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Trump's FCC Chairman Pick Ajit Pai Vows To Close Broadband 'Digital Divide' (arstechnica.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: On his first full day as Federal Communications Commission Chairman, Republican Ajit Pai yesterday spoke to FCC staff and said one of his top priorities will be bringing broadband to all Americans. "One of the most significant things that I've seen during my time here is that there is a digital divide in this country -- between those who can use cutting-edge communications services and those who do not," Pai said (transcript). "I believe one of our core priorities going forward should be to close that divide -- to do what's necessary to help the private sector build networks, send signals, and distribute information to American consumers, regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else. We must work to bring the benefits of the digital age to all Americans." Pai promised to "hear all points of view -- to approach every issue with a literal open door and a figurative open mind," as the FCC "confronts this and many other challenges." Pai didn't offer any specific initiatives for closing the digital divide yesterday, but in September 2016 he outlined a "digital empowerment agenda." The plan included "remov[ing] regulatory barriers to broadband deployment," changes to pole attachment rules, and "dig once" policies that install broadband conduit when roads are dug up during any road and highway construction project. He also proposed setting aside 10 percent of spectrum auction proceeds for deployment of mobile broadband in rural areas. Pai suggested requiring mobile carriers to build out service to 95 percent of the population in areas where they have spectrum licenses; he noted that some licenses only required service for 66 percent or 75 percent of residents, a problem in sparsely populated rural areas. At the same time, he proposed extending initial spectrum license terms from 10 years to 15 years to give the carriers more time to complete the construction. Pai also proposed creating "gigabit opportunity zones" in areas where average household income is below 75 percent of the national median. In these areas, state and local lawmakers would have to "adopt streamlined, broadband deployment-friendly policies," and there would be tax incentives and tax credits for companies building high-speed networks.

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  1. "Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And just how many Mbps is this "Broadband" from the a Trumpists point of view?

    1. Re:"Broadband" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      Isn't anything better than dial-up, satellite or low-end DSL better when that's the only option you have?

      I've been living with only 5Mbps for over six years now and it's plenty enough to not feel "left behind".

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    2. Re:"Broadband" by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Is there anything in there statements that re-defines that down from what the previous administration defined it by moving the numbers up?

    3. Re:"Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can get 3mbit dsl, and only by luck of knowing the local telephone tech. Technically my area is provisioned for 1.5mbit dsl.

      Surprisingly it works well. I can watch netflix and hulu just fine. HBO too. That said, I'm thinking about putting a squid caching proxy on my network to help out, but haven't looked into that too hard yet.

    4. Re:"Broadband" by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      It's important that the bar is set high enough because it decides what gets funded and thus what gets built.

      Compaines shouldn't be deploying 768kbps connections in this day and age but they will happily do so for free govt money.

      5Mbps is only good enough for one user at a time IMHO.

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    5. Re: "Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Getting 768kbs would be a miracle compared to what a 1 Terabit link is like when it is shared between a university campus of 20,000 users. We were lucky to get 25kbs. It was faster ssh'ing to my home PC, downloading the file, and taking the bus home than it was waiting in the lab.

      Having competition from two or more ISP's will be better than having one ISP with a regulated minimum quality of service.

    6. Re:"Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to have 5mpbs. I get 1.5, max. It's the one and only choice unless I moved 1 mile in any direction. I'm in a shitty little pocket and because we don't have much in the terms of population density in my immediate area, the likelihood of getting faster speeds in the next 10 years is pretty much nil.

      Don't worry, Trump will redefine what broadband means as well as speeds, and all other facts. 1.5mpbs will soon become what is referred to "super fast, huge internet speed" and be the baseline.

      No actual work will be performed, just alternative facts. Brilliant idea actually. Trump will redefine what a wall actually is a nothing will need to be built, yet, he'll claim a wall was built and it'll be a huge wall of um well I don't know what that "wall" will be made of because I'm not a creative liar who is completely incapable of speaking any thing that resembles the truth.

    7. Re:"Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      in September 2016 he outlined a "digital empowerment agenda." The plan included "removing regulatory barriers to broadband deployment,"

      The only "barriers" that exist are those created by Republican politicians. At least 20 states, all controlled by Republicans, have passed laws prohibiting cities from building their own broadband networks, even when the local cable and phone monopolies refuse to provide service at a reasonable price. Or at any price. And the reason is simple, It would create competition and that would force the broadband monopolies to increase speed, lower their prices and abandon bullshit practices like data caps.

      These laws were written by lobbyists from all the big cable and phone monopolies, including Mr. Pai's former employer, Verizon.

      If you think something is suddenly going to change, I've got a jar of magic beans I want to sell you.

    8. Re:"Broadband" by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      This, even just dialup speeds is 604.8 megabytes a day.That is not much less than I get now. And is like 20 times better than what I grew up with, which was dialup but really slow.

      I would love the government even if they could even get a fairly decent affordable 1 MB/s service out here.

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    9. Re:"Broadband" by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Fast enough to post the biggest pepe before the timeout i presume.

    10. Re:"Broadband" by youngone · · Score: 1
      I have an old PC running pfSense doing Squid (as well as firewalling etc) on my network. I'm not really sure how much difference it makes to be honest.

      I can't believe how slow network speeds are in parts of the US, I get 38 mbps or so on VDSL where I live, but that's not considered particularly fast. My neighbours have the fibre service that has just been laid, and they get 100 mbps down no problem.

      1.5 mbps would be a disaster at my house, with 4 people streaming video or playing games at the same time.

    11. Re: "Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, are you asking your fellow taxpayers to subsidize your broadband service? If so, do you consider that fair?

    12. Re: "Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      12 mbps here with a bonded DSL lines. It is enough for 2 medium NetFlix streams, 4 phones browsing, and intense website development.

    13. Re:"Broadband" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I'm on dial-up and squid doesn't really help, especially as more and more sites are switching to HTTPS, which squid doesn't seem to cache. Shit I have a hard time loading a slashdot page since they went HTTPS. Looks like this one loaded about 2/3rds before giving up.

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    14. Re:"Broadband" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      You must have had a good dial-up connection. Here it's about 12MBs an hour, so not even 300MBs a day if I don't mind tying up the phone for 24hrs and I've been kicked off a couple of ISPs for using less. As usual unlimited doesn't really mean unlimited.
      My government is paying the telco to put in a cell tower (and officially I lost my dial-up last Nov 16th, but since in Canada it is considered an essential service, it's still working). I figure it'll probably take about an hour to use the monthly quota if I pay the same as I do for dial-up ($38 a month).

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    15. Re: "Broadband" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Just to be clear, are you asking your fellow taxpayers to subsidize your broadband service? If so, do you consider that fair?

      That's how society works, and always has. The Romans had subsidized roads. The American Constitution has a clause for postal roads, and with advancements in technology, broadband is about important for a working society as postal service was in the 18th century.
      Of course I'm sure you have nothing to do with the roads so as to not unfairly take advantage of your fellow taxpayers.

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    16. Re:"Broadband" by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      So you're getting 33.6kbps? Damn, I can't even imagine how you deal with that these days. Too much bloat in web pages.

    17. Re:"Broadband" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Disable javascript, disable images.

      Still not fast enough? Disable CSS.

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    18. Re:"Broadband" by starblazer · · Score: 2

      squid is worthless nowadays as everything is https, unless you are intercepting and decrypting the traffic using squid's SSLbump.

    19. Re:"Broadband" by starblazer · · Score: 1

      are you using sslbump in squid? see my other reply for the URL.

    20. Re:"Broadband" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      CONNECT 28800/ARQ/V34/LAPM/V42BIS, at the best often 26.4, and better have a good modem to get that over the rusty barbed wire they call phone lines here (about a hour outside Vancouver).

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    21. Re:"Broadband" by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, you misunderstand. They want to "help private businesses build the networks". Translation: They want to bribe the cable companies and phone companies who refused to build out the network to serve the poor, putting money into their pockets in exchange for a promise of a buildout that will never actually happen except on paper, same as always happens when the Republicans are in control.

      There is, as you rightfully point out, exactly one way to build infrastructure that is truly universal, and that's for local governments to foot the bill for construction and then lease access to companies that provide service. That way, the government can bring in multiple providers with minimal up-front costs per provider, thus allowing real, honest-to-goodness competition in broadband service, without the giant noose of the infrastructure construction hanging around the ISPs necks.

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    22. Re: "Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I subsidize their kids going to school, so damn straight they can subsidize my broadband.

    23. Re: "Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yuge Internet speed, not huge.

    24. Re:"Broadband" by SnowZero · · Score: 1

      The only "barriers" that exist are those created by Republican politicians.

      Then explain why California has such a crappy broadband law. It does seem that deep Red states have the worst laws (outright bans), but the major ISPs are "friends" of every government and are just as happy with planting minefields. As long as it stops municipalities from solving the last mile, it's a good deal for them.

    25. Re:"Broadband" by dryeo · · Score: 1

      Thanks. Looks like squid needs to be recompiled with SSL support here.

      2017/01/26 10:57:19| FATAL: Unknown http(s)_port option 'ssl-bump'
      FATAL: Bungled /squid/etc/squid.conf line 81: http_port 3128 ssl-bump cert=/usr/
      local/squid3/etc/site_priv+pub.pem
      Squid Cache (Version 3.3.11): Terminated abnormally.
      CPU Usage: 0.000 seconds = 0.000 user + 0.000 sys
      Maximum Resident Size: 0 KB
      Page faults with physical i/o: 0

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    26. Re: "Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a partridge in MP3.

    27. Re: "Broadband" by dmesg0 · · Score: 1

      1 Terabit/s divided by 20,000 is 50MBps per student (or even 53Mib/s if you are talking about binary Tebibit).
      That's a lot.

    28. Re:"Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're running for office in your local city council, right?

    29. Re:"Broadband" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      in there statements

      "their".

  2. Access does not imply cost by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 0

    So, it will be available in more areas, at greater costs and in more limited uses.

    See, I "expanded access".

    Now, fork over the $300 a month.

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    1. Re:Access does not imply cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So like Obamacare?

    2. Re:Access does not imply cost by unixisc · · Score: 1

      So, it will be available in more areas, at greater costs and in more limited uses.

      See, I "expanded access".

      Now, fork over the $300 a month.

      'Digital Divide' implies that everybody will be able to afford it, not just that it'll be as available in Portland, ME as it is in Portland, OR.

    3. Re:Access does not imply cost by AaronW · · Score: 4, Informative

      I love it. It's keeping my sister alive (literally). Without it, due to her condition there's no way she could buy insurance other than work provided insurance, especially given that her medication that keeps her alive costs $5K/month, most of that being the medication (a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_globulin">gamma globulin). With her work insurance her co-pay for her medicine would be $500/month (she makes $11/hour as a teacher). Thanks to the ACA she was able to get a plan that covers her medication. I have a number of friends who also rely on it who would otherwise be without insurance which they need. While far from perfect, in most cases it's an improvement over what we had before. I had a friend who relied on it once he got cancer and could no longer work due to it. It kept him alive for a couple of years he otherwise wouldn't have had with his family. He eventually died from the cancer, but it didn't leave his family totally bankrupt from it either.

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    4. Re:Access does not imply cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dare say that if she (or if married her spouse) cannot work to get insurance, Medicaid would likely take over her care if the ACA wasn't there. Plus, how on earth she manages to pay the premiums and deductibles w/o a job? Is she getting assistance with those costs? If so, I am certain Medicaid in her state will take over her care when the ACA goes away. That's how it used to work you know. There WAS a safety net already in place before the ACA came along.

    5. Re:Access does not imply cost by lactose99 · · Score: 1

      Didn't cover much in the way of prescription drugs though, which is how many Medicaid recipients were getting completely screwed.

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    6. Re:Access does not imply cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was MEDICARE that had that issue, not Medicaid. Plus, if Medicaid has that issue in your state, contact your state because that's who decides what's covered and what's not. (It's a block grant..)

    7. Re:Access does not imply cost by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Unless this guy supports getting rid of laws banning municipal broadband, he's just another full-of-shit talker. In most areas there is almost no real competition among broadband providers. You have one cable company that can provide fast broadband, one phone company that can provide slow broadband, and a few satellite companies that can provide VERY slow broadband. Aside from that, you have the vague dream that Google might one day bring fiber optic to your neighborhood (which, at the rate Google is deploying fiber, is about as likely as the tooth fairy showing up).

      The only cities where there is real competition are cities like Chattanooga, with real municipal broadband. Unfortunately, corporate-whore politicians have passed laws that make it almost impossible to deploy municipal broadband in most states. Even in Tennessee, it's illegal to deploy (Chattanooga only has it because they built it early-on and got grandfathered in). And these laws are holding the U.S. back as we go from being the one-time internet pioneer to the worldwide internet also-ran.

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    8. Re:Access does not imply cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While far from perfect, in *most cases* it's an improvement over what we had before.

      For people with pre-existing conditions and catastrophic illnesses, you bet.

      For everyone else... ehh. Seems your opinion is drawn primarily from the immediate people around you.

  3. Bring broadband to all Americans... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, we want to bring broadband to all Americans... so my ex-clients can gouge the shit out of them with rent-seeking behavior, unneeded service caps and fees, and charging content providers that aren't directly owned by the ISP access fees after we shitcan Net Neutrality!

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    1. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know. I preferred Obama, who just talked about stuff like this and didn't do anything. That was much better than having greedy evil companies providing services to the less privileged.

    2. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you don't get it, son.

    3. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's still better to have it be available at some price than not available at all. If the infrastructure gets built, future administrations have more ability to reign in the abuses.

