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Wireless Headphone Sales Soared After Apple Dropped Headphone Jack (fortune.com)

Apple's decision to remove the headphone jack from new iPhones last year prompted lots of consumers to switch to wireless headphones, according to a new report on holiday shopping. From a report: Three-quarters of all headphones sold online in December were wireless models, up from 50% a year earlier, according to shopping tracker Slice Intelligence. Apple was the biggest beneficiary of the shift, as both its new AirPods earphones and models from its Beats subsidiary led the sales charts. The $159 AirPods, Apple's first wireless model sold under its own brand, didn't go on sale until Dec. 13, but the product quickly dominated the wireless headphone market, Slice found. In the year prior to the debut, the Beats brand topped online sales of wireless models with a 24% market share, trailed by Bose with an 11% share and Jaybird at 8%. But after AirPods went on sale, they grabbed 26% of online wireless sales, Slice found. Bose was second at 16% and Beats dropped to third with 15% of the market during the period considered.

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  1. Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Why is this a story?

    1. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Assmasher · · Score: 2

      Seriously? "Man dives through plate glass window" "In other news, band-aid sales have skyrocketed recently..."

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    2. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      What's 'soaring'?

      They went from selling two pairs a month to three? What...?

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    3. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Joce640k · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If you bought an iPhone this Xmas then the only way to listen to it is with something wireless. These people literally had no choice about what sort of things to buy.

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    4. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The iPhone 7 comes with wired Lightning earbuds.

    5. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Or you could just use the headphones that come with a new iPhone.

    6. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "26% of online wireless sales"

      English: do you speak it?

    7. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Baleet · · Score: 1

      They went from 2 out of 4 to 3 out of 4. What about the majority of us who use Android phones? Still using whatever we were using. No need to buy anything.

    8. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Freischutz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seriously? "Man dives through plate glass window" "In other news, band-aid sales have skyrocketed recently..."

      Nobody forced these people to buy wireless headphones, there is an adaptor that allows you to plug analogue headphones into the lightning connector. The real news here is that people don't seem to give a rats ass about the demise 3.5mm headphone jack and didn't think twice about getting a Bluetooth headset despite predictions of doom from the naysayers on Slashdot and that around half of them went for a non-Apple product..

    9. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Gilgaron · · Score: 1

      Nothing has vexed my wife half as much as her wireless headphones. I think she maintains that she likes them as a psychological response to that they cost so much.

    10. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >band-aid sales skyrocketed from 4:00-4:30pm on Friday
      ftfy

    11. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      26% of nothing is nothing.

      Math: Do you do it?

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    12. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Maritz · · Score: 4, Funny

      It looks like we're supposed to be dumbfounded that wireless headphone sales went up after the world's (probably) most single popular model of smartphone dropped its headphone jack.

      Colour me fucking stunned.

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    13. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Maritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      despite predictions of doom from the naysayers on Slashdot and that around half of them went for a non-Apple product..

      Nobody sensible predicted that Apple fans would reject the iPhone because of the lack of 3.5mm jack. The counter-prediction is what's being laughed at - that 3.5mm connectors will immediately die based on Apple's say-so.

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    14. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by HannethCom · · Score: 2, Informative

      And yet Apple refuses to release sales figures for the iPhone 7. Which Apple only does when sales are really bad.
      Then you have Apple slashing production of iPhone 7. There are also reports from resellers of large numbers of people choosing iPhone 6 over the equivalent iPhone 7, even when the iPhone 7 was cheaper.
      Personally I know 4 people that bought the iPhone 7. Only 1 of those people didn't return it.

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    15. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by dgatwood · · Score: 2

      No doubt, some of them did. Others chose the 6s over the 7. Others decided that carrying around an adapter was more of a pain than charging headphones every day, and bought Bluetooth headphones. Still others designed an iPhone case to add the headphone jack back. And a fifth group bought the 7, tried Bluetooth, hated it, and returned the iPhone 7 for a refund. The important question is how many people fell into each group. Unfortunately, Apple stopped breaking down iPhone sales by product, so we'll never know for certain.

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    16. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously? "Man dives through plate glass window" "In other news, band-aid sales have skyrocketed recently..."

      Nobody forced these people to buy wireless headphones, there is an adaptor that allows you to plug analogue headphones into the lightning connector. The real news here is that people don't seem to give a rats ass about the demise 3.5mm headphone jack and didn't think twice about getting a Bluetooth headset despite predictions of doom from the naysayers on Slashdot and that around half of them went for a non-Apple product..

      A 50% increase in pathetic sales can still be pathetic sales. Sounds great in a headline, but we can't tell from this article how many compared to regular headphone sales or even just new Iphone sales.

    17. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      26% of how much? Selling 4 instead of 3 per year is even a 33% increase.

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    18. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Colour me fucking stunned.

      You got a Pantone chip for that?

      Just curious.

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    19. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by shmlco · · Score: 1

      I have the AirPods and while they're not perfect, I find that they're much better than the standard EarPods.

      And nothing is more vexing than having to sit there and untangle a set of wired earphones each and every time I want to use them...

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    20. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Ayanami_R · · Score: 1

      well see how popular those things are after some time dealing with the shortcomings of these devices. Many people ran out and bought them, but how many will consider it an improvement? My son is sick of his 180 beats wireless ones (various issues) 2 days after buying them the day after Christmas. Time will tell.

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    21. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by David_Hart · · Score: 4, Funny

      Colour me fucking stunned.

      You got a Pantone chip for that?

      Just curious.

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    22. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It looks like we're supposed to be dumbfounded that wireless headphone sales went up after the world's (probably) most single popular model of smartphone dropped its headphone jack.

      Colour me fucking stunned.

      You should be colored shocked that this happened during the holiday quarter as well.

    23. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Aereus · · Score: 1

      They make cheap wind-up cases for earbuds to prevent the tangling issue.

    24. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      No need to buy anything.

      Better yet, no need to charge anything, except for the phone itself.

    25. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The breaking news, (to some), is that they've been had. Consumers were taken advantage of under the twin guises of 'new-shiney' and 'courage'.
      It's not news that the sales went up, it's that the sales were forced up by artificial, unneeded, and unwanted changes to a proven model.

    26. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Nobody forced these people to buy wireless headphones, there is an adaptor that allows you to plug analogue headphones into the lightning connector.

      Can you charge and listen at the same time?
      And if you already have to use an adapter to get 3.5mm, how well does the daisy chaining of adapters work in practice?

    27. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you and fuck your "lightning" earbuds.

    28. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Nobody sensible predicted that Apple fans would reject the iPhone because of the lack of 3.5mm jack.

      Reject would be a bit strong, but didn't pull iPhone out of its slump either. At least part of that would be the headphone jack.

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    29. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The iPhone 7 brought almost nothing new, outside of the fake bokeh effect (which frankly doesn't work very well and tends to blur sharp edges) on the Plus there is really no need to "upgrade" from a 6 or 6S. The iPad, iPhone and Apple Watch have all sufferred sales declines, there's no innovation, only iteration.

      People keep buying them because if you're invested in iOS you have no choice, same goes for the new Macbook Pro. Frankly it's rubbish, poor performance (relative to other 'pro' grade laptops), worse thermal performance than its predecessor and the only new features are "thinness" and a capacitive function key arrangement. For a 'pro' laptop the choice of GPU and the RAM limitation are both particularly poor but this same issue can be seen with their Mac Pro, 3-year-old hardware, same high price!

    30. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wind your headphone cord in a figure eight and it will never tangle.

    31. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      If you bought an iPhone this Xmas then the only way to listen to it is with something wireless. These people literally had no choice about what sort of things to buy.

      FAIL!

      You might have taken .5 seconds to look at the Product Page for the iPhone 7, where it plainly states that, not only does the iPhone 7 ship with a Lightning-based WIRED headset; but ALSO ships with a Lightning to 3.5 mm analog WIRED headphone/headset adapter.

    32. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Fuck you and fuck your "lightning" earbuds.

      Another erudite and mature response from AC...

    33. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Nothing has vexed my wife half as much as her wireless headphones. I think she maintains that she likes them as a psychological response to that they cost so much.

      Obviously, she doesn't have AirPods.

      They really ARE better, especially when it compared with other wireless earbuds/headphones/headsets (other than the new Beats).

    34. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      They make cheap wind-up cases for earbuds to prevent the tangling issue.

      Yeah, I tried one of those.

      You end up just replacing "untangling time" with "wind/unwind" time.

    35. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      despite predictions of doom from the naysayers on Slashdot and that around half of them went for a non-Apple product..

      Nobody sensible predicted that Apple fans would reject the iPhone because of the lack of 3.5mm jack. The counter-prediction is what's being laughed at - that 3.5mm connectors will immediately die based on Apple's say-so.

      You're the one who will be laughed-at by the end of this year, or the next year at the latest.

      And no, the 3.5 mm jack won't IMMEDIATELY die; but it WILL almost immediately die from PHONES (and likely tablets, too).

    36. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      The iPhone 7 brought almost nothing new, outside of the fake bokeh effect (which frankly doesn't work very well and tends to blur sharp edges) on the Plus there is really no need to "upgrade" from a 6 or 6S. The iPad, iPhone and Apple Watch have all sufferred sales declines, there's no innovation, only iteration.

      People keep buying them because if you're invested in iOS you have no choice, same goes for the new Macbook Pro. Frankly it's rubbish, poor performance (relative to other 'pro' grade laptops), worse thermal performance than its predecessor and the only new features are "thinness" and a capacitive function key arrangement. For a 'pro' laptop the choice of GPU and the RAM limitation are both particularly poor but this same issue can be seen with their Mac Pro, 3-year-old hardware, same high price!

      Just keep chantin' that Hater chant.

    37. Re: Breaking news, water is wet! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just keep chantin' that Hater chant.

      Calling somebody a "hater" just because you don't like the facts (which are facts and you cannot refute them hence your lack of rebuttal) just demonstrates how stupid you really are.

      I like most Apple products, the reason it is frustrating when they produce such terrible ones is because I don't want to switch away from iOS and macOS. But unlike you I don't feel a need to defend crap just because it has an Apple logo on it.

