'Forza Horizon 3' Update Accidentally Published Unencrypted Build of the Game (vice.com)

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'Forza Horizon 3' Update Accidentally Published Unencrypted Build of the Game (vice.com)

Posted by BeauHD on Wednesday January 4, 2017 @11:30AM from the bad-day-at-work dept.

An employee at Forza Horizon 3 developer Playground Games accidentally green-lighted the wrong update file for PC players, who found themselves downloading a whopping 53GB download that turned out to be an unencrypted future build (.37.2) of the entire game intended for developers. Motherboard reports: Naturally, players who'd managed to download it yesterday had a field day leaking the information within, right down to massive posts on Imgur showing all the new cars and forum threads detailing the Porsches thought to come in an future unannounced pack. Since Forza Horizon 3 requires a constant online connection and works off of a constantly refreshing save file, anyone who played the new patch on PC found themselves slapped with an error saying their Forza profiles were no longer available. Playing it with the new build would thus effectively mean starting a new game from scratch, even if they'd dumped dozens of hours into Forza Horizon 3 since its release last September. But starting over is exactly what players shouldn't have done. The best thing they could do was shut down the game, walk away, and wait for a fix. "PC players who completed the download of .37.2 and then started a new game save will have a corrupted saved game," wrote Brian Ekberg, Forza's community manager, in a forum post. "Avoid creating a new saved game on .37.2, and only play on .35.2 to avoid this issue. As long as you have an existing save and have not created a new one on .37.2, your saved game will work correctly once the update is available."

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Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by kaka.mala.vachva · 2017-01-04 11:33 · Score: 1, Insightful

"PC players who completed the download of .37.2 and then started a new game save will have a corrupted saved game," wrote Brian Ekberg, Forza's community manager, in a forum post. "Avoid creating a new saved game on .37.2, and only play on .35.2 to avoid this issue. As long as you have an existing save and have not created a new one on .37.2, your saved game will work correctly once the update is available." Riiight - it is completely Forza's responsibility to restore saved games in this case.
1. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by Luthair · 2017-01-04 11:44 · Score: 1, Informative
  
  Yea, it doesn't seem acceptable that a corrupted save from an automatic update won't be fixed.
2. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by smooth+wombat · 2017-01-04 11:50 · Score: 0, Troll
  
  This is similar to a bank accidentally adding $1,000 to your bank account, you go spend that money because it's in your account, then you get penalized for spending something which wasn't yours in the first place.
  Anyone with at least two brain cells should have known something wasn't right when they pulled down a 53GB download for an update file. 53 MB, maybe, but not 53GB.
  
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3. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by war4peace · 2017-01-04 11:54 · Score: 3, Funny
  
  Horrible analogy.
  In case of a bank, you know it's not yours because you shouldn't have received them anyway.
  In case of this game, you already bought it so you own it.
  
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4. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by phorm · 2017-01-04 11:55 · Score: 0
  
  Because knowing the difference between a large, legit update and a mistake is the exact same thing as knowing money deposited in your account was an error ( though for that matter, $1000 could also be overlooked depending on what you have coming in via direct-deposit, e.g. a tax-return etc).
5. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:55 · Score: 0
  
  This is similar to a bank accidentally adding $1,000 to your bank account, you go spend that money because it's in your account, then you get penalized for spending something which wasn't yours in the first place.
  Anyone with at least two brain cells should have known something wasn't right when they pulled down a 53GB download for an update file. 53 MB, maybe, but not 53GB.
  No, this is a computer game.
6. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by Luthair · 2017-01-04 11:56 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  You say that but Halo Master Chief had a 20gb patch day-1, sadly patches in the gigabytes have become the norm. Plus these are often streamed in the background. Either way I wouldn't be suspicious of a 50gb update, though I'd be pissed and go complain online about having to wait for yet another update.
7. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:57 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, it's not like plenty other titles had updates well into the dozens of GB.
  Oh, wait.
8. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by TroII · 2017-01-04 12:06 · Score: 4, Funny
  