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    4. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer a president who says he will do something and then does nothing than a president who says he will actively fuck you over, and does just that.

    5. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      Assuming it goes that far. I'm guessing a huge federal payout to the telecoms, of which not a penny gets spent on rural broadband. To meet their obligations, the telecoms lobby to have the definition of broadband lowered, suddenly millions more have "broadband"...mission accomplished.

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    6. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not looking forward to the gutting of Net Neutrality because I believe carriers will degrade services and exact transit tolls. Ultimately I predict that under their control Streaming video and online video game services will be bundle deals you pay your carrier for. Just like cable franchises work now.

      Meaning you pay your carrier for netflix or youtube.. OR xbox live or steam.. - They get a cut and get to manipulate the market because of it.

      Then again, we were worried with the Obama FCC pick and he turned out to be the carrier's worst nightmare - He was an insider that knew how those companies worked and knew how to fight them. This guy is an industry lawyer and has similar knowledge and if, perhaps, he actually does his job instead of being an industry hack he could also be good at his job.

      The end goals of Net Neutrality could be achieved by other means.

      Expanding broadband access is good too. Lets hope it's not granting companies spectrum and rights of way without verifying that they've actually provided access, and/or lowering the definition of 'broadband'. We've seen plenty of that in the past.

      Infrastructure isn't cheap and giving away access and spectrum isn't going to make companies build out in to sparse areas if they don't think they're going to get a return. Rural broadband will have to be subsidized.

    7. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember "didn't do anything" was really the active goal of the GOP in congress. He had no way to get things done after the Democrats lost the house and senate in 2010, because the GOP prevented any of his initiatives.

    8. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by rsborg · · Score: 1

      It's still better to have it be available at some price than not available at all. If the infrastructure gets built, future administrations have more ability to reign in the abuses.

      Whatever happened keeping free market actually free? Seems the Obama excuses for bigger government are now parroted by Trump except replace government with telcos.
      Lets do what Clinton did and give Telcos a bunch of money and hope they have our best interests at heart!

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    9. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As opposed to doing what they did in the 90s, which was take the money, not build the infrastructure, and tell us all to go fuck ourselves?

    10. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Only if it isn't required to live a reasonable life. In some places all the government services and information have moved online, and businesses have shut down their shops and call centres. Even in the UK it got to the stage where getting any kind of good deal on utilities required net access.

      If you are going to allow virtual monopolies and price gouging, it needs to be something you really can live without.

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    11. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Might as well include the infrastructure building into the plot development requirements for every city, so that there would at least be dark fiber for every new development in every zoned area. Sewer, telephone and fiber, always together.

    12. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      future administrations have more ability to reign in the abuses.

      Thank you, I needed a good laugh.

    13. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by rudy_wayne · · Score: 1

      It's still better to have it be available at some price than not available at all.

      LOL. Nice troll.

      Something you can't afford is of no use.

    14. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      have more ability to reign in

      "Rein in". The euphemism is about horses, not kings.

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    15. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Yes, we want to bring broadband to all Americans... so my ex-clients can gouge the shit out of them with rent-seeking behavior, unneeded service caps and fees, and charging content providers that aren't directly owned by the ISP access fees after we shitcan Net Neutrality!

      Not to be all devils advocate but the same thing was said about Tom Wheeler when he was picked by Obama to head the FCC. And Wheeler ended up being a strong advocate for Net Neutrality and tried limiting cable and telephone monopolies. Of course the odds are that Ajit Pai will be so deep in the pockets of the cable and telephone companies that it would take a search team three weeks to find his nose, but it is not unheard of that a former lobbyist bites the hand that fed them.

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    16. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Well, you have Obama to thank for that. "I've got a pen and a phone" was how he phrased that whole "fuck Congress, I can do what I want" thing. Precedent is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

      Ultimately, I have no real problem with the notion of making broadband available to everyone. But this (probably) isn't the way to do it.

      Note that I use the word "probably".

      A counterpoint: Rural Electrification Act. FDR's version of the broadband divide. My grandparents wouldn't have had electricity without it.

      In other words, this sort of thing has been something that the Feds have been doing for about 80 years now. get over it.

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    17. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Remember "didn't do anything" was really the active goal of the GOP in congress. He had no way to get things done after the Democrats lost the house and senate in 2010, because the GOP prevented any of his initiatives.

      Thank the LORD for that.

      Actually, I think Obama *could* have made progress had he decided to try and work with congress like Clinton did in his waning years. However, Obama was way too much of a hardliner and it was his way or the highway and he apparently relished raking the republicans over the coals when ever he could. Problem was that he burned them too often so they didn't trust him much less like him enough to answer the phone when he called for a "chat".

      It takes two to tango I suppose, but I personally got really tired of how think skinned and petty Obama got towards the end, even when his party lost control of both houses. That "I have a pen and a phone" thing was just the stink on the rest of his garbage and it was his failure to work with congress that cost him a Supreme court nominee (M Garland) from even getting into committee and any hope at a lasting legacy. It made him into the worst president in my lifetime (and I lived though Carter).

    18. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... are now parroted by Trump except replace government with telcos.
      Lets do what Clinton did and give Telcos a bunch of money and hope they have our best interests at heart!

      It's hard to be a fascist gov't when you don't have the corporategovernment connection.

      It's about Public Trust, not private coffers.

    19. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      "I've got a pen and a phone" was how he phrased that whole "fuck Congress, I can do what I want" thing.

      Which he did only well after Republicans in Congress said "fuck Obama". And even then Obama's Executive Order count (I presume that's what you're referring to, anyway) is still one of the lowest in the last century, by raw or per year.

      If you want to talk about people who say "fuck Congress", President Trump has so far signed 12 executive orders, which makes his rate 285.7 per year, the second highest in the last century (to FDR's first). This will likely decrease greatly after the first 100 days, of course, but who knows what the future will hold?

      In other words, this sort of thing has been something that the Feds have been doing for about 80 years now. get over it.

      Okay, now I think you may have replied to the wrong comment. If Pai succeeds, excellent! I have no opposition to the general idea. My laughter was on the idea that the government (present or future) would reign in the abuses from entrenched monopoly ISPs when they (the Gov) have completely failed to do so for at least the last 20 years.

    20. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's a metaphor, not a euphemism, you map of Tasmania.

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    21. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, no, you totally misunderstand. All that profiteering is their secondary objective; the primary objective is make spying on American citizens faster and easier.

    22. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He wants to do that, then he keep leave Net Neutrality right where it is and then just get rid of the regional monopolies the companies have and allow cities and towns to build their own ISPs to compete against them.

      Many of these small places would gladly fund and build their own if they could but was ruled illegal for them to do so.

      I would say to have the cities own the last mile of all of it and have the IPSs rent access to that and hook up to it so you can have multiple ISPs all in the same area and they only have to run to the central box and must compete for customers against other ISPs.

      But getting rid of net neutrality is a no go.

    23. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I think it's a bit harder to keep it free when you have a natural monopoly situation like telcos. I personally generally like the way that Europe does it; infrastructure and ISPs are different entities, and those who own the infrastructure rent it out to different ISPs. Even accounting for differences in population distribution, their prices are lower than ours. Obviously, we shouldn't just give them money, but building the infrastructure either directly or via carefully controlled subsidies gives plenty of options. It's not a free market, but it could still be good, depending on implementation.

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    24. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Yes, that is a bad model and we shouldn't repeat it.

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    25. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Hmm. Well, that's a fair point, but most rural areas in the US are still far from that. I'd also say that it's unreasonable to expect the Trump administration to deal with price gouging, but building the infrastructure is at least still a positive step, and I doubt he's going to move the government as a whole to an online-only stance.

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    26. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Sure, if you're already doing that for telephone lines, that's probably not a bad idea.

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    27. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      They have the ability - maybe not the inclination, but the ability.

      And on the topic of Obama's Executive Order usage: yes, he used fewer numerically than previous POTUSes, but the way he used it to circumvent Congress was unique. Understandable given that he wanted to do anything at all, certainly, but it still set a precedent. Even with good intentions, he upset the checks and balances between branches in a bad way.

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    28. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I think it's really important to consider how to pitch things to Trump - important for any POTUS, sure, but especially him. If you can make it fit into his message, he seems especially willing to flip-flop. Maybe net neutrality could be sold to him.

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    29. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Dammit. I knew it didn't look right when I typed it. Thanks!

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    30. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Something nobody is using isn't of use to the companies either. Especially if the government chips in for infrastructure (and makes sure the money is used for that), they aren't going to price it so high that nobody uses it.

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    31. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, we want to bring broadband to all Americans... so my ex-clients can gouge the shit out of them with rent-seeking behavior, unneeded service caps and fees, and charging content providers that aren't directly owned by the ISP access fees after we shitcan Net Neutrality!

      Sorta like Obamacare, except for broadband. I can't wait to find out what the IRS tax penalties are going to be for NOT having Internet access.

    32. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

      If net neutrality is violated, then the service provided is not "internet" (*cough* AOL). In which case, tax breaks, subsidies, safe harbor, etc. do not apply.

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    33. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you have Obama to thank for that. "I've got a pen and a phone" was how he phrased that whole "fuck Congress, I can do what I want" thing. Precedent is a wonderful thing, isn't it?

      LOL, as if tough-guy Trump wouldn't instill his own Imperial Presidency on his own initiative. Besides, we already had Teddy Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln, Andrew Jackson, and George Washington as models.

      Trump would be the first to scream that "I'm getting things done" and all of his sycophants who wrung their hands when it was Obama, will suddenly shout with glee.

      They do like strong, authoritarian belligerence.

      So all your waxing eloquent about Precedent means shit, they would do it anyway, they would do as they like, how they like, and they don't give a crap about restraint or holding the high ground.

      Watch.

      Besides, they'll blame it on Obama and Democrats too.

      Even if it is their own mistake. See the Iraq War. All Obama's fault. George W. Who?

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    34. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The Republicans have basically broken your government by being so obstructive. If compromises and horse trading are impossible, you get executive orders and other circumvention methods. And then when the next guy takes over, they all get undone with the stroke of a pen. It's not trivial stuff either, it's things like people's basic healthcare.

      In other words, your government and laws have become unstable. The normal permanence that laws have has been weakened.

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    35. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      And why did they lose the Congress? By ramming through legislation that the majority of Congressional districts didn't like.

      Funny thing about representative government - if your representatives don't do what the people they represent want, they stop being representatives at the next election.

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    36. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      When quoting numbers of Executive Orders, please also include Presidential Memoranda, which carry the same basic weight of law, but just have a different title, and aren't numbered and indexed the way an EO is. Yes, Obama may have a lower EO count, but he issued 644 Presidential Memoranda that are basically the same thing, without the publicity and record keeping. Quite the record for 'the most transparent administration in history' that he wanted to run.

      From this report published by the Congressional Research Service:

      Executive orders, presidential memoranda, and proclamations are used extensively by Presidents
      to achieve policy goals, set uniform standards for managing the executive branch, or outline a
      policy view intended to influence the behavior of private citizens. The U.S. Constitution does not
      define these presidential instruments and does not explicitly vest the President with the authority
      to issue them. Nonetheless, such orders are accepted as an inherent aspect of presidential power.
      Moreover, if they are based on appropriate authority, they have the force and effect of law.

      The distinction between these instruments—executive orders, presidential memoranda, and
      proclamations—seems to be more a matter of form than of substance, given that all three may be
      employed to direct and govern the actions of government officials and agencies. Moreover, if
      issued under a legitimate claim of authority and made public, a presidential directive could have
      the force and effect of law, “of which all courts are bound to take notice, and to which all courts
      are bound to give effect.” The only technical difference is that executive orders must be
      published in the Federal Register, while presidential memoranda and proclamations are published
      only when the President determines that they have “general applicability and legal effect.”

      Bolded emphasis is mine, in order to back up my assertions about transparency above. Obama used Executive Orders when he wanted to make a big thing out of it, and Presidential Memos when he wanted less attention. And he used the Memo 3x as much as the EO. That's not very transparent.

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    37. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And to spy on us....

    38. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I prefer a president who says he will do something and then does nothing than a president who says he will actively fuck you over, and does just that.

      I prefer friends, colleagues, and my President to do what they say. At least I can prepare for their implementation for their stated deeds. Not this Progressive wishy-washy logic of yours.

    39. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pai is already on record saying he wants to kill off net neutrality as fast as possible. Wheeler was a (welcome) oddity; you should hold no such delusions about Pai.

    40. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      calling someone a woman's patch of pubic hair is a thing?

      why?

    41. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by RyoShin · · Score: 1

      Huh, thank you for telling me about that. I was completely unaware of the separate category (the Wiki page I linked to doesn't bother to mention what the "Presidential Memoranda" column is about...).

      That's not very transparent.

      Agreed. I was quite upset with Obama's failure in transparency, even before this.

    42. Re:Bring broadband to all Americans... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If you don't know you're clearly a total cunt.

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  4. Fcc by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hopefully they build a wall around the fcc

  5. Paragraph breaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Use them.

    1. Re:Paragraph breaks by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Proper HTML paragraphs, i.e. properly formatted content, provides "breaks" on their own.

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  6. Start twisting by markdavis · · Score: 0

    >"On his first full day as Federal Communications Commission Chairman, Republican Ajit Pai yesterday spoke to FCC staff and said one of his top priorities will be bringing broadband to all Americans. [...] regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else. "

    OK, so waiting for the media (and some Slashdotters) to start twisting around what was said. How DARE a Republican, much less a new Trump appointment, say something like that! Certainly it must be a misquote, a conspiracy, or have evil motives...