    38. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by exomondo · · Score: 1

      It really doesn't matter, the pain in the ass aspect is the need to carry adapters with you that you didn't before. But this seems to be the way they are going, you can't even plug a standard USB stick into the new Macbook Pro without a dongle. Their mantra seems to be "upsell dongles", it's a pretty smart move really. For those wanting OSX it means you pay the same price you always used to but everybody also has to spend an extra $10-$15 here and there to get their existing devices to work with it. Need USB-A? Just buy a dongle. Need HDMI? Just buy a dongle. Need Thunderbolt 2? Just buy a dongle. Forgot to bring them with you? Just got to your local Apple store and buy some more. Just taking the 2016 Macbook Pro around the building is an annoyance now because it always has a bunch of dongles handing out of the sides. I hope they go back to integrated solutions rather than ones that require adapters.

    39. Re:Breaking news, water is wet! by samwichse · · Score: 1

      The best hex color is: #1337af, followed by #b00b15.

  2. From the department of the obvious... by es330td · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If there is no headphone jack, buying traditional headphones would be pretty dumb. Any outcome other than an increase in wireless headphone sales would have been very unusual.

    1. Re: From the department of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wrong. Wired headphones were still possible with a dongle, but this shows that the slight added expense of a dongle and the need for a separate piece of equipment was enough to drive consumers to wireless audio. It shows that consumers really do prefer wireless audio, and even a slight increase in the difficulty of using wired headphones was enough to drive them to switch. As usual, Apple will be vindicated for their decision.

    2. Re: From the department of the obvious... by omnichad · · Score: 2

      the slight added expense of a dongle

      I'm pretty sure it was included in the box with the phone.

    3. Re:From the department of the obvious... by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Except that only a very tiny part of the consumers own an iPhone 7, the only device without a 3.5mm audio jack, except my toaster.
      Therefore the iPhone 7 can't explain the surge from 50 to 75%.

    4. Re: From the department of the obvious... by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      With less than a month of sales data it's hard to say how many of those will regret their impulse purchase.

      Apples offering isn't exactly getting 5-star reviews.

      https://www.cnet.com/products/...

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    5. Re:From the department of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Percentages don't tell you a lot unless you know the numbers behind them. As someone above posted, going from 2 headsets to 3 headsets a year is a 50% surge.

    6. Re:From the department of the obvious... by H3lldr0p · · Score: 1

      Yeah it can.

      Sales of wireless headphones weren't that big to begin with.

      See? It's that simple.

      It's an expensive, class defining accessory. It's conspicuous consumption. If you want to get the people who buy these things really mad mention how easy Apple is making it for everyone to afford them. Then watch as they explain how theirs are even better than the default Apple ships. It's fun!

    7. Re:From the department of the obvious... by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      Well 50% of all headphones is big. I doubt the numbers actually, and it is probably not worldwide.

    8. Re: From the department of the obvious... by Freischutz · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Wired headphones were still possible with a dongle, but this shows that the slight added expense of a dongle and the need for a separate piece of equipment was enough to drive consumers to wireless audio. It shows that consumers really do prefer wireless audio, and even a slight increase in the difficulty of using wired headphones was enough to drive them to switch. As usual, Apple will be vindicated for their decision.

      The 3.5mm adaptor is included with the phone but even if it wasn't the prospect of forking over 10 bucks would not drive people to buy Bluetooth headsets headsets which start at $50 or more if you want reasonable sound quality. I do agree that this shows that people's reluctance to switch to wireless headphones is wildly exaggerated.

    9. Re: From the department of the obvious... by shmlco · · Score: 2

      I have some and I'll give them 4 stars. Bumping the battery life would take it up to 4.5, and using the built-in microphone to check ambient sound levels and automatically raising or lowering the volume to match would take it up to 5.

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    10. Re: From the department of the obvious... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      It shows that consumers really do prefer wireless audIo

      Not exactly. It only shows that they prefer it to using a dongle, or to switching to a different platform on a new phone.

    11. Re: From the department of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do agree that this shows that people's reluctance to switch to wireless headphones is wildly exaggerated.

      Wrong. This is only about NEW sales, not a survey about wired vs wireless headphones.
      If the TOTAL headphone sales had increased 50% also, then you might have a point.
      If people have wired headphones they love, why buy new wireless ones?

    12. Re:From the department of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The OPs submission itself says that 3/4 of *all* headphones sold online became wireless sales, versus 1/2 last year (in December).

      That is an eyebrow raising number. You claiming that *all* headphones sales online are a small number (thus easily influenced), especially during the Christmas shopping season, would also be a pretty hard thing to believe.

      Clicking on the link shows that the data is gathered from 4.4M shopper's receipts somehow, so they are not the totality of the market, and without digging further there is no idea of how those 4.4M shoppers compare to the rest of the buying market.

    13. Re: From the department of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If customers preferred wireless, they would have already been using it. It has, after all, been available on most models, Apple and otherwise, for years. Interpreting the increase in difficulty of use of the legacy option delivering an increase in use of wireless as a preference for the latter is simply incorrect -- it shows a preference for simplicity. By increasing the complexity of the traditional connector, they changed the nature of the beast: instead of contrasting wireless vs. one plug, we're now contrasting wireless vs. two plugs and a dongle; the paradigm before and after the change cannot be realistically compared.

    14. Re: From the department of the obvious... by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      It goes further than that. The dongle is incompatible with battery cases and is incompatible with charging while listening. So there are categories of users for whom wired headphones aren't even an option with the iPhone 7.

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    15. Re:From the department of the obvious... by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      It's an expensive, class defining accessory.

      Wireless headphones are expensive? They can be, like any product, but the last pair of wireless headphones that I bought cost only about $20.

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    16. Re: From the department of the obvious... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm pretty sure it was included in the box with the phone.

      Not if you want to charge and listen at the same time it isn't.

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    17. Re: From the department of the obvious... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      That's a completely unrelated issue to what I answered.

    18. Re: From the department of the obvious... by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      This just tells me that customers DON"T LIKE DONGLES.

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    19. Re: From the department of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the price of the dongle was baked into the total price you paid for the box and all of its contents.

    20. Re: From the department of the obvious... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      But there's still no "slight added expense of a dongle" because you have no choice whether you are buying it.

    21. Re: From the department of the obvious... by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      That's a completely unrelated issue to what I answered.

      Yet, it's an issue Apple created by getting rid of the 3.5mm headphone jack, and not replacing it with a second Lightning port, which they could have easily done.

      The market for overpriced dongles that allow charging and wired listening exists simply because Apple wanted to save a buck or two in parts from each device.

    22. Re: From the department of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >It shows that consumers really do prefer wireless audio...

      It shows people like NEW-SHINEY. At least like to try it out. It never reveals if they actually PREFER them after:
      - any amount of time
      - realizing their sound quality is less
      - loosing them
      - breaking them
      - having kids play with them
      - etc

      Interest in new-shiney does not equal true devotion or a 'market shift'. It's waaaay too early.

    23. Re: From the department of the obvious... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the huge number of headphones sold online, 50% of sales being for wireless ones seems highly unlikely.

    24. Re: From the department of the obvious... by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Wrong. Wired headphones were still possible with a dongle, but this shows that the slight added expense of a dongle and the need for a separate piece of equipment was enough to drive consumers to wireless audio. It shows that consumers really do prefer wireless audio, and even a slight increase in the difficulty of using wired headphones was enough to drive them to switch. As usual, Apple will be vindicated for their decision.

      What "added expense"?

      Apple not only included a Lightning-based headset in the box, but also included a Lightning to 3.5 mm ADAPTER CABLE in the box, too.

    25. Re: From the department of the obvious... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      No, it's that they lack courage.

    26. Re: From the department of the obvious... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Precisely! The same thing happened with the Apple Watch. I got suckered into it, a (relatively) inexpensive watch that can do all sorts of other things too sounded pretty enticing. But ultimately I just found myself just using it as a watch, for the most part you need your phone with you anyway so you just use that instead because it does way more things and is far easier to use so ultimately gave it away. I get the gimmicky aspect of it but I understand the sales plunge.

  3. One more thing to charge by ZipK · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No thanks. The wire on wired headphones has never been a problem, and adding one more thing to my kit that needs recharging is undesirable. As is a dongle. As are earphones that aren't plug-compatible with airline entertainment and other phone-jack systems.

    1. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use wireless bt headphones, the ones with super capacitors rather than batteries. The recharge time is minimal, the play time is long. I still carry wired along side them and expect a jack on my phone. Just not brave enough I suppose.

    2. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly someone doesn't go running.

      Wireless headphones are great. I use them all the time. (Well, wireless earbuds are great. Headphones are a bit bulky when running. But you get the idea.) There are a lot of things you can do where you might want to listen to music, not annoy other people, and not have wires flying around.

      That being said, I also use wired headsets all the time, because there are also times when the wire isn't an issue and you don't want to deal with recharging your headphones. In other words, you're both wrong: the 3.5mm jack is essential, and wireless headphones/earbuds are useful. There's no reason not to support both.

    3. Re:One more thing to charge by number6x · · Score: 1

      Also, a dongle is not a perfect replacement for the 3.5mm headphone jack. I often use my phone as an MP3 player while working. Charging the phone while listening to music. If the iPhone 7 replaced the 3.5mm headphone jack with a lightning port (creating an additional lightning port, that would be an improvement.

      An iPhone is not on my wish list, so this doesn't affect me. Hopefully Android phone manufacturers will not follow suit, and instead will use this as an easy way to generate more sales for themselves and gain even more market share for themselves. Because Apple has dropped a basic feature from their phones, all Android phones automatically have a feature to offer that Apple doesn't, making the Android offering more feature rich and a better deal for the consumer.

    4. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Would you like to be beheaded, castrated, disembowelled or torn apart by angry dogs? Come on, if you turn down that many options there must be something wrong with you....

    5. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is quite funny to read your response to the response. You sound like a typical fan boy who accepts, without critique, any "technological innovation" just because.the powers-that-be state that x is no longer cool but y definitely is where x = earphone jack and y = Bluetooth. What's to prevent Apple at some point in the future making x = Bluetooth and y = direct brain probing and stimulation?

      The points ZipK brings up are legitimate. There are certain environments and situations in which one CANNOT nor WANT to use Bluetooth and headsets that require batteries/recharging. Does Apple care? Probably not unless it affects their bottom line. We'll leave discussion of iPhone 7 disappointing sales for another time ....

    6. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't see how wired headphones could possibly interfere with running. Unless you leave the cord completely extended and you flail your arms around like a maniac.

    7. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are so precious.

      OF COURSE Android manufacturers will remove the headphone jack. The headphone jack has been a thorn on manufacturer's side for ages because that analogue crap is hard to cater to.