  In case of this game, you already bought it so you have a limited license to potentially use it under certain conditions as long as the studio sees fit, doesn't decide to shut off their authentication servers, and neither the publisher nor the gaming platform decide you've violated an arbitrary rule.
  FTFY
  
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9. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 12:09 · Score: 0
  
  Do you actually own the game or do you only own a license to play the game?
10. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by Opportunist · 2017-01-04 13:48 · Score: 2
  
  You assume that the player actually noticed that the update happened.
  More and more games come now fall into the habit, at least if they're updated often and require large updates, to start their updater with the computer and keep it running, checking every now and then for updates and downloading and applying them in the background, without the user even noticing that an update occurred unless he just happens to want to play the game while the update is in progress.
  If the game is on Steam, chances are even higher that any update happens without the user even noticing it.
  
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11. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by Falos · 2017-01-04 14:05 · Score: 1
  
  Lemme check if the receipt said Blockbuster on it.
12. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by zifn4b · 2017-01-05 00:34 · Score: 1
  
  You say that but Halo Master Chief had a 20gb patch day-1, sadly patches in the gigabytes have become the norm.
  That's because we have idiots managing software projects with unreasonable expectations. Therefore, we compromise by releasing stuff that isn't done and patch it up until it is actually done because you know being able to say "it was released" is more important than if the software actually works or damages the reputation of the software vendor.
  
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13. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by rtb61 · 2017-01-05 00:48 · Score: 0
  
  It's bloody M$ what the fuck do you expect but using end users as crash test dummies for compulsory upgrades, the softies just don't give a fuck. You suckers will keep buying and they will keep treating you like shit.
  
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14. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 02:38 · Score: 0
  
  Video game player here, there's often times I'll have 20GB updates to a 20GB game because the developer keeps needing to "remaster" the update, which essentially redelivers the entire game after nearly every update.
  https://www.google.com/search?q=warframe+20gb+update
15. Re: Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by sound+vision · 2017-01-05 02:53 · Score: 1
  
  I've seen games with 50+ GB updates before. Especially MMOs - isn't that what this game is? Or is the always-on thing only for DRM?
16. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by AdamStarks · 2017-01-05 04:04 · Score: 2
  
  From a technical perspective, it's completely acceptable. This build was never intended to be released to the public, and so there was no expectation of backwards compatibility. It produces a new save, which the old build (by definition not patched to handle saves from the future) will then apparently choke on and mangle. Unless the mangling somehow avoids losing any information, or users' saves are backed up somewhere, I don't see what can be done in this situation.
  The only thing I can think of would be to hold off on pulling the developer build until you've produced another retail build based on the last good one, with functionality patched in downcast saves generated from the developer build. But that kind of thing would probably have a minimum of something like a 1 week turnaround, which would mean leaving the development build live for a whole extra week.
  In other words, the decision to immediately pull the developer build and revert to the previous one probably makes the corruption of saves inevitable. The only hope is that they pull it fast enough that as few users as possible are afflicted.
  As for future-proofing against this kind of mishap (which falls in the general case of "Updates Breaking Saves"), you can use a versioning system that keeps saves from older builds around and writes to differently named saves with each new update. That unfortunately seems not to be what was done here...
17. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by thegarbz · 2017-01-05 06:50 · Score: 1
  
  That's because we have idiots managing software projects with unreasonable expectations.
  Actually a day one patch sounds more like using the publishing window for development. Nothing new there.
18. Re:Hah! Sure, blame the players .. by zifn4b · 2017-01-06 00:27 · Score: 1
  
  Actually a day one patch sounds more like using the publishing window for development. Nothing new there.
  Agreed. But just because it's "nothing new" doesn't mean it's any less stupid than it always was.
  
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Accident? by uvajed_ekil · 2017-01-04 11:33 · Score: 1

"Accidental leak?" That results in free advertising, see above for example.

