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Researchers Create A Lithium-Ion Battery With Built-In Flame Retardant (engadget.com)

An anonymous reader quotes Engadget: One big problem with lithium-ion batteries is that they have the tendency to catch fire and blow up all kinds of gadgets like toys and phones. To solve that issue, a group of researchers from Stanford University created lithium-ion batteries with built-in fire extinguishers. They added a component called "triphenyl phosphate" to the plastic fibers of the part that keeps negative and positive electrodes separate. Triphenyl phosphate is a compound commonly used as a flame retardant for various electronics. If the battery's temperature reaches 150 degrees Celsius, the plastic fibers melt and release the chemical. Based on the researchers' tests, the method can stop batteries from burning up within 0.4 seconds.

71 comments

  1. Lini batteries by Z80a · · Score: 4, Funny

    It gives the impression that the more dangerous the battery is, the more it stores, at a point i wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a lithium-Nitroglycerin battery that outperforms everything else.

    1. Re:Lini batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Energy density is just a part on the effect of explosives. But you're right, a LiNi battery could have potential in releasing all its energy *quickly* :-)

    2. Re:Lini batteries by rossdee · · Score: 1

      An antimatter Lithium battery would store a huge ampint of energy

    3. Re:Lini batteries by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 4, Funny

      Still need to work out a few problems with the Plutonium-Lithium battery I'm developing. Those pesky laws about who can buy the raw materials is making development difficult.
      And I suing Duncan-Heinz, that box of yellow cake I bought didn't have any fissile materials in it at all!

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    4. Re:Lini batteries by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You are right the more potential energy something holds the greater potential for a dangerous failure. The real trick to making these energy sources is to arrange them in a way that they can release their energy safely under conditions that the device is expected to operate with some wiggle room for some abuse.
      Sure we can out energy or current batteries with a better substance. But can we have it safe enough to operate under normal conditions?
      This article isn't about allowing us to make more hazardous batteries. But just a better fail state. Because current failure conditions are rather hazardous. From the like aircraft, to hover boards, to cell phones all catching on fire often due underestimating the power sources current volatility.
      A safe fail. Will be annoying as many of these devices don't have replacement batteries. But at least you won't get injured from them.

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    5. Re:Lini batteries by Dog-Cow · · Score: 1

      Devices with replaceable batteries, but without this material, will simply burn until the device is ruined anyway.

    6. Re:Lini batteries by BlueStrat · · Score: 2

      Still need to work out a few problems with the Plutonium-Lithium battery I'm developing. Those pesky laws about who can buy the raw materials is making development difficult.

      Psst! Wanna buy some uranium?

      https://unitednuclear.com/

      Radioactive isotopes also, at bargain prices!

      PS: I'm SO disappointed that United Nuclear took down their .GIF that was on their main page for years.

      https://media.giphy.com/media/...

      Strat

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    7. Re:Lini batteries by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      PS: I'm SO disappointed that United Nuclear took down their .GIF that was on their main page for years.

      Sorry, correction.

      Ack! They still have the .gif on the main page, but it's tiny since they changed the page payout, and one must scroll down to see it. It used to be large and took up most of the main page!

      Strat

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    8. Re:Lini batteries by burtosis · · Score: 1

      Still need to work out a few problems with the Plutonium-Lithium battery I'm developing. Those pesky laws about who can buy the raw materials is making development difficult. And I suing Duncan-Heinz, that box of yellow cake I bought didn't have any fissile materials in it at all!

      You must be from 1984.

    9. Re:Lini batteries by cdrudge · · Score: 2

      And I suing Duncan-Heinz...

      Did Duncan Hines and KraftHeinz merge and I didn't hear about it?

    10. Re:Lini batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An antimatter Lithium battery would store a huge ampint of energy

      Where "ampint" is a combined unit for simultaneously measuring fluid volume and electrical current.

