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Study Finds Link Between Profanity and Honesty (neurosciencenews.com)

A team of researchers from the Netherlands, the UK, the U.S. and Hong Kong report in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science that people who use profanity are less likely to be associated with lying and deception. Neuroscience News reports: Profanity is obscene language which, in some social settings is considered inappropriate and unacceptable. It often refers to language that contains sexual references, blasphemy or other vulgar terms. It's usually related to the expression of emotions such as anger, frustration or surprise. But profanity can also be used to entertain and win over audiences. As dishonesty and profanity are both considered deviant they are often viewed as evidence of low moral standards. On the other hand, profanity can be positively associated with honesty. It is often used to express unfiltered feelings and sincerity. The researchers cite the example of President-elect Donald Trump who used swear words in some of his speeches while campaigning in last year's U.S. election and was considered, by some, to be more genuine than his rivals. The international team of researchers set out to gauge people's views about this sort of language in a series of questionnaires which included interactions with social media users. In the first questionnaire 276 participants were asked to list their most commonly used and favorite swear words. They were also asked to rate their reasons for using these words and then took part in a lie test to determine whether they were being truthful or simply responding in the way they thought was socially acceptable. Those who wrote down a higher number of curse words were less likely to be lying. A second survey involved collecting data from 75,000 Facebook users to measure their use of swear words in their online social interactions. The research found that those who used more profanity were also more likely to use language patterns that have been shown in previous research to be related to honesty, such as using pronouns like "I" and "me."

283 comments

  1. The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Those who are less likely to hold back what they are saying are more likely to not hold back what they are thinking. Big surprise.

    1. Re:The two seem very related... by arth1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a flip side too: Those who need to lie can't alienate the marks with profanity. 'This is the fucking best goddamn precision bushings your asswipe money can buy, made by a troutfucking Swiss company" isn't going to make you salesman of the year.

      Lying is an art. Those best at it always tell the truth.

    2. Re: The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Where can I buy these precision bushings? I must have them.

    3. Re:The two seem very related... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Shit. Piss. Fuck. /insert Thaler and Witcher comments here.

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    4. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much for the precision bushings?

    5. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget tourettesguy

    6. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take 8, how much?

    7. Re: The two seem very related... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      I can't say "bushings" without blushing.

    8. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me get first crack at those bushings, I'll pay more than anyone here.

    9. Re: The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit you sold me, I want those bushings!

    10. Re:The two seem very related... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 2

      Well, fuck me! Who woulda thought it?

    11. Re: The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucking liars

    12. Re: The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So are you selling these bushings?

    13. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd buy anything from a troutfucker

    14. Re: The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you can't spell "blushing" without "bushing." Coincidence?



      I think not!

    15. Re:The two seem very related... by admin7087 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, those motherfuckers got that fucking right.

    16. Re:The two seem very related... by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Lying only works if you tell the truth often enough that your lie is believed.

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    17. Re:The two seem very related... by jandersen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Those who are less likely to hold back what they are saying are more likely to not hold back what they are thinking. Big surprise.

      A slightly subtle point that I think both you and the OP are missing is that honesty is not quite the same as naively or spontaneously expressing whatever goes through your head. I won't provide an example, but it is fully possible to be honest and considerate at the same time, for example, just like it is possible to express even severe anger and dissatisfaction without shouting or getting into a fight.

    18. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except a vast number of "common sense" statements like that have been shown by science to be false.

      That's why we do science, to find out what's true, rather than glibly assume it.

      I'm guessing you're an arts major.

    19. Re:The two seem very related... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 0

      Also, the contrapositive apparently holds, i.e., people more likely associated with lying and deception are likely to disapprove of profanity. Case in point: priests.

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    20. Re: The two seem very related... by DThorne · · Score: 1

      Yep, basically we're talking communication and language, and one can use them for deceit if they wished. Sure, someone that cusses might be more direct, but it's a short line from that to being part of a performance. Man, I'm so sick of these bullshit studies that are one part"duh" and two parts grotesque oversimplifications.

    21. Re:The two seem very related... by Big+Hairy+Ian · · Score: 2

      Is there a link between use of Emojis and desperately sad individuals? :D

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    22. Re: The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you buy something from an unclefucker?

    23. Re: The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty much. I wish modern 'science' would either die, or cease coming from millenial grad students' thesis papers. So. Sick. Of. Ignorant. Youth. The inability of young people to think critically and draw conclusions has gone from being merely annoying to being 'fucking' insufferable.

    24. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck this noise.

    25. Re:The two seem very related... by Kjella · · Score: 2

      I won't provide an example, but it is fully possible to be honest and considerate at the same time, for example, just like it is possible to express even severe anger and dissatisfaction without shouting or getting into a fight.

      Language is communication, you may think you're expressing it but does the recipient comprehend it? I've met the kind of people that seem to think if you're not shouting and cursing at them, you're not really angry. It's like they just hear "blahblahblah" but if you were really angry you wouldn't be calm and collected, so evidently you're not. There's no doubt that some people not only bubble wrap it but shy away from the truth in their quest to be considerate. See the Florence Foster Jenkins movie, she could have used some honest feedback before she booked Carnegie Hall...

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    26. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Lying only works if you tell the truth often enough that your lie is believed.

      As a counterexample I give you.... Donald Trump.

    27. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a Bitch-Ass Life

      captcha: judges

    28. Re:The two seem very related... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1

      But how do I know you are telling the truth about this? :)

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    29. Re:The two seem very related... by nitehawk214 · · Score: 1
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    30. Re:The two seem very related... by ThatNakedGuy · · Score: 1

      Depends on who the buyer is. I used to work in a steel fabrication shop where workers could communicate useful information via sentences composed almost entirely of profanity. "See that shithole? Fuck that shit. Cram some asshole in that cunt and lay down some motherfucking shit, dumbass."
      If you are selling bushings to them the profanity would ingratiate you to them.

    31. Re:The two seem very related... by fish_in_the_c · · Score: 2

      which is not to say the two are closely correlated. There could be any number of people who are completely honest and never curse, but you would expect that of the people who do curse , there is a higher percentage of those who are not concerned about how other people react to their words. Of coarse my experience is that education also plays a factor because more educated people can generally find more effective ways of expressing themselves than by using profanity, perhaps only resorting to profanity when it most effectively communicates their message to a target audience.

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    32. Re:The two seem very related... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Informative

      Who said anything about believing him? He's just saying what everyone wants to hear, that's all, over here in Europe we've had a lot of experience with populist loudmouths, it's about time you got one too.

      They're very entertaining and ok to keep the powers that are in check, but you don't elect them as president! You don't make the court jester king, are you nuts?

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    33. Re:The two seem very related... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      You can trust me, I'm a professional!

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    34. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sailors are well know to always tell the truth.

    35. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't seem to hurt the President-Elect.

    36. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then explain the success of politicians.

    37. Re:The two seem very related... by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Populists are nothing new in the US. They just don't tend to bring the whole system crashing down over here. It's almost as if our "arcane racist" constitution has something going for it after all.

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    38. Re: The two seem very related... by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Be sure to pay for them using asswipe money.

    39. Re: The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a subscription to your newsletter.

    40. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Watch your fucking mouth you cocksucking asshole. Someone's little shit kids might be reading this fucking site.

    41. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate Trump but I love that he's in office. He makes all of the entrenched, overly PC career politicians squirm. That makes me happy.

    42. Re: The two seem very related... by torqer · · Score: 1

      Wow really ??? Get the 'L' outta here!!

    43. Re:The two seem very related... by passionplay · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Mod parent down. Not insightful because it does not reflect the article.

      The two are not related in any way shape or form. Correlation is not causation.

      The article didn't say those that use profanity are honest. It said that those that use profanity are SEEN as honest.

      Being articulate and precise is not a marker of dishonesty. It's an ability to communicate what you mean. Unfortunately, for most people, precision also opens the door to being "tricked" and hence the PERCEPTION of dishonesty as compared to when profanity is used.

      I'm not sure why we are all arguing about profanity as a marker for truth and/or a filter being a marker for truth. The two are not related. It's a correlation - not causation.

      They're saying Trump got elected because he was SEEN as more honest.

    44. Re:The two seem very related... by Hans-HenrikStærfeld · · Score: 1

      Its fucking brilliant!

    45. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i assure you, comrade trump is doing absolutely nothing to "keep the powers that are in check"
      neither in the "united states" nor anywhere else in the world

      if you mean he gives the illusion of that, and people like this illusion, i can agree with that.

      http://www.annavonreitz.com/fortheboys.pdf

      the short story is the american system is common law (based on english common law), not "civil law" "municipality law" "equity" .

      circa 1960 nearly all counties/cities/etc. had "incorporated" and under the "federal" incorporated "united states".

      there really is very little united states still standing...it is all federal incorporated "government service corporations" . nevermind the "federal reserve note" slavery, although that is very related.

      everything and everyone is in "Commerce" by default. the "Trustees" for 100+ years have been robbing the "americans" blind.

      not really trump's fault, unless he takes no action to correct after being informed. admiralty law coming on land started even before the "civil war" ....

    46. Re:The two seem very related... by arglebargle_xiv · · Score: 1

      As said by God himself at the end of We Are the Road Crew, Hammersmith, 1985.

    47. Re:The two seem very related... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Lying only works if you tell the truth often enough that your lie is believed.

      At the risk of Godwining this thread... The great masses of the people will more readily believe a big lie than a small one.

      The recent US elections are proof of that concept.

      The key to lying successfully is not to tell the truth, but to make people believe you're telling the truth. There are quite a few tricks here but I'll go through some of the common ones.

      1. Believe your own lie to sell it.
      2. Pick your mark. lie to the gullible ones first. Going back to point #1, if you can get others to believe your lie they will repeat it as if it were the truth.
      3. Repeat often. Lies need to reach a critical mass to work properly, see point #2 about getting gullible people to repeat it.
      4. Alienate critical thought. Make people angry/emotional and they'll be less likely to think critically about your lie. This is the trick used by the likes of Fox News or the Daily Mail to keep their audience satisfied with obvious falsehoods. Anger and other extreme emotional states also have the added benefit of making people more suitable to advertising.
      5. Keep your lies consistent.

      Telling the truth is often contrary to these points, so it's best avoided.

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    48. Re:The two seem very related... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sovereign citizen bullshit on /. Now I've seen it all.

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    49. Re:The two seem very related... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Those who are less likely to hold back what they are saying are more likely to not hold back what they are thinking. Big surprise.

      A slightly subtle point that I think both you and the OP are missing is that honesty is not quite the same as naively or spontaneously expressing whatever goes through your head. I won't provide an example, but it is fully possible to be honest and considerate at the same time, for example, just like it is possible to express even severe anger and dissatisfaction without shouting or getting into a fight.

      Whilst I agree with your point, honest requires a certain amount of apathy towards the feelings of others. The truth is not always a comfortable thing, the same drivers that allow you to use an uncomfortable truth can easily be the same driver that stops you from caring when you drop a C-Bomb.

      A common scenario, you find out your best friends girl is cheating on him. If you tell him you'll hurt him. There are two main schools of thought here:
      1. Tough love, it'll hurt now but be better in the long run.
      2. Hope it will abate, is there any harm if he never finds out.

      Personally I beleive in #1, I also swear when it's appropriate.

      That last part is key. There's a big difference between using profanity appropriately and just spouting off swearwords like a teenager trying to act tough. Using profanity just to be profane is childish, profanity when used in the appropriate situation, such as to express anger, frustration, surprise or used in comedy makes your communication more effective. Knowing when to swear without being offensive is simply about knowing your audience. Yes, like honesty it's also possible to be profane and inoffensive at the same time.

      Also people who swear also tend to be smarter due to the fact they generally have a larger vocabulary and use it.

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    50. Re:The two seem very related... by lambsonic · · Score: 1

      We don't have kings. We can't have them. It is against the Constitu... Nevermind, there is nothing of any authority that says that we can't have kings.