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1. Re:Accident? by Mr+D+from+63 · 2017-01-04 11:56 · Score: 2, Funny
  
  "Accidental leak?" That results in free advertising, see above for example.
  Blame the Russians and you'll get even more press.
At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:35 · Score: -1

Let's be honest, it's an open secret that the Linux kernel contains large sections of copyrighted code from SCO UNIX. For those familiar with both collections of source code, it was generally assumed that SCO would win their lawsuit, and simply a question of what the fallout would be. Although dismissed out of hand by IBM and members of the open source community who were constantly moving the goalposts, SCO did provide a comprehensive list of source files and line numbers in Linux that matched portions of SCO UNIX. The fact is, SCO's claims of copyright violations by Linux developers and users were valid, factual, and completely legal. To this day, the Linux kernel contains large sections of copyrighted code that came straight from SCO UNIX. The open source community generally is vocal in favoring the "little guy" against large corporations like Microsoft and Google, whose motives and actions are frequently called into question. It's bemoaned that the so-called little guy is unlikely to stand a chance against the massive and well-funded legal teams retained by large corporations. This is for good reason, that everyone should be entitled to the same rights, regardless of their ability to afford top notch legal teams. SCO was the little guy compared to IBM, a small company with limited resources simply trying to ensure their copyrights were protected. IBM squashed them like a bug, not because the lawsuit was invalid. In fact, SCO's claims of copyright infringement are generally accepted as mostly correct. Rather, IBM had the legal resources to draw out legal battles and win a war of attrition against SCO, no matter the validity of the claims. If the open source community truly cares about ensuring the little guy has the same rights as large corporations, they should have been supporting SCO against a behemoth like IBM. To this day, I fail to understand the hypocrisy in supporting the little guy against giants like Apple and Microsoft, but rooting for another giant, IBM, to decimate SCO.
1. Re:At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:44 · Score: 0
  
  Let's be honest, it's an open secret that the Linux kernel contains large sections of copyrighted code from SCO UNIX..
  Found the SCO (former) employee.
  Edit: Hilariously coincidental, captcha was "jackass".
2. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:49 · Score: 0
  
  it's pretty simple, poors want free stuff and they want to be recognized for their frugality
  so, the poors that can only use Linux because they can't afford PCs or macs now have a vested interest in Linux succeeding because a) they want the free ride to continue and b) they can claim some level of expertise for a nice computer janitor job
  now you get to SCO vs IBM. If IBM wins, AIX becomes the standard Unix instead of smelly hippie free "as in beer and speech!!!!" Linux. poor Linux "admins" can't have that, it takes away the gravy train in favor of professionals so... it all makes sense when you think about the idiot poors that are trying hard to be real IT pros.
  this also explains why stories like databases with no admin password exposed to the internet getting hacked become news.
3. Re:At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 12:01 · Score: 0
  
  The only "SCO code" that was found in linux were header files... which define the interface between code blocks, which are required to be the same for interoperability reasons, and as such are not copyrightable.
4. Re:At least they weren't stealing from SCO by mattyj · 2017-01-04 12:11 · Score: 1
  
  I don't believe that the presence of the code in Linux has ever had anything to do with it, it's the alleged copyright that SCO wrongfully staked a claim on. Then switched to trade secrets. Then licensing fees.
  They originally breached the licensing agreement with Novell and refused to defend themselves, opting instead to continue filing frivolous lawsuits against anyone using or supporting Linux, then claiming the proof was secret and they wouldn't discuss it in open court.
  Their misunderstanding of what they sued AutoZone for is a hilarious story, too.
  And when SCO tried to claim copyright on GPL'ed code.
  And then the consultants that found no evidence of copyright infringement in Linux code.
  Your view of history is severely muddled, and I'm not even sure what this has to do with videogames. SCO (and it's many incarnations) was essentially a licensee of Unix that misunderstood what Unix/Linux was and attempted to be an early incarnation of a patent/copyright troll. That 'little guy' deserved the beating they got.
5. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 12:38 · Score: 0
  
  Is there some kind of pointed object lodged halfway into your skull?
6. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by pixel+sorceress · 2017-01-04 13:02 · Score: 1
  
  Is it retro-trolling week here on Slashdot? Are we going to have a lovely old fashioned flame war about whether the Amiga or the Atari are the best 16 bit micro next?
7. Re:At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 13:56 · Score: 0
  
  bitter much?
8. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 14:18 · Score: 0
  
