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32% of All US Adults Watch Pirated Content (torrentfreak.com)

Nearly a third of all US adults admit to having downloaded or streamed pirated movies or TV-shows, a new survey has found. Even though many are aware that watching pirated content is not permitted, a large number of pirates are particularly hard to deter. According to a report from TorrentFreak: This is one of the main conclusions of research conducted by anti-piracy firm Irdeto, which works with prominent clients including Twentieth Century Fox and Starz. Through YouGov, the company conducted a representative survey of over 1,000 respondents which found that 32 percent of all US adults admit to streaming or downloading pirated video content. These self-confessed pirates are interested in a wide variety of video content. TV-shows and movies that still play in theaters are on the top of the list for many, with 24 percent each, but older movies, live sports and Netflix originals are mentioned as well. The data further show that the majority of US adults (69%) know that piracy is illegal. Interestingly, this also means that a large chunk of the population believes that they're doing nothing wrong.

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  1. most of those reasons have in common by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Most of those reasons for pirating are because they can't get the content very easily in a legal way. I guess most people are willing to pay, as long as it doesn't get too complicated.

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    1. Re:most of those reasons have in common by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Most of those reasons for pirating are because they can't get the content very easily in a legal way. I guess most people are willing to pay, as long as it doesn't get too complicated.

      I would rather pay in money than in time and frustration. I WILL NOT pay in both money and time/frustration.

    2. Re:most of those reasons have in common by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not so black and white. I'm an unabashed pirate, and cost is only one factor. When I was young, "free" was the main reason and I would jump through hoops if necessary. The primary reason for my piracy now is DRM and the lack of a centralized repository. Sorry, I'm not going to browse iTunes, Amazon, my cable box, Roku, Hulu, etc until I find the movie or TV show that I'm looking for when 99% of the time it is on usenet, ready to stream to any device that I own. If you want me as a customer, you need to be - at the minimum - as convenient as the free option. Easy search and no DRM are my prerequisites. Music is better - most of the big guys have abandoned DRM, and services like Spotify have made free and legit even more convenient than pirated.

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    3. Re:most of those reasons have in common by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Most of those reasons for pirating are because they can't get the content very easily in a legal way. I guess most people are willing to pay, as long as it doesn't get too complicated.

      I would rather pay in money than in time and frustration. I WILL NOT pay in both money and time/frustration.

      This is the perfect summary.
      I *pay* for Netflix && Amazon Prime. I don't expect to see something in my streams when it's new to the theaters, or even when it first hits shelves on disk (though it'd be nice), but when I can't stream a 5yo movie/TV series then fuck it, off to usenet to pull down a copy.

      It really is that simple. I used to pirate piles of shit when I was younger, now it's not worth the hassle unless I really want to see it and my paid services don't make it available.

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  2. Old movies by psergiu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you download & watch an old and obscure movie - which is not available anywhere for sale or rental - is it still pirating when there's no possible loss to anyone ?

    Same question for old music, books, software ...

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    1. Re:Old movies by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Informative

      is it still pirating when there's no possible loss to anyone ? Same question for old music, books, software ...

      The answer is yes, although only the rights-holder is able to sue you, and if they aren't around, then you can get away with it.

      Under copyright law (this is the way the law is written), not only do you have to pay for actual damages, you also have to pay for theoretical damages. So the copyright holder can say, "We weren't releasing it to increase demand at a later date, when we theoretically would release it. Your piracy robbed us of those theoretical potential profits."

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    2. Re:Old movies by fedos · · Score: 3, Funny
    3. Re:Old movies by GrumpySteen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Okay. Here's a copy for sale on Amazon. Took about five seconds to find.

      You seem to have forgotten that the internet also doubles as the world's largest junk shop.

    4. Re:Old movies by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Couldn't you blink alternate eyes, always keeping at least one open?

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    5. Re:Old movies by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In the pre-YouTube days, Red vs. Blue was available for free, but the only official point of distribution was the website for the guys that made it, and they limited which episodes were available at any given time so as to prevent people from killing their bandwidth by binge watching. Quite a few people thought they'd do the guys a favor and re-host the videos on their own sites or via P2P networks. After all, the guys were clearly having trouble bearing the cost of hosting videos that they were letting people watch for free, so taking some of the load off of them would be doing them a favor, right?

