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First Human-Pig 'Chimera' Created in Milestone Study (theguardian.com)

Scientists have created a human-pig hybrid in a milestone study that raises the prospect of being able to grow human organs inside animals for use in transplants. From a report: It marks the first time that embryos combining two large, distantly-related species have been produced. The creation of this so-called chimera -- named after the cross-species beast of Greek mythology -- has been hailed as a significant first step towards generating human hearts, livers and kidneys from scratch. Juan Carlos Izpisua Belmonte, who led the work on the part-pig, part-human embryos at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies in La Jolla, California, said: "The ultimate goal is to grow functional and transplantable tissue or organs, but we are far away from that. This is an important first step." The study has reignited ethical concerns that have threatened to overshadow the field's clinical promise. The work inevitably raises the spectre of intelligent animals with humanised brains and also the potential for bizarre hybrid creatures to be accidentally released into the wild. The US National Institutes of Health (NIH) placed a moratorium on funding for the controversial experiments last year while these risks were considered.

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  1. dare I say... by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 5, Funny

    man-bear-pig?

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    1. Re:dare I say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well we're two thirds of the way there. Give it another couple of years.

    2. Re:dare I say... by number6x · · Score: 2

      Sounds more like the time the Daleks took Manhattan, but pigs and bears are related so I'm sure we'll get to the third step soon. Is Al Gore a Dr. Who fan? I thought he would be rooting for the cybermen, err women?

    3. Re: dare I say... by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 4, Funny

      You mean two halves of the way there.

    4. Re:dare I say... by kuzb · · Score: 1

      I told you, we need to fill the cave with hot, molten lead, 'cause it's the only way to make sure Manbearpig never comes out. And I'm saying it and I'm totally cereal but everyone just keeps digging!
      - Al Gore

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    5. Re:dare I say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That was the most powerful propaganda piece in human history.

    6. Re:dare I say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      But are you super cereal?

    7. Re:dare I say... by kuzb · · Score: 1

      He sure is. Just watch this enlightening video on climate change! It'll explain everything!

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    8. Re:dare I say... by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      We need to seal off the cave of the winds to keep him in!

    9. Re: dare I say... by ememisya · · Score: 1

      I think the first word it would utter would be, "Kill me." Lets keep this kind of research off the news, on international waters, until they can grow something without a nervous system nor neurons, and can grow organs.

    10. Re: dare I say... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry I wrote these nasty words. My Mom just finished explaining to me why it is inappropriate and I am really sorry. She told me to apologize if I don't want to be grounded for the rest of the week. I feel really bad. I don't know why I say these things. I just need a friend and I thought this would make me look cool.

    11. Re: dare I say... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      Eating is a life-and-death situation. You either eat or you die. So pork is fine, then!

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    12. Re:dare I say... by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      man-bear-pig?

      You bastard, you stole my line!

    13. Re:dare I say... by pak9rabid · · Score: 1
    14. Re:dare I say... by doccus · · Score: 1

      Er.... South Pork

  2. Look no further by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    than the White House.

    1. Re: Look no further by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Ape goes out, pig goes in?

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  3. Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...but not one to Margaret Atwood? Don't forget the pigoons from Oryx and Crake* which were created specifically for organ transplantation.

    The goal of the pigoon project was to grow an assortment of foolproof human-tissue organs... that would transplant smoothly and avoid rejection, but would also be able to fend off attacks by opportunistic microbes and viruses... A rapid-maturity gene was spliced in so the pigoon kidneys and livers and hearts would be ready sooner...

    * IMNSHO one of the best sci-fi works of all time

    1. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Funny

      Slashdot is just full of uncultured swine. ;-)

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    2. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by Tx · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Hyperpigs in Alastair Reynolds' Revelation Space series were also human-pig chimeras created originally for human transplant organs;

      "The soldier whipped the blanket away from the huddled figure.

      The prisoner, crouched into a small foetal shape, squealed against the sudden intrusion of light, hiding its dark-adapted eyes.

      Clavain stared. The prisoner was nothing that he had been expecting. At first glance it might have been taken for an adolescent human, for the proportions and size were roughly analogous. A naked human at that - unclothed pink human-looking flesh folded away into the hole. There was a horrid expanse of burned skin around its upper arm, all ridges and whorls of pink and deathly white.

      Clavain was looking at a hyperpig; a genetic chimera of pig and human...