    11. Re: Lini batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      An Amstel Pint - free as in beer.

    12. Re: Lini batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunkin donuts selling yellowcake?

    13. Re:Lini batteries by ledow · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A battery capable of running a laptop for 10 hours is - if the energy is applied as heat, or even just sheer unrestricted electrical discharge - the same as powering 600 laptops for a minute. Or 3600 laptops for a second. Imagine the energy you need to do that - to just turn on 3600 laptops simultaneously, even for a second.

      The amount of energy stored is enormous. In oil-based products it's orders of magnitude more again. Which is why a tiny little candle thing in a survival pack can cook your food, or a paraffin heater can heat a house.

      The more energy you store, the greater the risk, but it does depend on how it's released. There's a reason you can't stop a house fire without hours of dampening it down - wood has a ton of energy but doesn't tend to release it that quickly, but can still be alight the next morning once it gets going.

      In terms of battery, the worst problem is a short-circuit, either in the battery or the circuit itself. I can remember short-circuiting AA NiCd batteries as a kid, with my electronics kits. You could literally melt the plastic casing off the battery and make them too hot to touch in just a few seconds, with sparks and all sorts of case deformation as you did so. And that's an AA battery, with maybe 450mAh. Nowadays, rechargeable AA's can ten times that.

      And then you consider the energy in a Li-Po that's as big as a laptop battery? When that goes wrong, you're in big trouble.

      The short-circuit resistance does change things. Shorting a cheap alkaline likely won't do much at all, but even they come with warnings not to do that. But you're assuming that things are already going wrong for a battery in normal usage to short. At that point, you just assume zero-resistance and watch as your laptop catches fire and explodes.

      No matter the technology, if it's capable of delivering that much electrical power, and you short it or break it, it's going to do pretty much the same thing.

      My dad tells a story of when he and his work colleagues shorted a forklift battery bank. It was in an abandoned warehouse and the forklift was scrap, basically. They dropped a thick steel spanner over the batteries (a handful of normal lead-acid car batteries, basically) from a distance. The spanner glowed red, then bent, then glowed white, at which point the entire forklift exploded into smithereens and they were scraping battery acid off a warehouse ceiling (50ft up!) for weeks.

      The energy is there, if you need to do those jobs for that length of time. If you release it all at once, even for a car battery, you have a literal explosive device on your hands. That isn't going to change just because you change lead-acid for hydrogen fuel cells or petrol for LPG or NiCd for LiPo.

    14. Re:Lini batteries by bobbied · · Score: 1

      It gives the impression that the more dangerous the battery is, the more it stores, at a point i wouldn't be surprised if they came up with a lithium-Nitroglycerin battery that outperforms everything else.

      Imagine that in a Note 7.... Poof, you are gone...

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    15. Re: Lini batteries by mallyn · · Score: 2

      But only at the store in the Kendal Square T Station, adjacent to MIT.

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    16. Re:Lini batteries by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      Well, it relates to two things - energy density, and how fast that energy can be extracted.

      Energy density is obvious - the more energy you can store per unit volume, the more potentially dangerous it is. Since Lithium based chemistries have some of the highest densities around, well, it also goes that they are the most dangerous.

      Internal resistance is also important because ti tells you how fast that energy can be released. Again, Lithium chemistries do well here. And the thing is, you want a low internal resistance - it means at high loads, you can extract more of the useful electrical energy the cell contains (rather than it being wasted as heat), as well as use it in loads that have varying demands. A car, for example needs to be able to extract a lot of energy quickly to get moving, and many other devices as wel, like laptops where the electrical load changes depending on whether you spin up the hard drive, or activate the GPU, etc. In fact, not having to design around the battery means you can do pretty silly things like put desktop parts in a laptop and know you can draw that kind of power out of the cell.

      Thing is, know what else is energy dense and can release a lot of it quickly? Explosives.

    17. Re:Lini batteries by edtice1559 · · Score: 1

      Just tell some terrorists that you will build a bomb for them. (Sorry to the few people who haven't seen Back To The Future!)

    18. Re:Lini batteries by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      You HAVE to read the label!
      It is Yellow Cake Mix...
      So you have to provide some ingredients.
      Also, some assembly* required.
      *You may want to move your oven outdoors...

