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US Puts Bumblebee On the Endangered Species List For First Time (npr.org)

For the first time for a bumblebee and a bee species in the U.S., the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has designated the bumblebee an endangered species. The protected status goes into effect on February 10, and includes requirements for federal protections and the development of a recovery plan. NPR reports: "Today's Endangered Species listing is the best -- and probably last -- hope for the recovery of the rusty patched bumble bee," NRDC Senior Attorney Rebecca Riley said in a statement from the Xerces Society, which advocates for invertebrates. "Bumble bees are dying off, vanishing from our farms, gardens, and parks, where they were once found in great numbers." Large parts of the Eastern and Midwestern United States were once crawling with these bees, Bombus affinis, but the bees have suffered a dramatic decline in the last two decades due to habitat loss and degradation, along with pathogens and pesticides. Indeed, the bee was found in 31 states and Canadian provinces before the mid- to late-1990s, according to the final rule published in the Federal Register. But since 2000, it has been reported in only 13 states and Ontario, Canada. It has seen an 88 percent decline in the number of populations and an 87 percent loss in the amount of territory it inhabits. This means the species is vulnerable to extinction, the rule says, even without further habitat loss or insecticide exposure. Canada designated the species as endangered in 2012.

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  1. Roundup backpack=bad ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Meanwhile my Dad is outside with his roundup backpack, spraying a big circle around the house...Chemical warfare against nature just isn't working out how we thought it might!

    1. Re:Roundup backpack=bad ? by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's not the roundup that's doing it, it's neonicotinoid insecticides. If you wanted to specifically design something to genocide bees, neonic insecticides would be about as close to ideal as you could get. So the solution to the problem would be to put neonics on the endangered-species list, and hope they fade out of the environment before the bees do.

    2. Re:Roundup backpack=bad ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well. Indirectly, it does. Roundup kills many "weed" that are actually useful wild plants that bumblebees feed on. The western "green grass patch" is an ecological desert. No flowers for insects to feed on, no insects for birds to feed on...

      If you let your grass grow a little wild your garden will attract many small creatures, and shortly after many birds, and mammals such as hedgehogs who feed on insects... Then you can spend a lot of fun times with family observing nature without going far away from home.

      Also Roundup fumes are probably giving your dad cancer right now. Maybe you could talk him out of using this shit, no?

    3. Re:Roundup backpack=bad ? by leathered · · Score: 2

      Roundup isn't bad, it's been with us for over 40 years, rapidly breaks down in the environment and has long been out of patent. It may well be a suspected carcinogen but that's nothing that sensible handling procedures can't mitigate.

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    4. Re:Roundup backpack=bad ? by gymell · · Score: 2

      Not only that, but habitat loss due to agriculture and development. The good news is that as individuals we can do something to help right in our own yards, simply by reducing/eliminating lawns (which is an ecological desert), planting native plants and avoiding the use of chemicals. It's really amazing how the pollinators respond to that. I haven't had any rusty patched bees yet that I've seen in my yard, but have had many other species and hope to see a rusty patched at some point.

    5. Re:Roundup backpack=bad ? by plover · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The problem is that neonicotinoids are about as close to an ideal insecticide as we could hope to have. They're effective on a broad spectrum of insects, they don't harm plants, and they're really quite safe around mammals. For example, dinotefuran has an oral and dermal LD50 in rats of > 2000mg/kg, is not known to be carcinogenic, and is not known to be a neurotoxin. It's also essentially non-toxic to birds, fish, and aquatic invertebrates (important because of chemical run-off.) I'm not saying I'd sprinkle it on my breakfast cereal, but I wouldn't get sick from it.

      They just happen to be 50 times as lethal to bees as to any other insect. So even the lowest doses used to control economically damaging pests are still going to kill huge numbers of bees, because the tainted nectar and pollen that comes back with the bees feeds the colonies.

      I really like the stuff for INDOOR control of greenhouse pests. Outdoors, I won't use it.

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    6. Re:Roundup backpack=bad ? by boskone · · Score: 2

      i agree, but there is a fine balance, as these compounds are the best defense we have against WDOs like carpenter ants. I can attest that they work well in those cases.

      I wonder if much stricter compliance to labeled usage would be helpful?