  Nah, what you're seeing is somebody calibrating their trollbot. These ones have probably spent the past six months rubbishing Hillary, and now there's no need for that any more it's time they were repurposed.
  It's important to keep the flamewars going on the background Slashdot topics, otherwise we might be at risk of accepting that there is such a thing as "a fact", or even "real news". Someone needs to program them to bolt together (first) sentences and (then) paragraphs - see GP and GGP - to look like a semi-coherent post that will provoke predictable (and - and this is important - partisan) responses, to feed the story that there is no such thing as fact, just different kinds of partisanship.
9. Re:At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 15:02 · Score: 0
  
  I'd appreciate it if you'd distinguish between 'Linux' and 'Gnu\Linux'. I'll accept 'Gnu + Linux' in the interest of clarity, as well.
10. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 17:21 · Score: 0
  
  It was definitely the Atari. Amiga was slow and unstable. Guru Meditation errors every where. TOS and GEM were great for their time.
11. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 21:46 · Score: 0
  
  It was definitely the Atari. Amiga was slow and unstable. Guru Meditation errors every where. TOS and GEM were great for their time.
  GEM wasn't even restricted to Ataris.
12. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 22:49 · Score: 0
  
  this also explains why stories like databases with no admin password exposed to the internet getting hacked become news.
  That's devops for you.
13. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Sloppy · 2017-01-05 03:45 · Score: 1
  
  Are we going to have a lovely old fashioned flame war about whether the Amiga or the Atari are the best 16 bit micro next?
  My Amiga had a 68060. Quit calling it 16-bit as though it's anything like your sorry Atari.
  
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14. Re:At least they weren't stealing from SCO by omnichad · 2017-01-05 05:50 · Score: 1
  
  What's there to distinguish? The lawsuit was regarding 'Linux' and not any userspace tools that may have been running on top of it.
15. Re: At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 06:43 · Score: 0
  
  I think it (issues? object?) might be a little deeper than that.
16. Re:At least they weren't stealing from SCO by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 10:06 · Score: 0
  
  Do you recall the scope of SCO's claims? The distinction certainly escaped them.
  Relax. It was supposed to be a moment of levity. An echo of a concern from the same era as the GrandTroll's post and when, for a moment, it looked as though Stallman's insistence on maintaining a distinction between the two might end up being the last defence in the face of an unsympathetic and technically ignorant judge.
Oops by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:37 · Score: 0

I accidentally posted this.
1. Re:Oops by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:38 · Score: 0
  
  I accidentally posted this.
  And free attention you have now, yes?
News for nerds indeed by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:42 · Score: -1

who gives a fuck about what some shut in losers playing a random game "should have done" to save their boring ass game file thing
buy a real Porsche idiots, don't drive one on the computer
1. Re:News for nerds indeed by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 12:00 · Score: 0
  
  who gives a fuck about what some shut in losers playing a random game "should have done" to save their boring ass game file thing
  buy a real Porsche idiots, don't drive one on the computer
  Wow, the flamers just get lazier and worse all the time. If this is all they've got anymore, maybe they're right, Slashdot is heading down hill.
2. Re:News for nerds indeed by pixel+sorceress · 2017-01-04 13:09 · Score: 0
  
  I remember when we had an ever so polite subcommunity on Slashdot for black American people in same sex romances. They'd start the most thoughtful conversation threads. Ever poignant and witty, they were.
3. Re:News for nerds indeed by epyT-R · 2017-01-04 14:02 · Score: 1
  
  Sometimes, video games are played precisely because they aren't the real thing.
4. Re: News for nerds indeed by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 01:25 · Score: 0
  
  Eat a dick.. I play race sims and go do HPDEs. These allow you to practice your line and learn the track for much cheaper and for longer.
  Idiot.
no effect by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 11:51 · Score: 0

No wonder I don't recognize it and I am big race fan on PC, it is windows 10 only. I am a tad suspicious of a AAA game with no hardware requirements listed however. Cheap Xbox port ?
1. Re:no effect by dadelbunts · 2017-01-04 13:39 · Score: 2
  