    1. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Had this been under Obama, Slashdotters would be falling all over themselves with gushing praise.

    2. Re:Start twisting by fishscene · · Score: 1

      Let me be the first! (kind of). "bringing broadband to all Americans". Why not just leave it at that? Why did he play the race, gender, religion, sexual orientation cards? Seems kind of fruitless to throw random political buzzwords in there, but then again, maybe people really don't understand what "all Americans" means.

    3. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is virtue signalling.

    4. Re:Start twisting by CaptainDork · · Score: 0

      Yeah. What the simple fuck was that all about?

      Is there any case law that shows where a baker who refused to providing a goddam wedding cake to LGBTQ was also a goddam ISP?

      Full disclosure: I hope the Pussy Grabber falls down a flight of stairs, but I like most of what TFS advocates.

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    5. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its a bit strange to talk about "race, gender, religion, sexual orientation" in terms of broadband access. Its usually rural whites who live in places unserved by broadband providers. If I had to turn it into a conspiracy, I'd say that he's trying to frame himself as 'one of the acceptable picks' to avoid the backlash from the left. A reasonable hedge given the level of anger in the country.

    6. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They would have been praising Obama for picking a man to run the FCC who opposed and voted against Tom Wheeler's net neutrality rules? I don't know what planet you're living on friend, but Slashdot is pretty net neutrality positive...

    7. Re:Start twisting by Captain+Damnit · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem Chairman Pai must now confront is not unlike what his fellow Republicans in Congress are facing with healthcare: the market does not always produce socially optimal results. There is no market solution in which insurance companies will look at 55-year old cancer patient with diabetes, kidney stones, two knees in need of replacement, and a raging case of herpes and think to themselves "Hmmm...I smell Profit!". From the insurance companies' perspective, the most profitable healthcare plan for that fellow involves a coffin.

      Likewise, if it costs $20-50K in trenching and cabling to connect a single rural user at halfway decent broadband speeds, there's no way the ISPs are going to ever break even on that customer if he's paying $50-100 a month. Hence, the market completely ignores the poor and those living in the sticks.

      It's admirable that Chairman Pai recognizes that universal Internet access is central to economic prosperity, and I wish him the best of luck despite the source of his nomination, but achieving universal broadband will not happen unless there is a mandate from the government that it happen, as well as considerable funding in the form of tax credits or direct expenditures. Waving around hands and solemnly intoning "The Market knows all! The Market solves all!" will not make those realities go away any more than it would in the healthcare debate.

      I am unaware of anyone ever being denied internet access because of gender, religion, or sexual orientation. However, there are racial disparities in internet access owing to our history of segregation. Many of the high-poverty neighborhoods bypassed by ISPs are, not surprisingly, places that fell victim to redlining and the urban blight that followed it.

    8. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, so waiting for the media (and some Slashdotters) to start twisting around what was said. How DARE a Republican, much less a new Trump appointment, say something like that! Certainly it must be a misquote, a conspiracy, or have evil motives...

      You mean you're outraged that the media and Slashdotters will look at what he has to say, and examine it carefully, because of experience with lying politicians and telecommunications conglomerates who have managed to take advantage of us before.

      Why? Do you think we shouldn't expect somebody to color their actions, no matter how nefarious, with the cloak of respectability?

      Conservatives, and Donald Trump, in particular, do have something of a history of being con artists.

      Besides, you know you'd be screaming about it being a farce if it was a liberal making the same speech.

    9. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relating it back to telcos, the problem is literally the same with rural access. You have a customer that is poor, living in the sticks, yet we demand that he has access to electric and telephone service. The cost to extend service to this customer is incredibly high to build a line, maintain vegetation control, etc. So we invent a service charge that we bill against customers that are not pool, living in cities, where the marginal cost to connect additional customers is incredibly low.

      And over time, let's invent a new service that negates the need to build these lines, let's call it wireless cell service. For one tower, I can now reach dozens of rural customers, and now it's actually more expensive to hook up additional customers in cities since the system doesn't work well with density. In the medical world, it would be like removing regulations to allow inter-state policies, or high deductible catastrophic insurance, or non-company-based group policies, which would slash the prices of individual plans. Something that would be great for the small individual consumer.

      But, then the government keeps the regulations. Everyone has to keep paying for rural telephone service, even though it's cheaper to get rid of it. Everyone keeps paying for the ACA/Obamacare, even though it's cheaper to get rid of it.

      That's where we are today, with a new president that, if it's the only thing that's consistent about him is that he's tearing down old crony models that don't work for the individual consumer.

    10. Re:Start twisting by lactose99 · · Score: 0

      Dafuq? Most Slashdotters these days are neckbeard libertarians espousing the greatness of the invisible hand of the market while living in their parents' basement.

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    11. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the sort of thing WiMax was designed for.

    12. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, I don't have a neckbeard and I live in my parents' attic!

    13. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      considerable funding in the form of tax credits

      we've already funded this in many parts of the country; and we bought with that funding, only excuses and delays... never anything actually built except new vaults for verizon, at&t, et. al. to store all that free money.

    14. Re:Start twisting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fun fact: Adam Smith never specifically stated 'invisible hand' in the Wealth Of Nations, anyone who users that term has likely never read the book.

  7. Three things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Stop the price gouging and the retaliation tactics that ISP's are doing against the cord cutters/netflix migrators.
    2) Stop monopolies and either allow choice so prices remain low or there is at least checks and balances. Throw out the lobbyists.
    3) Stop companies like comcast saying that they are under the strain if they don't do x, y or z. It is crap. Comcast, Century link and others are just too cheap to upgrade any equipment and they will do and say anything, lie cheat and steal before they are forced too.
    5) Allow community/towns themselves to setup gigabit/internet offering. I have a town near me that is rolling it out and prices are cheap and get gig speeds. Yet I am just literally 5 miles south and I pay double the price for a fraction of that gig speed. If the town can do it at a good price point then there is no excuse.

    1. Re:Three things by AaronW · · Score: 1

      <sarcasm> But towns aren't private companies and hence are bad. That's why states are banning the practice. How dare people get cheap good reliable Internet service! Their big political contributors deserve a big chunk of the pie!</sarcasm>

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  8. They can start with Seattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No American should have to chose between 128K ISDN and their EpiPen(tm).

    1. Re: They can start with Seattle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Back in my day, an ISDN was smoking fast. Get off my lawn.

  9. Still better by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Informative

    So, it will be available in more areas, at greater costs and in more limited uses.

    First, I reject the assumption it will cost a lot more.

    Secondly, so what if it does cost more? Is it still not better to have the AVAILABILITY of real high speed internet be much more widespread? My mother lives in a rural area, and on average from her DSL line she was getting 128kb/s. No I am not joking. Do you know how much of the modern internet is really usable at those speeds? Not much, and Netflix was a pretty low quality affair.

    Recently T-Mobile expanded cell service enough in the area that I was able to get her a wireless hotspot. Now she has about 8MB/s down, and everything is useable... she has more of a cap than before but then again she probably couldn't have downloaded even a GB in the course of a month before had she tried.

      Making something available is a huge boon. Even if it is expensive that simply means you can subsidize the payments for those that could not afford it otherwise - either the government or private groups. But there's no reason to believe once something is available and widely used that prices will not come down.

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    1. Re:Still better by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

      Even if it is expensive that simply means you can subsidize the payments for those that could not afford it otherwise

      Yeah, I bet the Trump administration will make that a priority.

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    2. Re:Still better by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given how much support he got from poor rural voters? I think you're missing the mark here.

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    3. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      This is just more bullshit doublespeak.

      This is the same guy who just a few days ago said eliminating regulations like net neutrality will result in more jobs, more innovation and a free pony for everyone.

      It's the same bullshit that has been coming out of Republicans for the last 30 years. Allowing companies unlimited price gouging is good for consumers. Eliminating jobs creates jobs. Cutting wages increases wages.

    4. Re:Still better by AaronW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given that we pay the among the highest broadband prices in the world yet are well behind many other countries I think we pay more than enough. We're getting gouged by the likes of Comcast. Also, there's the fact that in many places in the country they make it difficult or impossible for things like municipal broadband which typically has lower prices and better service. Given the fact that he's from the telecom industry, I expect things to get worse, not better, for rural America since it's not in the best interest of the telecom businesses to serve them given the higher costs involved. He's already come out against things like net neutrality.

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    5. Re: Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when you switched your mother from 128kbps DSL to 128kbps throttled T-Mobile mobile broadband, how much did the latency increase? I just ran a ping test and I'm seeing 41ms average on Sprint DSL and 162ms average on T-Mobile broadband.

    6. Re:Still better by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure netflix won't work at all at ISDN speeds.
      For the verizon unlimited lines I use for Internet at home I've been paying $170/mo no one will provide wired service to my address for less than a few grand for something like a T2 or better.

      Back during the broadband recovery act they were subsidizing 1.5mbps satellite connections.

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    7. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just more bullshit doublespeak... and a free pony for everyone.

      I must have missed that part when I heard him speak.. Besides, the free donkeys are from the OTHER side usually...

    8. Re: Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Going to go off on a hunch here, but I'm guessing his mother isn't playing fast paced FPS games and doesn't really give a damn about latency.

    9. Re:Still better by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure netflix won't work at all at ISDN speeds.

      It does, just not well. And you need an older client - my mom was getting essentially ISDN speeds out of a DSL line, the only Netflix client I could find that would work (though it did work) was the first gen AppleTV.

      For the verizon unlimited lines I use for Internet at home I've been paying $170/mo

      You should look into T-Mobile, they could probably provide you a lower cost. They have been really good about expanding services and so these days they have decent services in remote areas they used to not reach.

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    10. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Remember, Comcast owns NBC, who is no friend of Trump (the witch-hunt goes both ways). I would not be surprised if he actively works to force competition on Comcast to break their monopoly (on customers, not to mention information control) in the next 4 years.

    11. Re:Still better by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      It's a free unicorn. Ponies cost more.

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    12. Re:Still better by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      PCS Metro is T-Mobile and less expensive for the same bandwidth.

      I've been on it for five months now and no problems.

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    13. Re:Still better by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      Given the fact that he's from the telecom industry [...]

      Don't forget that the last FCC chairman was from the telecom industry too. We all thought he was in their pocket, but he turned out to be pretty decent in the end, responding to public outcry over some of his policies that would have hobbled net neutrality by backing away from them and, eventually, even helping to push through a number of initiatives that strengthened net neutrality. I have to admit, I pegged Wheeler wrong.

      Which isn't to say that I expect the same of Pai, given that he routinely voted contrary to Wheeler, but one can hope. After all, it's easy to earn political capital by voting along a party line you disagree with when you already know your party's side is going to lose, but it's a lot harder to keep voting that way when your vote will make all the difference. Now that he's in charge, it's possible he may vote quite differently.

      Only time will tell.

    14. Re: Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Missed the subtle hint there that the speed is the same after throttling? Sure it's nice to have a higher peak download rate but once you hit that data cap you're stuck with a connection that's just as slow as before except it's even worse because higher latency increases your time-to-first-byte when loading web pages.

    15. Re:Still better by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      I have to admit, I pegged Wheeler wrong.

      me too. An interesting read was Wheeler talked about when cable tv started, there was a huge outcry and pushback from legacy OTA broadcasters. Wheeler said at the time OTA broadcasters limited new providers and and CATV will provide opportunities for new "channels." He then implied nowadays cable companies are limiting new providers and opportunities. Wheeler presented this better than what I wrote here but hope I got my point across.

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    16. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be guess since the 'subsidies' can go straight to the carrier.....

    17. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > 128kb/s. No I am not joking. Do you know how much of the modern internet is really usable at those speeds? Not much

      Oh please. I have 160 kbps at home, and other than sometimes having to reload a page a few times so content is cached, it isn't a problem. I can load this site(obviously), Facebook, LinkedIn, stackoverflow.com, etc. just fine. Proof:

      http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/4300387192

      Living in Seattle sucks unless you can afford to live in one of the few buildings that Wave has fiber to.

    18. Re:Still better by lgw · · Score: 1

      Does T-Mo offer an actual unlimited plan? A reasonable pay-per-GB plan? Sounds very useful. Not believing getting a T-Mo signal out in the boonies, but that's a different issue.

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    19. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given his support for other government subsidies? No, he didn't miss the mark here.

    20. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So, it will be available in more areas, at greater costs and in more limited uses.

      First, I reject the assumption it will cost a lot more.

      Secondly, so what if it does cost more? Is it still not better to have the AVAILABILITY of real high speed internet be much more widespread? My mother lives in a rural area, and on average from her DSL line she was getting 128kb/s. No I am not joking. Do you know how much of the modern internet is really usable at those speeds? Not much, and Netflix was a pretty low quality affair.

      Recently T-Mobile expanded cell service enough in the area that I was able to get her a wireless hotspot. Now she has about 8MB/s down, and everything is useable... she has more of a cap than before but then again she probably couldn't have downloaded even a GB in the course of a month before had she tried.

        Making something available is a huge boon. Even if it is expensive that simply means you can subsidize the payments for those that could not afford it otherwise - either the government or private groups. But there's no reason to believe once something is available and widely used that prices will not come down.

      I'm a developer and an entrepreneur living on some land just south of DFW. I have two wireless ISPs set for failover. I pay $90-ish for 15mb/s (+ static IP) from one (and RARELY get 5 or 6mb/s), and another $90-ish for 8mb/s from another. So I'm paying $180/month for absolute shit Net and having to pay for 2 connections just for some semblance of stability. With 2 kids and Netflix (and a developer/console gamer in myself) I burn through 500GB-1TB a month without too much effort.

