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Chan Zuckerberg Initiative Acquires and Will Free Up Science Search Engine Meta (techcrunch.com)

tomhath quotes a report from TechCrunch: Mark Zuckerberg and Priscilla Chan's $45 billion philanthropy organization is making its first acquisition in order to make it easier for scientists to search, read and tie together more than 26 million science research papers. The Chan Zuckerberg Initiative is acquiring Meta, an AI-powered research search engine startup, and will make its tool free to all in a few months after enhancing the product. Meta's AI recognizes authors and citations between papers so it can surface the most important research instead of just what has the best SEO. It also provides free full-text access to 18,000 journals and literature sources. Meta co-founder and CEO Sam Molyneux writes that "Going forward, our intent is not to profit from Meta's data and capabilities; instead we aim to ensure they get to those who need them most, across sectors and as quickly as possible, for the benefit of the world."

68 comments

  1. Say Goodnight Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zuck bought a search engine. Google is as good as dead.

    1. Re:Say Goodnight Google by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 1

      The best scientific research, as judged by a robot.

      This'll be good...

      Knowing how prickly so many in the scientific research community get about their work, I reckon that the exploding head quotient will be quite high...

    2. Re:Say Goodnight Google by Visarga · · Score: 1

      The Google Page Rank algorithm itself originated as a reputation system based on links between scientific papers. Then they applied it to web pages.

  2. fb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can I access it using without signing up for fb account ?

    1. Re:fb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It analyzes your search history and makes a Facebook profile for you automatically.

    2. Re: fb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      D'oh - this is a great question.

      Here I was hoping Facebook might be doing something completely for the sake of humanity.

      Hopefully this is well intentioned, and not a way to advertise pharma to medical researchers. "We've noticed you have been researching sleeping problems papers... You should prescribe your patients BigBrand viagra, for improved bedroom life"

    3. Re: fb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      facebook is stupid shit full of retarded ads. People should stop using and leave it to stupid indo-chimps.

    4. Re: fb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time Zuck will mary an indo-chimp. A jew + indo-chimp = sand jewgger.

  3. Why don't they create textbooks by backslashdot · · Score: 2

    College students are always complaining about the price of textbooks. Why can't Chan Zuckerberg pay some of the best textbook authors to publish their textbooks for free? They should pay authors based on distribution and some other metrics such that the incentive and competition to create really great textbooks remains.

    They've got $45 billion. If they were willing to spend $100 million they could easily offer online textbooks for the top 50 college courses for free (and book versions for the printing cost). I don't think any of the top 50 textbooks were produced over $2 million each.

    1. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by RobinH · · Score: 2, Informative

      The printing cost isn't what makes textbooks expensive - they're expensive because the person who writes them is typically the one teaching the course, and he can *make* his students purchase them. There are always cheaper textbooks available that they could choose. When you price a book at $9, almost all of that goes to the publisher, but if you price it at $90, more than half goes to the author (source: I looked into publishing a book on a technical topic). Textbooks are an income generator for professors.

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    2. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Remember, Da Zuck's "Charitable Foundation" isn't a charitable foundation. The first reports about it, were, quite poignantly, fake news. What he has created, is in fact an financial investment entity that allows him to play around with his fortune, while avoiding taxes.

      So there is really no incentive to just give money away. He's letting researchers use the technology to drive its development. In a few years Da Zuck hopes to be charging for this service, and make money off this investment.

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    3. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just support Wikibooks.

      But that seems to be the tactic used by knowledge hoarders. Never talk about an existing, credible approach out there (with all the shortcomings they have!).

    4. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Gussington · · Score: 2

      The whole text book thing seems really archaic these days. Text books should just be wiki-fied, with version control and a print format function. Give editing to only authorised experts, and update annually as required and you're done. Cost would be trivial since content would be donated just like Wikipedia is now. How is this still an issue.

    5. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by geekmux · · Score: 1

      The printing cost isn't what makes textbooks expensive - they're expensive because the person who writes them is typically the one teaching the course, and he can *make* his students purchase them. There are always cheaper textbooks available that they could choose. When you price a book at $9, almost all of that goes to the publisher, but if you price it at $90, more than half goes to the author (source: I looked into publishing a book on a technical topic). Textbooks are an income generator for professors.

