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Someone Is Trying to Sell Those Stolen Three-Screen Razer Laptops in China (geek.com)

Just a few days ago, Razer's awesome Project Valerie laptops -- the one with three 4K displays -- were stolen. Now it looks like whoever stole them is trying to sell them. From a report: It turns out that the thief (or thieves) didn't just nab one Project Valerie prototype. They actually got ahold of a pair. Razer CEO Min-Liang Tan understandably wants them back, really, really badly. The company was willing to offer $25,000 to anyone who could offer information that led to the prototypes' return. So where did the laptops end up? Somewhere behind the Great Wall, apparently. Whoever has them isn't trying to quietly fence them in some dark Beijing alleyway, either. They've actually been listed on the immensely popular Chinese e-commerce site Taobao -- where they were spotted by writers at Engadget Chinese and Wccftech.

49 comments

  1. The laptop is absurd by Master5000 · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So it's only natural that the whole situation is absurd. Next thing, it gets in ISIS hands and it gets used to bomb the president of USA and Somalia to outer space where they meet the aliens that tell them that God is Putin.

    1. Re: The laptop is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wait, could that really happen?

    2. Re: The laptop is absurd by DonaId+Trump · · Score: 1

      It's all LIES! Somalia is a three-screen conspiracy by the Chinese to harm America. SAD!

    3. Re: The laptop is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      America elected a "reality" (fake) TV star, with a history of bankrupting his businesses, to be their leader. At this point, anything can happen.

    4. Re: The laptop is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude! Pass that blunt! That must be some really good shit!

    5. Re: The laptop is absurd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      China thing is just a red herring. Apple is busy filling USA patterns off stolen laptops

  2. Solution seems obvious then by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    Pay the guy in China the $25k you're offering.

    1. Re:Solution seems obvious then by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pay the guy in China the $25k you're offering.

      . . . maybe if they throw in the Brooklyn Bridge, as well, I'll make an offer. Oh, and the Ginsu and the Spiral Slicer . . .

      You don't have to actually have something, in order to sell it.

      This is looking more and more like a publicity stunt.

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    2. Re:Solution seems obvious then by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

      No laptop, no $25k. If it's a publicity stunt then it's all moot anyway.

    3. Re:Solution seems obvious then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The whole thing is a publicity stunt. These cheap china made laptop don't worth any where near $25k. But free press coverage they had in the past few day is priceless. Fake news all the way down.

    4. Re:Solution seems obvious then by msauve · · Score: 4, Informative

      Whoever wrote the summary is wrong. Razer isn't offering $25K for the return of the prototypes - it's offering up to $25K for "information that leads to the identification, arrest and conviction of the thief." It's been reported that way by multiple sources.

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    5. Re:Solution seems obvious then by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Informative

      The whole thing is a publicity stunt. These cheap china made laptop don't worth any where near $25k. But free press coverage they had in the past few day is priceless. Fake news all the way down.

      The source article says right up front "*This is currently being debunked. Possible PR stunt.". That somehow got overlooked when posted here.

    6. Re:Solution seems obvious then by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pay the guy in China the $25k you're offering.

      At this stage you don't actually need to pay them.

      As they were stolen from the US, theft greater than $10k makes it a federal crime (grand theft)
      Even though one would contact local authorities (as was reported) you wouldn't be working with them, they would put you in touch with federal investigators who you would be working with (which has not been reported)

      The feds can work with the payment processor such that the thief would see the payment in their account, marked as cleared, but frozen such that the thief could not actually transfer out that money.
      They would then work with that payment processor to identify who that person is and/or where the money would have been sent to. With a bit of luck the thief would also setup a way to deliver the items which may lead back to them.

      At that point the feds could make the arrest, detain them, and search their properties for the stolen hardware.
      Admitting publicly to committing a crime is all that is needed for probable cause to arrest someone in the US.
      No idea how that works with Chinese authorities that the FBI would be working with however... It seems they need even less (aka no) reason to arrest someone, but then there is the kink of doing so at the request of the USA.

      If the guys posting was fake and they don't actually have the stolen hardware, he will be released eventually, no harm on the part of the authorities, and hopefully the idiot would learn not to admit to crimes if they didn't want to get arrested for those crimes.
      If the real thief is caught in the future, they will be held responsible for the expended man-power and time, usually in the form of a longer prison sentence if it can't be recovered through asset forfeiture.