      So you are correct, the availability itself would be AMAZING and the cost would, for me anyway, be MUCH cheaper and the service likely more reliable. A lot of people out here also do satellite which is just . . .ugh.

    21. Re:Still better by Yunzil · · Score: 1

      Secondly, so what if it does cost more? Is it still not better to have the AVAILABILITY of real high speed internet be much more widespread?

      Listen to yourself. "Who cares if nobody can afford it? As long as it's theoretically available!"

    22. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      T-Mobile offers unlimited uncapped data, with a catch:the unlimited data must be music, or at least look like music. (Building a VPN to make unlimited data look like music is left as an exercise for the reader.)

    23. Re:Still better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      First, I reject the assumption it will cost a lot more.

      Comcast, meet SuperKendall. Your innocence is charming, but your alternative truth isn't.

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    24. Re:Still better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Informative

      Given how much support he got from poor rural voters? I think you're missing the mark here.

      They get to keep their guns, but they won't be too happy about their Medicaid and food stamps demise though.

      Poor rural voters have voted Republican ever since the Dixicrats abandoned the Democrat party. Means nothing to the man of gold.

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    25. Re:Still better by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      The phone plans are unlimited so you could simply buy a phone to tether everything from.

      In my case I needed to buy a mobile hotspot for its stronger reception in a more remote area (and I figured it would also be more stable over time), in that case I pay $50 for 10GB/month, and 18GB/month is $80 (for LTE data).

      You can also get additional data passes at $10/1GB to be used in seven days, or $30 for 3GB to use over 30 days.

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    26. Re:Still better by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      He got better support than previous Republicans did though. Particularly in small towns formerly built around industry (i.e., the Rust Belt). Do poor rural voters use much in the way of food stamps?

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    27. Re:Still better by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      Even if it is expensive that simply means you can subsidize the payments for those that could not afford it otherwise

      Yea so why the fuck would I want to do that? I don't want to pay for someone else's' internet too. Fuck that. Fuck Trump. Fuck his appointees.

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    28. Re:Still better by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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    29. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Poor rural voters have voted Republican ever since the Dixicrats abandoned the Democrat party. Means nothing to the man of gold.

      "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
      — Lyndon B. Johnson

      That line is as true today as it was then.

    30. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He actually did not do all that great in those kinds of towns. Well the ones with first and 2nd generation immigrants he did worse among the white voters, the racially pure towns he did pretty good in.

      But yes, rural poverty is actually the most common form of poverty in the US. There are more rural white people on food stamps and welfare than there are black people. They rationalize it by believing they "deserve" welfare while non-whites don't deserve it because reasons. But when the programs get cut, they get cut across the board. So they just played themselves.

    31. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Support for Trump, spite for Her, funny how they are treated as exactly the same thing.

    32. Re:Still better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      He got better support than previous Republicans did though. Particularly in small towns formerly built around industry (i.e., the Rust Belt). Do poor rural voters use much in the way of food stamps?

      Quite a few do. The issue with many rural places is that there aren't that many jobs. Which is a damn pity. But many of the people there do not want to move to places where jobs are, and being a mountain man doesn't work that well for any but the talented. As well, there can be issues of training and ability. Many of these folk might have been working at a factory at one time, making a living at a semi-skilled position. But the Factory moved offshore, and if they are going to get a job now, it might involve traveling 50 miles each way. And it might be a job at say McDonald's or Walmart, where even if you have a job, you are often still eligible for social programs like food Stamps and Day care. Totally and senselessly fucked up.

      One of the things that is so amusing in today's age is that People tend to characterize anyone that disagrees with them as the farther fringe group they can come up with. That's why I can make a statement, and some will connect me with Feminist SJW's, and others with White Robed KKK members. It's not like there isn't any middle ground. We're just manipulated into acting that way.

      I actually agree with many of the complaints about how things are fucked up that the Trumpists make. Things like the Wall, putting all the coal miners back to work are silly stupid, but people do need to have gainful employment, or at least some way to eat, sleep and some pursuit of happiness.

      What was the whack-a-doodle thing was electing a person who is the poster child for how badly fucked up things are, based onnothing more than him saying what they want to hear. Simultaneously disbelieving everyone else.

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    33. Re:Still better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      There are more rural white people on food stamps and welfare than there are black people. They rationalize it by believing they "deserve" welfare while non-whites don't deserve it because reasons. But when the programs get cut, they get cut across the board. So they just played themselves.

      And many of them will tell you to your face that they never got a penny from the government. They ar enot going to like the next 4 years very much. But at this moment, it's going to be really difficult to blame those fukin leeburls.

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    34. Re:Still better by ZenShadow · · Score: 1

      I so love listening to people complaining that 5 or 6 megabits is "absolute shit net."

      When I was your age, I had a /24 (we called it a "class C" back then...) routed over a 28.8k modem. And I liked it!

      Of course, I have gigabit now, so I guess I should probably stfu. :)

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    35. Re:Still better by dywolf · · Score: 1

      As if Trump cares.

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    36. Re:Still better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

      "If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." — Lyndon B. Johnson

      That line is as true today as it was then.

      Yes, it is. The politics of hate that have been stoked, seldom have a happy ending. Then again, Germany and Japan had a few rough years back in the 1940's, and they are pretty nice places today.

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    37. Re:Still better by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      He cares about power. He wants to retain power, so he'll do what he can to make his base happy so he has a shot in four years.

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    38. Re:Still better by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      What's making is cost more are monopolies. If only one provider is allowed to service an area, they can set their prices, and people have to pay. It's a little better, but not much different if there are two or three providers and they collude among themselves. In such cases, subsidies will only channel money from the government to corporations. In order to really lower costs, all that's needed is allowing competition.

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    39. Re:Still better by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1
      Huh, I assumed there would be some sort of barrier to getting/using food stamps in rural areas - too far to go, small town pride, etc. but I suppose if everyone else is in the same boat...

      I think it's less that they don't want to move where jobs are (partly that though, yes) and more that they don't have the skills for those jobs and don't have the accumulated capital to move. Moving is expensive, especially if you're moving to a place like a city where the cost of living is substantially higher.

      One of the things that is so amusing in today's age is that People tend to characterize anyone that disagrees with them as the farther fringe group they can come up with.

      I've noticed this as well; few people have time for nuance any more. You're either a Muslim communist SJW or you're literally Hitler. It's ridiculous.

      Yeah, Trump's quieter (saner) base has a lot of valid complaints; I just don't think he's going to be able to address them, especially not with - as you said - silly stupid things. Hillary could really have gotten farther if she'd done like Obama did and at least gave them some attention.

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    40. Re:Still better by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Well, voting for him is at least some measure of support, even if it was to spite her.

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    41. Re:Still better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I think it's less that they don't want to move where jobs are (partly that though, yes) and more that they don't have the skills for those jobs and don't have the accumulated capital to move. Moving is expensive, especially if you're moving to a place like a city where the cost of living is substantially higher.

      I should have included that. There is not a huge point in uprooting yourself and family to move to another town where you wil be competing for a minimum wage job. And while some of these places make a big deal out of it when they hire an older person, like WalMart putting greeters out front, we have to face it, they are window dressing, not trend. If you are in your 50's, and your job is sent off to China or Mexico, you're probably never going to work again.

      As well, what are we going to do with these folks? Some of the ramifications are seriously unpleasant. A depop movement?

      Because somewhere along the line in the US, pecuniary accumulation became the only objective. Civic responsibility does not even register. I can imagine modern day corporatist Americans screaming in rage when Ebenezer scrooge has his epiphany in "A Christmas Carol".

      When in fact, a company with a longer range outlook might realize that people need to be working and making money in order to buy the stuff the company produces.

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    42. Re:Still better by lgw · · Score: 1

      In my experience, T-Mo gets upset at tethering, and starts blocking various web sites and whatnot. Also, do any modern Android phones provide it? Oh, why am I asking you, you undoubtedly have an iPhone.

      $10/GB isn't very useful for streaming video, I think. I'm really starting to miss my old phone with both tethering and an HDMI port.

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    43. Re:Still better by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Yeah, there's no easy solution that I can see. Civic responsibility would help, sure, but ideally we'd be getting them back to work in some capacity, since that's better for them and better for us. Internet expansion might help a bit too; it'll at least make it easier for them to connect and learn new skills, potentially including some way to work from home. Of course, learning new skills isn't trivial, especially for older people (and through the internet at that) but I can't think of much else. More infrastructure spending would help some too, but that's not a permanent solution either.

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    44. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      rural poverty is actually the most common form of poverty in the US. There are more rural white people on food stamps and welfare than there are black people.

      Can you provide a cite for this? It sounds like one of those statements that, in a vacuum, may be technically true, but doesn't account for obviously relevant factors (lies/damn lies/statistics). I mean, "most common" according to what metric?

    45. Re:Still better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're probably different people. Jim-bob McWelder likely isn't lying when he says he doesn't get any direct government subsidies. But all of his ex-girlfriend-now-single-mothers are helping themselves to it. And that guy that Jim-bob clocked in the head with a whiskey bottle during a drunken brawl, now has brain damage and is supported by the state.

    46. Re:Still better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1
      When someone used most of their mod points to go through and mod me sdown, it is a validation of two things 1, is that the tool cannot stand an opinion other than his own, and is trying to self validate in reverse.

      The other is that it is a backhand way of acknowledgement that I am right. Thank you troll moderator, good work!

      Get m down to -1 and quickly! You'll feel much better.

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    47. Re:Still better by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      And poor rural areas still disfavor government subsidies that funnel money from the rich urban states to them. Speaking as a liberal, I think that helping the less fortunate is an excellent use of my tax dollars, so it doesn't bother me.

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    48. Re:Still better by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      A certain relative of mine has a seriously autistic son, and my relative was aggressive in seeking help. She had a full-time aide assigned to her son for much of his school career. Then, as part of a discussion, we mentioned that she was a heavy user of government services. We did eventually manage to convince her, but it wasn't easy.

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    49. Re:Still better by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm reminded of another guy who had a lot of valid complaints about the existing social and economic systems. Marx's ideas on how to address the problems were simply unworkable by human societies, and the attempts to implement them caused a great deal of suffering, but he was reporting legitimate complaints.

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    50. Re:Still better by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      A certain relative of mine has a seriously autistic son, and my relative was aggressive in seeking help. She had a full-time aide assigned to her son for much of his school career. Then, as part of a discussion, we mentioned that she was a heavy user of government services. We did eventually manage to convince her, but it wasn't easy.

      Although I fear that some people will suffer, I in small small part of myself believe that the Government will take the stick of Moloch to people who think that it is only the typical hate targets who are sucking at the government teat. I also want emergency rooms shut off from people who do not have insurance. If you cannot afford it, you do not get it.

      It's time for Americans to be shown just how delusional they are. My own little anecdote in this is a fellow- a real rabid right winger, a birther and all the kooky stuff - in a breakfast group I used to go to one day said "We have to get NOAA out of the weather business. They can get their weather information like the rest of us do - from The Weather Channel!" I started laughing, thinking he was making a joke. Then I figuerd out that he was serious.

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    51. Re:Still better by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      So we agree - Marx and Trump see real complaints, and have silly stupid ideas on how to address them. Although, I have to say, Trump seems to understand capitalism better than Marx ever did.

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  10. MTM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To roar no moar.

  11. With one exception by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    I preferred Obama, who just talked about stuff like this and didn't do anything. That was much better than having greedy evil companies providing services to the less privileged.

    Well... Obamacare / Insurance Companies. Just sayin'

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    1. Re:With one exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, "Obamacare / Insurance Companies" is a better situation than "Uncovered / Dead in the street and ER room" for just about everyone. Just sayin'

      The ACA was a compromise with the GOP, remember. It wasn't Obama's idea either really, but he did champion it to some limited success.

      Unless keeping people alive isn't what you'd consider a "success" in this case. Just sayin'

    2. Re:With one exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You say that like there is something wrong with it.

    3. Re:With one exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Except that's not what happened. No lives were saved. Nobody is better off.

      People are currently forced to buy insurance, or else pay a penalty to the IRS on their taxes. But people can't afford the monthly premiums and even if they somehow come up with enough money to pay the premiums, the deductible is so high that they end up having to pay for everything themselves anyway. Because of the additional burden of paying hundreds of dollars a month for insurance, that they can't use, they are actually worse off than they were when they had no insurance. At least no insurance was free.

    4. Re:With one exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A compromise with the GOP? The hell it was. Not even ONE member of the GOP in the House or Senate voted for this, not even one. This whole thing was 100% the Democrats doing. Republicans wanted NOTHING to do with this.

      Remember the "You are going to have to pass it to find out what's in it" thing from Ole Nancy P at the time? Why did she say that? Because the Republicans where just a few hours away from being able to actually having enough votes to stop the ACA with the election of a republican in the Special election for Ted Kennedy's Senate seat who was to be sworn in. There was not even time to READ the bill before everybody had to vote. Democrats had to pass this sight unseen, which is what their leaders asked and what they did. Many are no longer in office because of this. I consider the ACA to be the start of the long decline of democrats power who have been losing more and more power as they tried to cling to this ACA mess... Obama killed your party, it's power, it's credibility with all this mess and until you realize it, you will be the opposing party, the party of "no" and nothing else.

    5. Re:With one exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't say nobody is better off, but I would agree that most people (especially in some states) are not. Some people got insurance cheaper with ACA than before due to pre-existing conditions forcing them to buy really expensive insurance, my dad being one.