      Somewhere before the dawn of the Demarchist era, in the twenty-first or twenty-second century, not far from the time of Clavain's own birth, a spectrum of human genes had been spliced into those of the domestic pig. The intention had been to optimise the ease with which organs could be transplanted between the two species, enabling pigs to grow body parts that could be harvested later for human utilisation... The genetic intervention had gone too far, achieving not just cross-species compatibility but something entirely unexpected: intelligence. " From Redemption Ark, by Alastair Reynolds, 2002

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    3. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      I'm glad I'll be dead before we reach that point. The rest of you will have to figure that mess out.

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    4. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by Is+Don+the+new+Ron · · Score: 1
      Simply as a "prediction" of the future of biotechnology, the intelligent pig scenario sounds like mad science at best, a vanity project of no great economic or military value. Before our descendants reach the point where they can grow pigs for transplantation, a means of growing organs without bodies will be invented. I mean why grow a whole pig, when all you want is the heart? There are now efforts to grow artificial meat I don't see why this technology, if successful, couldn't be developed further and adapted for growing artificial hearts and kidneys.

      Yes, there are going to be mad scientists among us who will find perverse joy in such fanciful "experiments". But they will be found at the fringes. The resultant man-pigs can't even be used as cost-effective weapons in the face of a Skynet-like revolution in robotics, unless you can develop a means of fast charging a porker.

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    5. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      Ensure we don't give apes higher intelligence for the purpose of using them as workers. If they learned to fight we could end up in a world run by them.

    6. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

      Before our descendants reach the point where they can grow pigs for transplantation, a means of growing organs without bodies will be invented.

      Our descendants? I'm not sure how old you are, but it might be in our lifetime. There was just an article about scientists using a rat-mouse chimera to grow a mostly mouse pancreas. This was used to transplant cells into diabetic mice and cure their diabetes.

      I mean why grow a whole pig, when all you want is the heart?

      1, growing a pig is an easy, well documented process. 2, you might want multiple organs from the pig.

    7. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by hey! · · Score: 1

      I don't see what is so intrinsically different about sharing the planet with a different intelligent species. For most of H. sapiens' existence we shared it with other human species. In our fantasies of places like Middle Earth we share it with other intelligent species... not to mention Narnia.

      We're not exactly doing a terrific job coexisting with other people of our species that have different opinions from us. That suggests our problems are cultural, not biological.

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    8. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by ilsaloving · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean, uncultured bear-swine?

    9. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by RudyF · · Score: 1

      free bacon as a bonus

      Does this qualify as cannibalism?

    10. Re:Two references already to Man-Bear-Pig by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Only half way.

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  4. So long as after I get my new unclogged heart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can have bacon made from my donor pig, I'm good.

  5. Don't make the obvious mean joke by PopeRatzo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Show respect for the office.

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    1. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by Shoten · · Score: 2

      Show respect for the office.

      I applaud you, Sir...for I was going to make some variant of the joke, but indeed your appeal to reason did work. Still, the temptation remains strong; it's hard to keep the respect for the office when the one who holds the office himself seems to lack such respect. But yeah...the higher road is like that, isn't it?

      Bravo, Sir, bravo!

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    2. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by mspohr · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Are they working on an orangutan chimera? If so, I know a good place to start.

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    3. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by quenda · · Score: 2

      Obvious? The obvious joke to a normal human would be a "The Island of Doctor Moreau" reference.

      I had to google to find otherwise. South Park? I had kids and watched them grow in adults since that show was funny.
      Next you'll be telling me The Simpsons or Family Guy is still in production.

    4. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by Z80a · · Score: 1

      He's not a pig, but the annoying orange, after it grew arms and legs.

    5. Re: Don't make the obvious mean joke by KozmoStevnNaut · · Score: 1

      No, that's David Cameron.

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    6. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Orange tan chimera?

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    7. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Obama and Hillary voted to expand the wall while senators, so are you describing them?

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    8. Re:Don't make the obvious mean joke by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Doctor Who as well. But my guess is that PopeRatzo is making the racist reference towards our outgoing president, which isn't very kind.

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  6. this is G.E.L.F space! by CaptnCrud · · Score: 1

    death....to the stranger.

  7. Larson was right? by rmdingler · · Score: 1

    If this produces the inevitable result

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  8. yawn... seems sloppy by coolmoe2 · · Score: 1
    Wake me when you can just grow the organs.

    Bonus points when you can make the tissue grow into any design you want. I want my 200 year rated super heart.

