Bring this smog back to America! by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    This. I remember working in China for a few months. $1AU ($0.75US) got me a full dinner, a hearty freshly made noodle soup with loads of beef. I drove a taxi absolutely everywhere as $2 got me pretty much anywhere in the city. Even when I went to amusement parks 100km away I took taxis.

    Pay rate is worthless without taking into account the cost of living.

  11. Re:& Trump wants to make America like China ag by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 2

    As far as I can tell, he accepts modern pollution controls but does not accept CO2 as a pollutant or extra, arbitrary paperwrk.