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First Human-Pig 'Chimera' Created in Milestone Study (theguardian.com)

Scientists have created a human-pig hybrid in a milestone study that raises the prospect of being able to grow human organs inside animals for use in transplants. From a report: It marks the first time that embryos combining two large, distantly-related species have been produced. The creation of this so-called chimera -- named after the cross-species beast of Greek mythology -- has been hailed as a significant first step towards generating human hearts, livers and kidneys from scratch. Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, who led the work on the part-pig, part-human embryos at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, California, said: "The ultimate goal is to grow functional and transplantable tissue or organs, but we are far away from that. This is an important first step." The study has reignited ethical concerns that have threatened to overshadow the field's clinical promise. The work inevitably raises the spectre of intelligent animals with humanised brains and also the potential for bizarre hybrid creatures to be accidentally released into the wild. The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) placed a moratorium on funding for the controversial experiments last year while these risks were considered.

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  1. dare I say... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 5, Funny

    man-bear-pig?

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    1. Re:dare I say... by number6x · · Score: 2

      Sounds more like the time the Daleks took Manhattan, but pigs and bears are related so I'm sure we'll get to the third step soon. Is Al Gore a Dr. Who fan? I thought he would be rooting for the cybermen, err women?

    2. Re: dare I say... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean two halves of the way there.

    3. Re: dare I say... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Eating is a life-and-death situation. You either eat or you die. So pork is fine, then!

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  2. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Funny

    Slashdot is just full of uncultured swine. ;-)

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  3. Don't make the obvious mean joke by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Show respect for the office.

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    1. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by Shoten · · Score: 2

      Show respect for the office.

      I applaud you, Sir...for I was going to make some variant of the joke, but indeed your appeal to reason did work. Still, the temptation remains strong; it's hard to keep the respect for the office when the one who holds the office himself seems to lack such respect. But yeah...the higher road is like that, isn't it?

      Bravo, Sir, bravo!

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    2. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by quenda · · Score: 2

      Obvious? The obvious joke to a normal human would be a "The Island of Doctor Moreau" reference.

      I had to google to find otherwise. South Park? I had kids and watched them grow in adults since that show was funny.
      Next you'll be telling me The Simpsons or Family Guy is still in production.

  4. And the chimera's first word was by FFOMelchior · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ed... ward....

    1. Re:And the chimera's first word was by hackwrench · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those scratching their head, this is a Fullmetal Alchemist reference, where an alchemist transmuted his daughter and his dog into a chimera.

  5. LunchTime by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    Anybody else get a sudden hankering for a BLT?

  6. Do not need to use human cells by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many of the issues they appear to be studying do not require the use of human cells. For example, they talk about not knowing what would happen if the animal were to complete gestation since pigs only gestate for 112 days, but human embryos gestate for 9 months.

    Well, then use two different animals that have vastly different gestation periods, and see what happens. You don't need to use human cells to find that out.

    They also talk about not knowing whether or not the cells would migrate to the brain.

    Again, use something else. Like, a mouse and an elephant. Or whatever.

    It seems premature to be using human cells in these experiments if they haven't already answered these questions with other animal chimeras.

    Which makes me wonder, why are they using human cells at all? Are they just going for headlines or what?

    1. Re:Do not need to use human cells by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are using human cells because they want to be able to grow a human kidney, lung, heart, pancreas, etc. and transplant them into people that need them.

      The current wait for a kidney is almost 10 years in certain states. Average life expectancy on dialysis is 5 years. You do the math.

      The procedure works as follows. Take the human cells and break the genes that make neurons. Take the pig embryonic cells and break the genes that makes kidneys. Add a single human cell to the pig embryos. You get a pig that's brain is 100% pig, whose kidneys are 100% human, and the rest of the body is 95% pig, 5% human. Take the kidney and transplant to a human in need.

      Like me for example.

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    2. Re:Do not need to use human cells by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2

      But it sounds like they're not doing the experiments in the right order. They're starting with human cells which end up leaving more questions unanswered because they can't carry the experiments out the way they would be able to with pure animal cells. If they started with pure animal cells they could answer the more fundamental questions quickly and this could lead them to more quickly answering the remaining questions using human cells.

      I guess they could do all this in parallel though, which I hope they are doing.