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    51. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You won't provide an example because we'd pick it apart and show you to be the shitty liar you are. I also notice a complete lack of profanity in your post. You prove the fucking article's point, dumbass.

    52. Re:The two seem very related... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably more to do with the separation of powers. If your legislative and executive branches would like to push a rewritten constitution with significantly altered powers of the president, or changes required to join the federation to another federation, how fast could they do it without problems from the judiciary branch?

  2. Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  3. So. by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As dishonesty and profanity are both considered deviant they are often viewed as evidence of low moral standards.

    Purported links between honesty and profanity being what they are, it seems worthy of experimentation by scientific method to determine if deviant is at all relatively rare, and thus, deviant at all.

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    1. Re:So. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You would have to first define precisely what "deviant" is and, like in abnormal psychology, the sensible answer is less than satisfying and completely beyond the brainpower of the black and white cognition that the vulgar mouth breather is capable of.

      NB: The actual answer in layman's terms is: "Whatever the mainstream at the time is not typically doing."

      Notice the lack of definitive lines and precise boxes? That is because they don't exist and anyone claiming they do...well refer to previous definition of that sort of person.

      Also your question confuses contexts:
      Deviation is a normal part of SOCIETY but deviant behaviour of an INDIVIDUAL can be categorised easy as such.

    2. Re:So. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think what the OP was trying to suggest and what you apparently didn't get is that it seems not unlikely that the majority of people swear a lot and also the majority of people is fairly honest. In other words, the premise of this study that this type of behavior is deviant seems more revolutionary than the purported link between the two types of behavior, and we would like to see more support for it.

    3. Re:So. by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      Swearing is only "deviant" in some parts of "polite society". This also varies greatly by region. What would be considered mundane in Manhattan would be considered absolutely scandalous in Georgia. Southern hangups are even more extreme than that going beyond what someone on either coast would view as "profane".

      This almost sounds like something that snowflakes that have never been out of the suburbs would come up with.

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  4. Obviously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No shit.

  5. nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    profanities are a sing that someone is trolling, so decent sheeple should disregard it completely regardless of how much logical or obviously true it might be

    1. Re: nah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because your only interactions are online... Bitch.

  6. Fucking bullshit ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ... because I'm honest, but I can't use profanity because my Facebook Friends are actual friends, acquaintances, family and stuff.

    Twitter, using a fake name, however, is a great motherfucking outlet to compensate so I can say things like, "Fuck that pussy-grabbing baby-raping goddam whore mongering Trump and all of his goddam family."

    For real.

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    1. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by arth1 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Bill Clinton grabbed plenty of pussy in office. But I guess it's ok to do it and lie about it as President?

      What's wrong with this country was that he felt he had to lie about it. Sexual acts done by consenting adults is not against the law, nor the public's business.
      Harassment and hate speech, on the other hand, is.

    2. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'hate speech' shouldn't be. The law doesn't define correctness or morality.

    3. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      He lied about it because his wife was listening. If he'd been asked about it in a bar then presumably he'd be more likely to admit. Problem is he was put in a bad spot when asked that question when he hadn't even been given the chance to break the news to the family first. If you are cheating on your wife, the worst place for your wife to find out about it is on the nightly news on all channels.

      There is some legal debate about whether or not this is strictly perjury, which does seem odd. The lying under oath has to be material to the proceedings. Also it's allowed to give evasive or misleading answers to questions under oath. Though impeachment rules are different from normal trials.

      The upshot is, that for those who could be accurately described as Clinton's "enemies", this was proof positive, the final "aha!" moment giving them a chance for action after many fruitless years of investigation. And the perjury charge had a majority vote to acquit in the senate during impeachment despite having a majority Republican. But people still hang on to believing he had perjured himself and got away with it who never mention the stronger charge of obstruction of justice (50/50 vote in the impeachment).

    4. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      But Clinton! Drink!

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    5. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > The law doesn't define correctness or morality.

      Where do you think the Law stems from?

    6. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was bill Clint. President of Africa ?

    7. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by sudon't · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Clinton never grabbed a woman by the pussy, nor endorsed the practice. He got laid, which is different. The problem you and Trump seem to have is that you can't tell the difference between consensual, and non-consensual, sex. They're not equivilent.

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    8. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

      Having sex with your workplace subordinates is often illegal.

      Really? Where?

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    9. Re:Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And fuck shitbag cucks like you for trying to stick us with that evil cunt hillary.

      Jesus that was just retarded. Thanks for that shit.

    10. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by scamper_22 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Barring further context, grabbing them by the pussy wasn't exactly non-consensual. It's a complex term these days between explicit consent and implicit or not saying no.

      "I'm automatically attracted to beautiful [women]â"I just start kissing them. It's like a magnet. Just kiss. I don't even wait. And when you're a star they let you do it. You can do anything ... Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything."

      They let him do it because he is a star.

      If you've ever kissed a girl without asking her explicitly 'can I kiss you now?' you've pretty much done what Trump has done.

    11. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

      I remember the first time I kissed open mouth, just out of nowhere she kissed me without me expecting it at all. Although I'm a bit too timid to do the opposite, I could see it happening where the man does it and the woman is not expecting it and it would still be fine.

    12. Re:Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... because I'm honest, but I can't use profanity because my Facebook Friends are actual friends, acquaintances, family and stuff.

      If you normally enjoy the use of profanity when necessary, but filter yourself online communicating with "actual friends, acquaintances, family and stuff", then you are not being honest with your representation, or they're not mature enough to handle it.

      This should come as no surprise on a platform that practically welcomes bullshit to form the foundation of lies within the facade that is social media.

    13. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Clinton never grabbed a woman by the pussy, nor endorsed the practice. He got laid, which is different.

      There is substantial area in between the two which is also across the line of what is acceptable. Taking advantage of a workplace relationship involving a severe imbalance of power is unacceptable. And initiating a sexual act with a woman against her will on the same basis is also unacceptable. While Bubba was never actually convicted of same, there's ample indication that he played fast and loose with the ethics of working in the white house. I don't want to directly equate him with Trump, but the two are directly comparable, and Clinton doesn't come out looking like a saint.

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    14. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i don't know about illegal, but often a firing offense.

    15. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't Clinton settle a rape charge out of court?

    16. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Put the goalposts back where you found them. And then pour water down your pants.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    17. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by pak9rabid · · Score: 1

      Those with the money and/or loudest voice?

    18. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All sex between progressives is rape.

    19. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've ever kissed a girl without asking her explicitly 'can I kiss you now?' you've pretty much done what Trump has done.

      Which is probably sexual harassment, at least.
      But would you file charges if you knew what a mean, weaselly, vindicate, POS Trump is?

    20. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First, I want to be clear that I don't know what Trump did here -- whether or not his actions were appropriate given the circumstances, etc. However...

      If you've ever kissed a girl without asking her explicitly 'can I kiss you now?' you've pretty much done what Trump has done.

      Wow. Setting aside the fact that groping genitals is generally considered at least a little more intimate than a kiss, there IS something about his phrasing that makes this SOUND a little different from your scenario.

      Namely, Trump says "I don't even wait." Your interpretation is that he doesn't preface a kiss without some Victorian protocol saying, "Dear lady, may I be granted the favor of a kiss?" or something. Yes, I suppose it could mean that. It could also mean that Trump is implying he doesn't even "wait" for implied consent. (In the context of the quote, it sounds like he's talking about novel encounters with people he doesn't know well, rather than a sort of "date context" or something where the "implied consent" might be easier to tease out. ) But I agree that we don't have enough context to know precisely what he meant here. HOWEVER, I think the more concerning turn of phrase comes later in your quotation, namely "when you're a star they LET you do it".

      That's not a phrase of implied consent. He doesn't say, "When you're a star they WANT you to do it." The implication of the phrasing is that the woman is "letting" you do something that she's at best somewhat ambivalent about. If we're only talking about a kiss, maybe that amounts to a miscue or sexual harassment. But then Trump follows it with "You can do anything" and then talking about groping genitals. Again, no mention of the woman's desire or wishes -- "You can do anything."

      So, IF one chooses to take the preceding "they LET you do it" to mean the woman is giving less than strong affirmation even for a kiss, following it up with crotch grab just because "you can do anything" might be mistaken -- in this linguistic context -- as implying sexual assault.

      Again, I don't know whether Trump was actually intending to say that, because he says all sorts of crap that he obviously doesn't mean literally. He also could just be bragging in the context where this statement was recorded, rather than referring to his actual practice. Or whatever.

      But if you take his PHRASING literally, it seems to indicate significantly more aggressive behavior than simply failing to offer a Victorian verbal query before a kiss.

    21. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      Sexual acts done by consenting adults is not against the law, nor the public's business.

      Adultery.

    22. Re:Fucking bullshit ... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I can't use profanity because my Facebook Friends are actual friends, acquaintances, family and stuff.

      I swear when talking to friends, acquaintances, family and.. well everybody.

      "Want to go to the cinema tonight?" "Fuck that, I'm not paying their shitty prices. Lets go to that dance instead"

      This is called conversation and people that can't handle it can fuck off.

    23. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adultery is not illegal, moron.

    24. Re:Fucking bullshit ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      I swear when talking ...

      I don't have voice-active Facebook and I doubt you talk like that in the workplace and certainly not to your fucking boss or your goddam preacher.

      Also, face-to-face convos are rather difficult to copy/paste to places beyond your control.

      Just being fucking honest with your ass, OK?

      --
      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    25. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Clinton never grabbed a woman by the pussy, nor endorsed the practice. He got laid, which is different. The problem you and Trump seem to have is that you can't tell the difference between consensual, and non-consensual, sex. They're not equivilent.

      To be more accurate, Clinton got a blow job, but still consensual.

      --
      Calling someone a "hater" only means you can not rationally rebut their argument.
    26. Re:Fucking bullshit ... by Cederic · · Score: 1

      Are you shitting me? My manager is younger than me, female and American so of course I swear while talking with her - because none of those things, including her being my boss, are relevant.

      Anybody trying to preach at me tends not to hear me swearing at them. The more I'm pissed off with someone the more polite I get, because I'm choosing my words very fucking carefully. What I really want to say to most preachers would get me arrested.

      It's called language. Some of us have a strong command of it. Some of you don't. It's not our fault if some delicate fuckwit can't handle the word cunt.

    27. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by OhPlz · · Score: 1

      That's not true everywhere. Dipshit.

    28. Re:Fucking bullshit ... by CaptainDork · · Score: 1

      ... cunt ...

      Now I know you're lying.

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      It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
    29. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meh. Of course they let you do it. Gold diggers do this all the time. They probably wouldn't otherwise "spend time" with the people they do, but they do it because of the lavish lifestyle and gifts that brings with it. It doesn't mean they "want" the more intimate stuff any more than I "want" to go to work every day and yet I am not a slave for doing so.

    30. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 1

      The car park and the coffee room.

      --
      It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
    31. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      As soon as I posted it I figured some wit would interpret it like that.

      I was half right.

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    32. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Those with the money and/or loudest voice?

      OK, I'll concede you have a point if you don't use "or" in the phrase above.

      But I was talking about the origins of the Law, the Morals -- and that's why it was designed to protect those same Morals.

      Of course, then came the vultures and their lobbyists and Money took control of the Law construction process... and that's how we got into the current mess.

    33. Re: Fucking bullshit ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't Trump settle a rape charge with his first wife out of court? Complete with non-disclosure agreement forcing her to no longer refer to it as rape?

  7. Profanity and Honesty by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 4, Funny

    A lot of Slashdotters are really honest folks. Good to know. ðY

    1. Re:Profanity and Honesty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      And kernel project leaders.

    2. Re:Profanity and Honesty by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2

      I have no idea what you're talking about!

      --
      "BSD: Free as in speech. Linux: Free as in beer. Windows 10: Free as in herpes." --Man On Pink Corner in #52607549.
    3. Re:Profanity and Honesty by tinkerton · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is some sense in that, in that online one can be honest in relative safety. The downside is that an awful lot of people think that because they can shout down people with obscenities there must be some value in what they're saying.