      Forcing everyone to buy insurance under ACA was a compromise. You can blame the insurance industry for lobbying congress to get that in there.

    6. Re:With one exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A compromise with the GOP? The hell it was. Not even ONE member of the GOP in the House or Senate voted for this, not even one. This whole thing was 100% the Democrats doing. Republicans wanted NOTHING to do with this.

      Except for the amendments they approved.

      But hey, you know what? They had 6 years to do anything else. But all they did was scream repeal, but then what?

      Remember the "You are going to have to pass it to find out what's in it" thing from Ole Nancy P at the time? Why did she say that?

      Yeah, we remember the narrative, as what she was actually saying was that the GOP was lying so much about it, that the average person had no idea what was in it. Some people still confuse the ACA and Obamacare as if they were separate things.

      Because the Republicans where just a few hours away from being able to actually having enough votes to stop the ACA with the election of a republican in the Special election for Ted Kennedy's Senate seat who was to be sworn in. There was not even time to READ the bill before everybody had to vote.

      March 10was the speech, months after th Senate had passed their bill, leaving the House to confirm it in two weeks.

      Democrats had to pass this sight unseen, which is what their leaders asked and what they did.

      Nope. There was plenty of scrutiny and debate.

      Many are no longer in office because of this.

      Nope. Try gerrymandering.

      I consider the ACA to be the start of the long decline of democrats power who have been losing more and more power as they tried to cling to this ACA mess... Obama killed your party, it's power, it's credibility with all this mess and until you realize it, you will be the opposing party, the party of "no" and nothing else.

      Well, that's what worked for the GOP, isn't it? Except you know, losing the popular vote.

      Ouchies. Three Presidential losses of the popular vote in a row, and not too well in 2010, guess you ought to reconsider which party is dying.

    7. Re:With one exception by gtall · · Score: 1

      Yeah, the fact that it was modeled on RomneyCare in Mass. and included all the whizzies that Republicans get excited about, does not absolve Obama from the blame of caving into those lunatics.

    8. Re:With one exception by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      A compromise with the GOP? That's why a grand total of ZERO Republicans voted in favor, and there were no votes from Democrats as well? Just to refresh your memory, here's the vote tally in the house and here's the tally from the Senate.

      Yeah, looks like quite the compromise, as it had all of a 1 vote margin of victory in the House, and exactly the votes needed in the senate to end debate. Just so you know, the hallmark of a compromise bill, is that both parties have at least one person vote for it.

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    9. Re:With one exception by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Don't forget that people that had insurance already might actually be worse off - anyone with a Health Savings Account used to be able to buy over-the-counter medications with those pre-tax dollars. That went away with the "Affordable" Care Act.

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    10. Re:With one exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, keep trotting out "the popular vote" - quoting statistics and metrics that mean fuck all in order to prop up your argument doesn't actually prop up your argument.

      Just like it was after the ratification of the 12th amendment in 1804, running up the score in a few states where you are really popular doesn't win you the White House. Those are the rules, and they've been the rules for over 200 years. Maybe instead of being so angry at the party who won, you should be a bit more angry at the campaign that thought they were smarter than everybody else, and smarter than the 200+ year old rules, which are taught to 6th graders in social studies.

    11. Re:With one exception by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      You do know that because it was deemed good for a single commonwealth, that doesn't mean that it's good for the other 49 states, right? Well, 48 and one more commonwealth (Kentucky).

      I'm not saying there wasn't good stuff in the law - the ban on pre-existing conditions and the extension of dependent insurance is awesome. I just don't understand why those couldn't have been passed as simple laws without all the other shit that nobody likes.

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    12. Re:With one exception by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are four commonwealths in the USA: Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Kentucky.

    13. Re:With one exception by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying there wasn't good stuff in the law - the ban on pre-existing conditions and the extension of dependent insurance is awesome. I just don't understand why those couldn't have been passed as simple laws without all the other shit that nobody likes.

      The ban on discrimination against pre-existing conditions is arguably the worst part of the law, and definitely the part that necessitated all the parts no one likes. You can't require insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions without forcing everyone to buy insurance unless your intention is to bankrupt the entire insurance industry. Given the choice to delay buying insurance, if the agency must cover pre-existing conditions then the sane thing to do is to wait until you actually have a medical expense, and only then buy the insurance. Of course, at that point it isn't really "insurance" at all, because the "risk" is 100%, but the company is required to offer you coverage with the same premiums as if the risk were not already realized, which is a great deal for you.

      Insurance is about mitigating unrealized future risks. Pre-existing conditions don't have any place here. If you have a pre-existing condition you can't pay for yourself, what you need is not insurance, but charity. Insurance companies make poor charitable organizations.

      The flip side of this is that an insurance policy should cover the full lifetime cost of anything discovered while the policy was in effect—even if you later drop your coverage or switch to another insurance provider. The primary drive for coverage of P.E.C.s stems from the fact that current insurance policies cease to pay out the moment you are no longer a customer; the P.E.C. coverage mandate unreasonably shifts the burden from the insurer that voluntarily chose to take on the risk on equitable terms in exchange for a premium to a separate victim agency which knows up front that the premiums you will pay will never cover the expected cost of your treatment.

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    14. Re:With one exception by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yes there are. Thanks for reminding me. =)

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    15. Re:With one exception by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      As profitable as these insurance companies are, I have a feeling they would be just fine with a simple law that says "pre-existing conditions are not allowed as reasons for denying health insurance coverage." They'll bitch about it, but they'll cope with it and survive. Strangely, any time a new regulation has been handed down by government, the regulated industry pitches a fit about it, and then finds a way to get by under the new regulations. And they usually do better.

      UHC announced record breaking profits at the same time as saying that the "affordable" care act reduced their earnings by $850M. Aetna also set record profits in 2015, before similarly hiking premiums. Yeah, I'm sure they'll all be bankrupt any time now. They're doing okay, where the rest of us are discovering the length, width, and breadth of the shaft.

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    16. Re:With one exception by JesseMcDonald · · Score: 1

      As profitable as these insurance companies are, I have a feeling they would be just fine with a simple law that says "pre-existing conditions are not allowed as reasons for denying health insurance coverage." They'll bitch about it, but they'll cope with it and survive.

      It's a bit hard to survive as a company when every single customer you have costs you more in covered medical expenses than they pay in premiums. That is the result you can expect from requiring insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions without also requiring individuals to carry insurance.

      This is an entirely different class of threat from the other regulations you referred to, which still left room for incumbents in the regulated industries to earn a profit while raising barriers to entry and inhibiting competition.

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    17. Re:With one exception by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Since when does every single customer a health insurance company have cost more than they pay in premiums? Even before the Affordable Care Act, that wasn't even remotely true.

      Here's a hint: there's tens of millions of insured people through their employers that aren't sick all the fucking time, and are still paying premiums out of their paycheck withholdings.

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    18. Re:With one exception by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Yeah, a compromise with the GOP is pretty out of whack, the ACA was a compromise within the Democratic Party itself. The ACA would have been far more effective as a single-payer system, but conservative Democrats refused to go along with the Sanders/Warren wing.

    19. Re:With one exception by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      It is even harder to survive if you have a pre-existing condition and company will provide health insurance and you simply can not afford to pay for treatment at that time and the bank considers you to great a risk to lend money to you to pay for treatment to survive because you might die and not be able to pay it back, so you die. So basically it's the I'm alright jack, screw you solution, fine until you are the one caught and oh boy, I'll bet your tune would change super fast then.

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  12. Broadband and circuses. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let them eat data caps.

  13. Doesn't need to by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I bet the Trump administration will make that a priority.

    That's the thing. Just being able to get the service is enough. From there even if local or federal governments will not help subsidize network fees, private groups can and will.

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    1. Re: Doesn't need to by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have access to a Porsche dealership in my city. Yay access!

    2. Re:Doesn't need to by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I bet the Trump administration will make that a priority.

      That's the thing. Just being able to get the service is enough. From there even if local or federal governments will not help subsidize network fees, private groups can and will.

      Just like they have all along - right?. Why - especially after many states banning municipal broadband, have not the private suppliers with the freer market of no allowed interference solve this problem years ago? Wide open market, zero competition from the socialists, seems like we would be seeing the free market in action, with private entities producing better internet service to more people for less money than in the socialist states that allow the Guvmint to compete with them.

      Surely you have the cites that prove the extra free (I don't know what else to call it) market in action. Surely their internet service is faster, cheaper, and in more places.

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  14. Fictional inner voice by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Yes, we want to bring broadband to all Americans... so my ex-clients can gouge the shit out of them with rent-seeking behavior, unneeded service caps and fees, and charging content providers that aren't directly owned by the ISP access fees after we shitcan Net Neutrality!

    The announcement appears to be better than the current situation in every possible way.

    It is also better in the first week than the previous administration over 8 years, and better than the alternative [candidate] would have done. ...and yet lefties have to invent a fictional inner voice just so they can pour derision on the situation.

    Maybe we should keep a small segment of the Obama administration in charge of something just to let everyone know how "stay the course" would have worked.

    The lefties can't possibly take the announcement at face value, they would have to concede that the current administration is doing something right.

    1. Re:Fictional inner voice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The lefties can't possibly take the announcement at face value, they would have to concede that the current administration is doing something right.

      Exactly what kind of idiot, regardless of partisanship, takes ANY political announcement at face value?

      Frankly, even Ronald Reagan KNEW better, so the fact that you're trying to tell me not to look the horse in the mouth, makes me think you're up to some kind of shenanigans.

      Irony, captcha is insulted, so yes, I will tell you I find your insistence of not examining the proposal to be insulting.

    2. Re:Fictional inner voice by MachineShedFred · · Score: 2

      First, I'm not a "leftie" so suck it. You know nothing about me. I didn't vote for Hillary, and insinuating that you have to be all-in for one candidate or another is asinine.

      Second, when in history have telecommunications providers not abused their monopoly positions? When have these organizations not taken every single resource afforded to them and done the bare minimum with them? What about the $300B and counting that was charged as excise taxes under the Telecommunications Act of 1996, handed directly to the telcos in exchange for exactly what is being proposed now, which we already paid for and should have had 10 years ago? Without the FCC rules that say that ISPs must not block, throttle, or prioritize-by-pay any legal traffic, what is to prevent them from not only charging you for the bandwidth you are using, but also charging the content provider for those same bits that you already paid for? Gee, that's a nice video streaming service you've got there, it would be a shame if anything happened to it...

      Third, this particular subject, the new FCC Chairman, voted against those rules, at the time saying it was a non-issue. Even though in the run-up to creating these rules, the FCC had actual copies of Netflix's paid peering agreements with Verizon and Comcast, which amount to exactly what I said in the previous paragraph. Why would he keep in place rules that he doesn't think are needed, when this administration is constantly talking about rolling back regulations made by the previous one?

      So take this at face value: I'm allowed to disagree with individual actions of the administration, and agree with others (such as putting a stake through the heart of TPP). Just because I disagree with this one doesn't mean you get to paint me with some kind of 'leftie' brush, and it makes you look pretty god damn ignorant.

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    3. Re:Fictional inner voice by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      What about the $300B and counting that was charged as excise taxes under the Telecommunications Act of 1996, handed directly to the telcos in exchange for exactly what is being proposed now, which we already paid for and should have had 10 years ago?

      The $300B number is now urban legend, and the figure comes from Bruce Kushnick's books for New Networks. It was $200B when it was first published in 2006, that rose to $300B in 2009, and as of 2015 is $400B since the existing problems were never solved. So where did he get that initial $200B figure from? It's a combination of three sources.

      1) He starts with the premise that the Telecom companies should be regulated as utilities, and make regulated returns on investment. Well the telcos weren't regulated as utilities -- the entire purpose of the Telecommunications Act of 1996 was to deregulate the industry. So he computed $103B as "excess profits," which is only valid for utilities, not for private, for-profit corporations. Demand for the Internet exploded in the late 1990s, and that's where the "excess profits" came from. But the book also makes the claim that deregulation of the Internet and mobile spaces and their new popularity were unrelated, so

      2) $78B for "excessive depreciation," under the assumption that depreciation rates should have remained constant after divestiture. But that depreciation rates would remain the same for network equipment links before and after the Internet boom is nonsense. The book's premise was that if, say, an ISP because of rising demand depreciated a 64-port router and replaced it with a 128-port one, that's excess depreciation, unrelated to the increased demand.

      3) $25-50B of "cross-subsidization overcharing for long distance, DSL, and wireless." This is the point I'm not sure I understood, I'd have to read it again, so I'll let it stand for now.

      (credit goes to rayiner@ycombinator for many of these figures)

  15. Most imporantly... by Kevoco · · Score: 1

    What's he going to do about the lack of PokeStops in my neighborhood?

    1. Re:Most imporantly... by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      Those are hosted by providers. Rural folks don't get pokestops unless they buy a lot at the pokestore.

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  16. Great, but... by b0bby · · Score: 1

    I'm all in favor of this, since I think expanding access will help lots of people in poorly connected communities. What concerns me, though, is that Mr Pai is an opponent of Net Neutrality, the abolition of which would harm many people across the whole country.

  17. In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mbs by raymorris · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Pai was appointed to the commission by Obama in 2012, so we can answer that based on what he's supported and opposed over the last five years.

    In his dissents, Pai has repeatedly expressed his frustration with the commission setting minimums with no reference to changing technology and consumer expectations. He supports looking at the speeds actually ordered by consumers who *do* have the choice, and setting new rules based on that, rather than picking a number out of a bureaucrat's ass - and using completely different numbers from month to month.