      It takes a lot of real estate for marginal gain. For all your engineering work, and all that real estate, you get a port that only outputs and receives audio to a wired device. Yay... USB and Bluetooth can already do that plus a bunch of other things, simultaneously, AND they take up less room. AND Bluetooth works without wires. The advantages of those technologies vastly outweigh the advantages of keeping the jack around.

      "But the headphone jack is standard" I hear you whine. Yeah, so was the floppy drive. After USB drives became affordable, floppy disks became a relic. Same thing will happen here.

      It just makes sense to remove that piece of crap from phones. Now everyone is just waiting for Samsung to do it. Once they do - and they will - you can kiss that obsolete piece of crap goodbye.

      Good riddance.

    8. Re:One more thing to charge by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      It is possible to get the best of both worlds. I picked up some inexpensive but solid August headphones on Amazon last year for $50. They are wireless but also have a jack to plug in a 3.5mm plug to make them wired, which I use when I fly. The battery lasts at least a week of my normal use on the train as well so it's not like I need to charge it often.

    9. Re:One more thing to charge by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      No thanks. The wire on wired headphones has never been a problem, and adding one more thing to my kit that needs recharging is undesirable. As is a dongle. As are earphones that aren't plug-compatible with airline entertainment and other phone-jack systems.

      If I know I'll be sitting down at my desk then wired is not an issue. But wireless has it place. e.g. If I'm moving around doing manual work then it's very pleasant to be able to put my phone on a shelf and move freely around the room. No wires to snag and no fumbling in a pocket to change tracks, etc. Another good use is TV: I get it via a PC connected to a flat-screen. If I want to watch something and not disturb the wife, I can use the wireles headphones.

    10. Re:One more thing to charge by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      Most running clothes come with features for cabled headphones/ear-buds. Sometimes just holes to pull the cable through, extra pocket for the device, sometimes cable routing loops or clips. I'd rather have a cable so the expensive buds don't go flying.

    11. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You forgot the part where the non-user-replaceable battery inevitably fails, rendering the device a nice shiny lump of plastic.

    12. Re:One more thing to charge by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      An iPhone is not on my wish list, so this doesn't affect me. Hopefully Android phone manufacturers will not follow suit, and instead will use this as an easy way to generate more sales for themselves and gain even more market share for themselves. Because Apple has dropped a basic feature from their phones, all Android phones automatically have a feature to offer that Apple doesn't, making the Android offering more feature rich and a better deal for the consumer.

      Apple wasn't the first to ditch the 3.5mm jack. LeEco was the first, followed by Lenovo/Motorola to release phones months ahead of Apple. So technically, Android innovated here.

      And rumors have it that Samsung is going to do the same as well.

    13. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I guess I have to go buy "Running clothes" now so that I can keep doing what humans have been doing since the beginning of time. Thanks, Apple. Err..

    14. Re:One more thing to charge by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you had to charge USB drives for awhile after every time you used them, I guarantee you that they never would have replaced floppy disks.

    15. Re:One more thing to charge by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I have to disagree. I've frequently had problems with the wiring for headphones. I went through probably half a dozen wired headset/mic combos in the course of a few years when I got married and could no longer get away with speakers all the time for my computer. I tried to always be careful of the cord and hang the headphones so there wasn't pressure on it. But inevitably the wire always developed a short inside of a year of use, with one pair shorting out at 3 months. I became a convert to wireless headphones when I found a cheapo IR pair for $40 and they lasted more than 2 years before the battery was mostly shot. Now I'm on my second set of a Logitec g930's, the first lasted 3 years before, you guessed it a wiring short inside of the headset cut off sound to the right hand side. I've heard complaints of these sets being fragile or having poor battery performance but I've experienced neither problem. Right up to the wiring short I was getting 8 hours of use between charges, and I could easily use them for an entire day of gaming if I plugged them in when I took breaks to do chores and eat meals.

      In the end I would wager that wires represent the most likely cause of failure in headphones. Reducing the amount of wiring drastically reduces the chance of a wiring failure. That said I don't support Apples decision to eliminate the headphone jack, especially when their motive seems to be entirely driven by selling $150 ear buds, when $10 cheapo wired earbuds should be just fine.

    16. Re:One more thing to charge by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      Yea, it's horrible to wear things designed for the activity you're doing. I miss chafing and having my manhood flopping around and wearing clothes that were soaked in sweat because the material absorbed rather than breathed. But hey, maybe you run naked. So there's that. Don't use sun screen either because the cavemen didn't.

    17. Re:One more thing to charge by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I think Apple has a high following of people who are have huge tactile sensitivity issues. Maybe the cord lightly flicking against the body feels like a jackhammer for some. That's the only way I can make sense of it.

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    18. Re:One more thing to charge by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Because garments typically have pockets on the sides, and many headphones are shaped such that it makes the most sense to have the cord come out of the bottom of the earpiece. So that leaves the cord in the arm's arc.

      So you have it exactly backwards; the cord isn't long enough to avoid being in the way of the arm motion. For this reason I run using a small COBY mp3 player with no screen that fits in a shirt pocket. Otherwise I'd have to choose between a back pocket, where I'd sit on it, or running the cord inside my shirt which is just not comfortable when moving a lot.

    19. Re:One more thing to charge by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Its funny, you seem to think there is just this one type of costume that is always appropriate for exercise, and traditional exercise gear didn't work, and that only naked cavemen knew how to run before polyester?

      BTW, not everybody who exercises in cotton is bothered by sweat, and certainly not everybody has problems with chafing. Generally chafing is caused by a mismatch between appropriate layers, rather than some sort of cosmic punishment for not wearing plastic.

      In fact, there are lots of people who are snobby about exercise in a different direction than you are, and would laugh heartily at the very idea of sweat being a problem during exercise.

    20. Re:One more thing to charge by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I assume that most brands that have multiple offerings will have options for both. Just as, some people buy smaller phones and some people buy bigger phones/phablets.

      Apple is the outlier in not having product differentiation.

    21. Re:One more thing to charge by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      My advice is to learn how to fix the broken connections. They don't short, though, they break. They wires themselves are coated and you can't short them easily. You would need to physically crush the plug housing to do that. The vast majority of problems are caused by breaks in the wire at the two ends. Most often inside the headphones, but sometimes at the plug.

      It usually takes less time to fix a pair than it would take to drive to the store to buy new ones. And you can usually re-tie the stress-relief knot inside the phones to give the connections a little extra slack which prevents re-breaking. I usually fix a pair one time in the first couple years, and then they work normally for many years.

    22. Re:One more thing to charge by Whorhay · · Score: 1

      I did try repairing a set once but the beak was in that part of the wire where it enters the headset and it was bonded to the bit that was meant to prevent it from bending too sharply.

      I've still got my old g930 set and plan to take it apart and see if I can fix it sometime, I just haven't gotten to it. It seems like the break though is in part of the headband which will mean fishing the wires back through once repaired. Additionally I don't have wire with which to repair it so if there isn't sufficient extra length then I've gotta buy more. By the time I consider all the time put into that, and still having to buy more materials I just decided to get a new pair seeing as how I got 3 years of good use out of them and they are regularly available for under $80.

    23. Re:One more thing to charge by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      No idea where you got "one type" from. Never said anything like that.

      No one mentioned "traditional exercise gear" or polyester.

      As for sweat, I reflected on my own experience with a bit of sarcasm. But no, I don't miss cotton absorbing sweat and becoming uncomfortable. Maybe some people like that, I don't. Clothing shouldn't act like a sponge, it should act more like skin.

      As for chafing, bloody nipples anyone? That's not because of a "mismatch between appropriate layers" unless you're considering skin to be a layer.

      All that aside though, earbuds will likely go flying. Someone is going to come up with an innovation for wireless earbuds.. a tether, much like a cable. Or we could just keep the headphone port and keep using the cable we already have. I suspect Android sales will increase due to Apple's "courage", much like Dell's laptop sales increased after the new Macbook lost most of its ports. I hear Surface sales are up too.

    24. Re:One more thing to charge by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      My advice, next time keep parsing until you understand what I'm saying, you seem to have just not understood any of it so why click reply?

      You really can't find the implied "one type" from the discussion? Really? For sure? I'll just stop there then. You should have continued parsing until you found it, then you could reply. With content.

      Yeah, most people don't get bloody nipples from exercising in regular clothes. That's a pretty... niche effect.

    25. Re:One more thing to charge by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 2

      Good luck getting literally every single hifi manufacturer to drop the 3.5mm and 6.35mm headphone jacks.

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    26. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I think Apple has a high following of people who are have huge tactile sensitivity issues. Maybe the cord lightly flicking against the body feels like a jackhammer for some. That's the only way I can make sense of it.

      I wear pocket-tees almost exclusively, and place my phone in the shirt-pocket. I don't use the wired headset/earphones with my iPhone 6 Plus very often, but I would use them more if I didn't have to constantly fight where to stuff the extra cord, so there was just enough that I didn't get "caught up short", and not so much that it didn't want to get inadvertently tangled in something and rip-out one or both of the earbuds.

      Sorry, wired headphones/headsets actually DO suck with a phone, and not because of "over-sensitivity"; but rather because of just plain annoyance.

    27. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Because garments typically have pockets on the sides, and many headphones are shaped such that it makes the most sense to have the cord come out of the bottom of the earpiece. So that leaves the cord in the arm's arc.

      So you have it exactly backwards; the cord isn't long enough to avoid being in the way of the arm motion. For this reason I run using a small COBY mp3 player with no screen that fits in a shirt pocket. Otherwise I'd have to choose between a back pocket, where I'd sit on it, or running the cord inside my shirt which is just not comfortable when moving a lot.

      Even in a shirt-pocket, it is hard to get the cable to have JUST the right amount of "slack" in it.

    28. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Most running clothes come with features for cabled headphones/ear-buds. Sometimes just holes to pull the cable through, extra pocket for the device, sometimes cable routing loops or clips. I'd rather have a cable so the expensive buds don't go flying.

      Perhaps wear a headband/bandana when out running/exercising? It will have two benefits:

      1. It will keep the sweat out of your eyes/off your damn glasses(!!!)

      2. It will keep the earbuds in your ears.

      There. TWO problems solved for the price of a headband/bandana.

    29. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      All that aside though, earbuds will likely go flying.

      $2 for a headband/bandana.

      Sweat problem solved (for your face and eyes at least). Earbud-ejection problem solved.

      Ta-da!

    30. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Yeah, most people don't get bloody nipples from exercising in regular clothes. That's a pretty... niche effect.

      He only gets them when "exercising" in the sling...

    31. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      You are so precious.