      Personally I like the intermediate level of posting under a fixed username. It becomes a bit of an alternate persona rather than a license to act as an asshole. The alternate persona also has a reputation it cares about.

    4. Re:Profanity and Honesty by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      What the fuck are you talking about?

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    5. Re:Profanity and Honesty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ^^Fuck this guy

    6. Re:Profanity and Honesty by Cederic · · Score: 1

      I would agree but it turns out my alternate persona is nearly as big an arsehole as I am.

  8. Where does it max out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At some point where every second word is profanity-laced, does honesty stop increasing or even drop?
    How honest is a statement like "fuck the fucking fuckers". Almost no content, so hard to say.

    1. Re:Where does it max out? by bug_hunter · · Score: 1

      I think when you near that point it's not so much lying, but saying crap that has no basis in reality but you believe in it.

      --
      It's turtles all the way down.
    2. Re:Where does it max out? by EzInKy · · Score: 1

      When you don't respond with profanity it assumed you just don't care. Profanity is visceral, it comes from the gut.

      --
      Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
    3. Re:Where does it max out? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Depends on the context. I'd say if said with passion in the heat of battle, I would consider it quite honest.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  9. other applicable links to profanity. by nimbius · · Score: 4, Funny

    in computer science the application of expletives has also been scientifically correlated. For example:
    Ruby Programming: profanity causes Ruby to slowly reveal itself as nothing more than an elaborate and desparate cry for help. It is in fact not a programming language at all.
    Git: A bell curve of profanity and blasphemy can pinpoint the exact number of phrases required to successfully identify the team member who broke the build.
    iptables: cannot be run without profanity and is in fact compiled into the code itself
    Email: while its long been understood that profanity is a critical component of all email infrastructure, it may be curious to know that science has found Exchange servers in particular often default to routing mail based on the deafening curses against god almighty uttered by the admin.

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    Good people go to bed earlier.
    1. Re:other applicable links to profanity. by turning+in+circles · · Score: 1

      I have noticed much profanity-laden language by my family members staring at computers - and they're not even admins. Joking aside, the study is bullshit science (not real) and should not have gotten past the reviewers.

      --
      Might as well face it I'm addicted to data.
  10. Let me be the first to say it. by mykepredko · · Score: 4, Funny

    No fucking kidding.

  11. Honestly, Fuck Trump by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    n/t

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re: Honestly, Fuck Trump by mmell · · Score: 1

      Nope. Not even with your dick.

    2. Re: Honestly, Fuck Trump by Virtucon · · Score: 2

      Not even with your dick and Biden pushing.

      --
      Harrison's Postulate - "For every action there is an equal and opposite criticism"
    3. Re:Honestly, Fuck Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I would, just for the story.

      I'm not gay, but a great story is a great story.

    4. Re: Honestly, Fuck Trump by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Nope. Not even with your dick.

      But would you pee on him? I might be persuaded if the money was right.

      --
      You are welcome on my lawn.
    5. Re:Honestly, Fuck Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not lying here... you sound like a complete fuckstick douche bag as usual.

    6. Re: Honestly, Fuck Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll do it for his medal of freedom.

    7. Re: Honestly, Fuck Trump by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Not even if he was on fire.

      Today he looks, sounds and acts like a joke. By xmas I don't think we'll be laughing at him so much after a few deadly serious moments.

    8. Re:Honestly, Fuck Trump by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Sorry, not into older guys.

      But if it's any consolation to you, I wouldn't fuck Hillary either.

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      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    9. Re:Honestly, Fuck Trump by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, thank you.
      Unless you are talking about his wife.

    10. Re: Honestly, Fuck Trump by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      But would you pee on him? I might be persuaded if the money was right.

      I'd do it for free, but only to get a book deal. "The Yellow Piss Road: What Led me to This P[ia]ss"

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
  12. Repeat after me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Bloody correlation, not nearly the same as that godawful causation, bitches.

  13. Trump honest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Simply saying "some people think he's honest" is not an objective measure of honesty.

    In trump's case he regularly says the opposite of what he says the week month years before, so he's not honest by any measure. Google [trump contradicts trump] and you'll get so so many examples.

    I did a financial check on his election declaration and found none of the numbers matched real accounts released elsewhere. And often the lies are screaming fraud (e.g. He claims Scottish golf course makes millions in profit, has $300 million investment, yet UK accounts show its loss making and has half that investment. Investors money is siphoned off to HQ, borrowing on many projects is 120%+ of the assets best assessed value and income isn't able to pay the interest). I even ran a few revPar numbers to estimate/test the plausibility of the accounts he's hiding and many were 10x exaggerated. This is Madoff level fraud.

    Then there's the Pee memos.
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3259984-Trump-Intelligence-Allegations.html

    e.g. p15, 10th August 2016, "Kremlin engaging with several high profile US players, including STEIN, PAGE and (former DIA Director Michael Flynn) and funding their recent visits to Moscow.

    Who is Michael Flynn? In August he was a nobody, yet Putin was grooming him. Trump didn't pick Michael Flynn until November 18th, months *after* that date. How would Kremlin know Trump would pick Flynn if Kremlin wasn't involved in the picking?

    Time says Trump is a liar. Either because he himself says the opposite later, or because it reveals actions that could not be explained by Trump being honest. Like the Kremlin picking a pro-Kremlin General 3 months before Trump picks him.

    1. Re:Trump honest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad we don't have a Hoover in the the FBI to tap in Trump's phone calls and listen as "we have to get rid of him" is being talked about. It would be like Dallas all over again.

    2. Re:Trump honest? by Puff_Of_Hot_Air · · Score: 5, Insightful

      some people think he's honest

      and

      he's not honest by any measure

      are not in conflict. Trump uses profanity to appear honest; and as people associate profanity with honesty they attribute "straight-forward" and "honest" to his persona (I'm not American or pro or anti Trump, just an interested outside observer). Bullshit is an art, and he's better at it than most.

    3. Re:Trump honest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The existance of a correlation does not imply that counterexamples don't exist. Psychopaths and narcissists may show a different pattern, but they are minorities and won't have much infuence on the result.

    4. Re:Trump honest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Noticed your post's complete lack of expletives.

    5. Re:Trump honest? by gtall · · Score: 1

      Get it straight, Trump is not dishonest. To be dishonest he'd have to ascertain what is the truth. In Trump's case, he cannot lie because of three other personality traits, (1) he cannot recall what he said before, (2) what comes out of his mouth isn't something he's thought about, it merely exists ephemerally for the moment while he figures it can get him attention, (3) he picks up scraps of data (not information) like a dirty snowball rolling down a muddy hill. This is a man who thinks Championship Wrestling is a sport.

      David Brooks nailed it in a column a few weeks ago, most presidents have policy analysis behind what they say because they do not want to walk it back later, and more importantly, it fits into a cohesive and coherent policy agenda they are very interested in pursuing. In Trump's case, he has no problem saying the exact opposite of what he said prior and no thought in what he says current. There is no policy agenda in the sense of a uniting collection of principles to achieve some end. His cabinet choices show that clearly. He's a perpetual adolescent in need of parental approval (substitute societal institutions) but constantly kicking them in the shins because he needs the attention he gets by doing it.

    6. Re:Trump honest? by argStyopa · · Score: 2

      "In August he was a nobody"

      This is the sort of statement that illustrates your point ... is nothing more than a political screed.

      Michael Flynn served as the 18th Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, from July 22, 2012, to August 7, 2014.

      It's really not astonishingly shocking that a new president would select a former head of the DIA as National Security adviser, PARTICULARLY when most of the upper-level Washington insiders that might be ahead of him for the job signed one or more "NEVER TRUMP" letters ahead of the election.

      BTW, Flynn's a registered Democrat. That doesn't get reported much.

      I simply disbelieve that you did the financial checking you claim.

      Mr Obama set the new tone for politics when he told Republican senators who objected to his railroading legislation: "I won".
      Now Democrats get to see what that feels like, as well as a Presidency even *more* enabled with executive hubris and centralized power than Bush's 8 bad years of executive overreach.

      I don't like Trump, but the Left's ceaseless whinging is going to cost them more elections if they don't learn to fucking shut up.

      --
      -Styopa
    7. Re:Trump honest? by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Trump uses profanity to appear honest; and as people associate profanity with honesty they attribute "straight-forward" and "honest" to his persona (I'm not American or pro or anti Trump, just an interested outside observer). Bullshit is an art, and he's better at it than most.

      He has spent rather a lot of time training for this in the entertainment industry (almost a decade and a half). Which reminds me of something fellow entertainer George Burns was fond of saying:

      The key to success is sincerity. If you can fake that you've got it made.

    8. Re:Trump honest? by Radical+Moderate · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but making shit up while pretending to know what you're talking about is dishonest.

      --
      Never let a lack of data get in the way of a good rant.
  14. In other news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's an example of more cutting edge research in the peer-reviewed SPPS journal.

  15. Expression. by msauve · · Score: 1

    Now adjust that study for intelligence and vocabulary. Profanity is the simplest form of emphasis, used by those lacking the vocabulary to express themselves with more meaningful and less crude words.

    Especially "fuck," where George Carlin was right. If you have limited intelligence and vocabulary, it can be the universal adjective/verb/noun.

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    1. Re:Expression. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Now adjust that study for intelligence and vocabulary. Profanity is the simplest form of emphasis, used by those lacking the vocabulary to express themselves with more meaningful and less crude words.

      You have obviously never spoken to an Italian, or you'd know that gesticulation is the simplest form of emphasis. Here, it is <em>.

    2. Re:Expression. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have multiple science degrees and I swear like fuck. Am I just a fucking intelligent hick or what?

    3. Re:Expression. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Profanity is a very effective form of emphasis, and those with better linguistic skills can higher intellgence will often use the whole fucking panoply of available tools. instead of sounding like a Physical Ed. teacher bucking for promotion.

    4. Re:Expression. by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      What is the ceiling for Physical Ed teachers anyway? Professional football coach?

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  16. Seems plausible by Vegan+Cyclist · · Score: 2

    Consider people who say 'darn, frick', etc.. We all know what they're saying, and they're really lying to themselves by 'editing' how they're expressing themselves. Those who would express the actual terms they mean are demonstrating a higher degree of honesty in expression.

    1. Re:Seems plausible by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Honesty" can mean many things. Someone who has no verbal impulse control may be honest but it's not necessarily a good sign of character either. Such as when a person is drunk they are more likely to be honest because they lack the inhibition or capability of phrasing their words properly, and similarly drunk people do swear more. Honest also means one doesn't cheat or steal or take advantage of others, etc, which is not the same thing as blurting out the truth without thinking. For example, I'm sure the mugger in the alley will use quite a lot of profanity without being honest.

    2. Re:Seems plausible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While the word "honesty" has many connotations, in this case it simply means "not lying". That's how the researchers defined honesty, so what you're saying is true, but isn't relevant to this study.

    3. Re:Seems plausible by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Consider people who say 'darn, frick', etc.. We all know what they're saying, and they're really lying to themselves by 'editing' how they're expressing themselves.

      There are various reasons people avoid profanity, but one of the primary reasons is out of politeness or concern for not offending those around them. Some might consider failure to adhere to politeness conventions to be "honesty in expression," but it could also simply be a social convention. I reflexively say "Thank you" to the toll-booth person who accepts my toll, but I'm not actually grateful to them. It's just a social convention and reflex to thank people who provide a service to you. Similarly, I walk around saying "How are you?" to people as I pass them in the hallway or whatever, but it's well-known that most people aren't seriously asking that question in more than a cursory "standard greeting" sense.

      Are all of these people "lying" or not being "honest"? Or are they simply falling social convention, which also dictates that profanity is inappropriate in various social situations?

      My distinction here is not a minor one, because desirability to adhere to social convention is actually arguably what this study measured, rather than "honesty" or wh

      Consider people who say 'darn, frick', etc.. We all know what they're saying, and they're really lying to themselves by 'editing' how they're expressing themselves.

