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Personality Traits Are Linked To Differences In Brain Structure, Says Researchers (neurosciencenews.com)
New submitter baalcat quotes a report from Neuroscience News: Our personality may be shaped by how our brain works, but in fact the shape of our brain can itself provide surprising clues about how we behave -- and our risk of developing mental health disorders -- suggests a study published today. According to psychologists, the extraordinary variety of human personality can be broken down into the so-called 'Big Five' personality traits, namely neuroticism (how moody a person is), extraversion (how enthusiastic a person is), openness (how open-minded a person is), agreeableness (a measure of altruism), and conscientiousness (a measure of self-control). In a study published today in the journal Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience, an international team of researchers from the UK, US, and Italy have analyzed a brain imaging dataset from over 500 individuals that has been made publicly available by the Human Connectome Project, a major US initiative funded by the National Institutes of Health. In particular, the researchers looked at differences in the brain cortical anatomy (the structure of the outer layer of the brain) as indexed by three measures -- the thickness, area, and amount of folding in the cortex -- and how these measures related to the Big Five personality traits. The study has been published in the journal Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience.
And if it is the size of a pea are you pea brained (able to hold contradictory ideas at same time)?
So it would be nice if the summary linked to the actual study instead of the splash page for the journal. Some of the results wouldn't hurt either.
Neuroticism was associated with thicker cortex and smaller area and folding in prefrontal–temporal regions. Extraversion was linked to thicker pre-cuneus and smaller superior temporal cortex area. Openness was linked to thinner cortex and greater area and folding in prefrontal–parietal regions. Agreeableness was correlated to thinner prefrontal cortex and smaller fusiform gyrus area. Conscientiousness was associated with thicker cortex and smaller area and folding in prefrontal regions. ... Cortical thickness and surface area/folding were inversely related each others as a function of different FFM traits (neuroticism, extraversion and consciousness vs openness), which may reflect brain maturational effects that predispose or protect against psychiatric disorders.
It's like peeling the phrenological onion
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How much oxygen a person sucks out of the room.
I don't think that extraversion is usually defined as "how enthusiastic a person is". On the contrary, Wikipedia defines it thus:
"Extraversion is the state of primarily obtaining gratification from outside oneself.[4] Extraverts tend to enjoy human interactions and to be enthusiastic, talkative, assertive, and gregarious. Extraverts are energized and thrive off being around other people. They take pleasure in activities that involve large social gatherings, such as parties, community activities, public demonstrations, and business or political groups. They also tend to work well in groups.[5] An extraverted person is likely to enjoy time spent with people and find less reward in time spent alone. They tend to be energized when around other people, and they are more prone to boredom when they are by themselves". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
I imagine that Slashdotters, on average, have a much higher tendency to be introverted. It's not that extraverts can't be good at technical work - one could cite many examples to the contrary - just that it's easier to put a lot of time and effort into thinking if you don't have a lot of social commitments as well. But surely no one could claim that introverts necessarily lack enthusiasm. It just manifests in different ways.
I am sure that there are many other solipsists out there.
I think my 6 yo girl understand this. She knows what a brain is, and I am sure she is aware that 2 exact matches do not exist. Same goes for humans or any other living or non-living thing. Shortly different ppl - different brain.
What astounding news! Brains are all different and their structure is related to personality. Wow! Must be research funding application date yet again.
It's literally 2017.
... on the library shelf?
So brain structure affects personality, who knew??
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This is what the science of Phrenology was supposed to be.
Only the skull got in the way.
Now, psychologists are handicapped, and will need MRI data to be more exact.
Psychiatrists wll be able to get MRIs, and a new class in Med schools on psychology through brain structure will have to be developed.
So. This leads to some interestng questons:
Is this an exact findng, or just a trend type finding?
When will they identfy the pedo structure?
The Nympho structure?
The 'Gilligan' structure?
The 'Dr Strangelove' structure?
The 'Hitler' structure?
The 'Beavis and Butthead' structure?
The 'Three Stooges' structure?
The 'Manson/Bundy/Hannibal' structure?
How soon will someone determine the structure for the perfect employee/soldier/teacher and begin to use that to
limit choices? ( HR people will just be all over this )
Our personality may be shaped by how our brain works, [...]
Of course it is! By what else would it be "shaped"?
Except of course if you are very ugly, then you have a "good personality" because of that!