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    19. Re:Lini batteries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ignore this moron, just buy it from Amazon

      https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000796XXM/ref=azfs_379213722_UraniumOre_1/154-6966113-9978763?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-5&pf_rd_r=ATQFW489GY6JTQ6FM434&pf_rd_t=1401&pf_rd_p=1608755502&pf_rd_i=1001250201

    20. Re:Lini batteries by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 1
      WTF?

      Please note: Pictures of Geiger counters testing uranium ore sample and other picture(s) of nuclear equipment sold by Images SI Inc. are not included with uranium ore.

    21. Re:Lini batteries by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Still need to work out a few problems with the Plutonium-Lithium battery I'm developing. Those pesky laws about who can buy the raw materials is making development difficult.
      And I suing Duncan-Heinz, that box of yellow cake I bought didn't have any fissile materials in it at all!

      OMG I laughed for a good 5 minutes non-stop. That's some good shit!. :D

      Unfortunately, you just gave lawyers the idea for a new class-action lawsuit for the mislabeling of anything with the words "cake" and "yellow" in their name. Bye, bye sweet food; bye-bye! *waves*
      LOL I'm laughing again!

    22. Re:Lini batteries by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      You HAVE to read the label!
      It is Yellow Cake Mix...
      So you have to provide some ingredients.
      Also, some assembly* required.
      *You may want to move your oven outdoors...

      Some kid already tried that. Apparently, "outdoors" isn't far enough. LOL

    23. Re:Lini batteries by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      And I suing Duncan-Heinz...

      Did Duncan Hines and KraftHeinz merge and I didn't hear about it?

      Psh.. yah. They switch names like every 32 hours and have a current goal of reaching a 24 hour switch-around.

    24. Re:Lini batteries by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Just tell some terrorists that you will build a bomb for them. (Sorry to the few people who haven't seen Back To The Future!)

      Where do I go to find a directory of them to Order Today(tm)?

      Who ya gonna call? (ching...flat)

    25. Re:Lini batteries by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      You are right the more potential energy something holds the greater potential for a dangerous failure. The real trick to making these energy sources is to arrange them in a way that they can release their energy safely under conditions that the device is expected to operate with some wiggle room for some abuse.
      Sure we can out energy or current batteries with a better substance. But can we have it safe enough to operate under normal conditions?
      This article isn't about allowing us to make more hazardous batteries. But just a better fail state. Because current failure conditions are rather hazardous. From the like aircraft, to hover boards, to cell phones all catching on fire often due underestimating the power sources current volatility.
      A safe fail. Will be annoying as many of these devices don't have replacement batteries. But at least you won't get injured from them.

      You mean like the rest of the "safety measures" the U.S. puts into place on products after "accidents" occur? All forms of batteries will be outlawed in 10...9..8...7...

    26. Re:Lini batteries by Meski · · Score: 1

      Something like a warp-core ejection system.

    27. Re: Lini batteries by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Outlawed in 1989.

    28. Re: Lini batteries by Meski · · Score: 1

      Wait, by what?

    29. Re: Lini batteries by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Humor.

  2. Triphenyl phosphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    This is a well-known flame retardant. Its environmental effects are not so well known. From Wikipedia:

    Limited information is available indicating significant toxicological effects of TPhP. Although it was initially expected to have an overall low impact, a growing body of evidence suggests that the effects may not be so harmless. Triphenyl phosphate exhibits low acute toxicity by dermal or oral contact.[3] However, an increasing number of studies have linked exposure to TPhP with reproductive and developmental toxicity, neurotoxicity, metabolic disruption, endocrine effects, and genotoxicity

    Personally, I prefer a random smartphone blazing off a hipster's balls from time to time than a rotten environment and half of humankind with endocrine problems down the line (besides, the first alternative would exert natural selection in a beneficial way).

    1. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      Well, batteries can be recycled pretty easily so the toxic elements should only enter the environment if they leak out when activated.

      Personally, I prefer a bit of leaked flame retardant over a plane crash. Plane crashes kind of suck for the environment, too.