      There are various reasons people avoid profanity, but one of the primary reasons is out of politeness or concern for not offending those around them. Some might consider failure to adhere to politeness conventions to be "honesty in expression," but it could also simply be a social convention. I reflexively say "Thank you" to the toll-booth person who accepts my toll, but I'm not actually grateful to them. It's just a social convention and reflex to thank people who provide a service to you. Similarly, I walk around saying "How are you?" to people as I pass them in the hallway or whatever, but it's well-known that most people aren't seriously asking that question in more than a cursory "standard greeting" sense.

      Are all of these people "lying" or not being "honest"? Or are they simply falling social convention, which also dictates that profanity is inappropriate in various social situations?

      My distinction here is not a minor one, because desirability to adhere to social convention is actually arguably what this study measured, rather than "honesty" or whatever.

      There were three different components to this study. All have some problems.

      (1) The first used Amazon Mechanical Turk to get people to answer a bunch of personality questions. There was no actual assessment of whether people were ACTUALLY lying. instead, they were given a series of questions "using the Lie subscale of the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire Revised short scale," However, despite its name, this test isn't actually used to determine whether people are prone to lie in general! This subscale is used, as the study notes, for social desirability responding.

      That is, in the context of a personality test, this set of questions is used to fish out the people who are likely choosing answers based a little more on their "idealized" personality traits or what they might think would be "likeable," rather than being more realistic in their responses. Rather than a sort of "lie detector" test, it's more a test of how much a person wants to represent themselves as socially desirable. It has questions like, "If you say you will do something, do you always keep your promise no matter how inconvenient it might be?" If you answer "yes," the test assumes you to be a LIAR. But of course it has no way of knowing whether you are lying -- it rather assumes if you have more idealistic norms about social behavior that you're more likely to less realistic in your own self-reporting for personality questions.

      Anyhow, this is

    4. Re:Seems plausible by blind+biker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      For example, I'm sure the mugger in the alley will use quite a lot of profanity without being honest.

      That mugger is likely more honest than the suited banker that manipulated the system in his own favor, causing millions to lose their homes.

      --
      "The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
    5. Re:Seems plausible by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Such as when a person is drunk they are more likely to be honest because they lack the inhibition or capability of phrasing their words properly, and similarly drunk people do swear more.

      By "properly" here you must mean "carefully", or even "deceptively", since you are not applying modifiers to "honest" such as "apparently". But someone becoming intoxicated and specifically not being able to select the word they are looking for is probably at least as likely to produce unintended statements which are inaccurate representations of their internal mental state as they are to reveal some secret working of their thought processes, if not moreso.

      In vino veritas would not have any truth if the mechanism were simple bumbling. Instead, alcohol affects the inhibitions more than the abilities. That's why someone is often able to get their car out on the highway and up to ridiculous speed before they autoeuthanize under the influence of ethanol.

      For example, I'm sure the mugger in the alley will use quite a lot of profanity without being honest.

      Give me your wallet or you'll be sorry seems an exceptionally honest statement.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    6. Re:Seems plausible by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      While the word "honesty" has many connotations, in this case it simply means "not lying". That's how the researchers defined honesty, so what you're saying is true, but isn't relevant to this study.

      The study uses and defines "dishonesty" instead of the word "honesty"...

      Dishonesty

      In its most basic form, dishonesty involves the conscious attempt by a person to convince others of a false reality (Abe, 2011). In this work, we operationalize dishonesty as a generalized personal inclination to obscure the truth in natural, everyday life situations. The most common type of such dishonesty is represented by “white lies” or “social lies” that people tell themselves or others in order to appear more desirable or positive (DePaulo, Kashy, Kirkendol, Wyer, & Epstein, 1996; Granhag & Vrij, 2005). While most people claim to be honest most of the time (Aquino & Reed, 2002; Halevy, Shalvi, & Verschuere, 2013), research suggests that minor cases of dishonesty are quite common (DePaulo & Kashy, 1998; Hofmann, Wisneski, Brandt, & Skitka, 2014; Serota, Levine, & Boster, 2010), especially when people believe that dishonesty is harmless or justifiable (Fang & Casadevall, 2013) or that they can avoid any penalties (Gino, Ayal, & Ariely, 2009). In other words, people tend to rationalize their own dishonesty (Ayal & Gino, 2012) and perceive it as less severe (Peer, Acquisti, & Shalvi, 2014) or nonexistent (Mazar, Amir, & Ariely, 2008).

    7. Re:Seems plausible by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      People choose words carefully because of several things. Language is a complex protocol to communicate ideas, it may seem a simple concept in the brain but is complicated to get the idea across; break this down with alcohol and you see jumbled words as someone speaks faster than one thinks, and likelihood of profanity can rise Also we're trained to choose words carefully, told that theres a proper way of speaking either in school or at home, but this doens't always happen of course. Finally there is manners and politeness, also taught; someone speaks carefully to be polite or to maintain social standing.

    8. Re:Seems plausible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >that manipulated the system in his own favor

      The mugger has manipulated the situation just the same. Only difference is the magnitude of resources.
      Both the banker & mugger have has chosen lifestyles where one can...
      - plan & wait to take advantage of others.
      - have specialized tools/weapons/techniques that the victim can often not defend themselves against.
      - have an inner circle of friends that will help them or vouch for them.
      - will design, create, and take advantage of better environments to do their work.
      - have special lingo and dress codes that help them.
      - are very aware of the law.

      And in the end...
      - victims must learn/train what to look out for and how to mitigate these crooks' effect on them.

      So you see... such behavior is a regular human trait that person has cultivated even more & on purpose.
      It is a personal choice, not a result of The Man or Systems.

      -

  17. What the cunt? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ??

  18. Good for the gooser.... by Joviex · · Score: 1

    Bill Clinton grabbed plenty of pussy in office. But I guess it's ok to do it and lie about it as President?

    So because it was "OK" it still is "OK"?

    If you were upset the first time around, then you need to be upset this time around.

    Or are you to be counted among the groaning mass of Trump hypocrites ?

    1. Re:Good for the gooser.... by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's sudden grabbing and there's fondling after a breathy "Happy Birthday Mr President".
      One is a crime due to lack of consent and the other is between consenting adults.

      It's only the land of the nipple at the superbowl and places under Sharia law where I'd have to explain the difference between sexual assault and sex to someone over 15.

  19. Re:other applicable links to profanity - sendmail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, that is why the sendmail configuration file is what it is.

  20. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fuckin-A right.

  21. Objective fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Replying to my own thread with an example. You can objectively determine Trump is a liar, simply by comparing the incompatible numbers claimed in multiple places:

    http://therealdeal.com/la/2016/11/04/property-tax-appeals-may-show-trumps-financial-disclosures-to-be-overstated/

    "At 40 Wall Street, for example, Trump wrote in his book “Never Give Up” that the building makes approximately $20 million a year in rent and was worth $500 million in 2008, the year the book was published....On financial disclosure forms filed with the Federal Election Commission, the Republican presidential candidate listed the property’s income at more than $5 million, the highest category on the form....But the forms he filed with the city Tax Commission to appeal 40 Wall Street’s property taxes show that after mortgage payments and other costs, the building’s cash flow in 2014 was $104,000. During the previous three years, in the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis, it had negative cash flow of $5.5 million."

    Now you might say "well he made a mistake" or "his understanding of the numbers has improved....", or the latest numbers not yet revealed show a total turnaounrd etc. but this is the norm with Trump numbers. They're all made up.

    I notice that when I crunch fraud numbers, the fraudsters always use a simple multiplier, and the real numbers concealed as best possible. These two factors suggest the fraud is deliberate. The combination of concealment of real numbers, and the fraudulant public numbers always being a multiplier of the real numbers. Mistakes are random, you're as likely to find an overestimate as an underestimate in mistakes. Not so with fraud.

    I think it's difficult for fraudsters to keep track of the lies they've told, so they use the real numbers adjusted by a simple multipler. Usually it's a x10 or x100, x1000 or x2 to keep it simple to convert in their head from real to fraud number.

    And to hide the truth they hide the real numbers (like not revealing your tax returns in an election).

    Trump exhibits both traits, suggesting he's aware of his fraud.

    1. Re:Objective fraud by arth1 · · Score: 1

      You can objectively determine Trump is a liar, simply by comparing the incompatible numbers claimed in multiple places

      No, you can't. For an objective determination that he's a liar, you also have to show intent, or you have just shown inconsistencies. Those could be due to a number of causes, including but not limited to mental disease or deficiencies, wild guesses, changing his mind, obtaining new information, or indeed lying.
      But to conclude he's a liar is to beg the question.

    2. Re:Objective fraud by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1, Informative

      First, you know that the pee memos were made up by 4chan, right? And that story's inclusion in a document (the one you linked) written by the fake news company behind all of the "1 simple trick to get you to click this link" ads does not exactly say good things about their sources or verification?

      And second...

      the building makes approximately $20 million a year in rent and was worth $500 million in 2008 ... the building's cash flow in 2014 was $104,000. During the previous three years, in the fallout of the 2008 financial crisis, it had negative cash flow of $5.5 million. ... .On financial disclosure forms filed with the Federal Election Commission, the Republican presidential candidate listed the property's income at more than $5 million, the highest category on the form

      I put those back in order for you. Still don't see it? Try this version:

      2008, height of the boom: +20 million.
      2009-2010, "the end of the world": ???
      2011-2013, 3 years waiting for the recovery: negative 1.8 million (average)
      2014, back in black, but just barely: +104,000
      2015, healthy, but not back to pre-bust levels: +5 million

      I'd be more skeptical about these numbers if not for the thousands of stories in the financial press about the crash and recovery of CRE that map out this exact same roller coaster in all of the markets in the US.

      As for Michael Flynn, Wikipedia considered him noteworthy starting January 5th, 2010.

      P.S. Calling your own bias "objective" is the hallmark of a liar.

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    3. Re:Objective fraud by dbIII · · Score: 1

      you also have to show intent

      He's not being convicted.
      He's being described.

      If he's told a lot of incredibly obvious lies he's a liar no matter what reason it was for.
      For example, Mark Twain called himself a liar despite doing it to entertain while making sure he didn't actually fool anybody beyond the end of whatever tall tail was told.
      Trump lies. A lot. Whether he calls it making a deal, conning a rube or locker room talk or whatever it's still a lie no matter what reason it was for. How else did he turn the anger at the "1%" into getting people to vote for one of the worst of the "1%"?

    4. Re:Objective fraud by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      I can show you intent:
      http://www.politico.com/story/...

      pants on fire.

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    5. Re:Objective fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those of us who have actually been taught accounting know that while giving different numbers to different recipients sounds shady as hell, it's not. It's the result of having to follow different laws.

      For example (examples based on Danish laws)

      In tax law, depreciation can often be postponed (up to five years) because it's a tool to lower your taxes, and if you don't have any taxable income this year, you can't lower your taxes any further.

      Where as in accounting law, they cannot, because investors need to know what the company is actually worth.

      And once you've done that once, you'll never be able to give the same numbers again, as your balance starts out with the numbers from last year.

    6. Re:Objective fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making false statements due to ignorance of the truth is not lying. It's being honestly mistaken/incorrect.

    7. Re:Objective fraud by Hulfs · · Score: 2

      The 4chan claim about making up the dossier is utter bullshit.

      http://gizmodo.com/4chan-idiot...

    8. Re:Objective fraud by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      As for Michael Flynn, Wikipedia considered him noteworthy starting January 5th, 2010 [wikipedia.org].

      And below is the whole content of the page in the link you mentioned...

      Michael T. Flynn is a Major General in the U.S. military and the top military intelligence officer in Afghanistan. He published an "extraordinary" report on "the failure of his own service, American military intelligence, in Afghanistan over the last eight years." [1]

      And there is a note on the top...

      This is an old revision of this page, as edited by ChildofMidnight (talk | contribs) at 18:44, 5 January 2010 ...

      Speaking of "noteworthy"... Really???