      OF COURSE Android manufacturers will remove the headphone jack. The headphone jack has been a thorn on manufacturer's side for ages because that analogue crap is hard to cater to.

      It takes a lot of real estate for marginal gain. For all your engineering work, and all that real estate, you get a port that only outputs and receives audio to a wired device. Yay... USB and Bluetooth can already do that plus a bunch of other things, simultaneously, AND they take up less room. AND Bluetooth works without wires. The advantages of those technologies vastly outweigh the advantages of keeping the jack around.

      "But the headphone jack is standard" I hear you whine. Yeah, so was the floppy drive. After USB drives became affordable, floppy disks became a relic. Same thing will happen here.

      It just makes sense to remove that piece of crap from phones. Now everyone is just waiting for Samsung to do it. Once they do - and they will - you can kiss that obsolete piece of crap goodbye.

      Good riddance.

      This. All of it.

    32. Re:One more thing to charge by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      As long as the cord is long enough you just let it hang. I have seen many people doing this, I've done it. Why do you have so much trouble with it? Maybe it's a special snowflake issue. I can understand if you're in a gym and you're lying down to do bench press or something, but you just let it hang and it doesn't get in the way unless your cord is twice as long as you are tall or something.

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    33. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Good luck getting literally every single hifi manufacturer to drop the 3.5mm and 6.35mm headphone jacks.

      ARE there any REAL "hifi" manufacturers anymore? Almost everything under $3500 is integrated chip amplifier-based crap. It's the only way to cost-effectively (and PCB-size-effectively) achieve the SEVEN power amplifiers needed for 7.1 (the LFE is almost never presented as a speaker output) for your typical $250 "Surround A/V Receiver".

      And I think that some of those have actually dropped the analog headphone out. I personally can't remember the last time I walked across my livingroom to plug in a set of headphones, or even if my Arcam receiver HAS a headphone jack.

    34. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      I assume that most brands that have multiple offerings will have options for both. Just as, some people buy smaller phones and some people buy bigger phones/phablets.

      Apple is the outlier in not having product differentiation.

      Sorry, everyone copies Apple. Even if they aren't "first". Where Apple goes, so goes the industry.

      That's not conceit or fanboyism. It is historical fact.

    35. Re:One more thing to charge by Freultwah · · Score: 1

      Not one piece of my running equipment has those features, and I have quite a few. I did use wired headphones for running for a long time, so I am speaking from extensive experience that they are a frigging nuisance to route, they dangle, they weigh on the headphones and pull them out, they needlessly expose the phone to the elements, etc. Plantronics Backbeat Fit all the way, baby.

    36. Re:One more thing to charge by Freultwah · · Score: 1

      The wire on wired headphones has never been a problem

      No, you got it wrong. The *plug* has never been a problem. The wire has been a huge problem. I have had to throw away many pairs of headphones with broken cables. Had to change the cable at least ten times. Cannot count the times when I've needed to fix the damn wire (one infinitely thin thread, damn nigh unfixable) and finally ended up with a butt ugly concoction that ultimately always breaks. No. The plug is fine and it was a shite move by Apple to get rid of it, I don't like it. But the wires, they have always been a problem. They break. A lot.

    37. Re:One more thing to charge by Freultwah · · Score: 1

      I don't know whether you are arguing about the same kind of exercise (running and pumping iron don't require the same kind of attire), but I must say that having changed my running outfit from random five to ten year old t-shirts found in the ‘maybe good for wearing while home alone’ pile to clothing designed for running (initially mainly because I received it as a gift), I am never going back to the worn tees. It was utter pain running in +30C while wearing a chafing t-shirt that weighed half a kilo and got heavier every minute. The nipple issue was not pronounced (i.e. not bloody, but it still hurt), but I have had to miss a week of running because of bloody legs caused by cotton chafing. It's a real issue for runners, and marathon and ultra runners often cover their strategic body parts with vaseline or the like to minimise the risk of bloody thighs, for example. Plus, as long as we're here, while sweating is pretty much a welcome byproduct of exercise, it can also be a big problem when it hits your eyes (AND you've got nothing to wipe it off with because everything you're wearing is a sweat sponge).

      So the snobby people can laugh all they want while having sexual intercourse with themselves, it does not change anything. Specially designed clothing is better suited for the purpose than random stuff haphazardly thrown together. That said, moving one's arse in random clothing is infinitely better than not moving it at all.

    38. Re:One more thing to charge by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICs. Only batshit insane woo-woo audiophiles insist on fully discrete designs.

      An IC can have so much higher precision, tighter tolerances, higher efficiency and significantly better noise+distortion characteristics than even the best discrete designs, and at a fraction of the price.

      All of that music you like to use when you're listening to your stereo? It passed through hundreds, if not thousands of ICs when it was recorded and produced, with absolutely no sonic degradation.

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    39. Re:One more thing to charge by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICs. Only batshit insane woo-woo audiophiles insist on fully discrete designs.

      An IC can have so much higher precision, tighter tolerances, higher efficiency and significantly better noise+distortion characteristics than even the best discrete designs, and at a fraction of the price.

      All of that music you like to use when you're listening to your stereo? It passed through hundreds, if not thousands of ICs when it was recorded and produced, with absolutely no sonic degradation.

      There is absolutely nothing wrong with ICs. Only batshit insane woo-woo audiophiles insist on fully discrete designs.

      An IC can have so much higher precision, tighter tolerances, higher efficiency and significantly better noise+distortion characteristics than even the best discrete designs, and at a fraction of the price.

      All of that music you like to use when you're listening to your stereo? It passed through hundreds, if not thousands of ICs when it was recorded and produced, with absolutely no sonic degradation.

      I agree that there is nothing better as far as low-level opamps than the single-die construction of ICs. The fact that everything is sitting in close proximity, at the same temperature, with the same gain, is the perfect storm (in a good way) for differential amplifiers. No question there. And we have long-ago solved the current-foldback and slew-rate issues in overly-agressive negative feedback designs in low-level IC audio amplifiers.

      HOWEVER, these advantages can easily break down when we get to the high-current requirements of POWER stages. The problem becomes getting enough current into, and out of, the dinky little pins that even most "Power" ICs have. Yes, I know that chip designers just gang-up a bunch of pins and call it good. But it really isn't the same. And when stuff starts suffering from power-starvation from instantaneous current-slugs overwhelming what you can deliver via reasonable PCB traces and IC-like pins, relative to what you can deliver to a TO-3 or (even better) a D-Pack discrete power transistor, can make all the difference.

      Audio "Transparency" (ultra-low transient distortion and high slew-rate) all comes down to to keeping the impedance of the "power-supply" parts of the components, PCB, and other circuitry as low as possible, so that, no matter what, there is ALWAYS a "solid rail" no matter where you reference your "scope ground", and no matter where you stick the probe. You should NEVER be able to see "pertrubations" on that supply-rail, NO MATTER WHAT, or you have instantly LOST. Therefore, each and every precious milliohm removed really DOES make a big, big difference. Yes, it's somewhat of a PITA to balance the load on multiple discrete output transistors; but the methods for doing so are well understood, and time-proven.

      That's not esoteric audiopile bullshit. That's "power electronics" design rules applied to audio reproduction.

      Bottom line: Without getting into an entire whitepaper on power amp design, IMHO, Unless you can pump your power rails up to a few hundred volts (which then puts is out of the range of IC integrated power amps anyway, I think), I honestly don't think you can make as good of a POWER stage with those integrated amps for output power over a few tens-of-watts (ballpark figure), as you can with discrete output transistors, regardless of the technology or topology involved.

  4. Apple theme song by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8aJG1f815Q

  5. Re:Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Bluetooth headsets are hardly "innovation" at this point and adding an incompatible proprietary chip "the W1 - oh, the courage" isn't good for anyone either. BT audio isn't good. It stutters, stumbles, pops, and cracks - even with "good" headsets. If they want to innovate - either fix BT audio or come up with some new standard as part of an open standards body and be the first to ship an implementation of that.

  6. Re:Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Despite all the whining on Slashdot, this will advance Bluetooth audio, driving lower cost for headphones and encouraging innovation to improve sound quality. Apple got this right, and the increase in sales proves it. Complain if you must, but Apple is still driving innovation while other companies prefer to keep the status quo.

    Yeah, just like improvements in our phone systems have made phones more reliable.

    Wait,

    What?!?!

  7. Re:Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Despite all the whining on Slashdot, this will advance Bluetooth audio, driving lower cost for headphones and encouraging innovation to improve sound quality. Apple got this right, and the increase in sales proves it. Complain if you must, but Apple is still driving innovation while other companies prefer to keep the status quo.

    No, this is not an "advancement". Recompressing compressed audio is not a good thing. Real audio is dying and so called innovators like Apple is accelerating it.

    I absolutely loathe lossy compressed audio. I can't stand it. High frequencies sound like shit. Cymbals are garbled beyond recognition. It's worse than vinyl records with their RIAA equalization.

  8. Re: Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Now, if humanity could just solve that pesky problem we have with stagnated battery capacity technologies vs increasing power demands.

    I have a smart watch and stopted using it largely due to keeping track of various devices power levels and plugging them in. Keeping track of my phone, laptop, and occasional DSLR are enough with all other responsibiltiies daily life requires. I don't know about most people but I quite enjoy headphones that don't require independent power.

    Wireless is nice occasionally but outside of intense cardio/exercise (which I prefer using so cheap they're disposable headphones for anyways), I don't have much use for wireless headphones. The cost of overhead to manage power and additional expense to remove wiring is usually enough to dissuade me.

  9. Why did they do it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because they own Beats, the world's largest wireless headphone manufacturer. They're playing us for suckers.

  10. Re:The Manchurine Candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why am I not surprised that slashdot is not covering the Trump-Russia controversy, which is massively significant regardless of whether it is true. Either Trump is a tool of the Russians or he is at war with our own intelligence agencies. This shit is important but slashdot is too busy talking about Apple's headphones.

    Dude, it looks like the CIA got trolled by 4chan - and put that fake news data into the actual daily brief given to not just Trump, but to President Obama.

    And then turned around and leaked that to the press.

    If so, Trump SHOULD be at war with them.

  11. Re: The Manchurine Candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I propose your sarcasm is either jedi level, you're trolling, or you're being serious.

    Putting aside the fact your post is completely irrelevant, there are plenty of places to go read about and discuss the ongoing circuit that is Trump. This really isn't the place.

