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IBM Promised Domestic Jobs, But is Firing Thousands of US Workers and Moving Some Jobs Overseas (siliconbeat.com)

As companies fall all over themselves to hype creation of U.S. jobs, IBM is catching flak for promising thousands of new ones while firing folks right and left. From a report: Company CEO Ginni Rometty said in a December USA Today op-ed that her firm would hire 25,000 people for U.S. positions in the next four years, 6,000 of them this year. "She didn't mention that International Business Machines Corp. was also firing workers and sending many of the jobs overseas," reports Bloomberg. Big Blue wrapped up its third round of 2016 firings -- or "resource actions" in IBM HR parlance -- in late November, and job losses for the year likely totaled in the thousands, current and former employees told Bloomberg. Many of the jobs were shipped to Asia and Eastern Europe, and the firings have continued into this year, employees said.

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  1. Trump! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Another Trump victory! All hail the chief!

    1. Re:Trump! by jebrick · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Another Trump victory! All hail the chief!

      Companies are adjusting their PR to give Trump apparent wins so he will lay off of them. Ford did the same thing. Both companies have had their plans set for a year or more but the PR changes. Yes IBM is hiring American workers in place A and yes they are laying off more American workers in place B to expand over seas.

    2. Re:Trump! by tobiasly · · Score: 5, Funny

      Another Trump victory! All hail the chief!

      I'm sure it's all just a misunderstanding about the facts; job size numbers are very difficult to estimate accurately. I expect him to send out a tweet any minute now to clear it all up.

    3. Re:Trump! by sexconker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah. I can't wait to pay American labor rates for everything I buy.

      Now instead of hearing us cry about not being able to afford health insurance, you'll hear us cry about not being able to afford anything.

      Trump: Let's Make American Products Expensive Again!!

      Before massive outsourcing^W globalization, people used to be able to afford houses and families and medical care on a single income.
      After siphoning jobs and industries to other countries for 4 decades, how's our economy doing?

  2. What's the problem here? by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You thought IBM meant 25,000 net jobs?

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    1. Re:What's the problem here? by iamgnat · · Score: 4, Funny

      You thought IBM meant 25,000 net jobs?

      It's OK. IBM just has alternate facts, so it's all good.

    2. Re: What's the problem here? by houghi · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Alternate facts are doubleplusgood for those who use it. Remember: we have always been at war with Eurasia.

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  3. INTERNATIONAL Business Machines by sjbe · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just a reminder that the name of the company is INTERNATIONAL Business Machines, not American Business Machines. Just because the company is based in the US doesn't mean it will necessarily hire people in the US. IBM gets roughly 65% of their revenue outside the US. One would expect their staffing to reflect that fact.

    I am NOT trying to defend IBM's actions. Merely pointing out that they aren't necessarily surprising and without more context it's hard to make an informed judgement about them. I'm all for the home team but that may or may not make sense for that particular company.

  4. It's more than putting jobs where the money is by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You probably don't know this, but IBM is also protecting US based management jobs while they are letting US based employees hit the bricks. Were you aware of that? I have a sort of relative by marriage (related to someone related to me through marriage) and he's been in middle management at IBM for probably at least 20 years now. IBM will keep him around forever even as they lay off other US based employees where he works. I'm guessing that maybe they make these people remotely manage foreign employees, but he hasn't given a lot of details and I rarely see him. I only know that he's said he has zero worries about ever losing his job there. A lot of what IBM is doing doesn't actually make a lot of sense. It's just designed to prop up the stock value.

    1. Re:It's more than putting jobs where the money is by Thud457 · · Score: 5, Funny
      ob:

      two lions escape from the zoo, split up to increase their chances but agreed to meet after 2 months.
      When they finally meet, one is skinny and the other overweight.
      The thin one says: "How did you manage? I ate a human just once and they turned out a small army to chase me â" guns, nets, it was terrible. Since then Iâ(TM)ve been reduced to eating mice, insects, even grass."
      The fat one replies: "Well, *I* hid near an IBM office and ate a manager a day. And nobody even noticed!"

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  5. Block them as a federal vendor by DeplorableCodeMonkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Being removed from the GSA schedule for goods and services should be a good wake up call pour encourager les autres. After all, a vendor that is essentially angling itself as a foreign company shouldn't expect federal contracts.

  6. Re:"All the jobs are leaving" as unemployment fall by fluffernutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why don't you give me a million gold coins first, and then we'll see what I see in them. Wake up, we're trading good jobs for Uber sleeping in the parking lot jobs. Low unemployment may mean people are desperate and taking whatever they can.

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  7. IBM is MAKING NEW JOBS in the US by Overzeetop · · Score: 5, Funny

    Last year they had only 422,000 jobs in the US, but this year they will be increasing that to 397,000 jobs! It's a win for everyone - more jobs, more cost savings, and 397,000 US jobs. How can you possibly argue with that?

    Oh, and chocolate rations are going up again, too.

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  8. Re:More to come from other companies by ranton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unless you are very very sharp - like you can read the paper on MP4 encoding - and implement it from scratch and understand the math and everything on a desert island, you'll have a future.

    You are missing the much larger group of people who will continue to have jobs. They are the technical staff with the soft skills necessary to interface with business and the technical skills to make high level design decisions. This is already where most of the real money in the IT industry is made. Whether they are consultants, software architects, Director of IT, etc these workers are the most insulated from shipping jobs overseas. They are also the ones who greatly benefit from the H1B and other immigration programs.

    You don't need to be in the wealthy class to have a future, but you do need to work closely with the wealthy class. If you like hiding behind your desk your days are numbered.

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