  You are a big racing game fan and have never heard of the Forza series? Ooooooooooooooooooook.
2. Re:no effect by johannesg · 2017-01-04 23:06 · Score: 1
  
  I imagine the average PC owner would think "XBox exclusive" if they heard that title, and not pay further attention to it. I certainly had no idea there was a PC version. Then again, if it isn't on Steam or Gog, as far as a great many PC gamers are concerned, it doesn't exist.
3. Re: no effect by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 01:27 · Score: 0
  
  You also missed the commercials and online ads and in store ads and boxes and cutouts and stand ups and the chatter?
  No way you're in to PC racing games and not even aware of other system titles.
  I don't have a Playstation but I know of, have seen and even played GranTurismo.
Data metering and caps by techno-vampire · 2017-01-04 12:37 · Score: 1

There's a lot of people out there on a metered connection, or who have to pay extra if their downloads exceed a specified cap. I can't imagine a plan like that having enough bandwidth per month to cover a 53 GB download without extra cost. What I'd like to know is, who's getting stuck with the bill? Are the customers going to have to fork out or is Playground Games going to Do The Right Thing and cover the expense?

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1. Re: Data metering and caps by bn-7bc · 2017-01-04 14:43 · Score: 1
  
  Is the meetered interner connection (appart from 3G/LTE) realy s thing outside the USA (I'm not trolling here this is an hones question), as for 3G/LTE gotas, well. Maybe thostechnologies wher never ment to replace xDSL/cable (due to limitations on pe to ce hop rf spectrum), but over eager pr people at wisp/mnos got the idea that" This if faster than xDSL (well higher bit rate at least) so we can sell our service as a replacement" I,ll admit thst in some cases, as when you are located to far from the co, or on a crappy pair of wires, unfortunatly 3G/LTE is your only choice and then those bog updayes raly are a problem, atleast with steam you can set in. Ot to download in the bacgroubd without notifying you first
2. Re: Data metering and caps by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 18:01 · Score: 0
  
  Australia's whole Internet business model was about speed and quotas. The more speed or quota you want the more you pay.
  Now that the market has matured and companies have consolidated into monopolies you are lucky to get any plan for under $50 now and get what ever crappy speed and stability your line is capable of.
3. Re:Data metering and caps by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 19:42 · Score: 0
  
  What I'd like to know is, who's getting stuck with the bill? Are the customers going to have to fork out or is Playground Games going to Do The Right Thing and cover the expense?
  Yes and yes.
  The customers will have to pay for the download, but if they take it to small claims then Playground Games will most likely cover the extra cost.
4. Re: Data metering and caps by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 20:53 · Score: 0
  
  Ever heard of a spell checker (or chucker, if your answer is yes)?
5. Re: Data metering and caps by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 02:55 · Score: 0
  
  I'm in the US in a major city. $75 a month Internet (Cox) has a 300 gb data cap, though rarely enforced.
6. Re: Data metering and caps by omnichad · 2017-01-05 05:55 · Score: 1
  
  I think your keyboard is broken.
Meanhile Gog still has unencrypted games by rsilvergun · 2017-01-04 13:20 · Score: 1

and it's no accident. I wouldn't care if I didn't need to spend an extra $100 on CPU that can handle the decryption to get decent framerates (here's looking at you Batman: Arkham Knight).

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1. Re:Meanhile Gog still has unencrypted games by Opportunist · 2017-01-04 14:03 · Score: 1
  
  The sad part is that this often means that the cracked versions of the games play better than the legally bought ones. Talk about adding insult to injury.
  
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2. Re:Meanhile Gog still has unencrypted games by hairyfeet · 2017-01-04 20:45 · Score: 1
  
  Citation please? Because from every in depth review I've seen Batman Arkham Knightrider wasn't suffering from encryption issues but from a publisher with a severe case of not giving a fuck. They made sure it ran on the Xbone, only half ass made sure it ran on PS4 and then didn't even bother with that much for PC but let a fourth string dev house do the porting with almost no money and an extreme deadline.
  Not saying buying from GOG is a bad idea, in fact I personally will buy to GOG over anyplace else if they have a game I want, but trying to blame Arkham Knightrider on bad crypto ignores the shitty practices which are frankly par for the course when it comes to Warner Bros.
  