    Available speeds have increased in the last couple of years, so by the chairman's preferred methodology standards should be higher now than in 2015, but in 2015 he said the commission's standard of 10 Mbps in rural areas was too slow, arguing that 25 Mbps would be better:
    https://apps.fcc.gov/edocs_pub...

    Before that, he reasoned that since Netflix customers stream at 3.2 Mbps on average, a true 10 Mbps connection would allow 3 concurrent streams - so here we see his idea of "broadband" gets faster over time.

    The new chairman argued strenuously that the FCC should not adopt regulations that discouraged gigabit - the rule enacted by the Democrat majority encouraged 10Mbps and 25Mbps connections in lieu of gigabit, he argued.

    He would in general rather promote competition and then gtf out of the way and let companies offer gigabit or whatever, rather than micro-managing, declaring that they must offer exactly this or that. In constrast, the rules enacted by his colleagues were much more along the lines of "Verizon must offer 10 Mbps DSL in these areas" kinds of rules. (Of course the rule is written as "an incumbent telco carrier operating blah blah blah", a description which describes only Verizon).

    Anyway, to answer your question, his position is that 10 Mbps was too slow in 2015, it should have been 25 Mbps back then, and it should get faster with time based on what consumers who have the choice actually select.

  18. Read between lines by Cyberax · · Score: 2

    So he'll be closing the divide. By slowing down Internet for ones who still have fast connections.

  19. How is that wrong? by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Insightful

    This is the same guy who just a few days ago said eliminating regulations like net neutrality will result in more jobs,

    Fewer regulations mean more freedom for companies to try different approaches to providing network services. That in turn, obviously means more jobs... and is better for consumers.

    Net Neutrality was always a smokescreen dedicated to keeping the Comcasts of the world in control of providing network services, With that death grip loosened prices will fall and consumers will benefit. Take a look in four years and see if the broadband situation in the U.S. has not improved.

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    1. Re:How is that wrong? by lactose99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If he also scraps the regulations that forbid communities from running their own co-op ISP I'll believe it.

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    2. Re:How is that wrong? by crashumbc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ---Fewer regulations mean more freedom for companies to try different approaches to providing network services. That in turn, obviously means more jobs... and is better for consumers.---

      You SERIOUSLY don't believe that? Not ONCE as that happened. Fewer regulations means static progression and price gouging.

      Net neutrality, is the ONLY thing that has stopped VZ and Comshit from completely shutting down your internet access EXCEPT to "their" sites.

      Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it-

      Read up on the railroad barons of the early 1900's, that exactly where the removal of "net neutrality" will get you.

    3. Re:How is that wrong? by fnj · · Score: 1

      If he also scraps the regulations that forbid communities from running their own co-op ISP I'll believe it.

      He doesn't have the POWER to "scrap" those "regulations", because they are laws enacted by individual states restricting those states' own municipalities.

    4. Re:How is that wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The drugs where you live must be amazing. Either that or you are an absolute moron. Comcast and Verizon have already been busted for throttling, that's what started this whole Net Neutrality thing. And you think that will benefit customers? So far, going with the latter assessment.

    5. Re:How is that wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.

      One thing that had me concerned was the mention of helping ISP's cover rural areas...do we really need to give huge corporations money to sell more services to more people? Allow local towns to run internet and watch the companies then try to lay down fiber quickly!

    6. Re:How is that wrong? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      If he also scraps the regulations that forbid communities from running their own co-op ISP I'll believe it.

      He doesn't have the POWER to "scrap" those "regulations", because they are laws enacted by individual states restricting those states' own municipalities.

      State's rights don't matter in alternate USA.

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    7. Re:How is that wrong? by dryeo · · Score: 2

      Besides the commerce clause that seems to give the federal government reason to do anything, there is also a clause relating to postal roads, which would be easy to stretch into meaning communication or email considering some of the other ways the courts have interpreted the Constitution.

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    8. Re: How is that wrong? by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 1

      You tend to forget one thing:

      While States can do as they please, if you don't play the game by Fed rules, then they don't have to give you Fed money.

      Which is cool as long as your State runs a budget surplus every year and doesn't need it.

      Since the majority do not, it's easy leverage to get the States to play ball.

      Watch how fast the States change their mind about sanctuary cities once their allowance is cut off.

    9. Re:How is that wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ---Fewer regulations mean more freedom for companies to try different approaches to providing network services.

      You mean different approaches to "creative" billing practices.

    10. Re:How is that wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The railroad baron's brought power to millions of people that would otherwise not have it.

      "Net neutrality, is the ONLY thing that has stopped VZ and Comshit from completely shutting down your internet access EXCEPT to "their" sites."

      That statement is truly ignorant. Over exaggeration much?

    11. Re:How is that wrong? by dywolf · · Score: 1

      Net Neutrality was always a smokescreen dedicated to keeping the Comcasts of the world in control of providing network services, With that death grip loosened prices will fall and consumers will benefit.Take a look in four years and see if the broadband situation in the U.S. has not improved.

      That is total bulls**t.

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    12. Re:How is that wrong? by crashumbc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Again look to history.

      No, the robber baron's did no such thing, they hindered and stifled competition every where they went. You want a new pick axe? Sorry the general store can't get any because the robber barron keeps "losing" his shipment. BUT you can but this pick axe from the Robber Barron's store for only FIVE TIMES the cost!!!
      (if you think they got that filthy rich through "competition" you're mistaken.)

      Read what Comshit did to Netfilx, and that's recent history...

      I'm not against free markets and capitalism, but they only work where true competition is available. That's not the case, with "utilities" where barrier to entry is astronomical.

    13. Re:How is that wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Fewer regulations mean more freedom for companies to try ...

      To see what they can get away with, that's what. If you see regulation as a speed-bump to relatively instant & unfettered progress because of its parental-like oversight... you may be right. It does slow down progress -> but that's because industry has again & again proven themselves to be abusers of the public.

      So sure, one out of ten of your hoped for 'different approaches' works. Now look backwards & see the charred path behind them & wonder how many people were duped or hurt. Regulation sandboxes their 'experiments' until it works well... then companies can release these gems upon the world.

      PS: it's not industry or companies in particular... ALL OF HUMANITY has enjoyed an un-monitored and overly-independent hand on others all throughout history. Having someone keep them accountable is a good thing. Progress will come just not tomorrow at the expense of today.

    14. Re:How is that wrong? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well your landing page would at least be your ISP's portal page. An unchangeable home-page. You know, so they can 'introduce you' to the internet of their choosing, (as well as drop a few cookies & beacons to follow you around).

      Look, when the media/ & temcom companies are billing EACH OTHER for carrying the others' content, then yes companies will soon 'turn off' access to anything but their own natively created ontent. Do you not remember why Netflix dropped so much of the other companies' cool stuff, and got into the game of self-publishing their own 'Netflix Originals' programming? Yeah because the other companies were charging them an arm and a leg. Do you see HBO stuff on Netflix or other streaming? Or do you see it only on HBO- etc. The idea is to get a captured audience- you should know that by now.

      Thanks to digital distribution instead of over the air style, media access CAN & WILL be tailored to the companies best interests, not yours. See Zuckerburg's attempt at 'free internet' in India. When that country finally understood it to be access to a walled garden of 'FB Approved & Partnered" websites only, do you think they did not catch what's going on? Do you?

  20. If you're going to deregulate, go all in by Sydin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If Pai is truly a believer in free market and competition, then don't stop at just knocking down net neutrality. Remove the regional monopolies that restrict where existing ISP's can and cannot do business. Remove roadblocks to cities building municipal fiber, since this only creates more competition so long as they're on a level playing field with private ISP's. Lift restrictions on last mile unbundling so that more companies can enter the market and offer competing services.

    The fact is net neutrality was such a necessity only because there are few players in the market and limited choice for consumers. Who cares if ISP's can create fast lanes and throttle non-partnered content if I have a list of 20 ISP's with broadband speeds to choose from, since there will always be those whose model is to offer a more open package, even if it is at a higher price. The ISP's are crying about regulation, but only when it's regulations on what they can do. Once you talk about remove regulations on what their competitors can do, suddenly these restrictions need to be upheld. Because if you gave the average Comcast customer the option to choose another ISP with better customer service, no data caps, and more transparent billing practices they'd take it in a heartbeat, even if meant an increase in monthly price.

    If Pai truly walks his talk and heavily deregulates the industry by removing barriers to entry and regional monopolies in addition to net neutrality, he'll be a far better FCC Commissioner than Wheeler ever was. If however he's yet another industry talking head who's only interested in removing consumer protections while still leaving in place industry friendly regulation, then nothing good will come from his chairmanship.

    1. Re:If you're going to deregulate, go all in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think, sadly, he's a talking head. What he is saying is breaking the rules of "too good to be true" and my bulls*** meter is picking up signals.

      Also, this feels way too much like a strategy to "open new markets" and "create new customers" than a genuine care about our horrible internet infrastructure.

      When people like my parents are given the same internet options as someone 3 miles down the road, I'll consider it a success. (my parents are stuck in the last mile hell on a private access road...no faster than 1.5mpbs ever from anyone. A less than 3 miles away they have access to 1GB connections...)

    2. Re:If you're going to deregulate, go all in by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pai is no Wheeler. Pai has continuously shown his complete and utter disregard for consumer rights and consumer protection. He is a free market thinker who believes in little to no regulation, and fuck the small companies who cannot compete with the giant incumbents.

    3. Re:If you're going to deregulate, go all in by trawg · · Score: 1

      I am an Australia so don't quite get how this works. But what power does the FCC have to enforce commercial restrictions at a state level?

      I understand states' rights are a Big Deal for Americans (I lived in Ohio for two years and learned that the USA is really more of a union of states, rather than one country - just like in the name!).

      I know the FCC has broad federal powers but does it have the power to step into a state and break up a state-or-city-based commercial broadband monopoly? If you're a big believer in the right of your state to make its own decision, presumably you'd object to the FCC coming in and doing this.

      But without it you're never going to get a fair playing field for broadband and - as I think we see already - consumers suffer while large corporations profit. How is that resolvable without granting the federal government more power over states? Or am I misunderstanding how the FCC can operate?

  21. Massive Giveaway to Telecoms by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...and there would be tax incentives and tax credits for companies building high-speed networks.

    Translation: "Let's give billions more taxpayer dollars to the worthless telecoms/cable companies."

    1. Re:Massive Giveaway to Telecoms by Dragonslicer · · Score: 4, Informative

      ...and there would be tax incentives and tax credits for companies building high-speed networks.

      Translation: "Let's give billions more taxpayer dollars to the worthless telecoms/cable companies."

      That was my initial reaction, too. This will probably turn into federal subsidies for telecom companies without any kind of requirement that the telecom companies actually do what the subsidies were supposed to pay for.

    2. Re:Massive Giveaway to Telecoms by radl33t · · Score: 1

      sweet, make it rain

    3. Re:Massive Giveaway to Telecoms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, you mean like they did in the 90s?

    4. Re:Massive Giveaway to Telecoms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They better make sure to put teeth in the deal this time. We paid those telecom jerks billions for broadband already but got screwed on that deal.

      Captcha: profits

    5. Re:Massive Giveaway to Telecoms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A company that pays less taxes isn't being given money by the government. They are just being relieved of an obligated amount that they would need to pay otherwise.

      I'm guessing you don't understand the nuances of taxes, this may stem from you being an unemployed NEET who lives with mummy and daddy.

    6. Re:Massive Giveaway to Telecoms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's even worse, last time they gave subsidies they came with requirements that were completely ignored. I guess we should just be honest about it this time.

  22. In other words, get rid of those pesky regulations by murdocj · · Score: 1

    So the big boys will be able to lock out competition and do whatever they want. Sweet.

  23. I like seeing good news on Slashdot. by generic_screenname · · Score: 1

    This will be a good thing. I like good things. More good things please.

  24. Oooookay? by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

    Isn't that what FCC has been *trying* to do, but has been blocked at every possible avenue, if not by corporations, then by congress, who have stated that FCC is exceeding it's authority?

    And hasn't Trump stated that he is uncategorically nixing Net Neutrality?

    Based on all the other actions that have occurred in just the last few days, I have serious doubts that what the US consumer gets will be in their best interests.

    1. Re:Oooookay? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Isn't that what FCC has been *trying* to do, but has been blocked at every possible avenue, if not by corporations, then by congress, who have stated that FCC is exceeding it's authority?

      Yeah, kinda like how Obama wanted to give us universal health insurance, but the Republicans in Congress wouldn't let him because it was "too Socalist", and the compromise was forcing everyone to become customers of for-profit insurance companies. But now Trump is in office and he's going to give health insurance for all.. And he can't do it by amending the ACA, because then the Republican's can't talk about how they repealed that miserable failure Obamacare and gave us this new insurance for everyone (that somehow isn't Socialist when they do it).

    2. Re:Oooookay? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Yeah, kinda like how Obama wanted to give us universal health insurance, but the Republicans in Congress wouldn't let him because it was "too Socalist", and the compromise was forcing everyone to become customers of for-profit insurance companies

      That was Democrats that forced that compromise, not Republicans. Not a single Republican voted for the ACA, no concessions were made to them.

  25. Municipal Broadband (was Re:Still better) by Marc_Hawke · · Score: 2

    That's what I noticed as conspicuously absent. Not only that he specifically mentioned paying the 'private sector' to do it.

    If he really cared about Americans, then it wouldn't matter who was building this out...just that it was getting built out. If the municipality can beat the private sector to market...then they win, and the 'Americans' win.