And I thought it was a dead science!
Which part of the brain is responsible for modifying the configuration of the brain. You know, the one that makes cognitive behavioral therapy work. In other words, where does meta thinking happen and what parts of the brain are responsible for that? That's an INFINITELY more interesting question.
We'll make great pets
Even neuroscience is jumping on the "fast five" bandwagon. Ugh!
The reason you think you're smarter than you really are is apparently linked to the enormous thickness of your skull.
It was suspected, but far from proven. Even now, we don't know what exact proportion of personality is derived from these brain structures that have been identified, from other brain structures, from hormone levels and from life experience.
This could be both incredibly useful in helping to diagnose and treat mental illness, and extremely dangerous if people start trying to design ideal personalities. Science fiction has often features docile slave races, perfect soldiers with high aggression and little empathy, people genetically modified and raised to do a single job.
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Yes, depending where the sun appeared to be when you were born affects the structure of your brain. Also, there appears to be an additional 12 year cycle affecting brain structure. For instance, people born in the coming year will have personalities similar to those of a rooster.
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Look, buddy, if you want to go to war, please do so, go ahead and get shot, nobody will hold you back.
In the meantime we'll stay here and find a way to coexist, ok? I guess that makes everyone happy.
See? We're open to your ideas. And we even support you!
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I bet you said the same thing when Newton "discovered" gravity. Or any basic research.
Philosophically I think "personality", is not a trait as such because "personality" this way becomes similar to the arbitrary "behavior", so the term "personality trait" becomes imo disingenuous when used to describe individuals. It is as if you had one arbitrary description/label, mixed with another arbitrary description/label. The worse of that stuff is usually found with psychology/psychiatry I would think. All arbitrary bs and labels eventually attributed to single individuals, with 100% prejudice, which is totally unfair, and quite silly when you think about how disingenuous labeling people is by prejudice alone.
Person = living human being, that you see, hear. A human being that you experience.
An individual = a more conceptual understanding of 'a person', or somebody thought to be a person/human being in name only.
Personality = is imo either a way for understanding ones understanding people in general as individuals (knowing how labeling works), OR, a way to describe the relevance for which one want to understand a specific individual, where one attribute one individual's actions, to an fair and reasonable interpretation of a range of suitable behaviors, but even then with skepticism in mind.
One can't just say, oh Bob's personality is him being a dork most of the time, as that wouldn't be fair because of the arbitrary way a label is attributed to an individual, and might be even be totally wrong all things considered.
The phrase "Our personality" is like an oxymoron this way. "Personality" is not really a common "thing" between people (because it is merely labeling).
I doubt he is that old. No one is that old.
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I'm no warmonger, but as Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
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Are we sure that our personality comes from our brain structure? Or does our brain grow to that structure as our personalities mature during childhood?
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What they have is a correlation. It can be that personality causes brain structure, brain structure cause personality and that both are caused by a third factor. It is also possible that the people were this correlation is high are P-zombies and that the whole research is meaningless.
Incidentally, the 5-trait model is overly simplistic and only captures stereotypical people well.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
"Yes, depending where the sun appeared to be when you were born affects the structure of your brain."
As interpreted by a coding scheme which is two thousand years of earthly precession (that's one whole constellation) out of date, and which for no particular reason omits two of the constellations through which the sun appears to pass.
The summary leaves me very concerned about the quality of the research.
agreeableness == a measure of altruism
WTF
Is this an industry term which I've never heard about?
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Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
Of the Big Five personality traits. Hmmm, I seem to recall submitting a /. poll on the Big Five personality traits but it was canned.
It's an alternative fact that it's literally 1984.
It is totally obvious though, that human behaviour, which originates in the brain, depends on the structure of that brain.
With computers, you'll see again and again that software architecture is heavily influenced by what is easy to achieve and/or efficient for a given piece of hardware. Humans' learning naturally gravitates towards ease and efficiency, so it is hardly surprising that this shows up in the brain. The thing that is hard to show, however, is the degree to which the interplay between personality and brain-structure influences the brain's development.
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The Big Five is often studied, but is a really poor personality paradigm. It's based on randomly chosen traits, it's not orthogonal, it's not complete, and it's only frequently used in research because it's essentially a research fad that refuses to die.
It's only a theory until it's been scientifically tested and evidence for or against found. That's the scientific method. Even if it seems obvious - there are plenty of examples of things that are counter-intuitive.