  9. And the chimera's first word was by FFOMelchior · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ed... ward....

    1. Re:And the chimera's first word was by hackwrench · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those scratching their head, this is a Fullmetal Alchemist reference, where an alchemist transmuted his daughter and his dog into a chimera.

    2. Re:And the chimera's first word was by Verdatum · · Score: 1

      You monster.

  10. Old News by Shoten · · Score: 1

    The human/pig has been around for a while now, and even has her own tv show. Here's what she looks like now.

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  11. Doctor Who by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    These creatures were featured on Doctor Who.

    1. Re:Doctor Who by martinX · · Score: 1

      There were other experiments in the field.

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    2. Re:Doctor Who by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Also, the "alien" ship that crashed in London, destroying Big Ben yet again.

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  12. LunchTime by sdinfoserv · · Score: 2

    Anybody else get a sudden hankering for a BLT?

  13. Isn't this going backwards..? by myowntrueself · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "Dr. Eugene McCarthy is a Ph.D. geneticist who has made a career out of studying hybridization in animals. He now curates a biological information website called Macroevolution.net where he has amassed an impressive body of evidence suggesting that human origins can be best explained by hybridization between pigs and chimpanzees."

    https://phys.org/news/2013-07-...

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    1. Re:Isn't this going backwards..? by phantomfive · · Score: 1
      Huh. I sure didn't guess that one, but maybe it makes sense?

      the "direction of the cross" would likely have been a male boar or pig (Sus scrofa) with a female chimp (Pan troglodytes), and the offspring would have been nurtured by a chimp mother among chimpanzees. there's even a creepy possibility that hybridization might even still be occurring in regions where Sus and Pan still seem to come into contact, like Southern Sudan.

      I didn't know that pigs and chimpanzees come in contact with each other that way, and it's still a little hard to believe.

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    2. Re:Isn't this going backwards..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      but bacon is delicious...

    3. Re:Isn't this going backwards..? by BoogieChile · · Score: 2

      No, it makes no sense. It doesn't even make nonsense.

      http://scienceblogs.com/pharyn...

      > The primate and artiodactyl lineages have diverged for roughly 80 million years — just the gradual accumulation of molecular differences in sperm and egg recognition proteins would mean that pig sperm wouldn’t recognize a chimpanzee egg as a reasonable target for fusion. Heck, even two humans will have these sorts of mating incompatibilities. Two species that haven’t had any intermingling populations since the Cretaceous? No way.

  14. Do not need to use human cells by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many of the issues they appear to be studying do not require the use of human cells. For example, they talk about not knowing what would happen if the animal were to complete gestation since pigs only gestate for 112 days, but human embryos gestate for 9 months.

    Well, then use two different animals that have vastly different gestation periods, and see what happens. You don't need to use human cells to find that out.

    They also talk about not knowing whether or not the cells would migrate to the brain.

    Again, use something else. Like, a mouse and an elephant. Or whatever.

    It seems premature to be using human cells in these experiments if they haven't already answered these questions with other animal chimeras.

    Which makes me wonder, why are they using human cells at all? Are they just going for headlines or what?

    1. Re:Do not need to use human cells by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are using human cells because they want to be able to grow a human kidney, lung, heart, pancreas, etc. and transplant them into people that need them.

      The current wait for a kidney is almost 10 years in certain states. Average life expectancy on dialysis is 5 years. You do the math.

      The procedure works as follows. Take the human cells and break the genes that make neurons. Take the pig embryonic cells and break the genes that makes kidneys. Add a single human cell to the pig embryos. You get a pig that's brain is 100% pig, whose kidneys are 100% human, and the rest of the body is 95% pig, 5% human. Take the kidney and transplant to a human in need.

      Like me for example.

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    2. Re:Do not need to use human cells by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 2

      But it sounds like they're not doing the experiments in the right order. They're starting with human cells which end up leaving more questions unanswered because they can't carry the experiments out the way they would be able to with pure animal cells. If they started with pure animal cells they could answer the more fundamental questions quickly and this could lead them to more quickly answering the remaining questions using human cells.

      I guess they could do all this in parallel though, which I hope they are doing.

    3. Re:Do not need to use human cells by Bryan+Ischo · · Score: 1

      Additionally, given that there is no such thing as a "gene that makes kidneys" or a "gene that makes neurons", only "genes that make proteins", I expect you'd have to very subtly change a whole lot of genes in order to actually selectively stop just one kind of organ generation, and even then you'd probably get an imperfect version of that organ.

