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Microsoft Says It Is Winning Its New War Against Macs (cultofmac.com)

Windows PCs are starting to chip away at Apple's strong grip of the high-end computer market, Microsoft CFO Amy Hood said on an earnings call Thursday. From a report: Microsofts licensing business, which sells Windows to third-party PC makers, was up 5 percent last quarter, confirmed CFO Amy Hood during an earnings call on Thursday. The "non-pro" (consumer) market grew 5 percent, beating the overall decline of the PC industry. "Our partner ecosystem continued to see growth and share gains in the Windows premium device category," Hood continued. Those gains would have eaten into Apple's share of that market, which has been dominated by Macs until recently. There are other things that could have contributed to this, of course. Many long-time Mac users have been somewhat disappointed with Apple's most recent releases, which come with big changes that not everyone is willing to embrace.

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  1. Nope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple is self destructing. Minor difference, but it makes it sound like Microsoft is all of a sudden making better products. That would be a first, and probably not far off.

    Had a mac since '84 and I think my current macbook is the last I'll buy.

    1. Re:Nope by kamapuaa · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So, are you going to go Windows or Linux?

      Because while having to use a dongle to access your SD card is a slight nuisance, I guess, the alternatives are for shit.

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    2. Re:Nope by wwphx · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I went Mac about a decade ago, I'm typing this on a brand-new 27" iMac (insurance replacement for my 2011 27" iMac that was stolen over Thanksgiving - long story). And I am an Adobe user, but not a CC user. I'm also a Microsoft user via Parallels as my former occupation was as a SQL Server developer/admin.

      My main reason for switching was reliability and updates. I was sick and tired of OS crashes and reloads and having to reboot my computer seemingly every other day. Frequently the crashes took care of the need to reboot. One day I was sitting at work, again, about a decade ago, when the IT director came by my desk and started giving me a ration of shit about owning a Mac. Finally I turned to my Mac, ran uptime, then said "Yeah, Don, it's junk. It's only been up 46 days without a reboot." He turned on his heels and left.

      Macs aren't perfect, and Windows has gotten much better, but man -- their UI just makes me want to claw my eyes out! I have a Windows 10 x64 box with a nice 28" Viewsonic connected to a nice Radeon card, and typing in a browser doesn't look much better than it did 15 years ago! I've never understood why in all the years of good video cards and GUI development that Microsoft couldn't get font rendering looking good. And you'll never get me off Time Machine backups! It made deploying this new iMac or my wife's new MacBook Pro that her boss bought her last Fall so easy. My wife is an astronomer and all of their data center is Linux, so Macs are a very smooth fit for the staff.

      Maybe Microsoft is eating in to Apple market share. No doubt Apple has had some missteps. I don't care. As long as they're around or as long as I can keep their kit working, I'll stick with my Macs. I started with the original four-screw IBM PC and Dos 1.0 and worked on pretty much everything since then, and I've had more than enough. I just want my computer to work reliably. And that is what my Mac does.

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    3. Re:Nope by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Macs aren't perfect, and Windows has gotten much better, but man -- their UI just makes me want to claw my eyes out! I have a Windows 10 x64 box with a nice 28" Viewsonic connected to a nice Radeon card, and typing in a browser doesn't look much better than it did 15 years ago! I've never understood why in all the years of good video cards and GUI development that Microsoft couldn't get font rendering looking good. And you'll never get me off Time Machine backups! It made deploying this new iMac or my wife's new MacBook Pro that her boss bought her last Fall so easy. My wife is an astronomer and all of their data center is Linux, so Macs are a very smooth fit for the staff.

      Remember we are in post truth days, alternative facts, and we elected it, so this is what America wants.

      We have a nation where for some reason Popularity equals everything.So Kim Kardashian is the most beautiful woman in the world, VHS is the best video system, and the cheapest laptop that you can buy at Walmart is incredibly superior to a 30 K Mac Pro.

      Toyota Corolla is the biggest selling car, so it is also the best car in the world.

      Oh - and Honey Boo Boo's mother who recently re-hooked up with a registered sex offender who boinked one of her daughters, and has a new show, which is good television.

      Somehow.

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  2. Keeping up with the Macs by Halomez · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I find it funny that the only Windows win is against a platform that Apple has all but abandoned for years. I wonder if Microsoft realizes how much trouble Windows is in.

    1. Re: Keeping up with the Macs by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The PC market is hardly a major growth industry, so while it's increased its sales gap with the Mac platform, so what?

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    2. Re: Keeping up with the Macs by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Have you looked at Apple's cash reserves? 237.6 billion versus around 113 billion. Apple could buy Microsoft's liquid assets and still have over 100 billion to spare.