    People don't vote to fund 'public broadband' initiatives if they feel they are being fairly and adequately served by the private Telcos.

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  26. change internet connectivity to a utility by FudRucker · · Score: 2

    like Electricity, Gas or water, only with actual competition, no more being monopolized by the cable company and/or phone company then when city, county and/or state gov can sell fiber to the door at a nominal fee

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  27. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wow. I've got to say, this is the first time I'm actually impressed by a Trump appointment.

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  28. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    25Mbps sounds like a dream. I get 75K max on my rural connection

  29. Information Superhighway by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    The good news is that everyone will have access to broadband. The bad news is that the only content will be a single Twitter account.

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    1. Re:Information Superhighway by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Joking aside, having direct access to more voters will help Trump. His technique is to bypass the media and speak directly to people, kinda like the old fireside chats and TV addresses, but even more immediate and unfiltered.

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  30. I don't buy it by Chalnoth · · Score: 1

    The problem here is that the federal government just doesn't have much control over many of these regulation, as they are mostly down to state and local regulations. At the federal level, then, implementing these policies as Pai describes isn't just about removing regulations: it's about increased regulations of the states, something that Republicans have been historically against, and which may open the way for court challenges.

    I also worry that he explicitly mentions private industry, but doesn't appear to care about the deployment of public broadband (an effort which has begun in many communities, but is often stymied by state laws implemented as a result of telecom lobbying).

    My big worry here is that these claims are a smokescreen. He doesn't actually want to regulate states more strongly. He wants to remove federal regulations related to the Internet, such as the 2015 net neutrality rules. For some of the things that Pai has opposed, see here. If he follows previous patterns, his effort will decrease competition, increase prices, and not make the slightest dent in broadband speeds.

  31. Re:In other words, get rid of those pesky regulati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So the big boys will be able to lock out competition and do whatever they want. Sweet.

    What you describe is the current status quo, enabled by the current regulations.

    If nothing changes then nothing changes, but you want to keep the current regulations which enable the status quo and yet expect things will change?

    Excellent doublethink, citizen! Big Brother would be proud!

  32. Why only private sector? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " one of our core priorities going forward should be to close that divide"
    " to do what's necessary to help the private sector build networks"

    These seem contradictory.
    The private sector has been dragging their feet and risk of muni-broadband competition has been spurring them to action.
    If a community wants to put in their own network, why should it be limited by an entitlement for the private sector?

  33. Pai on muni broadband - follow the Constitution by raymorris · · Score: 1

    He was appointed to the commission by Obama in 2012, so we know what his positions on municipal broadband are. Basically, he thinks the FCC should get out of the way and let states and cities do muni broadband if they wish - Congress has made no law requiring states to deploy it, allow it, or disalow it. The FCC should enforce the law, not make the law, and there is no federal law on the subject pf muni broadband for the FCC to endorce.

    The Tennessee case is instructive. The state, under their Constitutional authority, empowered TVA to provide broadband *within their service area*. That's cool, he said. He made it a point to be clear that he neither opposed nor supported the project - Tennessee could have muni broadband if they want, up to them.

    The FCC, then controlled by Democrats, decided they were going to override the law passed by the (Democrat) legislature and say that TVA was to provide broadband service *outside* of their designated service area.

    Pai pointed to two issues -the courts had already ruled that the FCC doesn't have the power to override state law
      without a clear mandate from Congress to do so in the particular subject at issue. That is, FCC can't make law on it's own, Congress makes law and Congress had not authorized the FCC to do what they were doing.

    Secondly, the courts had also ruled that even if Congress did decide to override Tennessee law, there would have to be a careful Constitutional balance. The Constitutional grants a specific list of powers to the federal government, and reserves all other powers to the states. In fact, the Constitution repeats itself on that last point - all other powers are reserved to the states (including the power to deploy, fund, or regulate municipal broadband). Unless and until Congress passed on a law on the matter which courts could review for Constitutionality, the FCC had no legal power to interfere with municipal broadband either way.

    1. Re:Pai on muni broadband - follow the Constitution by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      The FCC, then controlled by Democrats, decided they were going to override the law passed by the (Democrat) legislature and say that TVA was to provide broadband service *outside* of their designated service area.

      TVA covers 99.7% of the state of Tennessee, by land area. Who, exactly are they not allowed to serve?

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  34. Everyone seems to be forgetting tiered internet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pay more for sites I already access as a consumer when rates are already raised on a yearly basis? And on top of data caps?

    http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2010-12-15-net_neutrality_loses_whatif.jpg

  35. Translated: by nobuddy · · Score: 2

    Translation: "We will be giving out another run of YUUUUGE chunks of money to telcos to roll out rural broadband, which they again will choose not to do. We will never demand our billions of dollars back for the service they contracted to do but refused to provide. Just like last time"

  36. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by gnunick · · Score: 3, Informative

    Right. Especially since he was originally an Obama appointee--which you'd expect would have gotten him fired, not promoted.

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  37. Trump drag's GOP into the future by radl33t · · Score: 1

    I have been looking forward to the intersection between populist appeal and progressive reform!! About time we get our sweet stuff instead of blowing it up in the desert! I am jazzed. Awesome!! Maybe for his next trick Trump will destroy the evil and much hated cartel of telecom companies!

  38. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Right. Especially since he was originally an Obama appointee--which you'd expect would have gotten him fired, not promoted.

    But how are we going to afford all this if we are going to borrow another $38 billion for a semi useless wall?
    link

    While he sounds to have a decent plan, actually getting it done is another thing, and just because he wasn't fired, doesn't mean that won't change. Also he is not a fan of net neutrality. link

    Maybe we will somehow get broadband, but have to pay $999999 a month if we want the non right wing wacko pack?

  39. Not his concern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is not especially concerned about his base any more. He's mostly concerned about what the majority in congress wants.

    Trump has been impeachable from day one, and he knows it. His VP is a Republican rubber stamper, and most of the Republicans in congress would rather have Pence as president than him. So Trump is busy proving how conservative he is, so as not to get impeached.

    If the majority of Republicans in congress want this, then he does.

    1. Re:Not his concern by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 2

      Given how well his actions recently have matched his promises (to a shocking degree, really), I disagree with that. Right now at least, he wants a second term. The GOP is still shaken up by how he beat all of their traditionally more appealing candidates (to their base, at least) and Congress, despite appearances, is somewhat divided. Pence appeals to the GOP base, but isn't attractive to most of the country, and almost certainly wouldn't win a second term if Trump is impeached. I think they'll wait until midterm elections at least, unless he does something obviously terrible - which could be tomorrow for all we know.

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    2. Re:Not his concern by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rule #1 of living under an autocrat: Believe him when he tells you what he will do.

      FWIW, I don't think he gives a damn about his base or congress. He's just going to do whatever pops in his head. He's been repeating his promises enough that they are firmly embedded in his head and everything else is placed there by Bannon who is the Trump-whisperer.

      Although he this morning he tweeted that the he was going to sic the FBI on a voter fraud investigation like a minute after the one of the hosts on a morning news show said it didn't make sense that he would complain and complain about voter fraud but not have the FBI bother to investigate. So apparently you can make him do stuff (or at least tweet stuff) if he watches you on TV.

    3. Re:Not his concern by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      It will be interesting to see if his populist plan pays off. Normally candidates are restrained by wanting to have enough support to actually implement their policies once elected. Trump is very much about tying to simply force others to do what he wants (force Mexico to pay for a wall, force the media to accept his alternate facts, force the Republicans to support his policies) and not at all afraid of burning bridges it seems (like banning immigration from mostly Muslim countries, when he needs their cooperation to deal with Islamic terrorism).

      Push back in inevitable, I think the question is how will he spin it to make himself look good.

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    4. Re:Not his concern by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      I agree; he's doing quite a bit that a reasonable POTUS would want cooperation and support for, but he doesn't necessarily have it. The GOP is going to push back against him on trade issues (and frankly, I agree with them - his trade policies, as outlined so far, are terrible). He's been good at spinning things so far - at least to keep his image with his supporters - so I'm not super hopeful his support will go away. I do think that people who were on the fence or just too apathetic will be moved against him, though.

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    5. Re:Not his concern by Anonymous+Cow+Ward · · Score: 1

      Oh, I believed he was going to try and do most of what he said he would, I'm just surprised he's doing it so quickly.

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  40. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    But how are we going to afford all this if we are going to borrow another $38 billion for a semi useless wall?

    Run the printing presses - DUH!

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  41. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    But how are we going to afford all this if we are going to borrow another $38 billion for a semi useless wall?

    Sorry to reply again, but anyone that thinks we can build an almost 2000 mile wall that extends into the ert so them imgrunts can't dig tunnels under it for 38 billion dollars is laughingly uneducated.

    We couldn't build it for that much if we used illegal immigrants to build it.

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  42. He was in their pockets by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Net Neutrality passed - but as worded benefitted the telecoms. That's all Network Neutrality ever was (the FCC version anyway) a giant bloated document meant to keep a stranglehold of power by the major players.

    Everything the FCC did under his reign benefitted incumbent ISP's greatly. Now that someone is coming in actually open to choice, you'll see lower prices and more choices of ISP (though that will take a few years to percolate through).

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  43. I don't care about fair by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I don't care about fair. It always ends up with everyone getting less than what they would get if they just went after the best they could get without regards to fairness.

  44. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But how are we going to afford all this if we are going to borrow another $38 billion for a semi useless wall?

    Sorry to reply again, but anyone that thinks we can build an almost 2000 mile wall that extends into the ert so them imgrunts can't dig tunnels under it for 38 billion dollars is laughingly uneducated.

    We couldn't build it for that much if we used illegal immigrants to build it.

    The link allowed you to select how deep you made the wall below ground. That being said, I agree that it is a waste of money, particularly if your trying to stop the drug trade. There is too much profit to be stopped by Trump's ego.

    All that being said, if Trump's American's want a wall, then Trump's American's should pay for it. I voted for the sane candidate. Let's see, assuming the cost is really 50Billion, or hell, let's make the math easy, assuming that it is 62 or so billion, so that every voter for Trump owes $1k. That sounds fair to me. Of course, in practice you'd have to divide it among the trump voters who actually pay taxes, so I'm guessing it would be closer to $2k, but who knows.

  45. Zero competition is socialism by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    zero competition from the socialists

    Or from capitalists. Or from anyone...

    That is not capitalism, and the companies that have unnatural monopolies grated by the state or feds have acted just as you would expect a lazy large company with competition eliminated by law to act. That is to say, not at all.

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    1. Re:Zero competition is socialism by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      That is exactly the problem with governments regulating something like this. Government makes it hard for anybody to open a business providing Internet. If there was no regulations I'm sure there would be a line of people wanting to get big company internet customers. Rural or urban. I personally feel the government should step away from the Internet with the exception of finding the cp and other heinous crime on it.

  46. Trumpski by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lulz. OK tell me how effective my broadband is going to be when you cut net neutrality rules and I can only watch the Trump facts report with any decent speed.

    1. Re:Trumpski by guruevi · · Score: 1

      Net neutrality rules are necessary because of the monopoly/duopoly status many ISP's enjoy due to regulation. If you can cut regulation and don't allow larger ISP's to interfere legally with others, there should be some competition not just from startup commercial ISP's (eg. Google) but also from municipal ISP's. In my area we have a small rollout from an ISP giving 100/20 and at one point Verizon FiOS promised to come by too, however legislation has hindered both of them.

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  47. Affordable Broadband Act by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's going to be approx. the same bullshit as Obamacare, except for broadband. I wonder what the IRS tax penalty is going to be for not having Internet access?

  48. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Notabadguy · · Score: 1

    Sorry, who the FUCK was the sane candidate? Because it wasn't Trump or Clinton.

  49. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

    The link allowed you to select how deep you made the wall below ground. That being said, I agree that it is a waste of money, particularly if your trying to stop the drug trade. There is too much profit to be stopped by Trump's ego.

    All that being said, if Trump's American's want a wall, then Trump's American's should pay for it.

    Maybe by using the coal mining money.

    This will probably work as well as the Berlin Wall which operated on the same ideology. And as likely as not will beet the same end.

    As well, this will probably work as well as the Maginot line, another fine wall time system. Walls just don't work that well.

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  50. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 0

    Sorry, who the FUCK was the sane candidate? Because it wasn't Trump or Clinton.

    We hear that a lot. Sanders was obviously the least dislikable. I watched him on a few talk shows, and he's a real charming guy. Probably would have made a great President. A little too socialist for my liking, but he understands how to make things work. But there was a choice, and it was pretty clear. A minority of the 49 percent of eligible voters that bothered to show up chose Trump, and he won by a weird quirk of our election system. I hope he gives us everything he promised, and that his party succeeds in averything they attempt to do. My biggest hope is that his supporters lose their Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Social Security. Fortunately I don't need any of those, so it is no skin off my nose. It's kind of funny, the old folk supporters of his who frequent the eatery I go to for breakfast were really loud and cheerful the day after the election. Now they are very quiet, very quiet indeed. Whispering and worried.

    But what we had was what we had. If you didn't vote for Clinton, or voted for anyone else, you got Trump. We get the leaders we deserve.

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  51. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much money do you think was spent on Saturday during the "catharic" march to nowhere? Trumps people don't look as bad after saturaday.

  52. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by guises · · Score: 2

    All FCC commissioners are presidential appointees, but only three of those are allowed to be from the president's party. You might think that the president would seek out sympathetic members of the opposing party, but since they're in a minority, and so don't have a lot of power, and since all of the commissioners need to be approved by the senate (and to maintain the appearance of bipartisanship), the two minority commissioners are typically opposition party mainliners.