      I thought they were just trying to make the pig "human enough" that its kidneys would work, as piggy as they still might be, in a human.

      But you know, I really ought to actually do some research because clearly you know more about this than I do ...

    4. Re:Do not need to use human cells by PinkyGigglebrain · · Score: 2

      Take the human cells and break the genes that make neurons

      Easy, if we knew exactly which genes controlled the development of the human brain. We don't, we can make educated and informed guesses but do we know if there is a enzyme or protein that is produced by human cells that triggers the development of higher cognitive functions?

      And what if the creature did develop higher brain functions? Pigs are already pretty smart, what if one of these test subjects scratches "No kill I" in the dirt?

      That said I agree that we have to keep doing research into this, the benefits would be huge, but we also have to consider the moral and ethical ramifications of this kind of research before we end up with a mess.

    5. Re:Do not need to use human cells by The_Noid · · Score: 2

      And what if the creature did develop higher brain functions? Pigs are already pretty smart, what if one of these test subjects scratches "No kill I" in the dirt?

      Then that one doesn't get killed, and the procedure for treating the human cells is improved so it doesn't happen again.
      And that specimen is studied intensively of course... In an environment of its choosing so it is as happy as it can be.

    6. Re:Do not need to use human cells by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      From TFA:

      âoeWe didnâ(TM)t see any human cells in the brain region, but we cannot exclude the possibility that they may have gone to the brain,â said Izpisua Belmonte.

      It might not actually be necessary to turn the genes that contribute to brain development off, if it can be shown that no significant amount of human cells go that region.

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    7. Re:Do not need to use human cells by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      And that specimen is studied intensively of course... In an environment of its choosing so it is as happy as it can be.

      So, just like us regular humans then?

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  15. 1 in 10,000 cells or not, that's some creepy shit by elrous0 · · Score: 3

    I mean, it's not "Island of Dr. Moreau" level creepy, but it's a start.

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  16. That animals first words? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Ki...llll.....mee....eeee

  17. facilities by siamesevodka · · Score: 3, Funny

    The facilities to carry out this work was provided by a Dr. Moreau...........

  18. How far? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

    "The ultimate goal is to grow functional and transplantable tissue or organs, but we are far away from that. This is an important first step."

    If they are already growing human organs, how much farther do they have to go before they are transplantable?

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    1. Re:How far? by subanark · · Score: 1

      Having an organ grow in a pig can result in many environmental differences in how the organ turns out. E.g. a pig is smaller and may not "exercise" the heart enough to make it useable in humans. There is also the issue of removing all the pig from the organ for a clean transplant.

  19. Wait... by genessy · · Score: 1

    ...I thought we Americans were already doing that with the "science" of HAES.

  20. forget human-pig.... by Mogster · · Score: 1

    When do we get Spider Pig?

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    1. Re:forget human-pig.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You mean like Peter Porker, the Amazing Spider-Ham?

    2. Re:forget human-pig.... by KreAture · · Score: 1

      Spider pig, spider pig. Does whatever a spider pig does...

  21. Not Brains...Boobs! by FrankSchwab · · Score: 1

    Why in god's name would I want a Pig's body with a Human brain?
    Instead, let me raise a Human body (Female for me please) with the brain of, say, a Bonobo monkey.

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  22. Intelligent animals are unlikely by Chalnoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There are many animals that are quite intelligent, but it's exceedingly unlikely that we would ever have the capability to genetically engineer an animal like a pig to have a human-like brain, even if we wanted to.

    The reason is simple: our brains are way bigger than pig brains (human brain: about 3.5lbs, pig brain: 0.4lbs). In order to have a pig with a human-like brain, you'd have to completely reshape it's skull, and because a pig skull is very different from an ape skull, you'd have to do it in a very different way than humans do. To do this, you'd need to generate a wide variety of novel adaptations to make it so that a pig can support a brain that's about 8 times the size. That's just not happening.

    What is being done in these kinds of experiments is far less ambitious: to use small amounts of human DNA to make animal tissues compatible for transplantation. This kind of research has gone on for a long time: it's common to genetically engineer mice and rats to have human immune systems, to make them better test subjects. In this case, if the research continues, you'll have a pig growing a pig liver, with some of its genetic markers changed just enough to fool a human body into thinking that it's a human liver rather than a pig liver.

    1. Re:Intelligent animals are unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, the goal is to create a human with a pig's brain. That way we can harvest its delicious blood and organs while only be technically be killing a pig (which we do *quite* a lot of anyway).