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  3. Not so much winning as simply not failing as hard by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Microsoft is only shooting itself in the foot while its opponents over at apple have somehow lodged their guns into their own rectums. Its not so much that microsoft is winning the battle, as apple is just failing worse.

  4. Missing 'Pro' features by TheOldBear · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'll be hanging on to my retina mb pro for the foreseeable future [however short that is]. I like having the built in HDMI and SD card slots, along with the possibility of upgrading the internal storage. For a tru 'pro' Macbook, I would like to see Apple revive the old 2012 form factor, with single mini display port / thunderbolt 2 replacing the firewire port, 1 USB A & 2 USB C/thunderbolt 3 ports - and if possible both magsafe & hdmi ports. The old design's optical bay could hold either an optical drive, or extra battery, or extra storage - all user serviceable. The user should also be able to upgrade the RAM - up to 32 Gig.

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    1. Re:Missing 'Pro' features by Higaran · · Score: 4, Insightful

      HA HA HA A user serviceable mac, LOL you'll sooner find a user serviceable Iphone. To get what you want will never happen, pretty soon they will seal the entire thing in the case just like a phone. If you want to do anything to it its basically destroyed, Apple specifically doesn't want anyone touching anything inside of their tech. Don't fix it, just buy a new one is basically their motto.

    2. Re:Missing 'Pro' features by sydsavage · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Couldn't agree more, with the addition of built in ethernet for network admins. Thinness means nothing if I've got to carry around a bag full of dongles. And 'Pro' means user upgradeable/repairable components, at least memory and HD. Dropping magsafe was a huge mistake, they could still allow charging thru USB C/thunderbolt.

      For a desktop, bring back the cheese grater tower, with current spec ports and SATA 3, perhaps M2/PCI for SSD connectivity.

      They have the sexiest designs, but seem to have forgotten that form follows function. Having no user serviceable/upgradable parts on entry level machines is fine if really necessary and helps lower the price point, as 99% of consumer level users never crack the case, but Pro's should have upgrade options besides thunderbolt.

  5. No... no it's not. by Lumpy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Sorry but uptake of Win10 is still dismal. even with giving it away for free.

    If you count the latest macbook? yes, as it's more of a netbook.

    Microsoft needs to fire all it's marketing department and executives and get some people in there that have a clue. They botched a lot of the 10 rollout that made people distrust them more.... They need to desperately change that and the only way is to clean house at the top.

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  6. It may well be... by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It may well be, but it's not because of anything Microsoft is doing.

    Virtually every professional I know have all but given up on Apple thanks to the idiocy they've been pulling in recent years. At this point, it is so beyond glaringly obvious that they're now just taking the piss out of their customer base, that people no longer feel that that apple tax is worth it.

    I just priced out a 13" MBP for myself. The MINIMUM viable product for my use is almost $3000. And this is minimum viable for my CURRENT needs, never mind what I might need a couple years from now. And of course, Apple forces me to plan ahead cause they solder everything onto the main board with no option for future upgrades. And this price doesn't count the bajillion dongles I'll have to buy (since the bajillion I already own are now useless), nor apple care.

    The part that pisses me off the most is that they are very obviously gimping their lower priced products to force people to buy the more expensive stuff. For example, the base 13" MBP with a memory and storage bump would have been good enough for me.... EXCEPT IT ONLY HAS TWO TB3 PORTS AND ONE GETS USED FOR POWER. So you have literally ONE whole port to do *everything*.

    And as of right now, there is literally NOT ONE single TB3 port replicator or hub available on the market to purchase (Yes, I've looked. Even OWC won't be available for at least a couple months from now at the soonest), so my options are to cobble together some ridiculous spaghetti mess of dongles, USB hubs and other nonsense just so I can use an external monitor and ethernet at the same time, or I spend the extra $700 to get their highest end model that graciously allows me to upgrade both ram and storage, AND has 4 TB-3 ports to use. (Their mid-range specifically does NOT give you the option to upgrade storage. You can have any size you want as long as it 256GB)

    The currently generation of macbooks are flat out inexcusable.

  7. Apple has been complacent by sjbe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I wonder if Microsoft realizes how much trouble Windows is in.

    Microsoft is making tens of billions in profit from Windows every year with no end in sight. If that's trouble then give me some of that. PCs might not be the dominant force they once were but they aren't going away any time soon and there is nothing that is likely to displace Windows as the dominant operating system in PCs either. Furthermore Microsoft is the only ones doing anything even kind of innovative in traditional PCs these days. Their work in merging tablets and laptops is actually working in some areas (after a LOT of false starts) whereas Apple's big "innovations" are removing keys that nobody had a problem with and taking away ports people actually use. I'm not going to be a Windows fan any time soon but at least they are trying. Apple seems to not give a shit about the Macs anymore and they certainly haven't done anything in that space worth mentioning for several years now.