    7. Re:Roundup backpack=bad ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      The problem isn't with his dad, the problem is with the government not outlawing these insecticides. The government allows them knowing the negative effects they have on bees and regular joe thinks they are fine because they are allowed to be sold and bought. Not everyone reads scientific studies on the effects of these insecticides, most think that if there was something wrong with them the government wouldn't allow it, but that is unfortunately not the case.

  2. This is one type; others have less decline by Fencepost · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just to note, this is not all bumblebees, it's the Rusty Patched bumblebee that's been put on the endangered list. Other bumble bees are still around, though most other types have also been declining. The range for this particular type is a rough triangle from the Dakotas down to northern Georgia and up to central Maine.

    If you want information including things that you might be able to do take a look at Bumble Bee Watch (http://www.bumblebeewatch.org/) or the Xerces Society page on bumblebees (http://www.xerces.org/bumblebees/). The University of Maine in Farmington has also been tracking the decline of several of the species native to Maine (http://mainebumblebeeatlas.umf.maine.edu/), and other state universities may have similar programs going on.

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    1. Re:This is one type; others have less decline by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

      Carpenter Bees. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I had them burrow into the fascia for my deck when I lived in Virginia. If you sit on the deck, you can hear them chewing away.

      [John]

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    2. Re:This is one type; others have less decline by KenLefebvre · · Score: 2

      I wish. As someone who has worked in an entomology lab 6 years ago, it was almost unheard of to collect this species. Only one species of bumblebee is really doing so well, B. impatiens. The others, including this one, have become rarer with each year of collection, we have Cornell drawers of specimens from surveys and every year they become less and less diverse. Some species are really much better at adjusting to new pesticides than others.

  3. Re:thanks Monsanto ! by coinreturn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Things like "noxious weed acts" which destroy plants that support bumblebee populations. Pushed by environmentalists in big cities to get rid of flowering plants which cause allergies. That in turn allowed herbicide spraying to kill or keep them under control. That leads to widespread destruction of flowering areas for the sake of green grass/reduce air allergens. Need another example? Monarch butterflies. Mass population decline, what's the strong correlation? Same noxious weed acts which banned/required destruction of milkweed. Most places have rescinded that. But it wasn't more then a year or two ago in most of north america you could be fined for having it growing on your property because it was considered a weed..

    WTF have you been smoking? Envrionmentalists don't push noxious weed acts or anything that sacrifices plants for reduced air allergens. Most of North America you could be fined for having milkweed growing on your property? I've lived in four states and 9 houses in my time, and I've never lived in one of your alleged exclusion zones.

  4. Lobbyists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    .So the solution to the problem would be to put neonics on the endangered-species list, and hope they fade out of the environment before the bees do.

    Then the pesticide industry will lobby the Republicans saying how it'll hurt business and jobs and profits. Eventually, there will be some sort of phase out agreed to that will take ten years for the pesticides to be stopped.

    In the meantime, there will be this PR blitz stating that the science isn't in and that the scientists who study it are saying the pesticides are killing bees because that's the only way they can get grants.

    Eventually, as our bees get destroyed and the skyrocketing of food prices, the EPA will be blamed for all the unnecessary regulations that caused the problem in the first place.

    Cigarette smoking, Air conditioning refrigerant, lead in gasoline are just a couple of instances off of the top of my head where business has put profits above human health. What a warped society we have where it's considered a valid argument to put corporate profits above human health.

    1. Re:Lobbyists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There's no need for lobbyists any more, they're all sitting at the heads of the departments now anyway.

      Drain the swamp? More like employ it.

    2. Re:Lobbyists by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Informative

      That's exactly what DID happen when the EU banned Neonics a year or two ago. Bayer has been on a massive add-campaign ever since to try to get the ban lifted by claiming their pesticides are totally harmless to bees, bees actually like the stuff - they thrive when you spray them with it and think of all the job losses if we our massive multinational company has one less product to sell (which somehow didn't stop them from refusing to sell lethal injection meds to the US) etc. etc. etc.

      Eventually they managed to raise enough dust to get the EU Safety Authority to set up a review committee to reconsider the decision. At time of writing the committee's results are not yet in... but I somehow have this idea that a lot of the committee members have been living large of late...