    9. Re:Objective fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want to know whether or not Trump is a Fraud, just read his goddamn book-- I'll give you a summary:

      1. Fake an like your ass off toe get other people to bank roll you.
      2. Say No.
      3. Bankrupt to renegotiate or eliminate debt.
    10. Re:Objective fraud by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Making false statements due to ignorance of the truth is not lying. It's being honestly mistaken/incorrect.

      Do you really think that applies in this case? If so Trump's got a bridge he can sell to you.

    11. Re:Objective fraud by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      Apparently you've never looked at wikipedia history before. Take a look at this first mention. Hmm, that page was created 9 months before winning a national office. Flynn's first mention was 84 months before he was up a national office. And even big complicated pages start with little tiny nuggets.

      And there is a note on the top...

      This is an old revision of this page, as edited by ChildofMidnight (talk | contribs) at 18:44, 5 January 2010 ...

      If only you had kept reading... The stuff that you elided is very important to understanding what you were looking at.

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    12. Re:Objective fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't know what you're talking about. Cash flow after costs is not the same as income nor is it the same as worth. You're comparing different units and saying since the numbers aren't equal Trump lies. Trump, like every other politician, lies, but your supporting evidence is complete bullshit.

      Pointing out only Trump is a liar and by omission trying to imply he's worse than everyone else undermines your credibility and thus everything you said. I'm no fan of Trump, but all the bullshit us non-Trump fans spread makes us look like idiots. Please stop.

    13. Re:Objective fraud by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      Ok, here is the history link of the page -- https://en.wikipedia.org/w/ind...

      See some odd things going on there (especially during October 2016)?

  22. That's fucking bullshit by zm · · Score: 1

    Honestly, fuck the fucking fuckers.

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  23. Death to Newspeak. by plopez · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They are not "challenges" or "opportunities", they're fucking problems. It's not "cost restructuring" it's firing people over the age of 40 because it looks good on a spreadsheet.
    In addition:
    "value proposition" -> will people pay for the shit you're selling
    "sharing economy" -> slave labor
    "Reagonomics" -> fucking laissez faire economics that failed in the 1800s and won't fucking work now
    "innovation" -> financial shell games by a bunch of thieving pig fucking bastards
    "market efficiency" -> stealing others labor
    "release 3.0" -> release 1.0 (if you're lucky) of a steaming pile of shit software that should never have been release
    "Software Engineer" -> fucking code monkey
    "Spin Meister" -> this is an interesting term. It seems to be related to the German work "spinnen" meaning to lie or tell a tall tale. In other words a fucking master liar.

    Feel free to add a few more or your favorite examples of Newspeak.

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    1. Re:Death to Newspeak. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a few:

      "Sharing" -> gaining social capital from theft
      "Information wants to be free" -> I want your information to be free
      "Open" -> you can't use this code in your product unless we approve of its ethos
      "Pseudoscience" -> I already decided this doesn't work, stop researching it
      "Feminazi" -> stop saying you don't have power when collectively you're all stopping me from getting laid

      Captcha: divisive

    2. Re:Death to Newspeak. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What are you so pissed about? You can keep using your closed source crap all you want. Let others use open source, what the fuck is it away from you, you selfish little piece of shit. The only one here wanting sharing of information for free without giving back seems to be you.

    3. Re:Death to Newspeak. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I already decided this doesn't work, stop researching it" -> You never started researching it so stop whining.

    4. Re:Death to Newspeak. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. too many examples of newspeak, i could type miles.

      civil rights == revocable privileges, civil law (not common law, the american law system, based on "property in rights" and "rights in property" (your rights are your property, being a "citizen" at any level is optional, since you already have all the "Rights"in the world just for being a living breathing human) )
      city == press-ganging inland piracy
      account == personage, unlawful conversion
      money == debt notes, IOUs, usury slavery
      dollar == credit, checks, voluntary optional bartering, not even legal tender, unlawful conversion; paper IOUs at best, digital nothingness nowadays "credit"; non-redeemable pieces of paper
      interest == usury slavery, loaning of "money" created out of thin air
      loan == monetizing your signature, loaning you "money" that you created back to you
      mortgage == 100% interest + whatever else on top
      capital == anti-capital, based on no substance or value, essentially just "credit" made out of thin air
      birth certficate == press-ganging, trust fraud
      bank == pickpockets, with no capital or reserves or money

      -------
      http://www.mindserpent.com/American_History/federal/fed_res/banking_books/The_Borrower_Should_Repay_the_Lender-Tom_Schauf.pdf
      http://home.hiwaay.net/~becraft/mcfadden.html
      http://www.annavonreitz.com/fortheboys.pdf
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

    5. Re:Death to Newspeak. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a few more, to add to my prior list.

      may seem complex, but there is a pattern if you look very carefully. [*]

      state == incorporated goverment services corporation, private, posing as public entity and office, with no civil or land authority, operating under "commerce"/merchant law / civil law/equity but not common law of the land
      county == incorporated goverment services corporation, private, posing as public entity and office, with no civil or land authority, operating under "commerce"/merchant law / civil law/equity but not common law of the land
      city == incorporated goverment services corporation, private, posing as public entity and office, with no civil or land authority, operating under "commerce"/merchant law / civil law/equity but not common law of the land
      federal reserve == incorporated goverment services corporation, private, posing as public entity and office, with no civil or land authority, operating under "commerce"/merchant law / civil law/equity but not common law of the land
      dept. of treasury (instead of treasury) == incorporated goverment services corporation, private, posing as public entity and office, with no civil or land authority, operating under "commerce"/merchant law / civil law/equity but not common law of the land
      mayor/politician/city council/judge/law enforcement officer/sherriff == incorporated goverment services corporation, private, posing as public entity and office, with no civil or land authority, operating under "commerce"/merchant law / civil law/equity but not common law of the land
      united states inc. == incorporated goverment services corporation, private, posing as public entity and office, with no civil or land authority, operating under "commerce"/merchant law / civil law/equity but not common law of the land

      http://www.annavonreitz.com/fortheboys.pdf

      [*] the pattern is incorporating everyone and everything, limited liability, posing as public offices when actually private, and sucking living human beings into "commerce" outside of their natural american common law state/jurisdiction/type of law.

      the other pattern is posing as things they are not, not disclosing to anyone what type of law they are operating under at any given time. at best, wearing multiple hats at the same time, trying to serve two masters. in many cases, undeclared foreign agents.

      (mostly british, who are the trustee of inland waterways for america...admiral law came on land even before the "civil war" so that tells you how well they are at being "trustee" )

      go ahead, ask any of these entities which type(s) of "law" they use, and what authority they have. in my experience you will likely get silence, or "hire a private lawyer".

  24. Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Those who NEED to lie, defend inquiries that might REVEAL the lie by attacking with profanity. The mark is less likely to pursue that line of investigation, keeping them on track.

    Push Trump's finances button and you get attacked BECAUSE HE'S HIDING STUFF THERE.
    Push Trump's 'Putin' links and you get attacked, BECAUSE HE'S HIDING STUFF THERE.

    1. Re:Incorrect by hodet · · Score: 2

      Trump gives out all the non verbal cues. And it doesn't matter one shit, short of discovering a rotting corpse in his office he was going to come in. Even then, he may have been forgiven. I also remember Clinton when he was pointing his finger saying "I DID NOT HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS WITH THAT WOMAN". I remember seeing that and thinking...damn, he did it. Why not just own it?

  25. There is no link. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe if it was narrowed down to public figures, but not population as a whole.

    I will never swear when anyone is around and I never lie or even half lie/

    Trump is a very successful businessman, and you are not successful for such a long time if you lie. That is why people trust him, not because of the language he uses, though I have not heard him swear. Obama never swore, but no one can trust him on anything. so I guess that is 2 for 2 as far as presidents go.

  26. Honesty is not a virtue by backslashdot · · Score: 2

    Honesty in the sense of always telling the truth is no virtue. Just because you tell the truth doesn't mean you are a good person. It just means you aren't too worried about consequences .. either out of stupidity or because you possess a large amount of power.

    1. Re:Honesty is not a virtue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So fucking true. A ruler or a balance never lie. They will always tell you the truth, no matter what you want to hear. It does not make them "virtuous". Heck, it doesn't even make them "honest", just stupid.

    2. Re:Honesty is not a virtue by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      Honesty in the sense of always telling the truth is no virtue. Just because you tell the truth doesn't mean you are a good person.

      I've been on this Earth for almost five decades, and my experience as well as research show that people who tell the truth more often, are also more honest, sharing, giving and fair in their behavior.

      It just means you aren't too worried about consequences .. either out of stupidity or because you possess a large amount of power.

      Most people who achieved some kind of position of power (politicians and CEOs) or wealth, have done so with a degree of lying and manipulation. Being able to tell a bold-faced lie without batting an eyelid gives you a huge advantage in life. This is related to the fact that CEOs are four times more likely to be psychopaths, than non-CEOs.

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    3. Re:Honesty is not a virtue by Undead+Waffle · · Score: 1

      Just because you tell the truth doesn't mean you are a good person.

      It also doesn't mean you are a bad person. And if you find yourself frequently in situations where not lying has "consequences" your life is probably kind of fucked up (and/or you must be a lawyer).

    4. Re:Honesty is not a virtue by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Just because you tell the truth doesn't mean you are a good person. It just means you aren't too worried about consequences

      Of all the things that I would like people not to worry about the consequences of, telling the truth is at the top of the list. Indeed, in casual thought I cannot imagine anything else which should be on the list. We imagine that people withholding the truth from us are doing us a favor only because we have come to depend on being coddled in this way like sensitive children (or one might say special snowflakes) and it is to the detriment of all.

      either out of stupidity or because you possess a large amount of power.

      Those in power tend to have the most to lose if the truth is widely known, because power over others is amassed by abusing them.

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  27. Stupid study by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 1

    This is not a study about honesty, it's a study about whether or not people are honest about their use of profanity. (The second sub-test, about pronoun usage, seems dubious at best.)

  28. Say flippin' WHAT? by buss_error · · Score: 2
    The researchers cite the example of President-elect Donald Trump who used swear words in some of his speeches while campaigning in last year's U.S. election and was considered, by some, to be more genuine than his rivals.

    Donald John Trump, PeOTUS, has told more verified lies in his short political career than many with 30 or 40 years in the pubic eye.

    If you voted for him, I'm glad you got your choice. But, hey, really? DJT? Wow.

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    1. Re:Say flippin' WHAT? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Won't be long before those Trump voters figured out that Trump lied about every campaign promise he ever made. Having Mexico pay for the wall? Nope. Locking up Hillary? Oh, hell no. Draining the swamp? Not with crony capitalists in key government positions.

    2. Re:Say flippin' WHAT? by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Even with all the absolute bullshit DT said the voting public believed he was more hones than hillary

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    3. Re: Say flippin' WHAT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Won't be long before those Trump voters figured out that Trump lied about every campaign promise he ever made.

      I figure no less than 10 years, more like 15, but they'll have to keep up the lie anyway.

      Can't admit the damned tailors got them again.

    4. Re:Say flippin' WHAT? by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      Trump certainly said things that were wrong, but did he lie, or was he mostly just running his mouth on topics about which he didn't have much of a clue?

      The article talks about him being more "genuine" than his rivals. There's a difference between saying something that's not true when you know it's not true(telling a lie) and making a false statement when you are "genuinely" uninformed.

    5. Re:Say flippin' WHAT? by buss_error · · Score: 1
      There's a difference between saying something that's not true when you know it's not true(telling a lie) and making a false statement when you are "genuinely" uninformed.

      Statements PeOTUS made proven to be lies:

      There was "serious voter fraud" in Virginia.

      There was "serious voter fraud" in New Hampshire.

      There was "serious voter fraud" in California.

      Says he "won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally."

      Says that at a campaign rally President Barack Obama "spent so much time screaming at a protester, and frankly it was a disgrace."

      Says Hillary Clinton "wants to let people just pour in. You could have 650 million people pour in and we do nothing about it. Think of it. Thatâ(TM)s what could happen. You triple the size of our country in one week."