    In addition, there has been no verifiable evidence on the topic you're so keen to discuss, only some rumors, so beyond generating conspiracy theories at this point, most related discussion is silly at this point--unless of course you're a news network and want to drive up ratings by peddling infotainment.

  12. That number is very skewed by randomErr · · Score: 1
    Yes, sales went up 50% but the volume hasn't changed that much. Here is why:
    • - Wireless Headphones cost more because of the electronics and batteries and the base to support both. So the cost is more as volume go up.
    • - The overall cost to produce has gone done some they cost a bit less to buy.
    • - It's mainly a very small but dedicated group of Apple product owners that is buying these headphones
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  13. Totally false by SpiceWare · · Score: 4, Informative
    My iPhone 7 came with *both* wired EarPods and an adapter for legacy headsets.

    From iPhone 7 Tech Specs

    In the Box
    ...
    EarPods with Lightning Connector
    Lightning to 3.5 mm Headphone Jack Adapter
    ...

    1. Re:Totally false by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      My iPhone 7 came with *both* wired EarPods and an adapter for legacy headsets.

      Only an Apple fan would use the term "legacy" in reference to a 3.5mm headphone jack.

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    2. Re:Totally false by Arkham · · Score: 1

      Only an Apple fan would use the term "legacy" in reference to a 3.5mm headphone jack.

      Actually legacy is a good way to put it. The headphone jack dates back to 1878. .

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    3. Re:Totally false by Maritz · · Score: 1

      Legacy means dead and gone, or heading that way. It will take more than a bit of courage from Apple to kill the 3.5mm headphone jack.

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    4. Re:Totally false by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Your definition of legacy is not the common usage.

      Legacy is old and outdated, but still hanging around on some systems, especially older ones.

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    5. Re:Totally false by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Be it as it may, outside the sheltered walled garden of Apple the 3.5 jack is anything but outdated.

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    6. Re:Totally false by shmlco · · Score: 2

      In the Android camp, phones like Lenovo's Moto Z and Moto Z Force and China's LeEco have already scrapped the 3.5mm headphone jack; to listen to music on the company's three latest phones, users need to plug in USB Type-C headphones, go wireless, or use a dongle.

      The writing is on the wall.

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    7. Re:Totally false by shmlco · · Score: 1

      Also, rumor mill says the Samsung Galaxy S8 will also be USB-C only.

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    8. Re:Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their iPhone sales stagnated for the first time ever. It might have had an effect.

    9. Re:Totally false by Ayanami_R · · Score: 1

      as long as there is some sort of affordable wired solution then fine. I haven't looked at any usb-c earbuds, but if I can't get a set for 20 bucks then I'll wait.

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    10. Re:Totally false by SpiceWare · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Legacy Port

      A legacy port is a computer port or connector that is considered by some to be fully or partially superseded.

      On the iPhone the 3.5mm headphone jack has been fully superseded by lightning and wireless. As such, legacy is the appropriate term to use in a discussion about iPhones and analog headphone jacks.

    11. Re:Totally false by AmiMoJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The 3.5mm jack is actually a great connector.

      It's round so no orientation issues and you can rotate the plug. It's robust. It's waterproof. It's universal. You can send data and analogue audio over it at the same time, supporting everything from the most basic analogue systems to high end digital and everything in between. There are millions of accessories for it. It's easy to fix. It just works. It's extremely cheap.

      If it has any weakness, it's that it doesn't offer an easy way to supply power. But then again neither does wireless, and it doesn't need power for headphones and small speakers.

      There is a reason the 3.5mm jack remains so popular.

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    12. Re:Totally false by Cmdln+Daco · · Score: 1

      Legacy means dead and gone, or heading that way. It will take more than a bit of courage from Apple to kill the 3.5mm headphone jack.

      "In Soviet Russia 3.5mm headphone jack kills Apple."

      We can hope, anyway, though it will probably just be a contributing factor.

    13. Re:Totally false by fluffernutter · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Legacy means there is an adequate replacement today, that does the same thing or better for cheaper.

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    14. Re:Totally false by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bread has existed since 1000BC. Are you calling hamburger buns 'legacy' ?

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    15. Re:Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tru dat. And let's be honest, anything wired is heading for obsolescence. Bluetooth and wifi is the future.

    16. Re:Totally false by adolf · · Score: 1

      There is bias voltage available on the second ring of a TRRS connector, as it is necessary for the condenser microphone used for wired headsets.

      It's not much in terms of voltage or current availability, but it's plenty for numerous companies to have manufactured credit card readers with active electronics that are powered entirely by it.

    17. Re:Totally false by arth1 · · Score: 1

      1/4" TRS jacks is what many prefer for headphones, because 1/4" plugs is what most high end headphones come with.
      The 3.5mm jack is acceptable where space doesn't allow for a full plug, but otherwise, the bigger 1/4" rules.

    18. Re:Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He who writes on bathroom walls
      Rolls his shit into little balls.
      Those who read these words of wit
      Eat the little balls of shit.

    19. Re:Totally false by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      If it has any weakness, it's that it doesn't offer an easy way to supply power.

      Nonsense, you can use phantom power just fine with a 3.5mm jack. The only reason that it isn't usually done is that most quality mics have 1/4" jacks.

      Some preamps have both 3.5mm and 1/4" jacks which are connected together and so if you turn on phantom power it is available on the 3.5mm.

    20. Re:Totally false by sr180 · · Score: 1

      My HTC 3600i scrapped the headphone jack - you also had to use USB headphones or and adapter. This was running windows mobile 5 and in 2005. It sucked then. It sucks now. Its not a 'feature' I'll happily go back to.

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      In Soviet Russia the insensitive clod is YOU!
    21. Re: Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quality microphones have XLRs.

    22. Re: Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even high quality headphones tend to use 3.5mm to interface with 3.5mm sockets as an adapter to step up to 6.35mm is robust but one to step down to 3.5mm, unless it comes with a length of intervening cord, can increase the likelihood of damage to the 3.5mm socket should force be applied to the 6.35mm jack and adapter combination.

    23. Re: Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A product can become legacy even if it is replaced by something inferior or more expensive.

    24. Re:Totally false by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Fuck no. I refuse to buy a phone that doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack.

      --
      Eat the rich.
    25. Re:Totally false by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      My iPhone 7 came with *both* wired EarPods and an adapter for legacy headsets.

      Only an Apple fan would use the term "legacy" in reference to a 3.5mm headphone jack.

      And when Samsung uses the same term this year when the S8 comes out with only a USB-C connector, and (likely) an adapter for 3.5 mm "legacy" 'phones, what will you say then?

    26. Re:Totally false by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Legacy means dead and gone, or heading that way. It will take more than a bit of courage from Apple to kill the 3.5mm headphone jack.

      You're right.

      It will take all the Apple-wannabes like Samsung, LG, etc. to follow suit. A change that is already in progress, BTW...

      Oh, and never forget, Apple wasn't the first to ditch the 3.5 mm jack.

    27. Re:Totally false by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Your definition of legacy is not the common usage.

      Legacy is old and outdated, but still hanging around on some systems, especially older ones.

      Kinda sounds EXACTLY right.

    28. Re:Totally false by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Be it as it may, outside the sheltered walled garden of Apple the 3.5 jack is anything but outdated.

      Just wait.

    29. Re:Totally false by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      The 3.5mm jack is actually a great connector.

      It's round so no orientation issues and you can rotate the plug. It's robust. It's waterproof. It's universal. You can send data and analogue audio over it at the same time, supporting everything from the most basic analogue systems to high end digital and everything in between. There are millions of accessories for it. It's easy to fix. It just works. It's extremely cheap.

      If it has any weakness, it's that it doesn't offer an easy way to supply power. But then again neither does wireless, and it doesn't need power for headphones and small speakers.

      There is a reason the 3.5mm jack remains so popular.

      3 pin XLR "microphone" connectors are used to supply 48V "phantom power" to condenser microphones all over the world. So, there is no intrinsic reason why the same sort of concept couldn't be adapted (no pun) for the 3 or 4 conductor 3.5 mm "phone" connector.

      Having said that, the 3.5 mm connector is an intermittent piece of shit, and I, for one, are glad to see it (finally!) go.

    30. Re:Totally false by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      1/4" TRS jacks is what many prefer for headphones, because 1/4" plugs is what most high end headphones come with. The 3.5mm jack is acceptable where space doesn't allow for a full plug, but otherwise, the bigger 1/4" rules.

      But regardless of the size; both have the same intrinsic problems of becoming intermittent.

    31. Re:Totally false by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Fuck no. I refuse to buy a phone that doesn't have a 3.5mm headphone jack.

      Then you'd better hurry and buy your LAST PHONE right now!

    32. Re:Totally false by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Legacy means there is an adequate replacement today, that does the same thing or better for cheaper.

      It IS already "better". It WILL soon be "cheaper".

    33. Re:Totally false by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      How is it better? Wireless headphones give you something else that needs to be charged frequently, and their life span is limited to the life of the battery. Far more inconvenient for many uses and much worse for the environment since they are basically now a consumable. The provided lightning connector headphones are obviously also far less convenient for anyone except those only using them on the phone. Dongles are something else to keep with you and lose.

      So what about this is better or even equal?

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    34. Re:Totally false by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      Nah, they'll still be around.

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      Eat the rich.
    35. Re: Totally false by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      I guess so, but only because of modern day capitalism which depends more upon whether a company can make money from it than if people like it.

      --
      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    36. Re:Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My iPhone 7 came with *both* wired EarPods and an adapter for legacy headsets.

      Great! How do you charge your phone while listening to audio on a 3.5mm headset? On my iPhone 6 that's an easy thing to do.

      crickets....

    37. Re:Totally false by samwichse · · Score: 1

      Man, I use slices of sweet potato* for my hamburgers. Don't talk to me about this legacy "bread" crap.

      *Note, no, I don't.

    38. Re: Totally false by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use to have a $50 shit Phone for a month or so while I was waiting for a new phone.

      It came with a mini-Usb headphone jack, removable battery. It also has resistive touch screen back 4 years ago.

      Lol

  14. Ligtning Cable by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They didn't sell many lightning cables before Apple made it a standard either.

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    "That's the way to do it" - Punch
  15. what's in the box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iphone 7
    lightning > 3.5mm female dongle
    3.5mm male ear buds

    your existing headphones work with iP7 w/ dongle
    your headphones will still work with all other 3.5mm devices w/o dongle
    your wireless headphones will work with iP7

    plug the dongle on your old wired headphones and leave it there, "problem" solved

    what exactly are people still bitching about?