  8. Re:It Is Impressive! by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I care about the hardware too and there still isn't a real improvement out there to the 2012 15 inch macbook pro I already have. I'm still waiting on an actual hardware upgrade after 5 years.

  9. Re:It Is Impressive! by PoopJuggler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm with you. MacOS is the best GUI OS I have ever used, and I've used everything from GeOS to BeOS, Amiga, AT&T, Lisa, you name it. I've never heard anyone of any importance say anything bad about MacOS. VMWare Fusion fills in if I need Windows or Linux.

  10. Re:It Is Impressive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No it isnt.

  11. Re:It Is Impressive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    I've never heard anyone of any importance say anything bad about MacOS.

    But the people of importance are now saying Windows 10 is as good as or in some ways better than OSX.

    So you CAN be correct and wrong at the same time.

  12. Re:It Is Impressive! by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "You, sir, are an unmitigated moron."

    Funny. I feel the same way about you. You are spouting absolute nonsense. We're both modded +5. Neat.

    5k is irrelevant. its irrelevant today and it will still be irrelevant in 5 years. if anything, we'll move to 8k before 5k gets any real traction.

    Go to Amazon. No need to carry "a bag of accessories". Just buy something like THIS, or THIS, or even THIS or THIS, and you're all set for "Legacy Ports".

    Yeah... buy a laptop missing a bunch of features, and then attach another smaller box to it to make it an actual pro laptop. That's brilliant. Pro users want a workhorse like a truck and you think they should just buy a car and trailer, and that that it is just as good? You know any contractors who drive a civic and pull a trailer around? Ever wonder why not? BECAUSE THEY CAN BUY A FUCKING TRUCK.

    That shit on amazon wouldn't be necessary if you could buy a proper laptop in the first place.

    Once again, "My Use Case MUST be EVERYONE'S Use Case. WTF is wrong with you???

    The difference between my examples and your is the users I am representing is the *actual majority of users*, and the use-cases you are campaigning for are the tiny niches. Which use case is more common?

    a) A pro user who needs to attach a flash drive to their computer, or an HDMI projector in a board room?
    b) A pro user who needs 5k screen and 4 4k screens all attached to his laptop; because he doesn't already have a desktop?

    Catering to b) is perfectly fine, but claiming a) is not the far more common and important feature to support is just rectal cranial inversion.

    If you look at the TrackPad on the MBP 2016, it is nearly the size of an iPhone screen. Next stop for that TrackPad will be to work with the Apple Pencil. Mark my words. THEN, it will make sense...

    And if that happens in 2019 I'll give a shit THEN. But your wrong. Nobody wants to draw on the track pad. If anything Dell's convertibles have it right... flip it over and draw right on the goddamned screen.

    This is hardly a Bugatti. This is a Laptop for PROs, that has an "Eye to the Future". But still practical today.

    If it were there would not be a million articles taking a shit on it for not having the features people want TODAY.

    That's why you can buy miniDP to ??? Adapters at WALMART these days, FFS!

    I can buy tire irons at walmart too -- so what?

    Doesn't mean my car shouldn't have one included in the tire change kit. Even my 911 has a collapsible tire change kit with everything needed to change a tire as standard equipment. Why? Because when I need to change a fucking tire i am not likely to be parked at a fucking walmwart where i can just buy a tire iron.

    Likewise when I need to plug my laptop into a customers projector... that is not going to happen in the cable aisle at a walmart, where i can just reach over and grab the adapter i need. No. Instead it usually means NOT using the projector and having everyone gather around the tiny laptop, because in the real world you don't pause a meeting for 20 minutes to make a fucking trip to walmart.

    And guess what? There are PLENTY of Non-Apple Laptops that have nothing but a miniDisplayPort Port. You'll be whipping out that "Bag Of Accessories" for them, too.

    I can easily shop around bad design choices them when I'm buying Non-apple laptops. There are several vendors, with dozens of products lines that cater to pro-users. If apple is going to be the only vendor of OSX then it's under more pressure to get its one-size-fits-most to actually fit most.

    If you are Pining for the USB-A, go to frickin' Amazon, and pick up a few of these $2.50 USB-C to USB-A adapters. They are cheap enough ($7 for 3) and small enough, that you can simply clip them onto your USB-A cables and LEAVE THEM THERE.

    Yeah. I al