      "Wikileaks also shows how John Podesta rigged the polls by oversampling Democrats, a voter suppression technique."

      When Hillary Clinton "ran the State Department, $6 billion was missing. How do you miss $6 billion? You ran the State Department, $6 billion was either stolen â" they don't know."

      "We don't have any" chess grandmasters in the United States.

      Says he won the second debate with Hillary Clinton "in a landslide" in "every poll."

      I don't really care though. It's a moot point for the next 4 to 8 years anyway.

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  29. Wouldn't this imply he was honest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The same story would tend to indicate that he's honest, you know.

    Anyhow, I hope you're not planning to be one of the #DisruptJ20 people who are about to get busted for trying to use acid to attack the inauguration.

    1. Re:Wouldn't this imply he was honest? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Anyhow, I hope you're not planning to be one of the #DisruptJ20 people who are about to get busted for trying to use acid to attack the inauguration.

      No, I have nothing to do with James O'Keefe.

      https://boingboing.net/2017/01...

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    2. Re:Wouldn't this imply he was honest? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, Trump supporters with dosh have been caught in a sting operation trying to pay people to disrupt the inauguration.

      And, after pizzagate and even your orangutan-with-shreddies calling stuff fake news, how can you plop out a claim like that without wondering if it's fake?

  30. pooh. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    Assuming you believe lie detector results, it sounds like they were just measuring how honest the participants were about how many naughty words they new. And from that perspective it goes without saying that there would be a correlation between being honest and reporting more words.

    Also, as regards holding back on the actual use of naughty words (which, BTW, they didn't measure), they need to consider the difference between "dishonesty" and "manners".

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  31. Probably true conclusion, horrible example by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Trump likes to brag about his wealth and his deals, no doubt doubt about that, and his "co-author" (who did all the writing) knows that spinning it even bigger than what Trump said sells more books. So yeah the numbers in book, written in 2007 based on what Trump said in 2006, were likely exaggerated, or at least "best case" gross margin.

    Seven years later, when appealing a tax assessment in 2014, his accountant would have done the opposite - figured every possible deduction, including travel costs for Trump (in his 737). Taxable net income and gross margin are two very, very different things.

    1. Re: Probably true conclusion, horrible example by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's almost as if financial accounting is different from tax accounting.

  32. Facebook as a reliable datasource?!? by thesjaakspoiler · · Score: 2

    Then your research results are likely to be skewed from the beginning. As if the Facebook audience is representative for society in the first place. *facepalm*

  33. east coasters are honest by avandesande · · Score: 1

    In NJ profanity is used in place of spaces between words

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  34. Re: Here is how Political Correctness goes down by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Seriously, PC is a form of control, and under control you are not allowed to be honest.

    Disparagement is a form on control, and by disparaging those portrayed as "PC" as being dishonest, a person can manipulate their way into moral superiority, even if it is dishonest. Wankers.

    No wonder, why Clinton was perceived as less honest, as deceitful and un-reliable. This study just confirmed the bias which has been evidence during the recent elects.

    Which is exactly why a master manipulator managed to snowjob....well, 3 million or so fewer votes, yet has to try to convince us that it was a landslide. The pisspot.

  35. No Shit Sherlock! by WhoBeDaPlaya · · Score: 1

    No Shit Sherlock!

  36. Or they know that long term habits are important by raymorris · · Score: 2

    Some people try to cleverly figure out what to say to each person about each situation, coming up with different lies and half-truths. Sometimes that works well for them, sometimes it blows up in their face. It's a bit of a crap shoot.

    Other people figure honesty is the best *policy*, a long-term principle you stick to in almost all situations, knowing that in the long term, it works well. *Being* a liar doesn't work as well as being an honest person, they figure (and they're not wrong).

    In my particular case, I have two additional reasons to *try* to be honest all the time. One, I tend to do things in the extreme. If I decide to be a liar and a thief, I'm probably going to be a big fat liar and steal well over the felony threshold. Secondly, my career is in security. 40 hours a week, I show banks and other institutions how hackers can exploit theirb systems. I study multi-million dollar hacks and thefts, because that's my job. I *know* how to steal a million dollars, I *tend* to go big in everything I do - if I decide to become a thief I might well end up in Leavenworth, not in county jail.

  37. How scientific is this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe this is true of 276 people in the Netherlands, but how does that small of a population survey apply to the rest of the world?

  38. Really? by Jason1729 · · Score: 1

    The research found that those who used more profanity were also more likely to use language patterns that have been shown in previous research to be related to honesty, such as using pronouns like "I" and "me."

    Well fuck me, I never heard such bullshit. I know these fucktards pull shit out of their assholes and fling at real researchers it while crying "me. me. me, I get all the research money. Fucking nonsense, I think these piece of shit researchers need to be fired. Listen to me people.

  39. Missed point by execthis · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I think the point that many are missing is that many people who lie are so inured to it that they aren't even aware of it anymore. It's just in their nature. They're way past the state of mind of being intentionally deceitful as other commenters say here. Those are the really scary people and often most difficult to detect. I honestly believe that the Clinton's are truly of this class. Scamming has become so wrote to them that it is literally integrated into their personalities at a fundamental level.

    1. Re:Missed point by dbIII · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I find it very funny when someone says "believe me" after a huge and incredibly obvious lie. It seems to happen a lot.

      Scamming has become so wrote to them that it is literally integrated into their personalities at a fundamental level.

      They, the Bush family and a few other families lurking mostly around Washington have been at it for more than one generation. If you read a bit about Washington before the civil war you'll recognize a lot of surnames (not the Bush family but plenty of others), that's how long some of these "dynasties" have been going in the land that revolted against royalty.
      Christopher Hitchins knew Bill Clinton personally from the age of around 20 despite seeming to try to avoid him as much as possible - what he wrote on the topic provides a very interesting and very critical view from "the left".

    2. Re:Missed point by execthis · · Score: 1

      I find it very funny when someone says "believe me" after a huge and incredibly obvious lie. It seems to happen a lot.

      I find it creepy as hell.

    3. Re:Missed point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Scamming has become so wrote to them

      Bad idea. Roting things down leaves a paper trail.

    4. Re:Missed point by gtall · · Score: 1

      Grammar Police, that would be "rote".

    5. Re:Missed point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Scamming has become so wrote to them

      Bad idea. Roting things down leaves a paper trail.

      You can always just wipe it with a towel.

      Or BitBleach, then rely on the AG to pressure the FBI to let you get away with it...

    6. Re:Missed point by Altrag · · Score: 1

      I find it useful. Any time a politician says "believe me," you can stop listening because they're about to spout off a lie that you absolutely shouldn't believe. Its kind of unnecessary to request belief when the truth is obvious.

  40. The first rule of tautology club... by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

    People with less filter some of the time are more likely to have less filter the rest of the time. Also, are they really more honest or just more certain? It's easy to be certain when truth isn't an issue (like in the case of profanity or opinions).

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    1. Re: The first rule of tautology club... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not everyone uses profanity so has to 'filter'.

  41. Non Sequitur Conclusion by dszd0g · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This study seems to be coming to a completely bogus non sequitur conclusion.

    You could use any question that people would be less than honest about. It would be like asking people how often they masturbate and then finding that people who said they masturbated more often were more honest in general. Instead of saying that people who were honest about how often they masturbate are more honest in general, the "researchers" here would conclude that people who masturbate more often are more honest...

    Any researchers that find Trump to be honest need their blood alcohol level examined during the research. A decent chunk of the country thought he was more honest than Clinton, but that is grading on quite the curve...

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    1. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by locofungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm not even sure the study is that good.

      It seems there are four groups:

      People who use profanity and admit it.
      People who don't use profanity and admit it.
      People who use profanity but don't admit it.
      People who don't use profanity but claim to.

      If we make the assumption that there's nobody in the last class and the other three classes are all equal sized then people who admit to using profanity will all be honest while only half of the people who claim to not use profanity will be honest.

      In fact, I cannot see any way that the people who admit to using profanity can possibly appear less honest than the people who do on this test.

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    2. Re: Non Sequitur Conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      U drunk? Class 3 is profane and untrustworthy. So 50% of the profane are liars, but 0% of non profane are.

    3. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      I use profanity, you ... you ... mittens!

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    4. Re: Non Sequitur Conclusion by locofungus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Different test. Yours is a tautology.

      My test: people who admit to using profanity are 100% truthful. People who say they don't are 50/50 truthful.

      I show that even if people who don't use profanity are 100% truthful, the claim "I don't use profanity" is a better indicator of being a liar than "I use profanity" even though the only people who lie are those who use profanity.

      Your test: people who don't use profanity are 100% truthful - but that's an axiom in my (made up) data because I exclude class 4. only 50% of the ones who do use profanity are truthful - I assign equal numbers to the three extant classes.

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    5. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any researchers that find Trump to be honest need their blood alcohol level examined during the research. A decent chunk of the country thought he was more honest than Clinton, but that is grading on quite the curve...

      You know how you can tell a Hillary voter from anyone else? Don't worry, they'll tell you.

    6. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's right. Most Trump supporters know they shouldn't tell people what they did. Only the stupidest tout their support for the orange dildo.

    7. Re: Non Sequitur Conclusion by parkinglot777 · · Score: 1

      U drunk? Class 3 is profane and untrustworthy. So 50% of the profane are liars, but 0% of non profane are.

      The 4th group are also liars -- claimed to use profanity but actually don't use it -- so I am not sure how you come up with 0% here.

      By the way, I don't agree with the study methodology and conclusion. I understand that they tried to quantify behavior, so that a measurement could be applied. However, the accuracy of quantification method that the study used is NO WHERE NEAR the acceptable level in science but rather way too low (up to 67%). Thus, the study is just garbage...

      The honesty of the status updates written by the participants was assessed following the approach introduced by Newman, Pennebaker, Berry, and Richards (2003) using LIWC. Their analyses showed that liars use fewer first-person pronouns (e.g., I, me), fewer third-person pronouns (e.g., she, their), fewer exclusive words (e.g., but, exclude), more motion verbs (e.g., arrive, go), and more negative words (e.g., worried, fearful; Newman, Pennebaker, Berry, & Richards, 2003). ... Newman et al. (2003) achieved up to 67% accuracy when detecting lies, which was significantly higher than the 52% near-chance accuracy achieved by human judges.

    8. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by gnick · · Score: 2

      If we make the assumption that there's nobody in the last class and the other three classes are all equal sized...

      What on earth led you to assume that the other 3 groups are the same size? That seems far-fetched to me.

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    9. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      I wasn't terribly impressed by the description of it either. I like the message but I'm not sure I'm going to latch onto any random nonsense just because it confirms my own biases.

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    10. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly!

    11. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The apparently-subtle point being missed here (and the summary is pretty oblique too), is: the difference is in perception, not reality. People who swear are likely to be perceived as more honest. There's no claim that they actually are more honest.

    12. Re:Non Sequitur Conclusion by Hans-HenrikStærfeld · · Score: 1

      You can always suggest a subdivision of the grouping in an experiment. But in essence you're simply suggesting a different experiment, that may or may not show stronger correlations on your subgroups. In the same way you could also claim that a subdivision on hair color would yield better results. It doesn't invalidate the existing correlation, but you might criticize them for the detailed wording of their conclusion. Probably the abstract here makes simplifications that are not strictly what was reported (that happens very often!)

  42. [Corrected post] by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apologies for the repeated post, but I accidentally did an incorrect "cut-and-paste" right before hitting "submit," which resulted in repeating the words of much of the post several times.

    Consider people who say 'darn, frick', etc.. We all know what they're saying, and they're really lying to themselves by 'editing' how they're expressing themselves.

    There are various reasons people avoid profanity, but one of the primary reasons is out of politeness or concern for not offending those around them. Some might consider failure to adhere to politeness conventions to be "honesty in expression," but it could also simply be a social convention. I reflexively say "Thank you" to the toll-booth person who accepts my toll, but I'm not actually grateful to them. It's just a social convention and reflex to thank people who provide a service to you. Similarly, I walk around saying "How are you?" to people as I pass them in the hallway or whatever, but it's well-known that most people aren't seriously asking that question in more than a cursory "standard greeting" sense.