    1. Re:what's in the box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what exactly are people still bitching about?

      your existing headphones work with iP7 w/ dongle

      I don't want to use a dongle.

      your headphones will still work with all other 3.5mm devices w/o dongle

      Which highlights why a new standard is not necessary - the existing one is universal and functions perfectly as is.

      plug the dongle on your old wired headphones and leave it there, "problem" solved

      Any solution that resorts to a dongle is a half-measure at best. There was no legitimate consumer reason for the switch to lightning only. It is nothing but an attempt to get consumers to buy more products that they don't need to make something work almost as well as it did before the change. Cash grab.

  16. Re: Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can't hear cymbols on Bluetooth headphones?! WTF?! What's the point of listening if you can't even hear an instrument?

  17. Re:Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    seriously?
    because when you're ready to sit down for a hi-fi musical experience on the train to work while listening to a podcast...of course you'd want to pull out your vinyl rig and gold plugs to make it sound better?

    oh right, your phone is typically a storage unit for portable music and/or streaming
    if you want a dedicated elite lossless gold-plated music listening experience get one of those absurd toblerone looking pono players

  18. Pretty low... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple stoops to hijacking the headphone market. They are self destructing pretty good.

  19. Re:Apple did the right thing by chispito · · Score: 1

    Despite all the whining on Slashdot, this will advance Bluetooth audio, driving lower cost for headphones and encouraging innovation to improve sound quality. Apple got this right, and the increase in sales proves it.

    The increase in sales only proves that significant portion of the market that was previously content with corded headphones no longer has that option.

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    The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
  20. Meh, what's a good Bluetooth dongle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Meh. What's a good Bluetooth dongle that can drive a pair of 600 Ohm Beyerdynamic DT880's?

    1. Re: Meh, what's a good Bluetooth dongle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, that was facetious, they don't leave the studio.

      Driving a pair of Audio Technica M50X would suffice.

    2. Re: Meh, what's a good Bluetooth dongle by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      As a wild guess this one: http://www.eastbrooklynlabs.co...

    3. Re: Meh, what's a good Bluetooth dongle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Damn, that's actually pretty slick. Thanks!

  21. Re:Apple did the right thing by shmlco · · Score: 1

    What's with the "incompatible" proprietary chip remark? The W1 helps automatic pairing with iOS and OS X devices, but AirPods are entirely compatible with older iPhones, iPads, Macs, and even Android phones. They work better with Apple devices, but Bluetooth is Bluetooth.

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    Any sect, cult, or religion will legislate its creed into law if it acquires the political power to do so.
  22. Re:Apple did the right thing for Apple by fisted · · Score: 1

    Despite all the whining on Slashdot, this will advance Bluetooth audio

    And DRM'ed, "protected media path" audio will also see a huge advance now that we finally got rid of that pesky analog audio transmission.

    driving lower cost for headphones and encouraging innovation to improve sound quality.

    Ha ha hahahahahahahahahah. Dream on.

    Apple got this right, and the increase in sales proves it.

    From a business POV, sure. You, as in the Apple customer, are getting assraped, though, and you seem to even appreciate it. Give me a break.

    Apple is still driving innovation while other companies prefer to keep the status quo.

    The status quo was pretty much fine. Not everything that's being newly introduced (while breaking things left and right, of course), is "innovation" in the good-connotations sense of the word.

    Enjoy your fancy innovative products. I won't.

  23. Except for the earbuds that came in the box? by Brannon · · Score: 1

    Seriously, what do you get out of lying on the internet?

    1. Re:Except for the earbuds that came in the box? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Karma?

  24. the iPhone 7 comes with wired earbuds by Brannon · · Score: 1

    And most of the people buying AirPods don't have iPhone 7s, I'm using AirPods with my iPhone 6.

  25. Just like windows 10! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Numerous users have upgraded! Its seems the public loves it and cant wait for more windows 10!!!!*

    *automatic upgrade

  26. Irony by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The people buying these wireless headphones because of Apple obviously don't care about the quality of the music that they listen to, yet they're likely to listen to more music than their counterparts. What better way to listen to music than by transcoding into a crappy lossy over-bluetooth codec (hint: the iPhone 7 doesn't support aptX)

    So we now have the situation where people are paying far more to get far worse quality than they started with (although if they're dumb enough to buy Beats they deserve what's coming to them anyway....)

  27. Re: The Manchurine Candidate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I propose your sarcasm is either jedi level, you're trolling, or you're being serious.

    Putting aside the fact your post is completely irrelevant, there are plenty of places to go read about and discuss the ongoing circuit that is Trump. This really isn't the place.

    In addition, there has been no verifiable evidence on the topic you're so keen to discuss, only some rumors, so beyond generating conspiracy theories at this point, most related discussion is silly at this point--unless of course you're a news network and want to drive up ratings by peddling infotainment.

    The butthurt is strong in GP poster

  28. Re:Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    None of your post advocates deliberate regression.

  29. Re:People gonna be sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People gonna be sad when they learn that the wireless headphone
    won't work since iApple built their spec on Bluetooh 6.2, not due
    to be supported by the headphone mfgrs until Q2 2018.

    CAP === 'record'

  30. Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headhones by Noishkel · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In case no one noticed Apple bought Beats audio, who controls pretty much the entire wireless headphone market. Fast forward a year or so and now Apple ONLY sells devices that can use wireless headphones in their most popular product.

    Do any of you Apple fanatics NOT see that Apple screwed you by removing a port and FORCING you into the wireless headphone market they own most of? Personally t's this kind of CRAP from Apple that made me completely abandon that entire eco-system years ago.

  31. sound from an iPhone 7 by unixisc · · Score: 1

    As others have pointed out, there are 4 ways one could listen to something:

    1. Using the sound directly from the phone itself;

    2. Using the lightning connector headphones that come w/ the phone;

    3. Using an existing headphone or speaker via the aux to lightning dongle that comes w/ the phone;

    4. Using a bluetooth speaker

  32. Re:The Manchurine Candidate by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Oh, just fuck yourself!!! As it is, we've had enough of Trump coverage. Slashdot is (or at least was) a tech site, and Apple headphones are certainly more relevant to tech than some stupid Buzzfeed story on the PEOTUS

  33. Courage by mea2214 · · Score: 2

    Tim Cook deserves a "Profiles in Courage" award.

    1. Re:Courage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tim Cook deserves a "Profiles in Courage" award.

      Nope. He deserves the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

  34. Wireless headset with wired option? by swb · · Score: 1

    Has anyone figured this out yet?

    It seems like it would be kind of obvious, a 3.5mm female jack on the headset itself and a M-M 3.5mm cable to use with devices without bluetooth. The jack would just bypass all the BT electronics and go direct to the speakers.

    That way when the battery quit or you had something without a BT option, you could just plug in. Might even be useful for crudely mixing a BT source and an analog source simultaneously.

    1. Re:Wireless headset with wired option? by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      My Sony XB950BT headphones do exactly that. Though I haven't tested what happens if the battery in them dies and I try just the wired connection. But they do work for wired/wireless as desired. Rechargeable from a micro USB connection like most Android phones, but strangely does not work wirelessly with a PS4.

    2. Re:Wireless headset with wired option? by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Has anyone figured this out yet?

      It seems like it would be kind of obvious, a 3.5mm female jack on the headset itself and a M-M 3.5mm cable to use with devices without bluetooth. The jack would just bypass all the BT electronics and go direct to the speakers.

      That way when the battery quit or you had something without a BT option, you could just plug in. Might even be useful for crudely mixing a BT source and an analog source simultaneously.

      There's quite a few headphones that support wired and wireless. Usually they're more upscale, but the Bose QC35 has both wireless and wired support, as do many Sony wireless headphones.

      They're not hard to find. Maybe not on your cheap $50 bluetooth headphones, but the quality ones have wired options. Some are even multi-wired. Wireless (Bluetooth), Wired (3.5mm) and Wired USB (not just for charging, but for audio data as well).

    3. Re: Wireless headset with wired option? by nastyphil · · Score: 1

      Marshall Major Bluetooth II do exactly this. And when using them wirelessly the jack becomes an output, so you can share, or us them as a BT receiver for an amp.

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    4. Re:Wireless headset with wired option? by vakuona · · Score: 1

      My Sennheisers do that.

    5. Re:Wireless headset with wired option? by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      I think the Philips Fidelio M2BTs do that. They're actually quite nice, shame about the price, though.

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      Eat the rich.
    6. Re:Wireless headset with wired option? by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      All Bluetooth headphones I've ever owned, be it the cheap and crappy Motorola HT820, the somewhat better Philips SHB9250, cheap but good August EP650 and the quite expensive Sennheiser Momentum 2.0 Wireless, had either a 3.5mm or a 2.5mm port precisely for that.

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  35. BT headphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, kids sure do like those shitty Beats headphones.

  36. Extortion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The force you to buy expensive high margin earphone because the phone cannot use anything else. I wear out a pair of regular head phones it's 10 bucks. They sell theirs for 160. Heck, replace the cheap ones 4x as often and still saving money.

    Nope, not bending over.

  37. Apple again? by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    apple again? Fuck apple/ I have a Samsung with a REAL audio jack

    1. Re:Apple again? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess your next phone won't be an S8 then, when Samsung demonstrate the courage to continue copying Apple and drop the 3.5mm audio jack.

      Captcha: Grandma :)

    2. Re:Apple again? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Samsung literally copy everything Apple do. I've got an LG G3 and I don't plan to ever upgrade unless necessary. Screw buying the "latest model" so I can get a shittier phone.

  38. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

    Do any of you Apple fanatics NOT see that Apple screwed you by removing a port and FORCING you into the wireless headphone market they own most of?

    Just give up the argument. There are those who have bought into the Apple "mystique" and those who haven't. To the former, it will always be "But Apple is being BOLD, moving on to new tech!" To the latter, like you, there will always be the most cynical interpretation, where everything is about profits. Just like the pro-life/pro-choice debate, the two sides are operating from completely different premises about the world.

    No, if we really want to change people's minds, we need to revisit the Apple propaganda of the past couple decades. I'm sure many of us remember those "Mac vs. PC" commercials that ran for many years with the cool hip guy as the Mac and the stodgy guy in a jacket and tie as the PC.

    I really don't understand why no one has made a new parody of those considering the loss of standard ports on so many Apple devices recently. Does anyone remember those Mac vs. PC commercials where the Mac was the "cool guy" who could just talk to anyone, whereas the PC wasn't prepared to interface with various gadgets?

    Time to turn that around.