      I've taken courses where a professors mandated materials consist of a $15 photocopied wirebound book, and I fully appreciate and respect it when they do that. When I see a professors name on the cover of mandated materials priced at $90, it tends to make me wonder about their ethics, knowing full well a valid struggle related to college costs is paying greedy authors for one-time-use books.

      Yes authors, I get your time is worth something towards the effort of creating the material. In the recurring revenue model of college that cycles new customers through every 3 months, I believe you are rewarded enough with volume sales to not feel a need to financially ass-rape students.

    6. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by h33t+l4x0r · · Score: 4, Interesting

      After the recent story about Zuck suing Hawaiians to force them to give up their ancestral land, it's really hard for me to see him as anything other than a complete dickhead.

    7. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've met a few people who've written textbooks, and even had a class where the professor had written his own. One of the best textbooks I own, and well worth the money, although I'm sure the author saw very little of it. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2012/08/28/how-your-textbook-dollars-are-divvied-up puts it at 12 cents on the dollar to the authors. Considering the popularity of the average textbook I doubt most authors even recoup the time spent on it.

      The cheaper books out there are just that: cheap. Low quality materials, poor explanations, etc. There are a few exceptions, most notable being that springer makes most of their e-books 'freely' available at some universities. Really quite a good move on their part, and I've had a few classes that took advantage of that for the class textbook.

    8. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Jon+Peterson · · Score: 1

      Give editing to only authorised experts

      Some technical information is moving that way, but there's still quality that people need to pay for - copy editing, stats checking, pictures and illustrations etc.

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    9. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What you mean this didn't convince you earlier?

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/14/facebook_trust_dumb/

    10. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by RobinH · · Score: 1

      The $0.12 on the dollar may have been the case back when you still had to find a major publisher and do a full first run, but now that we have "print on demand" publishers, you can get a nice big thick book published, they'll sell it directly to the public through online bookstores, or you can order a bulk printing, and the higher you price your book, the more of the percentage you get to keep for yourself.

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    11. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've taken courses where a professors mandated materials consist of a $15 photocopied wirebound book, and I fully appreciate and respect it when they do that. When I see a professors name on the cover of mandated materials priced at $90, it tends to make me wonder about their ethics, knowing full well a valid struggle related to college costs is paying greedy authors for one-time-use books.

      While I have seen the former I have never seen the later. The closest I've seen was a textbook where the professor was proud of being cited in some obscure place in it but he wasn't the author.

      Is this something that happens more often in private or ivy league schools?

    12. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not up to you or the government to say how much is enough. Clearly the students are willing to pay or the practice would die out.
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    13. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 1

      The printing cost isn't what makes textbooks expensive - they're expensive because the person who writes them is typically the one teaching the course, and he can *make* his students purchase them.

      That's actually fairly rare, despite how many times you hear that old saw bandied about.

      Textbooks are an income generator for professors.

      I actually know ( and tutor the class it is used in ) a professor that co-authored a book. It hasn't changed in 9+ years, and he gets almost nothing from royalties. This is also a book used nationwide for intro level classes for a very large number of students.

      The real reason textbooks are so expensive, beside the fact that they are an absolute requirement for courses? Because especially once you get to upper level / graduate level classes you have an extremely limited audience to sell to. Look at the sciences - graduate level science books in a specific field can only be sold to the very few graduate students that will be using them... fractions of a percent of even the limited number of undergrads that other books are being sold to.

      A very limited pool of authors that can write the books, combined with a very limited number of people that would actually BUY the book drives prices through the roof. It sucks for the people who want to buy the book, but it is still supply and demand.
       

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    14. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      There may be an idea here.
      Of course, you access the books with your Facebook account.
      From there, if you want, you can buy a hardcopy really cheap, you just have to register your credit card with Facebook pay and give out your home address for shipping.

    15. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, students pay for the books because they think the market price is fair. It wouldn't have anything to do with the book being necessary to pass a required class for the degree they've put years of effort in here. Nope, high prices must just be the free market at work.

    16. Re: Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A lot of universities have had their own publishing group for publishing obscure works, sometimes running as a non-profit organization. Nearly all universities have had a printshop for decades that can put together books of varying quality for just the printing and binding cost. Print on demand doesn't really change this much, especially since the hard part of getting other schools to use your book comes down to marketing. Outside of someore obscure courses, which turn to expensive books because they are actually the best written in the last decade or two, you usually have to do something to convince the department to force your book on a course.