    3. Re:Do not need to use human cells by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 2

      Take the human cells and break the genes that make neurons

      Easy, if we knew exactly which genes controlled the development of the human brain. We don't, we can make educated and informed guesses but do we know if there is a enzyme or protein that is produced by human cells that triggers the development of higher cognitive functions?

      And what if the creature did develop higher brain functions? Pigs are already pretty smart, what if one of these test subjects scratches "No kill I" in the dirt?

      That said I agree that we have to keep doing research into this, the benefits would be huge, but we also have to consider the moral and ethical ramifications of this kind of research before we end up with a mess.

    4. Re:Do not need to use human cells by The_Noid · · Score: 2

      And what if the creature did develop higher brain functions? Pigs are already pretty smart, what if one of these test subjects scratches "No kill I" in the dirt?

      Then that one doesn't get killed, and the procedure for treating the human cells is improved so it doesn't happen again.
      And that specimen is studied intensively of course... In an environment of its choosing so it is as happy as it can be.

  7. 1 in 10,000 cells or not, that's some creepy shit by elrous0 · · Score: 3

    I mean, it's not "Island of Dr. Moreau" level creepy, but it's a start.

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  8. That animals first words? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ki...llll.....mee....eeee

  9. facilities by siamesevodka · · Score: 3, Funny

    The facilities to carry out this work was provided by a Dr. Moreau...........

  10. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by Tx · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Hyperpigs in Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space series were also human-pig chimeras created originally for human transplant organs;

    "The soldier whipped the blanket away from the huddled figure.

    The prisoner, crouched into a small foetal shape, squealed against the sudden intrusion of light, hiding its dark-adapted eyes.

    Clavain stared. The prisoner was nothing that he had been expecting. At first glance it might have been taken for an adolescent human, for the proportions and size were roughly analogous. A naked human at that - unclothed pink human-looking flesh folded away into the hole. There was a horrid expanse of burned skin around its upper arm, all ridges and whorls of pink and deathly white.

    Clavain was looking at a hyperpig; a genetic chimera of pig and human...

    Somewhere before the dawn of the Demarchist era, in the twenty-first or twenty-second century, not far from the time of Clavain's own birth, a spectrum of human genes had been spliced into those of the domestic pig. The intention had been to optimise the ease with which organs could be transplanted between the two species, enabling pigs to grow body parts that could be harvested later for human utilisation... The genetic intervention had gone too far, achieving not just cross-species compatibility but something entirely unexpected: intelligence. " From Redemption Ark, by Alastair Reynolds, 2002

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  11. Re:forget human-pig.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    You mean like Peter Porker, the Amazing Spider-Ham?

  12. Intelligent animals are unlikely by Chalnoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are many animals that are quite intelligent, but it's exceedingly unlikely that we would ever have the capability to genetically engineer an animal like a pig to have a human-like brain, even if we wanted to.

    The reason is simple: our brains are way bigger than pig brains (human brain: about 3.5lbs, pig brain: 0.4lbs). In order to have a pig with a human-like brain, you'd have to completely reshape it's skull, and because a pig skull is very different from an ape skull, you'd have to do it in a very different way than humans do. To do this, you'd need to generate a wide variety of novel adaptations to make it so that a pig can support a brain that's about 8 times the size. That's just not happening.

    What is being done in these kinds of experiments is far less ambitious: to use small amounts of human DNA to make animal tissues compatible for transplantation. This kind of research has gone on for a long time: it's common to genetically engineer mice and rats to have human immune systems, to make them better test subjects. In this case, if the research continues, you'll have a pig growing a pig liver, with some of its genetic markers changed just enough to fool a human body into thinking that it's a human liver rather than a pig liver.

  13. Re:Isn't this going backwards..? by BoogieChile · · Score: 2

    No, it makes no sense. It doesn't even make nonsense.

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyn...

    > The primate and artiodactyl lineages have diverged for roughly 80 million years — just the gradual accumulation of molecular differences in sperm and egg recognition proteins would mean that pig sperm wouldn’t recognize a chimpanzee egg as a reasonable target for fusion. Heck, even two humans will have these sorts of mating incompatibilities. Two species that haven’t had any intermingling populations since the Cretaceous? No way.