    Are all of these people "lying" or not being "honest"? Or are they simply falling social convention, which also dictates that profanity is inappropriate in various social situations?

    My distinction here is not a minor one, because desirability to adhere to social convention is actually arguably what this study measured, rather than "honesty" or whatever. There were three different components to this study. All have some problems.

    (1) The first used Amazon Mechanical Turk to get people to answer a bunch of personality questions. There was no actual assessment of whether people were ACTUALLY lying. instead, they were given a series of questions "using the Lie subscale of the Eysenck Personality Questionnaire Revised short scale," However, despite its name, this test isn't actually used to determine whether people are prone to lie in general! This subscale is used, as the study notes, for social desirability responding.

    That is, in the context of a personality test, this set of questions is used to fish out the people who are likely choosing answers based a little more on their "idealized" personality traits or what they might think would be "likeable," rather than being more realistic in their responses. Rather than a sort of "lie detector" test, it's more a test of how much a person wants to represent themselves as socially desirable. It has questions like, "If you say you will do something, do you always keep your promise no matter how inconvenient it might be?" If you answer "yes," the test assumes you to be a LIAR. But of course it has no way of knowing whether you are lying -- it rather assumes if you have more idealistic norms about social behavior that you're more likely to less realistic in your own self-reporting for personality questions.

    Anyhow, this is a TERRIBLE proxy for "dishonesty" generally. It basically is measuring how close people want to try to adhere to social norms. And avoiding profanity in many situations is also trying to adhere to social norms. So it's basically a tautology that they found a correlation in the first study.

    (2) Okay, on to the next one. Here, again, they didn't actually determine whether people were telling falsehoods. Rather, they looked at a bunch of Facebook messages and statistically analyzed how many times people used 1st and 3rd person pronouns, motion verbs, and anxiety words. They claim that this is a good way to tell how "honest" people are. Except the study they use as a benchmark to calibrate the frequency of these linguistic categories (this study) involved people giving detailed responses to prompts, both telling the truth and lying. The average words for the samples varied from 124 words for one category (people expressing a position on abortion while videotaped) up to 529 words (were people expressed an opinio

    1. Re:[Corrected post] by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1

      You're making a dichotomy where none exists. "Social conventions" are obviously, through several different mechanisms, the number one generator of lies.

    2. Re:[Corrected post] by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I reflexively say "Thank you" to the toll-booth person who accepts my toll, but I'm not actually grateful to them. It's just a social convention and reflex to thank people who provide a service to you.

      Well, stop it. You're cheapening the value of thanks.

      Similarly, I walk around saying "How are you?" to people as I pass them in the hallway or whatever, but it's well-known that most people aren't seriously asking that question in more than a cursory "standard greeting" sense.

      It strikes me as normal and productive to be concerned with the well-being of people around you, even if for no other reason than that what is affecting them might also affect you. That is, even if you don't give one tenth of one shit about someone, it is still rational to ask how they are doing.

      How many Facebook posts do you see with at least 124 words in them, let alone over 500 words?

      Most of them that have enough words to be worth examining. My friends are as apt to post tracts as one-liners.

      In other words, you'd have a much better predictor if you knew where roughly somebody was from in the country and what states are around them rather than using these "integrity" ranking scores.

      I do not need science to tell me not to trust anyone who lives in Florida.

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  43. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    abc

  44. heh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The researchers cite the example of President-elect Donald Trump who used swear words in some of his speeches while campaigning in last year's U.S. election and was considered, by some, to be more genuine than his rivals.

    Did someone just use Trump as an example of an *honest* person?

  45. Such a fucking load of bullshit. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really.

    "They were also asked to rate their reasons for using these words and then took part in a lie test to determine whether they were being truthful or simply responding in the way they thought was socially acceptable."

    So the opposed of "being truthful" is now to "respond in the way one thinks is socially acceptable"? This is so outrageously stupid that it might be malicious.

    There may be other motivations to lie. Possibly one might be interested in (gasp!) manipulating one's audience. Using swear words might (gasp! gasp!) even help here.

  46. Honestly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Honestly I find this whole thing to be profane damnit.

  47. A bit old by Lauriy · · Score: 1

    http://www.zmescience.com/science/news-science/swearing-honestly-654/

  48. Swearing by ledow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    People who don't swear scare the fucking life out of me.

    Honestly.

    There's a difference between swearing AT someone or IN FRONT OF someone. You never swear AT a child. You can swear in front of one. (And if the parents have half a brain, they are told not to repeat it but I guarantee the primmest of young girls know all the swearwords by their teenage year if they want to use them.)

    Swearing is an expression of emotion, for the most part. There are people who put it in just because it feels big (you can spot those people even into adulthood), but mostly it expresses the scale of emotion behind what they are saying.

    Something is stupid.
    Something is FUCKING stupid.

    They are entirely different things.

    But people who deliberately DO NOT swear or - worse - do not tolerate swearing in their presence at all, they scare me. There's something repressive about that. I work in big posh schools and I guarantee you that even the most pretentious and correcting headmaster will swear at times, and the staffroom is full of expletives.

    Swearing is the emoticon of language. It provides emphasis, scale and scope to something that could otherwise be misinterpreted. And it's better to insert a swear word than actually raise your voice, I would posit.

    As such, people who swear are giving you not only their demand/request/reasoning but expressing how important it is to them too. That's honesty, alright.

    1. Re:Swearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Something is stupid.
      Something is FUCKING stupid.

      By using the same word, you are just doing the equivalent of shouting.
      Not sure whether 'stupid' is a constructive word either,
      You could say:

      Something is badly thought through
      Something is predicated on a bad assumption
      Something lacks maturity and insight.

      Just by dragging out your 'shocking' emotion swiss army word on every occasion you have lost something.

    2. Re:Swearing by ledow · · Score: 1

      1) It's not every occasion, that's exactly the point. You bring it out to distinguish it from every other occasion.
      2) You're EXACTLY the kind of person I'm talking about.

      P.S. Stupid is an extremely constructive word - by making you go "Oh, woah, okay, obviously I did something stupid, I won't do that again" rather than "Oh, this is working out well and I have only a minor tweak to make!"

      And sometimes things are not bad assumptions, thought through or lacking maturity - they are people who know better just being stupid. They think it through, choose the stupid option for their own advancement, knowing full well what they should do instead. It's "rare" in comparison to a genuine mistake, but it happens. And that's when you bring out the expletives.

    3. Re:Swearing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the people who bother me the most are the people who swear like sailors...... without swearing......

      The ones that use a bunch of made up or phonetically similar words in place of swearing but still throw out their luppy expletives left and right. Tho on a side note dealing with those people is at times hilarious and it's hard not to laugh at them when they tell you to squarely go fudge yourself.

      Tho I will agree that I find the people who absolutely refuse to swear to be concerning. Everything in moderation and all.

    4. Re:Swearing by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      People who don't swear scare the fucking life out of me.

      I don't, except in circumstances where I'm deliberately trying to shock, or at least surprise. It's not a matter of "repression", it's that profanity is not part of my vocabulary. You assume that people who don't swear are "repressing" or "censoring" themselves, but that assumption presumes that they actually do swear in their internal dialogue, but then don't say it out loud. But I don't use profanity in my internal dialogue, either, though I suppose I have some stand-in words (dang, etc.) which fill more or less the same purpose.

      To put it another way, a good friend of mine like to say "If you don't scream FUCK when you hit your thumb with a hammer, your head will explode." My response is "When I hit my thumb with a hammer, I'm in way too much pain to go to the effort of remembering to scream FUCK." He's assuming that the curse word will be naturally present and that if you don't scream it it's because you're holding it back. For me, the curse word just isn't there, so what happens when I hit my thumb is a wordless howl of pain. No repression involved, and my head remains intact.

      In addition, I think profanity is generally counterproductive. Rather than saying that something is "fucking stupid", why not spend two more seconds thinking, and articulate why it's stupid, or what about it is stupid? Your phrase accomplishes exactly nothing other than to make people understand that you're angry. It conveys no other information and does nothing to rectify the stupidity. Also, it's pretty common that when people bother to think about what exactly it is that's making them mad, they discover that, in fact, it's not stupid and that they just hadn't thought the whole situation through.

      Finally, I find that the fact that I hardly ever use profanity makes it a really powerful tool on the rare occasions I do choose to use it. Those who use it constantly have basically nowhere to go when the situation deserves a really strong statement.

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    5. Re:Swearing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I never swear. I'm not sure why, but I've never felt the need to swear. I'll admit to swearing once - to shock a close friend of mine. I said "the C word" out of nowhere to go for maximum effect. Probably shouldn't have done it while he was driving, we almost went off the road. As far as the honesty scale goes, I'm honest to a fault. I have a lot of trouble lying. It stresses me out considerably and the truth will often burst out of my mouth before I can stop it.

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    6. Re:Swearing by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      It's good to hear of someone else that doesn't swear. I don't either. My wife, on the other hand, grew up around hockey players. Apparently, they say things that would make sailors blush. She has no qualms about letting the curse words fly. I don't mind her cursing and she doesn't mind my lack of it.

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    7. Re:Swearing by ledow · · Score: 1

      Experiments prove that swearing when in pain reduces the pain.

      Google Stephen Fry and Brian Blessed video for a pop-science demonstration of such.

      And in such instances, "fake" swear words do not have the same effect, even if you know what they stand for...

    8. Re:Swearing by swillden · · Score: 1

      Experiments prove that swearing when in pain reduces the pain.

      Google Stephen Fry and Brian Blessed video for a pop-science demonstration of such.

      And in such instances, "fake" swear words do not have the same effect, even if you know what they stand for...

      So... swear words are magic? I don't buy it. They may have an effect in people who normally think and use them, but that certainly can't be true for those who don't.

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    9. Re:Swearing by ledow · · Score: 1

      The brain's interpretation of swear-words is different precisely because of the way they are used and the emotive response to them.

      There's a reason that extreme instances of Tourette's are traditionally characterised by *inappropriate* words. The Tourette's sufferer (not all of the, or even most of them) acquires the verbal ticks because swearwords are handled and received differently (providing the upbringing is normal, and they understand the language - they don't magically know the German swearwords, etc.).

      Swearwords, PRECISELY BECAUSE people categorise themselves into "those who use them" and "those who don't" are different, in the same way that positive and negative word-use are different. You either spend your life not using them, or you realise they have special characteristics that make them inappropriate with bosses, children, etc. Bang. Instant language neon lights.

      You swear to express, and illicit, emotive responses outside of the norm.

    10. Re:Swearing by swillden · · Score: 1

      Well, next time I'm in pain I'll try to remember to swear. I'm rather skeptical that it will work, though. If I'm in a lot of pain I'll probably have a hard time remembering the words.

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  49. Different kinds of deception by Shane_Optima · · Score: 1
    The problem is deception and honesty are a lot more complicated thing than we make it out to be. The most nuance you typically see is a distinction between white lies and stereotypically 'bad' self-serving lies, but the rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than that.

    In trump's case he regularly says the opposite of what he says the week month years before, so he's not honest by any measure.

    Trump certainly isn't a particularly honest person overall, but this is a really, REALLY bad example. The biggest under-acknowledged source of untruth in the world is self-deception. Most people are constantly engaged in a convoluted enterprise of unconscious and semi-conscious basis. I've even met at two people I've been close to who have (over the course of one of those intimate, highly philosophical talks that goes 'till 3am) admitted they do it consciously, and were surprised when I admitted that not only could I not consciously choose what I believed, but I couldn't fathom how anyone possibly could.

    The list of reasons for self-deception is a long one and a large portion of them actually have to do with manipulating other people (lies being much easier to tell and maintain when you begin by lying to yourself). Lying for narrative building, for consistency is something that has strong benefits both psychologically and socially. Most people want to feel consistent and *look* consistent, instead of admitting or even understanding the extent to which humanity relies on ephemeral gut feelings.