      The guys made it clear that they didn't want that done.

      Fast forward a few years, and those guys have built a media empire around the success of that and their subsequent video series. Their piddly operation has exploded to include dozens (hundreds?) of employees across the nation. They sell those episodes on DVD and Blu-ray, stream the episodes on YouTube and Netflix, sell shirts and other merchandise for them, and on and on. While it wouldn't have looked much like piracy to distribute those videos in the early days, given that they were already available for free and there were no obvious plans to monetize the videos, they understood that controlling distribution then would give them opportunities for monetizing the videos later, so even though they didn't have anything at the time, they still insisted on controlling distribution.

      Likewise, old videos that may seem abandoned may actually be about to get a remastered re-release or whatnot that the pirated copy would undercut. And old video games? I can't count the number of times that older games have gotten the "remastered in HD" treatment or have been repackaged for modern platforms when a new entry in the series comes out. As such, how are we to say when "there's no possible loss to anyone"?

  3. Absolutely. I never give it a second thought by JudgeFurious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I pay for a lot of content through Dish, Netflix, iTunes, etc but if there's something I can't find there (and it happens more than I would have thought possible) then I don't even hesitate. It's 2017 and I want everything ever made and I want it at the click of a mouse or press of a button on my remote. I understand that it isn't something I'm in any way entitled to but that's how the world works a lot of the time now. Sorry.

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  4. Twist by Punko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interestingly, this also means that a large chunk of the population believes that they're doing nothing wrong.

    No, I'd say this means that a large chunk of the population believe that the value of the product (content) offered plus the probable cost to acquire the content is less than the sale price. People who watch pirated content are aware that what they are doing is not 100% clean. Most will shrug when asked if what they are doing is legal.

    Unless the sale price drops or the probable cost to acquire the content rises, the value of the product (content) must increase to decrease pirating.

    So, if you don't want to decrease the price point, and you can't think of an economical way to increase the probable cost to acquire the content, then you have to increase the value of the product. How can you increase its value? Well, for one, make it as easy as possible to get a copy of the content legally, and make that product as easy to use (for all values of use) as the pirated version.

    However, content owners will simply view the equation as a need to come up with a cheap way to make the probable cost of acquiring the content alternately more expensive. Through higher rates of fining, or higher fines, or making piracy more difficult to achieve.
    Changing the usability of the content or decreasing the price point are things the studios simply won't consider.

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  5. hmm by fishscene · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When a third of your population admit to doing something illegal, maybe it's time to revisit the laws surrounding the legality of it - especially if it isn't a safety issue.

  6. Sampling Bias by medv4380 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sorry but the survey only lists that it was an online survey. How was this sample selected, and where if the response rate? Since I see no delineation between Sample Size and Completes I assume this was just a meaningless web survey that wasted their time weighting data that has no meaning because it's missing critical data points. This is how the media got deluded into believing Hillary was destined to win VS Trump. Honestly, if you're going to include a methods section then give me a bit more meat.

  7. Movie studies don't look at it that way. by fedos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They believe that by pirating an old movie that they refuse to make available on DVD or streaming, you're not paying to watch the latest Transformers flick.

  8. Forgot the second part of the study by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

    68% of US adults lie about watching pirated content.

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  9. Content manipulation is an issue by Tyr07 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not like all shows are available at a price and you just refused to pay it.

    Content is often...
    Old so not available
    Not available in /your country/
    Not available when you want to watch it
    Has commercials
    Better quality elsewhere, ability to pause play rewinid at your leisure.

    Basically as usual, pirated content has the better product, even if you had to "pay" for it.

    Stop restricting content by country
    Stop restricting content to try and force people to accept certain content.

    Oh yeah, they do it, fyi, deliberately pull other popular content from access just to get people watching their "new" show. It's like products, installing updates or things that cause it to run worse but it's a "security update" until they tell you to buy a newer, faster shinier product.

    They keep trying to section off markets to milk the most of it etc. If instead, part of harmonization the entire world, allowed content to be accessible on a global level with specific standards for quality control, performance and user interfaces (As every company wants a piece of the pie) you would have a lot less people pirating.

