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IBM Promised Domestic Jobs, But is Firing Thousands of US Workers and Moving Some Jobs Overseas (siliconbeat.com)

As companies fall all over themselves to hype creation of U.S. jobs, IBM is catching flak for promising thousands of new ones while firing folks right and left. From a report: Company CEO Ginni Rometty said in a December USA Today op-ed that her firm would hire 25,000 people for U.S. positions in the next four years, 6,000 of them this year. "She didn't mention that International Business Machines Corp. was also firing workers and sending many of the jobs overseas," reports Bloomberg. Big Blue wrapped up its third round of 2016 firings -- or "resource actions" in IBM HR parlance -- in late November, and job losses for the year likely totaled in the thousands, current and former employees told Bloomberg. Many of the jobs were shipped to Asia and Eastern Europe, and the firings have continued into this year, employees said.

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  1. Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Another Trump victory! All hail the chief!

    1. Re:Trump! by Desler · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fake news! Fake news! These are clearly economic leftovers from " /s

    2. Re:Trump! by jebrick · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Another Trump victory! All hail the chief!

      Companies are adjusting their PR to give Trump apparent wins so he will lay off of them. Ford did the same thing. Both companies have had their plans set for a year or more but the PR changes. Yes IBM is hiring American workers in place A and yes they are laying off more American workers in place B to expand over seas.

    3. Re:Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Tomorrow Trump will just announce IBM has just created 250,000 US positions after talking to him that morning....

      He's a professional fraudster. Do you think he can't just make up a few numbers, while he can bar any government agencies from saying anything that contradicts his lies? He can both lie, and conceal the lies now!

      e.g.
      Trump: "I spend $196 million refurbishing the Washington Post Pavillion", this is the number he tells the "National Capital Planning Commission".

      Yet documents filed with the "National Park Service" say $160 million to refurbish, 36 million less. This is in order to claim $32 million in federal subsidy. With him paying $128 million.

      The loan is $170 million, from Deutsch bank BTW. Trump has borrowed 32% more than the cost of the refurb, with the rest skimmed off to cover losses elsewhere.

      Trump says Trump-owned entities have “invested over $40 million of equity”. Yet his federal election filing says his stake is worth less than $25 million. Another mismatch.

      His numbers all contradict themselves. At this point, his lease is void because he's a federal employee and cannot gain from a federal lease. So the loan from Deutsche Bank has void capital securing it. This is because he refuses to sell his business to his son, he could do that now, sell Trump Corp to his son for $1 but then his son would have all those fake numbers on his name instead of dads.

      I'm guessing the federal agency that leases out the post office will get a new head who decides to simply ignore that anti corruption law, and visits Russia a lot.

      But hey, 250,000 new IBM business jobs! Or was it 2.5 million!

    4. Re:Trump! by tobiasly · · Score: 5, Funny

      Another Trump victory! All hail the chief!

      I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding about the facts; job size numbers are very difficult to estimate accurately. I expect him to send out a tweet any minute now to clear it all up.

    5. Re:Trump! by Baloroth · · Score: 3, Informative

      I mean, I'm not Trump supporter (by any means), but from the original Bloomberg report:

      In late November, IBM completed at least its third round of firings in 2016, according to former and current employees. They don't know how many people have lost their jobs but say it's probably in the thousands, with many of the positions shipped to Asia and Eastern Europe.

      Or, in other words, TFA has absolutely zero numbers on how many people were actually fired. They instead asked employees to estimate how many of their fellow employees they thought were fired. No facts, no figures, pure 100% speculation from employees who we have no reason to suspect know anything at all about how many people were actually fired. It might be true, but there's precisely zero evidence that it is, and it's being reported like a well-sourced fact. Modern day journalism, everybody.

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    6. Re:Trump! by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah. I can't wait to pay American labor rates for everything I buy.

      Now instead of hearing us cry about not being able to afford health insurance, you'll hear us cry about not being able to afford anything.

      Trump: Let's Make American Products Expensive Again!!

      Before massive outsourcing^W globalization, people used to be able to afford houses and families and medical care on a single income.
      After siphoning jobs and industries to other countries for 4 decades, how's our economy doing?

    7. Re:Trump! by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Some of us even complain that the cheap junk filling the stores has displaced higher quality products, and we'd really love to pay historical prices for historical quality.

      There are lots of layers of complexity in these issues, and that is mostly lost in the food fights.

  2. What's the problem here? by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You thought IBM meant 25,000 net jobs?