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3. Re:Meanhile Gog still has unencrypted games by scourfish · 2017-01-05 02:05 · Score: 1
  
  The decryption of an executable into memory is most likely not the cause of terrible framerates in games.
4. Re:Meanhile Gog still has unencrypted games by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 05:33 · Score: 0
  
  Does GoG have a way to buy anonymously?, I think that's the one issue or hurdle left after issues of DRM or game can disappear when servers are disabled and so on. I mean, if I want to buy games with my identity, real identity tied to a debit card or paypal account or something, I can buy them on Steam Linux already. End result, an online store knows every game I bought, with my real name and stuff. This is a bigger issue than DRM. If the store operates under US law, it might be selling this information to everyone despite it being illegal in my home country.
that's not a patch by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 14:55 · Score: 0

it's a rewrite. How often do we stop calling it original when the boxed product installed is not compatible with the update revision?
Blizzard Entertainment is guilty of this. ID Software is ok. 3DRealms is guilty of this. Apple Computers is guilty.
Blissful Ignorance? by s.petry · 2017-01-04 17:19 · Score: 2

The lawsuit is done, as is SCO. The complaint from SCO boiled down to them LYING! Hence, they lost every single lawsuit and appeal. I'm not sure if you are a shill or just completely ignorant, but in the case of the latter there is a site called Groklaw which covered the cases start to finish. With I'll add, an exceptional paralegal pulling down PACER files, and numerous attorneys adding commentary and explanation to the proceedings.
As one example, SCO tried to sue for source code they claimed to own that was released by AT&T before AT&T lost their lawsuit trying to recapture source code they gave away so that people would improve the AT&T code for free. The AT&T lawsuit ended up in the branches of BSD and System V(5).
SCO tried very hard to play the patent troll game and lost. Most of us in the world are happy about it, and better off because of it. Go do your homework, or shill back at the Junior High schools where people may believe the trolls.

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Bullsh*t by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 19:38 · Score: 0

I find very difficult to believe the PM responsible for sharing dev builds is the same person who greenlights public releases. Either someone quit/got sick and a college/team lead attempted to cover for them or this was intentional to generate viral interest in this gaming franchise. How the F do you release a public build of anything without a clean bill of health from your QA test team?
"an future" by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-04 22:14 · Score: 0

Only an American could write that.
Saved game corruption by Waccoon · 2017-01-04 22:55 · Score: 1

Gee, maybe they should let people make backups and have real save slots... just like in the old days. It's not like saved game corruption is a problem old as dirt, right?
I'll skip griping about always-online games. These days there's plenty of indie titles available so I don't have to subject myself to the crippled AAA garbage.
And this isn't a.. by poofmeisterp · 2017-01-05 01:27 · Score: 1

..sales tactic? These sorts of things have been happening more and more; there is less loss due to pissed off consumers and more interest the "news" feeds the nosy hackers. Lost 100 for lost saves; gain 2000 for hacking interest AND flashy interest generated by viewers of the "news".
Hell, I would do it, and I'm not a sales-minded person. They're way ahead of me in using tactics for sales, so I state my point.
Internet bill will be high this month by Anonymous Coward · 2017-01-05 03:30 · Score: 0

Pay by the gigabyte sucks.
MS is the worst with patches by HalAtWork · 2017-01-05 04:06 · Score: 1

I got an Xbone as a gift and 3 games, Master Chief collection, Halo 5, and Forza 3. MCC has me downloading a 62GB patch, Halo 5 has a 50GB patch, and Forza 3 had a 2GB patch. The other day I went back to try and play Forza 3 but it's trying to download yet another 2GB patch and refuses to launch until I update it which means I couldn't play when I wanted, with kids I don't get much choice of when I can play. So far, (like Windows machines) I spend more time waiting for patches to download and install than I do acually using the system. I don't understand why patches are so huge on Xbox, can't they just use diffs or something?

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1. Re:MS is the worst with patches by Kaenneth · 2017-01-05 04:49 · Score: 1
  
  Download time aside; fuck data caps.