    2. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > batteries can be recycled pretty easily

      Are they? Is there enough pressure in place for that?

      > Personally, I prefer a bit of leaked flame retardant over a plane crash

      Point is: less flights overall is even better. Of course my mumbling above about a "hipster blazing off his balls" was a bit tongue-in-cheek, but the serious part is: at the moment we are not willing (are we even able) to renounce to a bit of "instant gratification" (also called "progress") in the name of a longer term vision. Of course you could dial down energy density by a couple of percent, maybe a smallish ten percent, and that wouldn't only make the flame retardant unnecessary, but let the battery last *much* longer and be more resistant to abuse (LiFePO, y'know). But octocore and play HD video seems more important.

      For me, this is utterly disgusting.

      Remember the times where we said free market economies give you a choice -- contrary to the grey Soviet communism? We are reaching a point where shaving off the last .03 percent costs in economy of scale is taking this choice from us.

    3. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      Free market economies give us a choice... of course "us" means that sometimes others will do the choosing for you. Phone manufacturers prefer batteries with higher energy densities that are (usually) safe enough, over more expensive batteries that might let the owners of those phones keep theirs a little but longer. And if this flame retardant makes the battery (and the phone) a little bit bulkier, then manufacturers will not use it either. Especially Apple, since they need to placate the growing mob of belligerent protesters outside their HQ screaming for even thinner phones. Because above all we want thinner phones. Right?

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    4. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Free market economies give us a choice... of course "us" means that sometimes others will do the choosing for you.

      Absolutely. If i get the grammar correctly, that means "free markets give *them* a choice", which is roughly what we had in Soviet times too. It's always about the nomenclatura, however it is called in the current system.

      Yeah, I know you were originally thinking about "others" == "other consumers", but:

          - I refuse to dispense the C*Os of this world from their moral responsibilities "because free markets"
          - The "consumers" you're thinking of (buying the newest Samsung Galaxy S7) are already those at the top of the ladder, as seen from worldwide.

    5. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Fire is pretty bad for you too.

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    6. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, no. Fire is only bad for that hipster's balls :-)

    7. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I prefer a random smartphone blazing off a hipster's balls from time to time

      remember that when the airliner you're in takes a nosedive after the cockpit's ipad blows up, which causes its spare and the laptop stowed under it to blow up.. spreading the crews' insides all over what remains, and punching a hole through the side of the fuselage.

    8. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > the cockpit's ipad blows up, which causes its spare and the laptop stowed under it to blow up..

      I think you've seen too many movies of the bad kind. Li-ions are no dynamite, yet.

    9. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So just don't chew on batteries and you'll be fine.

    10. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by avandesande · · Score: 1

      burning cell phones aren't good for you either

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    11. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Ranbot · · Score: 2

      Well, batteries can be recycled pretty easily so the toxic elements should only enter the environment if they leak out when activated.

      You're a little off the mark here... The most significant environmental contamination is far far more likely going to occur where the batteries are manufactured from handling [or mishandling] of bulked raw materials and wastes. The overlook is understandable though, because electronics manufacturing and recycling operations typically occur in poorer Asian countries and people in the western world rarely take note environmental damage unless it happens in their backyard. (That's not meant as an insult, just a statement about people in general)

      In addition, it can be very hard to determine environmental risk until a chemical is used and monitored in the environment for a period of time. You cannot wait until all questions of potential risk are answered before allowing technology progress. Proceed with caution is usually the best approach for everyone.

      Personally, I prefer a bit of leaked flame retardant over a plane crash. Plane crashes kind of suck for the environment, too.

      I agree with this sentiment in there are plenty of potential applications for a safer Lion battery that could save lives. For example, many industries have with potentially flammable environments require "Intrinsically Safe" equipment http://www.indsci.com/services... (e.g. oil refineries, chemical plants, natural gas utilities, etc.) or sensitive locations that can't risk even small fires or explosions (e.g. planes, data centers, electric grid, historical buildings, etc.).