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    1. Re:What's the problem here? by iamgnat · · Score: 4, Funny

      You thought IBM meant 25,000 net jobs?

      It's OK. IBM just has alternate facts, so it's all good.

    2. Re: What's the problem here? by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alternate facts are doubleplusgood for those who use it. Remember: we have always been at war with Eurasia.

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  3. INTERNATIONAL Business Machines by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just a reminder that the name of the company is INTERNATIONAL Business Machines, not American Business Machines. Just because the company is based in the US doesn't mean it will necessarily hire people in the US. IBM gets roughly 65% of their revenue outside the US. One would expect their staffing to reflect that fact.

    I am NOT trying to defend IBM's actions. Merely pointing out that they aren't necessarily surprising and without more context it's hard to make an informed judgement about them. I'm all for the home team but that may or may not make sense for that particular company.

  4. True to their name by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's IBM, International Business Machines not DBM, Domestic Business Machines.

    All they're doing is being true to their name. Now if Apple would go back to selling fruit, and Amazon started selling warrior women the world would be less confusing.

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  5. It's more than putting jobs where the money is by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You probably don't know this, but IBM is also protecting US based management jobs while they are letting US based employees hit the bricks. Were you aware of that? I have a sort of relative by marriage (related to someone related to me through marriage) and he's been in middle management at IBM for probably at least 20 years now. IBM will keep him around forever even as they lay off other US based employees where he works. I'm guessing that maybe they make these people remotely manage foreign employees, but he hasn't given a lot of details and I rarely see him. I only know that he's said he has zero worries about ever losing his job there. A lot of what IBM is doing doesn't actually make a lot of sense. It's just designed to prop up the stock value.

    1. Re:It's more than putting jobs where the money is by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny
      ob:

      two lions escape from the zoo, split up to increase their chances but agreed to meet after 2 months.
      When they finally meet, one is skinny and the other overweight.
      The thin one says: "How did you manage? I ate a human just once and they turned out a small army to chase me â" guns, nets, it was terrible. Since then Iâ(TM)ve been reduced to eating mice, insects, even grass."
      The fat one replies: "Well, *I* hid near an IBM office and ate a manager a day. And nobody even noticed!"

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      the preceding comment is my own and in no way reflects the opinion of the Joint Chiefs of Staff

  6. Block them as a federal vendor by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being removed from the GSA schedule for goods and services should be a good wake up call pour encourager les autres. After all, a vendor that is essentially angling itself as a foreign company shouldn't expect federal contracts.

  7. Re:"All the jobs are leaving" as unemployment fall by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why don't you give me a million gold coins first, and then we'll see what I see in them. Wake up, we're trading good jobs for Uber sleeping in the parking lot jobs. Low unemployment may mean people are desperate and taking whatever they can.

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  8. IBM is MAKING NEW JOBS in the US by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last year they had only 422,000 jobs in the US, but this year they will be increasing that to 397,000 jobs! It's a win for everyone - more jobs, more cost savings, and 397,000 US jobs. How can you possibly argue with that?

    Oh, and chocolate rations are going up again, too.

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    Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
  9. Re:More to come from other companies by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless you are very very sharp - like you can read the paper on MP4 encoding - and implement it from scratch and understand the math and everything on a desert island, you'll have a future.

    You are missing the much larger group of people who will continue to have jobs. They are the technical staff with the soft skills necessary to interface with business and the technical skills to make high level design decisions. This is already where most of the real money in the IT industry is made. Whether they are consultants, software architects, Director of IT, etc these workers are the most insulated from shipping jobs overseas. They are also the ones who greatly benefit from the H1B and other immigration programs.

    You don't need to be in the wealthy class to have a future, but you do need to work closely with the wealthy class. If you like hiding behind your desk your days are numbered.

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  10. Was BS all along by rijrunner · · Score: 3, Informative

    Ginny stated she would hire 25,000 in the US over the next few years.

    Which is roughly the number of people who would normally retire or otherwise leave IBM over the same timeframe. This was more about backfill than adding positions. (I suspect the number hired would still represent an overall loss to the US employment figures).

  11. IBM revenues are down by TheSync · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The fact is that IBM just reported its 19th straight quarter of declining revenue. They will have zero jobs soon unless they turn it around.

    IBM cognitive solutions and technology/cloud platforms divisions reported small year-over-year revenue increases. Meanwhile, global business services saw revenues sliding 4% lower, and systems sales came in 12.5% below the year-ago period.