I'm no warmonger, but as Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
I vote tyrants.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Wrong. If it provides insight into understanding the subject and it makes testable predictions about that subject, then even after it's been scientifically tested and evidence for or against it is found, it's a scientific theory. No "only" about it.
I have a very good brain.
You are welcome on my lawn.
They shouldn't be using something that isn't scientific to try and do more science...
https://www.psychologytoday.co...
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If some study finds left hand/right structural differences are very different for 500 tennis players and it was linked to whether they were left handed players or right handed players, would you conclude "people born with big right hands become right handed players and those who were born with big left hands become left handed players"?
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
What's next Astrology is actually correct about world leaders?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
I don't see where I would possibly contradict you.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
I think you are trying to signal your virtue. The peace you enjoy was created by those who were willing to fight for peace. You want to take the credit from them and give it to yourself.
There are lots of dead civilians to prove that your way doesn't work for very long.
There are no known instances in human history where the co-exist theory actually worked in practice for an extended period of time. The world is full of war and threats, and it will always be full of war and threats. Your so called virtue isn't going to change that.
My 6 year old kid would not make this sort of egregious grammatical mistake. But he's not a moron.
"The agriculture ministry is not in charge of Gundam" - Japanese ministry official.
Sounds like modern Phrenology. Just saying.
Pics from the studies that reproduce these results or it might as well have never happened.
Okay, I don't need the pics, just the reproducible results.
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Hopefully we will see modern Trepanning tools soon.
A reasonably priced CNC unit with laser 3D sculpting/printing attachments should sell millions of unit the first year!
Spoken like a true Fox-bot.
Why don't you try to actually listen to the other side, for once? Or are you one of those people who complains about how divided the country is, while you're reaching for the remote, so you can tune in to Tucker Carlson, so he can tell you how to think?
And of course Thomas Jefferson's every word must, of course, be a tautology.
Which exact structures and whether the most important brain structures could be inspected and measured, those questions did not have an obvious answer. Even this result is only a toe in the door on that topic. Furthermore, the human brain is astoundingly malleable, so how useful a brain scan of a 13 year old could ever be in predicting the personality of the 37 year old is unknown -- the answer might turn out to be "not very, but better than nothing".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology
The difference is phrenology was measuring the shape of the skull to determine mental faculties and this one looks at the "shape" of the brain to determine personality.
First was a pseudoscience. I hope this one is better based in reality.
In the meantime we'll stay here and find a way to coexist, ok?
Unfortunately, wanting to coexist with others doesn't mean that others will want to coexist with you.
I didn't say the brain wasn't malleable, or that you could predict the personality of a 37 year old by scanning their brain when they were 13. Try to address the actual argument, instead of making one up.
When we toured South Africa, I was introduced to the "Big Five" of wildlife. Supposedly this is what all the tourists want to see, the large and iconic creatures of the regions (lions, hippos, etc.).
To me though, the very concept of the Big Five is flawed and reductionist. Did you enjoy the trip? "Why yes, I got to see all the items on the Big Five! By definition then I enjoyed the trip." It reduces the experience of travel to a checklist, and wildlife to a parade-type show.
Did I enjoy my South Africa visit? Damn rights I did! We toured wineries, got to get right up close with ostriches, learned about how racial integration has impacted the country, saw the fascinating biome on Table Mountain... So many great things. What was most memorable about the wildlife was that we actually saw that thing where giraffes fight with their necks. Never thought I would see that, yet it happened right in front of us! That was so cool.
was debunked long ago. It was called Phrenology. Why are they trying to resurrect it. If a person does not have the personality someone else wants, bump them upside the head with a hammer a few times. The bumps reveal all...
Fact: personality traits are linked to brain structure.
Fact: brain structure differs between races--caucasian, negroid, asian, jew, etc.
IPSO FACTO: personality traits can show up more or less often in one race than others.
Gee, it's almost like we're different on a biological level and race *isn't* just skin color.
Considering how many were murdered by their own-- almost entirely socialist-- governments and countrymen in the last century your statement doesn't make me feel better.
It's tempting for people reading a list, or writing, to think exhausts all the possibilities.
Emo Philips found one his psychologists missed...
"And he gave me a chocolate easter bunny and
I ate the bunny, then I thought, hey, this isn't easter. "Is this a test?"