    12. Re:Triphenyl phosphate by Ranbot · · Score: 1

      Yeah, reducing a widespread fire risk can be very valuable to a society, even if there is a shift of risk to the environmental side.

  3. DiLithium by Ultimate+Statement · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What we need is a DiLithium battery to propel us to the 24th century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  4. Danger vs energy density by sjbe · · Score: 1

    It gives the impression that the more dangerous the battery is, the more it stores

    That is actually true in a sense. Greater energy density equals a potentially larger kaboom if you hold all other things equal. Now obviously it's more complicated than that since there are multiple factors that go into the risk of combustion but it's not illogical to say that the more energy a battery holds the more it can potentially release. Fortunately there are other factors that are considerably more consequential in determining how dangerous a battery is.

    Gasoline is quite dangerous under the right conditions and has a substantially higher energy density and specific energy than any lithium based batteries we currently can make. Although for that matter so does a block of wood or animal fat...

    1. Re:Danger vs energy density by La+Gris · · Score: 1

      > Gasoline is quite dangerous under the right conditions and has a substantially higher energy density and specific energy than any lithium based batteries we currently can make. Although for that matter so does a block of wood or animal fat...

      What makes a battery more hazardous than fuel, is having the reaction occurs at the same location as the stored energy.
      With fuel, combustion chambers are very distinct and distant from storage tanks.

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  5. I kind of like them as they are by AndyKron · · Score: 2

    What's more satisfying than a model airplane that crashes AND bursts into flames?

    1. Re:I kind of like them as they are by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What's more satisfying than a model airplane that crashes AND bursts into flames?

      This is how we know that real terrists are vanishingly rare. A $120 drone with some mechanism added to cause the battery to combust, let's call it $20 or less, is a serious threat to modern civilization. Well, not a drone, but multiples of them. Since we still haven't learned not to make flammable roofs, even though it is idiotic and we have alternatives, you could cause major chaos with such toys. Yet, nobody is doing this, thankfully.

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    2. Re:I kind of like them as they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most roofing materials don't catch fire that easily.

    3. Re:I kind of like them as they are by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Most roofing materials don't catch fire that easily.

      It just so happens that I have samples of roofing tiles and bad LiPos handy, but I hesitate to create a toxic fire even for science. Too bad I never picked up a sandblasting cabinet, that might be a good place to execute a controlled experiment. I wonder what would be an effective filter for the exhaust.

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    4. Re:I kind of like them as they are by some+old+guy · · Score: 1

      Doesn't even have to be that complicated. A drone trailing a few streamers of aluminum foil flown into the midst of an electrical sub-station will cause the prettiest corona arc flash episode you ever did see.

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    5. Re:I kind of like them as they are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Normal bombs and homemade explosives are suprisingly cheap, this idea would be economically infeasible.

    6. Re:I kind of like them as they are by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Normal bombs and homemade explosives are suprisingly cheap, this idea would be economically infeasible.

      You neglected to account for the cost of delivery.

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  6. Kevlar Vest for Suicide bombers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems to me to be an admission of an ultimate fail.

    Our products might blow up and burn you, so here's some flame retardant so no one else gets burned.

    1. Re:Kevlar Vest for Suicide bombers by Pascoea · · Score: 1

      Seems to me to be an admission of an ultimate fail.

      So we should just remove seat belts and air bags from cars? Get rid of GFCI/AFCI outlets? Remove every other safety measure we've implemented?

      The world is full of dangers. You can either choose to mitigate your risk, or not. The potential for a problem is there either way.

    2. Re:Kevlar Vest for Suicide bombers by sycodon · · Score: 1

      Why don't cars have Fire Extinguishers in the engine compartment and new the fuel tank?

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    3. Re:Kevlar Vest for Suicide bombers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why don't cars have Fire Extinguishers in the engine compartment

      Apparently none of the OEMs think it's worth the extra cost. Modders, racers, boaters, or other specialty needs who choose to can add one on.

      Why don't cars have Fire Extinguishers in the... fuel tank?

      Probably because nobody has found an effective way to do it yet, or have found other ways to mitigate the risk.