    Commercial opens with Mac dressed in cool outfit saying to PC, "Hey, look how slim and sleek I am!" Then some other people appear, and the PC just starts going around shaking hands and talking to everyone. But Mac disappears off-screen and comes back wearing all sorts of crap hanging off of him everywhere. He tries to go around and shake people's hands and talk to them, but he can't find the right piece of random mechanical junk hanging off of him to make it work. Finally, the Mac guy asks the PC guy for "tech support" and the PC guy helps rummage through a giant box of dongles to find the right one. The PC guy pulls it out and says, "Here it is -- and only $29.99!"

    Unless someone starts producing ads like that, this Apple crap will have no chance of stopping. In a few years, we'll have dongles upon dongles just to use a 5-year-old computer with a new Apple device.

  39. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Jaegs · · Score: 0

    Hmmm... while not as convenient, Apple bundled a stereo jack adapter with every phone, so your argument of Apple "FORCING" people into the wireless market is a bit bunk.

    Personally, I've been using wireless headsets with my devices for a couple of years now, so I find the whole outrage a bit manufactured.

  40. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by wickerprints · · Score: 2

    Removing the headphone jack was annoying and regressive; on that we can agree. Samsung is likely to remove it to the S8, in response to Apple, and that makes it all the more frustrating.

    Beats are crap. I refuse to buy any of those headphones. I got a pair as a gift for Christmas--wireless, natch--and I haven't taken the shrink wrap off. I intend to sell it.

    I bought Jaybirds years before Apple removed the jack. They work great, but they're not perfect. So I'm not sure where you're coming from when you say that Beats controls the wireless headphone market. People have been buying other brands long before the iPhone 7.

    Apple has very clearly lost its way, but it's not like their acquisition of Beats and removal of the headphone jack was planned specifically so that they would force adoption of hideous and overpriced wireless pieces of shit. Well, at least I don't think that's the case.

  41. Re:Apple did the right thing by omnichad · · Score: 1

    A2DP technically supports streaming AAC and MP3 directly. You don't have to recompress most music formats. If you're allowing for 300+kbps, you aren't going to have any audio quality issues worse than listening through earbuds in the first place.

  42. Plantronics BackBeat Pro by AF_Cheddar_Head · · Score: 1

    Good headphones and work just the way you describe with excellent Noice Cancelling also.

    Big and ugly but I use mine all the time.

  43. That makes a lot of sense by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    And it's not because of Apple, it's a logical development.

    Who buys headphones? Well, people who need new ones because the old ones are dead and/or sound like shit. Headphones are not really an item you buy due to fashion changing. Well, most people don't, I know that there are certainly some that have to have headphones that match the color and style of their handbag, but let's go with the sane majority.

    So you have the choice between cordless and corded headphones. What will be the decider here is probably price, availability and quality. Cordless is certainly more convenient than corded (anyone who ever had to weave headphone cords through his jacket so they don't get caught in any doorknob will know). Quality should be on par by now, too. So why not buy cordless if they're halfway decently priced?

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    1. Re:That makes a lot of sense by radl33t · · Score: 1

      The entire beats brand is a counterpoint to your argument.

    2. Re:That makes a lot of sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beats are for blacks.

  44. Re:Apple did the right thing for Apple by omnichad · · Score: 1

    And DRM'ed, "protected media path" audio will also see a huge advance now that we finally got rid of that pesky analog audio transmission.

    You know even Apple went DRM-free with music sales years ago.

    Spotify and Tidal both implement noisy steganography tracking data into their streams. Protected path is probably not as profitable as just suing the people who file share their copies of the streamed audio.

  45. Nothing Has Changed by HannethCom · · Score: 1

    How do you know Apple customers don't like being ass raped? Considering that has been the whole history of the company, I can only guess that their customers must enjoy it. At work I was forced to use a Windows 3.11 machine (Mac) and I don't like it. It is very opionated on how you should do things. Unfortunately Windows 8, 8.1 & 10 are also wanting to tell us how we should work these days as well.

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    1. Re:Nothing Has Changed by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      How do you know Apple customers don't like being ass raped? Considering that has been the whole history of the company, I can only guess that their customers must enjoy it. At work I was forced to use a Windows 3.11 machine (Mac) and I don't like it. It is very opionated on how you should do things. Unfortunately Windows 8, 8.1 & 10 are also wanting to tell us how we should work these days as well.

      What in the HELL does Windows 3.11 (or any other Windows version) have to do with a Mac???

  46. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by omnichad · · Score: 1

    Unless someone starts producing ads like that, this Apple crap will have no chance of stopping.

    PC is a Microsoft Surface with the same problems.

  47. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Schnapple · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fast forward a year or so and now Apple ONLY sells devices that can use wireless headphones in their most popular product.

    You can plug in your old headphones using the adapter they include in the box (and sell replacements for $9), or you can use the wired Lightning Cable EarPods they also... include in the box. Heck, they sell replacements for those too.

    I get that you're mad but your assertion that you can ONLY use wireless headphones is false in more ways than one.

    And as for being mad that they bought a wireless headphone company and then did something to encourage usage of wireless headphones? That just says you don't understand how hardware companies work. Especially if you don't think every other phone manufacturer isn't about to do the same.

  48. In other news... by wickerprints · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Sales of dongles soar after Apple removes MacBook Pro ports"

    I can see what's next:

    "Sales of external battery packs soar after Apple eliminates batteries from all products to make them 2 mm thinner"

    "Sales of wireless keyboards soar after Apple removes keyboard from MacBooks to make them 1 mm thinner"

    "Sales of trackpads, displays, and logic boards soar after Apple announces new MacBook Pro is an empty cardboard box; calls it 'our most innovative and courageous product ever'"

    1. Re:In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, they've come quite close in the past:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BnLbv6QYcA
      Therefore I have full faith that Apple can fully implement the cerebrial-plug that requires no expensive screens, keyboards, or dongles... and therefore is most affordable.

          (one year later)

      WHAT?!? IT'S A MILLION DOLLARS FOR JUST THE CEREBRIAL-PLUG?
      Why yes sir. That is a proprietary product that only Apple sells. Well they bought the company that invented it, shut them down, and buried the patent- fighting against copy-cat devices the whole way... but yes the 'computer' is merely one hundred dollars but the cerebrial-plug is one million. Will that be Apple-Wallet or your First Born?
      FIRST BORN! TAKE 'EM I'LL MAKE ANOTHER!

  49. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

    In case no one noticed Apple bought Beats audio, who controls pretty much the entire wireless headphone market. Fast forward a year or so and now Apple ONLY sells devices that can use wireless headphones in their most popular product.

    Do any of you Apple fanatics NOT see that Apple screwed you by removing a port and FORCING you into the wireless headphone market they own most of? Personally t's this kind of CRAP from Apple that made me completely abandon that entire eco-system years ago.

    TFS said Apple was #1 in sales with the wireless AirPods at 26^% of new sales. Followed by Bose at #2 in wireless headphones. Beats fell to #3 spot after Bose.

    And last I checked, Apple gave you a set of wired headphones in the box, and an adapter to use your own headphones. So you don't have to support Apple's conspiracy. They include two options right in the box.

  50. Re:Apple did the right thing by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    Not quite. Bluetooth audio CAN be quite good. Not reference level headphone good, but fairly close. Getting it any better is likely a fool's errand since the DACs on anything but audiophile gear are 'OK' but not beyond. Expensive audiophile DACs are audibly better than iPhones. And pricier.

    I'm impressed by my Sennheiser Momentum 2s. At $300+ they damned well ought to work well. I'm not so impressed by a slew of $80-$150 Bluetooth headphones I've tried. Pops, snaps, drops - the whole gamut.

    Perhaps the price points will drop at some time.

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  51. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

    'Beats controls pretty much the entire wireless headphone market'????

    Wow. I didn't realize. Amazon must be hiding something.

    Sennheiser, Bose, and a host of Chinese manufacturers that you never have heard off might be a tad surprised at that statement. A quick perusal
      of a couple of 'best of' compilations (no, not that kind) don't even mention Beats.

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    Faster! Faster! Faster would be better!
  52. On related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sales of dildos to guys also soared due to them wanting to imitating Tim Cock

    1. Re:On related news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It won't allow the user fuck themselves, it has to be done via a proprietary... oooooh I see what you did there!

  53. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by David_Hart · · Score: 1

    Unless someone starts producing ads like that, this Apple crap will have no chance of stopping.

    PC is a Microsoft Surface with the same problems.

    Nope... Microsoft Surface Pro 4 has standard ports and jacks, including a headphone jack. Maybe not enough USB ports, but it's a tablet.

    Surface Pro 4 has a USB port, mini-displayport, headphone jack, Bluetooth, and Secure Digital card slot. The only thing proprietary are the charging and docking ports. You can use the USB port for a USB dock, if you need to. So that just leaves the charging cable that is proprietary.

  54. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by omnichad · · Score: 1

    mini-displayport is the same as Apple's Thunderbolt - typically a dongle required (unless you use an all-in-one cable).

    There is no Ethernet port.

    With a single USB port, you're probably going to have a hub - not much different than being stuck with a newer USB type-C.

    The only thing truly different between Surface Pro and Mac in that regard is the headphone port. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing - just that it's pointless to mock Apple for it exclusively.

  55. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by geekmux · · Score: 2

    Do any of you Apple fanatics NOT see that Apple screwed you by removing a port and FORCING you into the wireless headphone market they own most of?

    Just give up the argument. There are those who have bought into the Apple "mystique" and those who haven't. To the former, it will always be "But Apple is being BOLD, moving on to new tech!" To the latter, like you, there will always be the most cynical interpretation, where everything is about profits...

    Walled-garden. Sealing the case shut and choosing to solder every component directly to the fucking chassis, destroying the 3rd party market for upgrades. Making damn near every external connection proprietary, requiring the purchase of some form of patented adapter. Removing the headphone jack, leading to a boost in sales of yet another product line (Beats) they now own.

    It hardly takes a cynic to understand that every move they make is about profits.

    Give up the argument? There's none to be had. Not even the iLemmings can dismiss the blatant motives of a company who has unabashedly made hundreds of billions in profits in a obscenely short amount of time, driven by arrogant Take-It-And-Like-It designs.

    Unless someone starts producing ads like that, this Apple crap will have no chance of stopping. In a few years, we'll have dongles upon dongles just to use a 5-year-old computer with a new Apple device.