    In other words, the fact that Obama appointed this guy means nothing. Also, all this nice talk about closing the "digital divide" is just a prelude to saying that regulations are what are really holding us back from a digital utopia and that gutting net neutrality is the only real answer. Ajit Pai has been consistently against net neutrality and against reclassifying ISPs as Title II Common Carriers.

  53. It will be a multiple Gbps broadband by dadman · · Score: 2

    Sir, we are glad to let you know from today on, the 10Mbps switch currently installed in your area which is also happily serving the other 20k people in your neighbourhood is finally connected to this amazing multi-Gbps broadband line your Government generously offered to eliminate digital divide. Enjoy your super high speed internet access!

  54. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    He would in general rather promote competition and then gtf out of the way and let companies offer gigabit or whatever

    The problem is that to promote competition, you have to do things like force networks to be opened up or make access to utility poles mandatory and cheap. In other words, heavy regulation.

    This is because broadband is something of a natural monopoly. It's very expensive to install infrastructure for the last mile, and many places don't want 5 different companies installing five different poles in the same location. There is very little incentive to offer new services in an area already served by someone else, with a few exceptions like Google Fibre where it's basically a way to promote other parts of the business.

    Perhaps publicly owned networks could help, but that's not normally considered "competition" as such, because being non-profit it's kinda hard for companies to compete with. It's more like "you have failed this city, so we are going to make your business redundant", which is fair enough but I doubt it's what he has in mind.

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  55. Nice buzzing by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

    "I believe one of our core priorities going forward should be to close that divide -- to do what's necessary to help the private sector build networks, send signals, and distribute information to American consumers, regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else. We must work to bring the benefits of the digital age to all Americans."

    And here I thought virtue signalling was a trademark of the regressive left. Pai certainly is slathering it rather heavy on both sides.

    I do wonder how exactly he intends to follow through on this.
    Will telcos now require that customers write their sexual preferences and religion on the registration form? How else can Pai be sure that no one is getting discriminated in throwing money at the local monopoly?

    1. Re:Nice buzzing by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      "I believe one of our core priorities going forward should be to close that divide -- to do what's necessary to help the private sector build networks, send signals, and distribute information to American consumers, regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else. We must work to bring the benefits of the digital age to all Americans."

      And here I thought virtue signalling was a trademark of the regressive left. Pai certainly is slathering it rather heavy on both sides.

      I do wonder how exactly he intends to follow through on this. Will telcos now require that customers write their sexual preferences and religion on the registration form? How else can Pai be sure that no one is getting discriminated in throwing money at the local monopoly?

      He threw all that shit in to make him look like some kind of nice equal-rights guy. Race, gender, religion, etc have nothing to do with broadband availability. The factors are solely affluence and population density.

  56. Can't please some people. by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

    Has anybody else noticed the same people complaining about the government collecting data on them want the government to setup broadband internet for them? I personally don't want the government to be able to siphon everything easier than they already can. But don't you think if they provide the service their not going to log all activity from day one?

    1. Re:Can't please some people. by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      I personally don't want the government to be able to siphon everything easier than they already can. But don't you think if they provide the service their not going to log all activity from day one?

      So let 'em. All they'll do is fill up hard drives with encrypted streams they can't read. So what? Even porn sites use https nowadays.

      Encryption: it's not just for banking anymore.

    2. Re:Can't please some people. by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      That's a good point but who's to say that they haven't cracked encryption or hacked the master keys that the signers use? Nobody knows for sure. I would rather they stayed away from it completely. There's better things they can spend my money on.. Like welfare reform, that would be nice.

  57. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by gtall · · Score: 1

    I take offense at you calling it a semi useless wall. It is totally useless, even as a monument to Trump's ego.

  58. Municipal fiber by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The fastest way to get broadband to everyone is municipal fiber...something the conservatives fight at every corner. Key is to get competition for for-profit companies. Right now, there is no incentive for them to expand the network, upgrade tech, or lower prices as most of them operate as quasi monopolies in their region and at best have only one competitor. In Europe we can get three times the bandwidth at a third of a cost with significantly lower latency. Also, connections are way more stable because infrastructure is not nailed to crooked poles like in the Edison days.

  59. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much money do you think was spent on Saturday during the "catharic" march to nowhere? Trumps people don't look as bad after saturaday.

    Are you really that big an imbecile? They were marching to draw attention to women's rights. It was also pointed out how much they for the most part hated Trump. They accomplished both goals. Also what does the women's march have to do with Trump's people looking better? Trump's people fell for and keep falling for Don the Con. The women and men were marching for an actual good cause.

    I wouldn't call the Women's March useless. It would have been worth more before the election, but certainly not useless. Now if only we can have a march like that every month...

  60. Subject by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to do what's necessary to help the private sector build networks, send signals, and distribute information to American consumers, regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else.

    About time. For decades, the homosexual broadband tier has lagged far behind the rest of the nation.

  61. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by dywolf · · Score: 1

    Don't be.
    He also opposes net neutrality.

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  62. Sorry, EPB territory defined by TVA by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I misspoke. TVA defined the service area of EPB. The state of Tennessee passed a law saying municipal power providers such as EPB could provide internet service within their service areas.

    The FCC purported to rewrite Tennessee law on the matter. Pai pointed put that the FCC has no lawful power to do so. The court agreed, the FCC has no such power.

  63. So are wireless phones and electricity, yet I have by raymorris · · Score: 1

    The same is true of wireless phones - it's redundant to have three or four companies put up towers covering the same area, but we do, and there's competion. Every year phone networks get faster and companies like Sprint, Cricket, T-Mobile, and Boost compete for business. Redundant towers is an inefficiency, but that's better than a monopoly.

    In many parts of Texas, including where I live, we have electric power providers to choose from, offering different plans. Some offer free nights and weekends, etc. In some areas of Texas, we have four or five internet service providers to choose from. Yes, there is some inefficiency, and there's competition.

    Actually there's redundancy and inefficiency to having more than one airline, more than one bank, etc, too, but that seems to have worked better than the government-controlled providers they tried in Cuba, the USSR, etc. Almost all the countries that tried that approach of government-controlled businesses rather than competition have given up on the idea, because it didn't work well.

  64. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They were marching to draw attention to women's rights

    What right do women not have? I sure as hell didn't see much about the rights of women in places like Saudi Arabia. What am I supposed to think needs to be done about the most privileged group of people on the planet when you say 'draw attention to women's rights'?

    I don't get it. I honestly don't. How many more entitlements do those women need to be happy?

    Now if only we can have a march like that every month...

    That's sexist. It is a natural biological process that should not be mocked. Period.

  65. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and follow the blood trail!

  66. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    Well, he already saved a billion on the Airforce One contract with Boeing and that was negotiating before he was even signed in.

    You are view Trump and money in terms of previews politicians and how they view money.

  67. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I would reply to this in the same way that Sam Kinison replied to hungry people in Africa:

    You know, we've been coming here giving you food for about 35 years now and we were driving through the desert, and we realized there wouldn't BE world hunger if you people would live where the FOOD IS! YOU LIVE IN A DESERT!! UNDERSTAND THAT? YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT!! NOTHING GROWS HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW HERE! Come here, you see this? This is sand. You know what it's gonna be 100 years from now? IT'S GONNA BE SAND!! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! We have deserts in America, we just don't live in them, assholes!

  68. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    Because net neutrality is great in theory but not so great in the way people want it implemented.

    For example - all the people going after T-Mobile for offering "binge" services. They didn't drop the amount of GB people could download but they made some deals with content providers to offset the cost for some services and are able to offer them to the end-user at now data charge. But this is a bad thing because net neutrality is such a broad idea that it destroys companies ability to make deals like this.

    It would be like fining Disney for licensing some shows to netflix but not amazon.

  69. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    t's very expensive to install infrastructure for the last mile, and many places don't want 5 different companies installing five different poles in the same location.

    And these would be places that are choosing to deal with one company.

  70. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm building this shitty wall to keep these shitty Mongolians out.

    Welcome to shitty wok, how many I help yew.

  71. Race, gender, religion, sexual orientation? by cyberchondriac · · Score: 2

    Odd wording. Broadband is not denied to people on those grounds, it's because they reside in an area where the infrastructure just isn't in place yet (generally for financial, ROI reasons - poor neighborhoods are poor). This reads like I've had broadband but my next door neighbor was denied it because she's a woman; or Brazilian, or gay, or Buddhist, or some combination thereof.

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  72. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Satellite is the answer folks...

  73. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by gnunick · · Score: 1

    Interesting. Thanks for clarifying that. Sigh--the world might be a much better place, if only the US were a multi-party democracy.

    And yes, I know that net neutrality's death warrant was signed when Sanders lost the democratic primary (and is likely never coming back).

    But the "digital divide" talk sounded surprisingly progressive for anyone coming from Big Telecom.

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  74. What they don't mention is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What they fail to mention here is this: There is no way the FCC can give any guarantees here. They can prevent a company from doing something. They can compel a company to do something in a specific way. But what they can't do is to force a privately held company to invest in something that the company cannot expect a reasonable profit from. The private sector is driven by profit and not FCC wishes. And those potential benefactors that are classified as belonging to the divide (in the case here are those in rural areas) will probably not benefit from this very much. Unless of course if our tax dollars are used to build the entire infrastructure, in which case, they would be hard pressed to turn down free money. And naturally, those who cannot afford the service ("regardless of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation, or anything else") will also be excluded from any benefit.

    So the TL;DR version is this, what Ajit Pai is really stating is this: "Nothing will really change except this: we will go ahead and do exactly what you prevented us doing in the past with SOPA and all that whole 'fast lane slow lane' stuff we tried to sell you, all while wrapping it up in another reasonably sounding sales pitch that we hope you will be quietly content with. Oh yea, and we will also be giving more money and tax breaks to the providers".

  75. It's interstate and foreign commerce by jjo · · Score: 1

    The federal government can control interstate and foreign commerce, and can supersede state and local laws to do so. This 'commerce clause' has been stretched to cover some pretty dubious cases, but if Internet access isn't legitimately a part of interstate and foreign commerce, I don't know what is.

  76. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Verdatum · · Score: 1
    That's not what T-Mobile's Binge-on (or Music Freedom) is/was about. It was about users being able to go into a mode indicating they wanted to receive compressed video at lower resolutions in exchange for not having it apply to their cap, (or in some cases, using their allotment less quickly). The "deals" made with content providers were contractual agreements, available to every content provider, even the tiniest of startups, at no cost. The agreement with the providers was either 1: do nothing, and if we notice you streaming HD video to a binge-on user, we'll try to compress/reduce it; but user still pays normal data rates. 2: work with us so we can know when data you serve up is streaming video, then we'll compress/reduce it when sending it to Binge-on users, and user gets free bandwidth. 3: Compress/reduce the video yourself, work with us so we can know when you're sending compressed video to binge-on users, and promise that you'll only send decent quality compressed video with binge-on users; and user gets free bandwidth 4: let us know you're opting out and that we shouldn't try to compress your data, regardless of the user requesting video being compressed by nature of being in binge-on mode.

    Arguably, there are problems with this offer, but it's far from the preferential-treatment anti-competitive deals that really get people up in arms about net-neutrality.

    Even if your description was accurate, your analogy is still inapt. The licensing agreements between content owners like Disney and content providers like Netflix are a completely different realm to the interactions between content providers and common-carriers. You can license your intellectual property pretty much however you like. A common-carrier must provide service without discrimination for "public convenience and necessity". And that concept goes all the way back to British Common Law.

  77. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    It was about users being able to go into a mode indicating they wanted to receive compressed video at lower resolutions in exchange for not having it apply to their cap, (or in some cases, using their allotment less quickly). The "deals" made with content providers were contractual agreements, available to every content provider, even the tiniest of startups, at no cost. The agreement with the providers was either 1: do nothing, and if we notice you streaming HD video to a binge-on user, we'll try to compress/reduce it; but user still pays normal data rates. 2: work with us so we can know when data you serve up is streaming video, then we'll compress/reduce it when sending it to Binge-on users, and user gets free bandwidth. 3: Compress/reduce the video yourself, work with us so we can know when you're sending compressed video to binge-on users, and promise that you'll only send decent quality compressed video with binge-on users; and user gets free bandwidth 4: let us know you're opting out and that we shouldn't try to compress your data, regardless of the user requesting video being compressed by nature of being in binge-on mode.

    You gave a much better description than I did

    Arguably, there are problems with this offer, but it's far from the preferential-treatment anti-competitive deals that really get people up in arms about net-neutrality.

    http://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/d...
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/to...
    http://www.geekwire.com/2016/s...

    I believe there is even a few Slashdot article about it as well.

  78. Re:In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25Mb by Verdatum · · Score: 1

    Sounds like we agree; badass. I didn't mean to imply that no one got upset about the thing, just that it's a more subtle net-neutrality violation.

  79. Re: In rural areas, wanted increase from 10 to 25M by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    So, over three million people, mostly anti-Trump, marching in what turned out to be very peaceful marches (the DC police did not make one arrest) makes Trump supporters look better? I'd think it would make anti-Trump women look better. Or are you of the opinion that any expression of peaceful strength by women makes Trump supporters look better? Personally, if you want Trump supporters to look better, I'd recommend Vaseline on the lens or possibly a quantity of ethanol.

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  80. Re:So are wireless phones and electricity, yet I h by suutar · · Score: 1

    Towers get shared a lot, no?

  81. Towers and telephone poles can be shared by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Indeed, several antennas can be mounted on one tower, and several lines can be mounted on one telephone pole.