      If the posting isn't fake and they have the stolen hardware, they remain in prison and the hardware is recovered and return.

      There's really no downside except to the idiot trying to get arrested, and no one really cares about an idiot being an idiot. But it will answer the question with certainty if the sellers post is real or not.

      If any of the above actually happens or not should be a decent indication if Razor is pulling a PR stunt or the theft was real.
      Although one is generally informed by legal council to not publicly talk about federal investigations that are in progress, so even if real they wouldn't report on it until after the thief is caught and hardware returned, which would be seen by the slashdot idiot masses as "proof" the whole thing was a PR stunt since they now have their laptops back...

      So it's still a lose-lose situation for Razor

    7. Re:Solution seems obvious then by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      ...Fake news all the way down.

      Man, that's gonna piss off the turtles!

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    8. Re:Solution seems obvious then by whoda · · Score: 1

      The 150,000 yuan is only $22K US. It's a scam or fake news.

    9. Re:Solution seems obvious then by blivit42 · · Score: 1

      For a Ginsu and Spiral Slicer, you bet! My family went to a flea market in the mid 80's, and there was a salesman giving a wonderful demonstration of a Gensu knife. It slices, it dices! Saws through a hammer, and still cuts cleanly through this tomato! Well, after a great demonstration like that, we bought a knife and spiral slicer.

      Best damn kitchen and utility knife we ever had. That thing was awesome. Cut through all sorts of building materials for school projects, still worked great on watermelons, bread, etc.. The spiral slicer also made wonderful potato chips that we would fry in a Fry Daddy. These were indeed wonderful products!

  3. Probably COUNTERFEIT! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Already!

  4. Or not by tgv · · Score: 2

    It might also be a scam, of course.

  5. Linus has it @LTT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think we all know who took the prototypes, if dbrand starts making skins for them very soon don't be surprised

    1. Re:Linus has it @LTT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      anonymous coward though you may be, this was actually pretty funny.

  6. Taobao is ISIS by fubarrr · · Score: 2

    Taobao is ISIS

  7. PR Stunt by EEPROMS · · Score: 4, Insightful

    [cough] fake news [cough]

    1. Re:PR Stunt by MikeMcMahon · · Score: 2

      Razer made more than $25k from this story im willing to bet...

    2. Re:PR Stunt by guises · · Score: 1

      Only if they (eventually) produce and sell these things for real. They were probably only stolen because they were concept devices which would never get produced, and were therefore valuable for their uniqueness. I would bet that all of the free publicity from this is making their eventual production somewhat more likely.

    3. Re:PR Stunt by ClickOnThis · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Razer reported the theft to police:

      http://fortune.com/2017/01/10/...

      If Razer orchestrated all of this for publicity, then they risk a lot by filing a false police report.

      And if Razer was behind it, why would they allow their goods to be sold on Taobao?

      No, this doesn't add up as "fake news."

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    4. Re:PR Stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If Razer is lying about the theft, why wouldn't they lie about actually reporting it to the police as well? Just sayin'

    5. Re:PR Stunt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I can't believe you're making me miss the days of [Citation needed].

    6. Re:PR Stunt by guises · · Score: 1

      Because then the police would read it and say, "What?" And they would send officers to Razor to try and figure out what was going on, etc. Eventually Razor gets fined for... something. Annoying the police.

    7. Re: PR Stunt by Type44Q · · Score: 0

      the police

      Whichpolice?? They're not a monolithic entity, dipshit.

    8. Re:PR Stunt by slazzy · · Score: 1

      I bet their website traffic is up significantly and some of them will buy their other products.

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    9. Re: PR Stunt by guises · · Score: 1

      The Las Vegas police, dipshit.

  8. Counterfeits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Soviet Russia, parts stamp you.

  9. Obvious scam sale post is obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Posting only photos taken at CES before theft. Hilarious price. Totally looks legit. Not.

  10. They do not want them back "badly". by gweihir · · Score: 1

    They are pretty much only offering what these would cost if manufactured regularly. That means they go through a synthetic show of outrage, but in actual reality they could not care less and may even like the additional exposure this gives them. Basically these two devices had one single purpose, namely to be shown off. In engineering circles, this is known as a "stunt". It does not mean anything and is basically a form of posturing. As CES is over, these two monsters have served their purpose and the only thing they had in their future was collecting dust somewhere, because they are not actually useful for anything. For an industry that does a lot more of these, look at all the "cars of the future" that never make it into production, ever, because they are actually not practical.