    2. Re:Intelligent animals are unlikely by PJ6 · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, the goal is to create a human with a pig's brain. That way we can harvest its delicious blood and organs while only be technically be killing a pig (which we do *quite* a lot of anyway).

      That's already happened.

      The big surprise to the scientific community was that they can vote.

  23. Better Bacon? by pubwvj · · Score: 1

    I wonder what it tastes like?
    Humans taste like pork...

    1. Re:Better Bacon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wonder what it tastes like?
      Humans taste like pork...

      Long pig.

    2. Re:Better Bacon? by siamesevodka · · Score: 1

      My God!!! Your eating Cousin Eddy!

  24. Uplift them animals! by ihaveamo · · Score: 1

    The work inevitably raises the spectre of intelligent animals with humanised brains .. Excellent! - Scifi becoming fact, yet again... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  25. Disease by JBMcB · · Score: 1

    You can grow genetically pure pigs in a sterile environment. They do this already with flies, to use maggots to clean out necrotic tissue in ulcers. Gross, but it works incredibly well.

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  26. Rat/Mouse chimera for pancreas by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

    http://www.livescience.com/576... describes growing a mouse pancreas in a rat for diabetes research. There are many good applications of this type of research but I can also see it going very wrong.

  27. And the first thing he asked? by Z80a · · Score: 1

    The best panties in the whole world.

  28. Colds by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

    Since they are modified by pigs each year, will this have an effect on cold viruses?? (Most things are not as simple as they first appear.)

  29. Re:details by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Submission and respect aren't the same thing. Lack of submission may not be the appropriate term, but neither is lack of respect.

  30. Anyone hungry...... by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    For some bbq baby-back ribs?

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  31. Mice-Humans a long time ago by pz · · Score: 1

    We've been creating mice with human immune systems for probably decades now. Heck, you can even order them from commercial suppliers:

    https://www.jax.org/jax-mice-a...

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  32. Life imitates art? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1
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  33. New breed of muslims. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    New breed of muslims.

  34. I worked for this guy! by SlithyMagister · · Score: 1

    Well, it smelled and acted like a pig-man hybrid anyway

  35. Nostradamus was right ! by Laxator2 · · Score: 1

    The scourges passed the world shrinks,
    For a long time peace and populated lands:
    One will travel safely by air, land, sea and wave,
    Then the wars stirred up anew. (C I â" 63)
    They will think they have seen the Sun at night
    When they will see the pig half-man:
    Noise, song, battle, fighting in the sky perceived,
    And one will hear brute beasts talking. (C I â" 64)

  36. I dunno... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I think Rosie O'Donnel's parents created the first Human-Pig hybrid...

  37. What Bacon has done for science... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

    and what science has done with bacon.

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    1. Re:What Bacon has done for science... by MrKaos · · Score: 1

      C'mon people, Francis Bacon one of the people who devised scientific method, get it.

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  38. Re:Progress...Not by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    So what you're saying is Trump is more diverse than Obummer? Cool.

    Train keeps going.

    Almost every President seems to be worse than the one before him... ... I'm not sure how we're going to trump Trump though. Kanye West 2020? Charlie Sheen 2024? Satan 2028?

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  39. Redwall Abbey, here I come by CresCoJeff · · Score: 1

    "The work inevitably raises the spectre of intelligent animals" -- what 'spectre'? Creating a new species with human-level intelligence would be the greatest feat mankind has ever accomplished, bar none. It's a big deal, sure, and as such could go super-wrong, but it doesn't have to. If it went right, we could have a real-world Redwall Abbey, with Jacques-esque Moles! That said, the "...with humanised brains" part is a bit disturbing, depending on how much human gets into the new species; we're not exactly a sterling role model for new sapient life.

  40. We humans are generally too not ready... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    We humans are generally too not ready for this hi-tech stuff.

    Consider this example: Africanized bees. Theye were inadvertently released into the wild and now have taken lives here in the USA.
    Those bees continue to migrate further north and pose a threat to an ever increasing population.

    Add to this one example the fact that an obvious unqualified Trump made it to being a presidential candidate (let alone actually now in office), and it is quite evident that we humans are akin to an ape with a machine gun!

    I say we first educate the masses. Then we can let the few intelligent educated persons manage such amazing research.

    First, we need to have more humans actually recognize what makes a qualified leader; rather than THINK they know and we all end up suffering from the mistake once it all blows-up in (their) faces.

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    Self-importance and self-indulgence is the root of ALL evil.