    I don't even watch netflix anymore because I've already seen anything good and their library is started to suck ass. I only keep it since a family member watches it still.

    Pirates have global access to high quality on demand content of their choosing, free for the most part no less.
    Your expensive services are terrible and don't even come close.

    There's a lot of content I'd like to watch and would pay for access to watch it, but I can't, then you whine and complain because I'm not buying the products you want me to.

  10. Re:Admission by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The statistic is almost meaningless.

    How many adults have ever shoplifted something? Once is the same as a repeat offender on such a question, while in reality they aren't nearly the same. I mean, I stole a candy bar from a store when I was like 7 years old, and I would raise my hand. Far too many stories have meaningless statistics involved.

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  11. That's not what that word means by drew_kime · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The data further show that the majority of US adults (69%) know that piracy is illegal. Interestingly, this also means that a large chunk of the population believes that they're doing nothing wrong.

    No. That means 31% of the population doesn't know the law, which is a little hard to believe.

    Knowing that it's illegal and believing that you're doing something wrong are completely different issues.

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  12. One "Pirate's" Take On It by dave562 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have a full cable package from Frontier. We get most of the premium channels including HBO, Showtime and Starz. My wife purchases way more DVDs and Blu-ray discs than I want her to. We also go to the theater from time to time to watch movies.

    I am not willing to pay for the same content over, and over and over again. I am especially unwilling to continue to pay for content due to wear and tear. For example, my wife has watched Friends and Sex in the City so many times that some of the discs skip or are even completely unwatchable. I have zero qualms with pulling down a torrent of those shows and storing them on the NAS so that she can watch them.

    Another example is with HBO content. I am on the west coast. I watched Game of Thrones and Westworld on east coast time plus about 30 minutes. It was more convenient for me torrent a 1080p rip, than to wait until HBO decided it was time for my part of the country to be "allowed" to watch it.

    Am I 'stealing' from HBO? Am I 'stealing' from the DVD / blu-ray producer?

    I worked in Hollywood for a while. I understand that all of the below the line people have to eat and deserve to make a living wage. I do not endorse out and out, wholesale piracy. Just because "the studios" are turning a profit does not mean that everyone involved in getting content onto the screen is rolling in dough. Most of them are just regular Joe and Jane Doe's, putting in their hours and trying to put food on the table.

    On the other hand, I am okay with preserving content that I paid for. Just because I have the technical capability of doing so should not make it wrong. In my eyes, it is no more wrong than a mechanic fixing their own vehicle. Are they 'stealing' from the dealership service departments? They have to buy their tools and parts. I have to buy my computers and storage medium.

  13. Crocodile tears. by WolfgangVL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Weekly stories of woh coming from the big studios, as they annually report profits in the BILLIONS. Then they expect Joe-citizen to pony up and hour or more worth income every time they decide to watch their legally licensed content on a different device? Cry me a river.

    Its funny, when you make laws that are so slanted, so in favor of the few, and so at the expense of the many, people just decide not to respect those laws. Then when you try to enforce these laws, people don't respect the enforcer. When you finally find a way to enforce these laws, people lose even more respect for the law, the enforcer, the body that stands to profit from the laws, the government that allowed it in the first place, and worst of all, people lose respect for the rule of law all together.

    We all choose to play by this rule-set (copyright). If the game is rigged (DRM, region locking, no content shifting), we stop playing (piracy) and lose respect for the rules that we stopped playing by (copyright law) and the other players (rights-holders) and the stupid rules that we decided not to play with in first place. (copyright in general)

    When first implemented, it was a good system... it fostered creation, paid out to the creators and generally was a pretty excepted way of doing things.
    Over the years however, its been perverted to serve the opposite of what it was made to do, Copyright stifles creativity with the constant bogus takedown letters and violation notices, costs creators money defending original ideas, and allows studios to retain ownership of whole swaths of culture that should rightfully have fallen into public hands LONG AGO. Copyright is broken as it is now, and needs to be dialed back to reality. Once the laws are once again SANE, huge portions of the population will begin to respect it once again.

    Don't even get me started on the double-dipping force feeding of commercials to consumers who've already paid (to much) for the programming on whatever format they are getting it on.....

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