    The ease with which Trump contradicts himself often appears to be a form of honesty, albeit one that seems largely rooted in incompetence or sloth. We can see many of his brazenly cynical, manipulative lies because they're not sensibly covered up by the normal concealing lies, but we can also see the entirely natural and honest process by which the human mind believes different things from one day to the next. Most people try to suppress this tendency. Even disregarding the social consequences, most people would find it psychologically uncomfortable to be so free-wheeling.

    Most people like the idea of (and the social image of) believing in something, and this artificial self-imposed consistency leads to deception. But as Trump illustrates, there are plenty of other kinds of deception in which our species is hopelessly mired.

  50. So those lacking diplomacy also like to swear? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No shit Sherlock. People tell white lies so as not to hurt others. People who don't care about the feelings of others tend to not worry about offending with offensive language.

  51. Fucking 'a! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's more likely that when you're seriously honest (not necessarily right), you will get more emotional, and therefore you will be more honest,since you're not acting with forethought, which lying really benefits from.

    But if you have tourettes, you will do it without intent, or with a toxic personality disorder you will swear as a mechanism to escalate the situation to a place where your victim is uncomfortable, whereas you are comfortable and in control.

    But for most people, they will not be thinking as clearly when swearing and will be either more honest and less liable to listen.

    It's not that people who tend to swear a lot are more honest, it's when proper swearing, people are less dishonest.

  52. lying by DrYak · · Score: 2

    I can't use profanity because my Facebook Friends are actual friends, acquaintances, family and stuff.

    actual friends, family and stuff are also the people of whom you might not want to hurt feelings and opt to not outright tell everything which goes through your head
    ("you're ugly as shit", "you clothes/car/whatever is crap", "your idea is stupid and you should be burned in public in the town square for that", etc.)
    but where you would restrain yourself
    ("you've got personality", "well, it's original and has got some charm", "it's a surprising idea").

    So again they are the people to which you would "lie" (in a fashion. You're not actively trying to outright deceive them, just not transmitting 100% of the information) which is what this study tries to point out.

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  53. Actually yes. by DrYak · · Score: 2

    Joke aside, that's actually has been Linus' own explanation :
    he needs to be frank to people.

     

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    1. Re:Actually yes. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Linux actually censors his profanity, e.g. by writing "sh!t". It's the abuse that gets through unrestrained.

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  54. dictionary homework: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Profanity, Obscenity, and Vulgarity - all considered unacceptable in polite socety.....
    But what are the differences?
    Anyone who edits should know the differences....

  55. Re:Shooting off your cocksucker again troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a checkbox in your program so it will automatically block all of your posts?

    It might be worth using then...

  56. Cheers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a professional trainer. I swear probably a hundred times a day in class and yesterday made spent time on pornhub in class to show network statistics and show articles related to building content delivery networks to aliviate bandwidth consumption on internet backbone links.

    These students are with me for the 15th class and they keep coming

  57. Goes nicely with the following story by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

    The following story is about how increasing activity in the amygdala makes mice violent. Well, the amygdala is also the part of the brain that is responsible for outbursts of profanity. Perhaps the amygdala is honest to a fault? It will cuss you out, and then it will cut you.

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  58. Now this is honesty by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do we really need any more of these fuched up stupid harseshit "studies" that proves nothing but the goddarned licebrained "researchers" should be charged for all the time people will need to clear their minds of those mindless methodologies and baseless conclusions they grabbed from the backend of a skunk in piles of elephant shit?

  59. 100% correct. Religious leaders are biggest liars by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    100% correct. After all, religious leaders are the biggest liars and they strive not to use profanity. Goddammit.

    How could anyone lie to masses of people constantly like they do?
    We need to help them out. It is out duty as fellow humans.

  60. Dolts, lookin at the trees again. by zJe · · Score: 1

    Excessive profanity, always talking about themselves (I and me) are also hallmarks of aggressive speakers. Aggressive speakers are seen as knowing what they are talking about, especially when the topic is subjective or the audience is mostly ignorant of the topic.

  61. Re:other applicable links to profanity - sendmail by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

    Any configuration file that you have to compile is just inviting profane commentary....

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  62. Everything I say is a lie by ThatNakedGuy · · Score: 1

    Everything I say is a lie.

  63. FUCK YOU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this may be not right

  64. Meh by Sulik · · Score: 1

    Fucking idiots.

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  65. The Unpardonable Sin, The Greatest Blasphemy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Denying the Holy Spirit either in your thoughts or in saying. That will never be forgiven, in some countries punishable by death.

  66. Who knew? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really /.? No one said it yet? What has this place come down to.

    OK fine, I'll do it: If this is true, Linus Torvalds is the most honest person on the planet.

  67. Anecdotes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've usually found that people who curse like sailors will tell the truth about small stuff (i.e. didn't take out the trash, I don't floss, I cheated on an exam in high school), but lie profusely about the big stuff (i.e. cheating on a spouse, embezzling, STDs). The reverse is also true; the people who have the moral scruples to not offend someone will tell white lies, but tell the truth about important things.

  68. Shooting off your cocksucker again troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I don't shoot my mouth off without knowing what I'm talking about" - by raymorris (2726007) on Thursday December 31, 2015 @09:29AM (#51215379)

    Raymorris you shoot your mouth off f'ing up in 2 security fuckups https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47379233/ & https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47374033/ + raymorris = scriptkiddie https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8895203&cid=51726265/

    &

    Tell us how ONLY 'newer script kiddie tools' have stringlength built in (when PASCAL had it for ages - my fav tool) https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8472509&cid=51114383/ YOU BLUNDERING WANNABE!

    APK

    P.S.=> You like to talk behind others' backs like the gossiping bitch TROLL you are raymorris https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9880997&cid=53312265/ well, here I am letting YOU TALK in those links, showing your FAILS wannabe ... apk

  69. Oscar the Grouch! by Mad-Bassist · · Score: 1

    I read years ago that children were asked which character on Sesame Street was the most honest. Yep, it was Oscar the Grouch. He had no filter and while he was irritable, kids sensed no BS coming from him. It's like a couple friends I have: rude sometimes, but they occasionally said things that needed to be heard, even though I didn't like hearing it at the time.

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  70. Pushing one's reality onto others. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Discalimer: this is a complete and utter non-scientific study!

    Perhaps, being constantly truthful, can be very stressful. To oneself & others. So therefore cause people to boil over & cuss.
    Now I'm not recommending living a sinister lifestyle & lying through one's teeth, merely accepting that life's "little white lies" help lubricate our interactions with other people. You know you can't walk up to people & call them fat or ugly, then claim that's 'just being honest'. Here's a fine comparison:

    TOTAL HONESTY WITH EVENTUAL TRAINWRECK
    - Hi how are you?
    - Well my hemoroids are acting up again, and am thinking about upcoming tax season. How are you?
    - Well I was going to ask you about that project but since you're so depressed I'm going to walk away, lest you darken my day.
    - Yeah? Well thanks for nuth'n a$$hole, interrupting me when I'm doing my $h1t !!
    - Oh really? You're just goofing around doing jack $h1t- waiting to unload on some innocent passer-by to make you feel better you lonely bum, you're a d@mn jerk!

    THE BEAUTIFUL WHITE LIE THAT KEEPS THING MOVING
    - Hi how are you?
    - I'm OK, it's a Monday. Haahaa.
    - Yeah I hear ya. So about that project...

    The last version = TOTAL SUCCESS!

    Someone has to absorb or otherwise negate the 'real' person and their 'honesty' because sometimes life get too real and really, really, affects others unnecessarily. Matter of fact, to affect them with one's constant honesty is not 'being real' or 'telling it like it is' but is in fact very selfish. Drawing everyone else into your world, making them see what you see, so you can be validated.

    In summary, have a nice day!

  71. Not everything was consensual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    BS. There were multiple allegations of non-consesual sex acts against Bill Clinton, even before we get into him visiting Epstein's infamous island without his Secret Service detail.

  72. Manners maketh man by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So what? someone with good manners is not honest?

  73. Emperor's New Clothes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this is the Emperors New Clothes situation in real life - trying to make us believe that some expletive spewing president is more honest because he spews expletives. I belive actions still speak louder than words.

  74. Shooting off your cocksucker again troll? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I don't shoot my mouth off without knowing what I'm talking about" - by raymorris (2726007) on Thursday December 31, 2015 @09:29AM (#51215379)

    Raymorris you shoot your mouth off f'ing up in 2 security fuckups https://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47379233/ & https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5351503&cid=47374033/ + raymorris = scriptkiddie https://politics.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8895203&cid=51726265/

    &

    Tell us how ONLY 'newer script kiddie tools' have stringlength built in (when PASCAL had it for ages - my fav tool) https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=8472509&cid=51114383/ YOU BLUNDERING WANNABE!

    APK

    P.S.=> You like to talk behind others' backs like the gossiping bitch TROLL you are raymorris https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9880997&cid=53312265/ well, here I am letting YOU TALK in those links, showing your FAILS wannabe ... apk

  75. /.-ers disagree raymorris #1/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    his hosts program is actually pretty good by xenotransplant

    his hosts tool is actually useful for those cases in which one does indeed want to locally block stuff outright while consuming minimum system resources by alexgieg

    I've never tried to belittle (APK's) work, I've flat out said it's good by BronsCon

    take a look at the APK hosts file engine by SuperKendall

    APK is kinda right. I've tried his hosts file generating software. It works by bmo

    APK is totally right on this count. Adblock Plus on Firefox mobile is a dog on older, or lower end, phones. A hostfile based adblocker makes for a much better experience by chihowa

    I like your host file system by Karmashock

    I find your hosts file admirable by vel-ex-tech

    My code's liked & used + recommended & hosted by Malwarebytes' hpHosts!

    * Do any /.-ers say same of YOUR non-existent work raymorris? How about the likes of malwarebytes too?? No. Your "vapourware's" like that, lol!

    APK

    P.S.=> More coming... apk

  76. Etymology for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you recall that Profanity in effect is the same as vulgarity. However, so many of us have forgotten the Latin roots of some of our words. Vulgar latin was in fact the language of the common people. So, if the same were true today, it makes sense that people might believe you more when you use vulgarity/profanity because if you are not an elite, but a commoner, you likely speak the same language, right?

    Note the Latin version of the Bible translated/assembled by Jerome was called the 'Vulgate'. Because it was written in that same common tongue. I think maybe, the issue is as someone suggested above, people that use profanity appear to be less filtered, and because of that you hear more about what they really think... (Nevermind that they may be conflicted on any given issue, but still upset enough to use profanity)

  77. /.-ers disagree raymorris #2/2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I support APK's stand on the hosts file by Trax3001BBS

    Your premise that hostfiles are a good way to deal with advertising and malvertising is quite valid by JazzLad

    No complaints from me, I like APK... Reminds me to use a host file. Also, his stuff is free by aaaaaaargh!

    APK's monolithic hosts file is looking pretty good by Culture20

    APK... Awesome to see he's still spreading the good word by Molochi

    ABP is insufficient as a solid hosts file does everything that APK reminds us about by fast turtle

    APK isn't wrong by cfalcon

    APK, I know people give you a lot of shit regarding hosts, but please don't ever stop by nasredin

    You need APK's hosts file by Teun

    APK solution STILL relevant by Thud457

    you're right about hosts files by drinkypoo

    APK

    P.S.=> They're in addition to https://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=10126563&cid=53690211/ even more earlier + 1,000's worldwide - there's no arguing w/ success (that YOU don't have, raymorris)... apk

  78. Generally speaking ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... generalizations are bad, umkay?

    Seriously, though, just because on average people who are prone to swearing are more trustworthy, that is not always the case.

    This is a trap I see more and more people falling into -- the belief that generalization can and should be applied to specific cases, individuals, events, etc.

    You know the HR dipshits are going to pick this up and start using it as a basis for screening applicants. Soon, only people suffering from Turret's syndrome will be able to get a job. Mother-fucking cock-suckers.