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  11. Huh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they Razer Laptops or Lazer Raptops?

  12. Scam, scam, bacon, eggs and scam by Misagon · · Score: 1

    There has also been at least one instance of the Razer laptop being listed on eBay.

    I'll take the listing on Taobao with a grain of salt.

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  13. Umm... Hoax Listing? by rsmith-mac · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm surprised that no one here has pointed out that this is likely a hoax listing.

    The photo in the listing is from Razor's CES suite. There's no proof, photographic or otherwise, that the seller actually has the laptops.

    This is a hoax listing; a bored nerd having a giggle. Which shouldn't surprise anyone given that even after 20 years, yahoos are still putting up listings like the Ark of the Covenant on eBay.

    1. Re:Umm... Hoax Listing? by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I live in vegas.. So ita a possibility. you would be surprised what happens here. Im surprised it made the news. laptops get stolen every day.. I am however enjoying the dual 1080's and 3 4k displays. The function to get them in place isnt finished yet im going to have work on a motor assembly for them.

    2. Re:Umm... Hoax Listing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a bored nerd having a giggle; the rest of us just coast on the likes of slashdot, and yet another one just happens to have a multi-screen laptop

      I live in vegas
       
      ... and is not from this planet.

  14. With the amount of cameras at CES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nobody can just walk in and pick something out of a booth, without ending up on camera. Their claim that the machine was stolen was a hostile business maneuver designed to create a pretext where Razer could accuse any competitor selling a similar machine, of having carried out the theft.

    Also: the listing is fake, but msmash is doing a real good job fueling the fires here, which is what matters I guess.

    1. Re:With the amount of cameras at CES by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      Three screens, right? Prototypes worth, apparently, only $25,000.

      No embedded coin battery-supported GPS tracking.

      Are there any eye witnesses that these fucking things were ever at CES?

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    2. Re:With the amount of cameras at CES by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There sure is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3qZThdcZMo

    3. Re:With the amount of cameras at CES by partiallynothing · · Score: 1
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  15. Re: Solution seems obvious then.. no hidden Blackw by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hired Mercs to get it back and the hands of the thieves! Or this is a chance to start a competing show! Put CES out of its misery.

  16. I Bid by kackle · · Score: 1

    I'll give you, one dollar...

    Okay, two.

  17. Offering $25,000? Cheap bastards by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    There is something wrong with so many C level executives when it comes to giving people other than C level executives money. Not that the thieves deserve it in this case, but quite simply those laptops must be worth at least a million or more to get back.

    Even when crime isn't involved I have seen companies self destruct rather than pay engineers what they are worth. I can name specifically two companies where they had a person with 3D skills that were in the top 1% of the top 1%. They were paying him something under 50K while the execs at the company took around 200k each (4 of them). So he goes off to a conference (that when they found out what he was doing on his vacation they pretty much told him that there would be no job waiting if he went) and gets a crap tonne of job offers. The one he took had a damn good salary plus bonuses for performance that were measurable and could easily double his salary. The company he worked for offered to come close to the salary but said no way to the bonus. Needless to say they were losing him even if they matched the salary as he was so pissed off for being underpaid. Company died less than a year later as they couldn't meet the quality and other requirements in a few contracts that he had been doing.

    Another case resulted in an engineering company having to have an engineer with a very specific qualification. The engineer went and got the qualification on his own. Then the engineer left the company with a small group of other "junior" engineers and bid against their old company on the contract that had been coming up that required they have an engineer with that qualification. The old company lost their shit when they realized that they were losing a crazy critical contract to someone they had felt they could abuse and barely pay. The key was that he had tried and tried to get the company to pay for the training for the certification but instead chose to send one of the partner engineers instead along with his wife in first class style months before his retirement. But then medical issues prevented him from going. This junior engineer just took vacation, stayed in crap hotels, and got certified. Again to massive layoffs at the old company because that contract had been a "sure thing".

    So where this company is offering 25K to get their product back, it just tells me that they don't understand the value that other people have (even if it is extortionate) and probably pay their engineers shit pay. Thus I hope their product is ripped off 100 ways from Sunday.

  18. Buy them back by tigersha · · Score: 1

    The price for razer should be less than the bounty. And thy have a target account to track. How hard can it be?

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  19. Fake news by whoda · · Score: 1

    Move along