      Between the two universities I've attended, and the four more I've worked at since, the high profit, shady book deals all involved department decisions for lower level courses that multiple profs would teach. At the higher level, profs would usually look rather hard for a book that was appropriate, sometimes to the point of photocopying out of print books, otherwise they would just use their own class notes. The couple I know that wrote their own book would just have the university printshop print cheap copies for the class at $10-20 per spiral bound book.

    17. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Is+Don+the+new+Ron · · Score: 1

      He doesn't need to charge. He's simply getting the researchers to train his machine learning program the way other soft AI are improved, through constant human use (ex. Google Search and Translate, Amazon's recommendation system).

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    18. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Utter rubbish, to get 'rich' as an author you have to sell 100,000 copies plus. The royalties from publishers is tiny. It's the publishers who make the money.

    19. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That isn't far from how high level math and physics classes are taught. Professors write up class notes that are freely available online (as pdfs, not wikis, but you can get the latex by just asking). I've seen frequent sharing of material between professors, so sections are updated or pulled in from other class notes.

      For many subjects, well written notes have been online for more than a decade, especially graduate topics. Into level courses have had some open books written since then too. They are all great resources for a person wanting to learn things on their own. Unfortunately, I'm finding too many people use the excuse that nothing is out there to cover up some other actual reason for not using the material, e.g. they are too lazy to actually put effort into the subject and don't want to admit it, or they are pushing some psuedoscience and the idea that mainstream science locks and hides information is important to the shtick. That all is orthogonal to the issue why many courses still use expensive textbooks though.

    20. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Places I've worked at before, you would have to file a conflict of interest with the department and university if you are making money from the book and it isn't from the university's own publisher. That makes it rather difficult to profit by making a students use a book your wrote. So most profs that teach from a book they wrote just use photocopied versions made at the print shop at print cost. A lot of publishing agreements allow the prof to do that, and it is not like they would make that much money from selling 10-20 more copies of the book anyway.

      Into level books are a different deal usually and there are a rather small number of intro textbooks (at least in math and physics) used across the US. You can bump into another prof, ask them what book they use, and I've yet to come across one that gave an answer that I wasn't familiar with. Self publishing would have to get around whatever black magic the publishers use to make it that way, as there are already many, obscure intro level textbooks out there that are virtually unused. The only time I was involved in teaching such courses, the choice of what book to use was handed down.

    21. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My textbook royalties are 25%.

    22. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Give editing to only authorised experts

      Some technical information is moving that way, but there's still quality that people need to pay for - copy editing, stats checking, pictures and illustrations etc.

      Even this could be donated. Many large corps already donate millions in license fees and services to education, donating a few hours each year for these tasks wouldn't be too much of a stretch.

    23. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      After the recent story about Zuck suing Hawaiians to force them to give up their ancestral land

      That story is essentially fake news. The action he has taken doesn't force anyone to sell, it just finds out who they are. And he has already purchased the land in question from the majority owners, but those owners don't have clear title because of the way the land was handed down without documentation, and without any designation of which heirs owned what. The suit is to find all the minority owners so they can be paid and Zuck can get a clear title... or to get the court to rule that any owners who can't be found no longer have an ownership interest.

      It's possible that the current legal action will turn up owners who refuse to sell, and as far as I'm aware if that happens Zuck will have no way to force them. He'll have partial ownership of the properties (the percentage he's already bought from the majority owners), but will not be able to get a clear title. I expect he can throw enough money to convince them, though. What would you say if offered, say, $1M for your 1% interest in a two-acre parcel of land that you didn't even know you had? I doubt he'd have to go anywhere near that high.

    24. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by erapert · · Score: 1

      Stop bringing your facts and rationality into this. You're getting in the way of a good hate-on.

    25. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      25% of what? The profit? The publisher's revenue? It is pretty easy to be told you'll get 25%, but only end up getting a dollar or two out of a book that sells for $100 to the student.

    26. Re:Why don't they create textbooks by HuguesT · · Score: 1

      As an author, I can confirm that the typical royalty is $1 per copy. Try to get rich on that.

  4. feed the starving stick in the mud diaper addicts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1000s dying daily still,, cheaper than trying to figure out how we went so far off course being deceived & lacking conscious conscience..? cease fire stand down.. free the innocent stem cells... give ourselves a break...