    While it's a cute idea for an ad for the competition, you don't understand that all vendors will soon follow the Apple profit model. Their Boards will practically demand it, so in a few short years, every computing device will look like the Apple product line, each of them complete with their own patented and proprietary designs and interfaces, all driven by the same profit model.

  56. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I listen to music when I go to bed at night and I use the alarm to wake up in the morning. Am I supposed to have a special pair of bluetooth headphones that I use at night because then they have to charge during the day after I have used them? If I use the dongle at night and I wake up to my phone at 30% how do I charge it if I am out and about during the day? How do I know if my alarm will even work in the morning?

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  57. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure there are some Dells or other third-party laptops with ports coming out the wazoo.

  58. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    I'm willing to bet that Samsung will at least include an adapter to listen and charge at the same time.

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  59. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    So what is included in the box to listen and charge at the same time?

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  60. If apple wanted to flex its muscle ... by eneville · · Score: 1

    ... they could drop the terrible windows build of itunes and replace it with a linux build? Wouldn't be much work to port from osx and would show the market how dominant they really are.

  61. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by geekmux · · Score: 1

    ...The only thing truly different between Surface Pro and Mac in that regard is the headphone port. I'm not even saying it's a bad thing - just that it's pointless to mock Apple for it exclusively.

    The only thing truly different between Microsoft and Apple is the fact that there are still several other options available from many vendors as a hardware alternative to obtain a "Pro" grade portable device.

    Apple offers the Macbook Pro, in all its proprietary glory.

    THAT is the issue here, that take-it-or-fuck-off mentality that defines Apples corporate arrogance, which I and many others will gladly mock the shit out of them for. Sadly, I don't see the competition doing anything but following suit, so welcome to the beginning of the end regarding "options".

  62. Dongles by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

    There is another way to read this news. I don't buy the concept that these people actually *wanted* wireless because then they would have already been using wireless. Maybe people just wanted the iPhone and while they were neck deep in high tech stats like megapixels and megahertz, didn't think they had to confirm that it had a feature that all phones were previously just assumed to have. Really, brilliant planning on Apples part; when I buy a laptop or computer I don't confirm it has an audio port either but who's to say that it won't? Apple knew people would expect it, and that is precisely they wanted to be the first to move on it. The way I read this statistic is that, upon buying the iPhone 7 people discovered that dongles are really, really inconvenient. This isn't a new love for wireless, this is an old hate for dongles. One that Apple played people into perfectly.

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    1. Re:Dongles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe, people that don't want wireless and still buy the iPhone7, were fully aware of the limitations, but decided the phone is more important than the wire.

  63. Knowing your customer base by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    Apple removed the headphone jack to prevent users from molesting the phones.

    It is odd that other phone brands don't believe their users physically capable of this and thus kept the headphone jack.

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  64. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But, but new-shiney. and courage. Isn't that what we've been told?

  65. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Schnapple · · Score: 1

    Nothing. But that's not what the assertion was.

  66. Sennheiser has new models as well by cerberusss · · Score: 1

    I'm a fan of Sennheiser, because these have big cups and I have big but sensitive ears. Small over-ear headphones will quickly start to irritate. So I have the Sennheiser HD 558 for home and office. I prefer wireless but they didn't have decent (big cup) wireless ones. Damn shame, but they've apparently seen potential revenue in those iPhone 7 users. Because there are two new models: the HD 4.40 and the HD 4.50 with noise cancellation.

    Really looking forward to getting that last one. I'm working regularly in an open office and every now and then, there's someone calling for an hour or so. A good headphone can keep you sane.

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  67. 3.5mm jacks by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Not just that, it even acts as an antennae for some older cellphones if one wants to play FM radio on them. But aside from that, if space was so critical, 2.5mm jacks are also standard, if less common

    1. Re:3.5mm jacks by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      Plenty smartphones can receive FM radio, it's a standard feature unless the carrier demands it be disabled so that they can sell more megabytes to their poor "customers". Or the phone is made by Apple and they want you to run Itunes, or the phone vendors is run by idiots who think removing features like the SD card is hip and cool. Or sometimes it's just not there. So you just have to check before buying. No "older phones" in there.

    2. Re:3.5mm jacks by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Plenty smartphones can receive FM radio, it's a standard feature unless the carrier demands it be disabled so that they can sell more megabytes to their poor "customers". Or the phone is made by Apple and they want you to run Itunes, or the phone vendors is run by idiots who think removing features like the SD card is hip and cool. Or sometimes it's just not there. So you just have to check before buying. No "older phones" in there.

      They can receive FM radio, but usually, they require an antenna, and they use the 3.5mm connector as the antenna. And I'm talking about the 1G and 2G phones that were there, like the various Nokia and Ericsson phones that had a few custom apps on the phones.

    3. Re:3.5mm jacks by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      Not just that, it even acts as an antennae for some older cellphones if one wants to play FM radio on them. But aside from that, if space was so critical, 2.5mm jacks are also standard, if less common

      Yeah, let's just replace ONE crappy intermittent connector with TWO crappy intermittent connectors (since you WILL need a 2.5 to 3.5 mm adapter to use virtually ANY headphones/headsets).

      SPECTACULAR idea!

  68. AirPods are a flop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't believe the hype.

  69. hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    who would have thought though didnt they give wireless headphones in the box with new phones. personally i do not like head phones ear piece allows one to be more agile and perceptive while out n about i do not listen to music much though podcasts.

  70. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have bought about 10 different Plantronics wireless headphone models over the years. Pretty sure they are going to have a larger market share than Beats...

  71. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's only mystique to the people who don't get it. To those that do, there's a very clear and valid reason to spend the extra money and carry on using a particular ecosystem.

  72. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is not the same as I cannot use a Thunderbolt to Ethernet adaptor. It is only a MiniDP port.

  73. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's been an updated Mac ad done by Maddox, many years ago.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

  74. Apple brand lube by fox171171 · · Score: 1

    Apple-brand lube sales have increased by the same amount as Apple fanatics bend over again for Apple.

  75. Anecdata: not all iPhone 7 users by trawg · · Score: 1

    My girlfriend (Android) and one of my flatemates (iPhone 6) both have bought bluetooth headphones in the last ~2 months. I think the kerfuffle about the iPhone 7 brought modern bluetooth headsets to their attention. They both (independently) bought the same brand, too.

  76. Re:Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congrats! Apple screwed you to sell more headhones (Score: 5, Insightful)

    I'm sorry, but are you and the people who modded this insightful completely pants-on-head retarded? This conspiracy theory doesn't hold up to the slightest ounce of common sense.

    Apple made $45bn last quarter from selling iPhones. It's their cash cow. How big do you think the market could possibly be for wireless earphones? There's no company on earth who is stupid enough to make the trade-off between harming their iPhone sales to help their wireless earphone sales. It makes no goddamn sense.

    Now if you want to argue that it's ultimately bad for consumers, go ahead. Or if you want to argue that it's bad for Apple, go ahead. But there's no way on earth Apple are deliberately making the trade-off you think they are, because that would be fucking burn-down-your-house-with-your-family in-it nuts. They sincerely believe it makes the iPhone better.

  77. Re:Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Improve sound quality? Why? My cable phones are already perfect [Sens IE 80]. Oh, you mean they fucked up the quality by removing the cable and now we have to pay them [a lot] to bring it back to normal [which might never happen considering that the development of cabled sets has not halted]....I get it!

  78. Re:Apple did the right thing by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Bluetooth headsets are hardly "innovation" at this point and adding an incompatible proprietary chip "the W1 - oh, the courage" isn't good for anyone either. BT audio isn't good. It stutters, stumbles, pops, and cracks - even with "good" headsets. If they want to innovate - either fix BT audio or come up with some new standard as part of an open standards body and be the first to ship an implementation of that.

    The W1 chip DID "fix Bluetooth audio". In fact, that's PRECISELY what it did.

    And, BTW, it is NOT "incompatible". The W1 chip in the AirPods and Beats headphones happiliy works with standard BT devices, and the W1 chip in the iPhone 7 happily works with standard BT headphones/headsets.

    And from what I have read, even when used "single-ended", the W1 chip SOMEHOW makes BT connections much more stable.

  79. Re:Apple did the right thing by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Not quite. Bluetooth audio CAN be quite good. Not reference level headphone good, but fairly close. Getting it any better is likely a fool's errand since the DACs on anything but audiophile gear are 'OK' but not beyond. Expensive audiophile DACs are audibly better than iPhones. And pricier.

    I'm impressed by my Sennheiser Momentum 2s. At $300+ they damned well ought to work well. I'm not so impressed by a slew of $80-$150 Bluetooth headphones I've tried. Pops, snaps, drops - the whole gamut.

    Perhaps the price points will drop at some time.

    Actually, expecting "audiophile" quality in a "mobile" environment is the very definition of a fool's errand.

    Outside noise and vibration do a bangup job of obscuring fine audio details that are the only difference between "good" and "audiophile" quality, no matter what.

  80. Re:Apple did the right thing by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    A2DP technically supports streaming AAC and MP3 directly. You don't have to recompress most music formats. If you're allowing for 300+kbps, you aren't going to have any audio quality issues worse than listening through earbuds in the first place.

    Blind A/B/X testing shows that even "golden ears" cannot RELIABLY tell the difference between 128k AAC and "non-compressed analog". Personally, I FEEL like I can tell a LITTLE difference until you get to 160k AAC. But at the "iTunes Plus" standard of 256k AAC, I double-dog dare ANYONE to "pass" an A/B/X test.

  81. Re: Apple did the right thing by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

    Now, if humanity could just solve that pesky problem we have with stagnated battery capacity technologies vs increasing power demands.

    Yep.

    I have always said: "Why can't I just have the battery they use in a hand-phaser?"

  82. Re:Apple did the right thing by omnichad · · Score: 1

    I chose 192kbps AAC (but later switched to VBR that approximates that quality) as my compromise for my rips. Not being able to tell which one is "better" is not the same as not noticing a difference - and I think cymbals are still muddy at the 128kbps (and really bad at 128kbps in MP3), but cymbals are also kind full of dissonant harmonics and accurate doesn't really sound "right."

  83. Re:Apple did the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And from what I have read, even when used "single-ended", the W1 chip SOMEHOW makes BT connections much more stable.

    Where exactly did you read that? I've read that using a highend SATA cable to connect your hard drive improves your audio quality but of course confirmation bias runs rampant on these sorts of subjective tests. The W1 chip improves the pairing process and power consumption but there is no evidence or even theory to suggest there is any way it can make bluetooth connections more stable when used single-ended.