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Petition With Over 1 Million Signatures Urges President Obama To Pardon Snowden (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNET: More than 1 million people signed onto a petition asking President Barack Obama to pardon Edward Snowden, proponents of the pardon said Friday. The campaign began in September, when Snowden, his attorney Ben Wizner from the ACLU, and other privacy activists announced they would formally petition Obama for a pardon. Snowden leaked classified NSA documents detailing surveillance programs run by the U.S. and its allies to journalists in 2013, kicking off a heated debate on whether Americans should be willing to sacrifice internet privacy to help the government protect the country from terrorist attacks. Obama and White House representatives have said repeatedly that Snowden must face the charges against him and that he'll be afforded a fair trial. In the U.S., a pardon is "an expression of the president's forgiveness and ordinarily is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence," according to the Office of the Pardon Attorney. It does not signify innocence. Also on Friday, David Kaye urged Obama to consider a pardon for Snowden. Kaye, the special rapporteur to the United Nations Human Rights Council on the freedom of expression, said U.S. law doesn't allow Snowden to argue that his disclosures were made for the benefit of the public. The jury would merely be asked to decide whether Snowden stole government secrets and distributed them -- something Snowden himself concedes he did. In response to the petition, Edward Snowden tweeted: "Whether or not this President ends the war on whistleblowers, you've sent a message to history: I feared no one would care. I was wrong."

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  1. This will never happen, even if I want it to. by GrandCow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Snowden embarrassed the Obama administration. As much as I think he should be pardoned and let back onto US soil, Obama won't do it. Trump certainly won't either.

    Lets live in reality people.

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    1. Re:This will never happen, even if I want it to. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What else can they do besides say "aww, that's nice".

    2. Re:This will never happen, even if I want it to. by swb · · Score: 4, Informative

      Petition wasn't representative of the will of the majority.

    3. Re:This will never happen, even if I want it to. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Informative

      They didn't ignore it, it was debated in Parliament on the 5th of September 2016, and a response was issued - the petition, set up before the referendum by a pro-Brexit campaigner, was used post-referendum by anti-Brexit campaigners to try and retroactively change the rules of the referendum, throwing the result out. Which you can't do.

      The demands of the petition might not have been carried out, but it was NOT ignored.

    4. Re:This will never happen, even if I want it to. by Rockoon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The Obama administration has gone after more whistle blowers than all previous administrations, combined.

      The chance of him pardoning the most famous one....? Z E R O

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    5. Re:This will never happen, even if I want it to. by fazig · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I also wonder if the Russian government would let Snowden leave their country so easily, given the remote possibility that some other country wants to give him asylum without the danger or extradition.
      Odds are that Snowden had at least some contact with Russian intelligence agencies and also had the chance to learn a couple of things about them. And here I doubt that they'll make the same mistake US agencies did.

    6. Re:This will never happen, even if I want it to. by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Letting traitors go free" won't play well to the "tough on crime" Republican crowd.

      I didn't think protectionism and cozying up to Russia would play well with Republicans either.

  2. Re:Pardon is only the fist step. by KiloByte · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The guy deserves an apology.

    And the Presidential Medal of Freedom. He, not Obama's second in command whose medal is about as warranted as Obama's Nobel Prize.

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  3. Re:Pardon is only the fist step. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The guy deserves an apology.

    And the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

    Yes, but note that Obama said, "... for the last time in my term as President ...", when honoring Joe Biden for a lifetime of public service.

    I'd be happy with just a pardon for Snowden, as he deserves it, and that would allow him freedom to travel home. Withholding a pardon only prevents him from returning to the country whose citizens he was trying to protect, and forces him to remain living in a "non-ally" foreign nation.

    A pardon is the only logical resolution––a lifetime of exile could alter the allegiance of any human.

  4. Re:I signed the petition. by Sir+Holo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I signed the petition. An agency of my government was breaking the public trust, lying to legislators, and breaking the law. It was Mr. Snowden's duty to report this, and it is a travesty to take away his life for defending his country against itself.

    It wasn't his duty, as he was a contractor. Contractors do not swear the Oath of Service to the US Government, although all of its direct employees are required to. That difference means that he is not shielded by whistle-blower laws.

    But the numerous Federal employees in the know – I agree – had a duty to report on the illegal activities, but chose not to. None of them are in exile, nor hanging from the end of a rope, nor even had a finger shaken at them. Instead, they have been protected by their organization. Not a good precedent, but look at history and you'll see that it rhymes.

  5. Re:People apparently forget how the system works.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    > Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9, 1974.

    Strange, so the US forgot how the systems work too for some time, it seems.

  6. Re:People apparently forget how the system works.. by pauljlucas · · Score: 5, Informative
    From Wikipedia on "Pardon":

    A presidential pardon may be granted at any time, however, and as when Ford pardoned Nixon, the pardoned person need not yet have been convicted or even formally charged with a crime.

    So, yes, Obama can pardon Snowden.

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  7. Re:People apparently forget how the system works.. by mark-t · · Score: 5, Informative

    Psh. A pre-emptive pardon can still be issued. A century and a half ago, SCotUS explicitly determined that except for cases of impeachment, presidential pardon power "extends to every offence known to the law, and may be exercised at any time after its commission, either before legal proceedings are taken, or during their pendency, or after conviction and judgment". Where do people get the notion that such a pardon can only be issued after a trial?

  8. Double standards? by moeinvt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Throughout the entire Obama presidency, the administration has been absolutely paranoid about leaks and has cracked down on whistleblowers like no other administration in history.

    Over the past few months, all this "Russian hacking" stuff has been dominating the mainstream media. In story after story, especially from sites like WaPo, reporters are always quoting "anonymous sources in government" or unnamed "intelligence officials" as their sources. These "sources" have obviously leaked numerous details of classified intelligence reports to the media, yet the Obama administration exhibits absolutely no concern whatsoever about these particular leaks.

    If Snowden is a criminal for leaking classified information to the media, why isn't there a full scale government investigation to identify the people who are leaking this classified "Russian hacking" stuff to the media? Do we have any laws left which are enforced in a fair & uniform manner? A government which makes it a practice of enforcing laws arbitrarily is an illegitimate government.

  9. So the Office of the Pardon Attorney lies as well by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In the U.S., a pardon is "an expression of the president's forgiveness and ordinarily is granted in recognition of the applicant's acceptance of responsibility for the crime and established good conduct for a significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence," according to the Office of the Pardon Attorney"

    There is NOTHING in the Constitution that says anything resembling this. And the most famous pardon in recent history - Nixon - contained none of these elements. Nixon was never convicted of anything, never admitted to anything, was never sentenced, nor was there any so-called "significant period of time after conviction or completion of sentence."

    And the government wonders why there's a fake news problem? They should look in the mirror - they're the source of a lot of it.

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  10. Re:"He can't exactly ignore it." by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Also I wonder if Putin will rescind Snowden's amnesty. Putin only did it to embarrass Obama. But for his new pal Trump he might very well hand him over. "As a sign of improving relations between our two nations, we are returning this criminal to you that you may serve justice." Snowden needs that pardon, PDQ.

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