  5. i don't know by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    Chan he or not?

    1. Re:i don't know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dickhead

  6. Facebook's latest cat video science! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Zuckerburg brings to science what he's brought to internet discourse, we're doomed.

  7. Prez 2024 by Gussington · · Score: 1

    How does this steer him toward a 2024 Presidential bid?

    1. Re:Prez 2024 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The next presidential election will be in 2046, so the answer is, it doesn't :)

    2. Re:Prez 2024 by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      How does this steer him toward a 2024 Presidential bid?

      It doesn't. He won't be old enough to be President until the 2028 election. You need to be 45 years old to be President of the USA. I personally believe that a lot of folks in their 60's and 70's are still not old enough to be President of the USA . . . not mature enough.

      However, the Meta Science Fiction Search Engine technology together with Russian Hacker technology will be able to swing the election in his favor. Russian leader Poutine will still be in charge of Russia and give his approval, but he will have a different title, because of term limits.

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  8. Wrong target by Doub · · Score: 3, Interesting

    They should buy Elsevier, make it a non-profit, and republish their entire present and future portfolio online with free access for everyone.

    1. Re:Wrong target by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      This seems more like Web of Science. They could probably get that for cheap, the company is getting passed around like a two dollar whore.

      Besides, this is a potential competitor to Google Scholar under the guise of philanthropy.

    2. Re:Wrong target by netjiro · · Score: 3, Informative

      Elsevier (RELX) costs around $30B total, so perhaps not. Better would be to very publicly and repeatedly proclaim that the era of closed scientific publications is over, then over a decade or so push down the value until controlling stake can be had for peanuts (relative). After that they can put it all public unless someone else has taken the step in the mean time.

  9. Great, but I wonder what the catch is? by hughbar · · Score: 4, Informative

    As an old Brit, I admire many of our Victorian philanthropists, some in this list for example: http://londonist.com/2011/10/t... who did a great deal of good.

    However the modern version always seems to have some catch, supporting stock prices or products, acquiring (more) big data etc. I'm waiting for simple altruism to come back into fashion. I'll certainly be dead before that, though. All these folks could go down about about $50m and live pretty comfortably too.

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    1. Re:Great, but I wonder what the catch is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > However the modern version always seems to have some catch

      Welcome to the "neoliberalist" groupthink, a cancer which started in the 70ies and is culminating these days in blights like anorectic states, austerity, "free" trade agreements carefully engineered to fuck over the poor, mass migrations, and lastly, a Renaissance of fascism's ugly face.

      (No, liberal not in the sense which is common in the USA, which means "liberty for people", but more in this "neo", which means "liberty for money").

    2. Re:Great, but I wonder what the catch is? by hughbar · · Score: 2

      Agree. I'm from the 60's so I remember the hippies. OK, a lot of that was very naive but also positive, humane and generous. We need (badly) to bring that spirit back.

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    3. Re:Great, but I wonder what the catch is? by hawkfish · · Score: 1

      However the modern version always seems to have some catch

      Welcome to the "neoliberalist" groupthink, a cancer which started in the 70ies and is culminating these days in blights like anorectic states, austerity, "free" trade agreements carefully engineered to fuck over the poor, mass migrations, and lastly, a Renaissance of fascism's ugly face.

      (No, liberal not in the sense which is common in the USA, which means "liberty for people", but more in this "neo", which means "liberty for money").

      Oddly enough, this started in part as a reaction to Watergate.

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    4. Re:Great, but I wonder what the catch is? by Actually,+I+do+RTFA · · Score: 1

      As an old Brit, I admire many of our Victorian philanthropists

      Hey, America produced some quality philanthropists as well. I'm thinking of the Carnagie mold, robber-barons who thought it was immoral to die with most of their money.

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  10. "after enhancing the product" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee, I can't wait to see what this means...

  11. wrong name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The name itself wil drive people away.

  12. Enhancements? by thunderclees · · Score: 1
    By enhancements perhaps they mean engineer it so that it can suck up every detail of every user like Facebook?

    'I Need More Privacy, You Don't' - Mark Zuckerberg

  13. Benefit of the world? by jenningsthecat · · Score: 2

    Part of me wants to applaud this initiative, yet another part of me is very uneasy. From a link in TFS:

    ...we built partnerships with dozens of publishers in a copyright aligned model...