And he said, "Yes." "And what does it mean?" He said, "Had you eaten the
ears first you would have been normal. Had you eaten the feet first you
would have had an inferiority complex. Had you eaten the tail first you
would have had latent homosexual tendencies and had you eaten the breasts
first you would have had a latent oedipal complex." "Well...go on, what
does it mean when you bite out the eyes and scream 'stop staring at me?'"
So I guess that ths stuff will activate the funding for a new line of research along the lines of
"retro-Phrenology", and a market for very specialized hammers and other medical instruments...
In the meantime we'll stay here and find a way to coexist, ok?
Unfortunately, wanting to coexist with others doesn't mean that others will want to coexist with you.
Want is irrelevant. Right now we have shown that we are more than willing to go to war with people that we do not like. When you signal excessive willingness to use violence, there is no incentive for adversaries to not use violence themselves. Thus global jihad against the west is on the rise.
Just because you expect there to be bear shit in the woods does not in any way reduce the amount of information you can learn about the bear's life from looking at its shit.
I say that as somebody who spends a lot of time off-trail in the woods, and sees a lot of bear shit.
I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Try having a conversation instead of an argument.
Yes, as a matter of fact, it does.
Definition: "A statement that is true by necessity or by virtue of its logical form."
Perhaps I should have clarified that I meant it in the logical sense, and not in the linguistic sense.
Maybe next time I'll just say axiom, to avoid upsetting the stupid people.
Why don't you just say "true", instead of using more sophisticated concepts that don't apply?
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Just who is it that's excessively willing to use violence?
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You've still misused the word. You mean "true". A tautology is a statement that is technically true but carries no information (usually because it is logically self-referential) - this is not what you're criticising Jefferson quoters of believing.
Your main point is well-taken. Why should we assume classic quotes are necessarily true? Why would it be impossible to achieve liberty without bloodshed?
The problem is that the 5 'clusters' in the Big 5 aren't all that informative, they are aggregations of more specific traits, which can be wildly different than the score for the category and the others within the category. In grad school, I did a systematic survey of personality assessment instruments ( Personalysis, Myers-Briggs, etc.). The IPIP-NEO was the only one that passed the sniff test for internal and external validity, especially over time. Just carefully read the definitions and the supporting pages that explain what is going on.
.. it is eessentially similar to the Big-5 ... Warning about the nature of this site ... For persons wandering into this site who have not completed a university course or two in psychological assessment, BEWARE: This site includes highly technical scientific information, ..." http://ipip.ori.org/HistoryOfT...
You can take the 300 question one, and look at your own results: "The IPIP-NEO (International Personality Item Pool Representation of the NEO PI-R) " at http://www.personal.psu.edu/~j...
"This is the official website for the International Personality Item Pool (IPIP). The site includes over 3,000 items and over 250 scales that have been constructed from the items. New items and scales are developed on an irregular basis. The items and scales are in the public domain, which means that one can copy, edit, translate, or use them for any purpose without asking permission and without paying a fee.
Over the past 15 years or so, I have taken it at intervals, also taken the results and reviewed them with friends to get their insights. What it doesn't do, is it doesn't predict. And there are no assumptions about how it plays out between individuals with different traits.
Mastermind and Field Marshall in one person. Glad you talked about you. I test the same as you.. Verified IQ 132..148 and EQ 200 consistently. That's common among the 5% of the population that we are. .. Getting along and having an easy time with people is ok, sure, its needed and good, but don't tell me that you can ever be fully at ease with people that would/will turn on you in a moment if/when you reveal just of clearly you see/know/perceive everything they (at least 80 of the remaining 95%) believe to be doing and thinking and feeling without anyone knowing. .. anyway .. intj/intp cooperation is voluntary and i just wanted to send cheers for being cooperative and perhaps a positive evolutionary factor! keep developing facility with the languages of the different types!
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I assure you that the only reason some one of the 7b people on this planet hasn't shoved a gun into your back and taken everything you have is because you have a friend with a bigger gun guarding that back. Not to say that you shouldn't be discerning as to who your friends are, but there is no liberty without either bloodshed or MAD. The minute you put down your gun someone will pick it up and point it at you. C'est la humanité.
What would a scam of Donald Trumps brain find? Anything? Hellooooooo in theeeeere!
...is called "Gulibility", with a range of 0 it infinity.