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    3. Re:Lobbyists by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      they thrive when you spray them with it

      Plants Crave Electrolytes

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    4. Re:Lobbyists by Jfetjunky · · Score: 3, Informative

      This type of thing already did happen once with DDT. It was a bit of fight, but it did happen. People expressed concern about it for ~10 years or so before it was finally banned. It was pretty strongly connected to population decline in many birds.

  5. Re:What if.... by dwillden · · Score: 5, Funny

    Even worse, when a Federal Agent overhears your kid singing about brining home a baby bumble bee at preschool and throws him or her into jail.

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  6. Re:thanks Monsanto ! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That environmentalists push for it.

    You certainly have a point that many cities have created environmental problems by banning "natural" and "native" plants.

    On the other hand, it's interesting that the sentence I quoted ("The environmentalists push for it") is one with no citation. You seem to be from Canada; I'm not as familiar with environmental politics there. But the U.S. at least, weed ordinances in cities are hardly pushed by environmentalists as that term is commonly understood in the U.S. The laws may be pushed by local busybodies worried about their neighbor who doesn't keep a monoculture lawn precisely mowed and instead chooses to let wildflowers and such grow more freely -- which some people consider "unkempt." Those people may be concerned about their neighborhood "environment" in the sense that they believe that some mid-20th century suburban ideal of the well-kept lawn is the only possible plantlife that should be seen in the city. But I really doubt anyone calls them "environmentalists" except ironically.

  7. Re:thanks Monsanto ! by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

    I forgot one obvious exception -- weed ordinances targeting invasive NON-native plants are often endorsed by environmentalists, but such plants are generally a serious threat to local flora.

  8. Re:What if.... by The-Ixian · · Score: 3, Funny

    To be fair, they would have to sing "bringing home a baby rusty patched bumblebee..."

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  9. Re:What if.... by djinn6 · · Score: 2

    A bumblebee colony is a super organism. Any single worker bee is expendable. I think you can argue you didn't really harm them unless you damaged the beehive, which is what is necessary for them to continue to reproduce.

  10. A bit of scientific background here by caseih · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Bumble bees disappearing is alarming, and it could have a number of causes but no one is quite yet sure exactly what is the main cause or if several causes are combining (likely). I've been to several research presentations lately from scientists researching bee health and bee loss. They know that neonics kill bees (they kill lots of insects). But the thing you have to realize is that very few farmers apply neonics as a spray where it kills indiscriminately. Almost all neonic use is in seed treatments that go underground and make the plants toxic to insects that would eat them. Also, bees (but not bumblebees) are doing quite well in areas that have high use of neonic seed treatments, like Alberta.

    In other areas the situation is not nearly as good for many bee species. And neonics are suspected to play a role, though neonics are usually not sprayed. What it could be is vacuum planters planting corn and beans are blowing neonic-laced dust into the air which is causing the damage. In Alberta, planting is largely done with air seeders which blow dust into the soil, not the air, where bees are not exposed nearly as much to it.

    So things aren't as simple as the comments so far want to make it. Banning of neonic spray does make some sense. But if they were banned outright, to save the food crops farmers will have to spray more insecticides on the plants during the early growth stages, which is ultimately more harmful to everyone. Not only does that kill problem insects, it kills bumble bees and beneficials indiscriminately.

    One final comment on habitat loss. This indeed could be contributing. As far as farmland goes, though, very little land is being converted from wild to farming in North America these days. Nearly all habitat loss comes from urban development. So don't go blaming farmers for habitat loss in that regard. As well, the US and Canada has quite large wilderness areas that have never been touched by agriculture, and bumble bees seem to be in decline everywhere. And it could be that climate change is playing as big a role as neonics ever did in this decline.

    It's a complicated story. Likely humans play a major role, but how to fix this no on really knows.

  11. Re:thanks Monsanto ! by CronoCloud · · Score: 2

    The Natgeo link doesn't refer to fines at all, and the fine links seem to refer to the same few cases so apparently it isn't a widespread problem

    Also the anti-weed ordinances seem to be about "appearance" and weren't supported by actual environmentalists.

    So, yet another Mashiki right wing echo chamber strawman argument

  12. Re:Nobody uses roundup on lawns! by bodog · · Score: 2

    " it kills ALL plant life with almost zero exceptions."

    Superweeds? They are being selected for by RoundUp as we type :)