    4. Re:Kevlar Vest for Suicide bombers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many cars have you been in that caught on fire? Personally I have been in one. Friend had a leaky injector on a 300 Z back in college and a short sparked causing the gas to light. We had the fire out without an extinguisher in about 3 minutes. I was able to rewire the burnt wires and get us moving again in another 15.

      Now how many times has a seat belt saved me from injury? Probably dozens. Seat belts are there because they are more likely to be used. Fire extinguishing systems are not likely to be used. And the consequences of not having a seat belt are much worse than not having a fire extinguisher since most people get out of a burning car before it is a problem.

  7. This will cause problems! by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 2

    This battery will prevent CPUs from executing HCF instruction, that is vital for the proper functioning of a well known smartphone brand.

  8. Car fires by sjbe · · Score: 3, Informative

    What makes a battery more hazardous than fuel, is having the reaction occurs at the same location as the stored energy.

    There are an estimated 150,000 car fires in the US every year. I don't think either of us has the data available to make an apples to apples comparison but I very much doubt that battery powered cars will prove to be meaningfully more hazardous that gasoline powered ones.

    With fuel, combustion chambers are very distinct and distant from storage tanks.

    Gasoline does not have to be in a combustion chamber to ignite. A hot manifold with a leaking fuel line is more than enough to set a car on fire.

    1. Re:Car fires by La+Gris · · Score: 1

      There are an estimated 150,000 car fires in the US every year. I don't think either of us has the data available to make an apples to apples comparison but I very much doubt that battery powered cars will prove to be meaningfully more hazardous that gasoline powered ones.

      Gasoline does not have to be in a combustion chamber to ignite. A hot manifold with a leaking fuel line is more than enough to set a car on fire.

      My point: Fuel cell batteries where; One could refill a tank of reactant and having the reactor part in a distinct area, would not need having the chemical reaction so close to the stored energy (thin layers in lithium batteries). About burning cars: If ppls with electric cars were skipping maintenance and having so much mishandling than those burning IC engine cars endured. I think consequences would be way more dramatic. Be sure as soon as Electric Cars becomes affordable to the mass, there will be enough fools to cross the boundaries of safety.

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    2. Re:Car fires by wbr1 · · Score: 1
      Or a split muffler next to a rubber vapor return line, melting the line and igniting the vapors. Which then blew like a flamethrower under the bed, right over top of the gas tank.

      This happened to me while driving.

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  9. here's why this is stupid by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Oh so a flame resistant material or even a good insulator magically makes the heat just disappear into nothingness when 4AH of energy is released in like 3 seconds. I didn't know that's how physics worked.

    1. Re:here's why this is stupid by Mikkeles · · Score: 3, Informative

      No. It prevents the heat from forming in the first place by stopping the reaction that would produce it.

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  10. Tendency? by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    One big problem with lithium-ion batteries is that they have the tendency to catch fire and blow up all kinds of gadgets like toys and phones.

    Tendency? I don't thin you know what that word means.

    Given the number of lithium-ion batteries in the world, then number of fires and explosions is rather small, even including the well-publicized Samsung devices and Boeing 787 incident.

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    1. Re:Tendency? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that is only because they don't like being overcharged. That is why they fail. But, even then it is very rare for them to catch fire, even if they make the news every time it happens, unlike gasoline cars and tools.

  11. What is 60 x 600? by colinrichardday · · Score: 1

    A battery capable of running a laptop for 10 hours is - if the energy is applied as heat, or even just sheer unrestricted electrical discharge - the same as powering 600 laptops for a minute. Or 3600 laptops for a second. Imagine the energy you need to do that - to just turn on 3600 laptops simultaneously, even for a second.

    Answer: 36,000, not 3600.

  12. Better Pants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We just need better pants. Fiberglass, Nomex, asbestos, fireproof pants are the answer! No one cares if your phone bursts into flames in your hands. Just drop the phone!

    Now if the phone bursts into flames in your pants, you gotta save your junk! And both sexes got junk!

    I humbly submit that "phone-ready" pants are the future.