    "Copyright aligned"? I sorta get it; on the other hand any scientific data that was funded in whole or in part by the government, (either directly, or indirectly via tax breaks / subsidies), should be copyright-free as far as I'm concerned. Realistically, that means the vast majority of such data.

    ...we also commercialized an AI technology that can read millions of papers to uncover emerging discoveries years ahead of time...

    This sounds potentially useful - so long as the scientists who use it don't fall into the trap of relying solely on this pre-digested data instead of going to the source. It also strikes me as a kind of censorship bottleneck. Whether selectively and on purpose, (for political ends), or accidentally because of faults in the algos or in the paradigm used in their design, a LOT of potentially important info will be caught in this giant data sieve and left behind.

    We worked progressively through the creation of capabilities toward a universal system for analyzing scientific knowledge.

    Except for some very fundamental principles, "universal" and "scientific knowledge" should be held to be mutually exclusive. There is no absolute, nor even objective, definition of "universal" when it comes to science, because science is constantly re-defining what we regard as universal.

    In short, this idea may seem good from afar, but it may also be far from good when it's put into practice. The framing of this project just drips with hubris.

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    1. Re:Benefit of the world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Part of me wants to applaud this initiative, yet another part of me is very uneasy.

      With good reason. Regardless of what it claims to do, they will have access to what people are using to research things, the ability to manipulate search results and the ability to correlate individuals with interests in research. Given how Facebook has abused every single technology they've gotten their paws on to the detriment of mankind as a whole it would be absurd to think otherwise of this.

  14. Great! We can read research papers online by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With video ads at full volume and long running scripts.

  15. Someone's using terms wrong by drew_kime · · Score: 1

    Meta's AI recognizes authors and citations between papers so it can surface the most important research instead of just what has the best SEO.

    That's literally the definition of SEO. All they're saying is that their algorithm is slightly different from Google's. Though considering how closely Google guards the details of theirs, it's hard to say how Meta will actually be different. And if this takes off, how long before people start gaming the Meta algorithm?

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  16. AI will follow the FB model by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This AI is just going to end up filling the same model as Facebook and it'll be like Wikipedia 2.0 for "science research." Does no one see the absolute control of info these to have? Keep people stupid and glued to all they and prepare them for "Suckerburg" presidency. I think Mark and Chan just became the new JASON.

  17. 'Fake' research by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the Jew has been crying about 'Fake news' for the past few months, now that their cattle (goyim) are waking up...
    What about fake research?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2017/01/18/researchers-struggle-to-replicate-5-influential-cancer-experiments-from-top-labs/?utm_term=.687322ac0047

    http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2016/04/biomedicine_facing_a_worse_replication_crisis_than_the_one_plaguing_psychology.html

    http://www.jove.com/blog/2012/05/03/studies-show-only-10-of-published-science-articles-are-reproducible-what-is-happening

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/28/us-science-cancer-idUSBRE82R12P20120328

    http://blogs.nature.com/news/2011/09/reliability_of_new_drug_target.html

    Thereby proving that most research is FAKE research.

  18. Help? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can someone help me parse this capitalized title because it's impossible to read.

  19. Wrong by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Minimum age is 35, not 45.

    It remains to be seen if Russia can influence an election in the US.

    1. Re:Wrong by Gussington · · Score: 1

      Minimum age is 35, not 45.

      It remains to be seen if Russia can influence an election in the US.

      Russia is already influencing this election, look at how much airtime is given to the subject. Just as China, Mexico, and the Philippines are. Whether there's enough influence to swing a result is another story, but you'd be naive to think it couldn't be done.

  20. Researchers use search.crossref.org by 1_brown_mouse · · Score: 1

    If you are really looking to capture metadata, DOIs, and links to articles, there really is no better place.

  21. Despite some questions about openness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This does sound like a positive, hopefully democratic and necessary step for encouraging more joined up thinking and pooling our collective knowledge together in research and academia.

    Reduced duplication, and focusing on practical, more widely referenced research will be an upshot - in the end will gain from things like better food growing technology to reduce the cost of food and food poverty.

  22. Its the Clintons allover again. by BeCre8iv · · Score: 1

    Make a tax avoiding show of a 'charitable foundation' while forcing people off their ancestral lands in hawaii.
    fuck zuckerberg and his ethnic cleansing ways.

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