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Seagate Says 16TB Hard Drive To Hit Market Within 18 Months (techspot.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report: If you haven't shopped around for hard drives in a while, you may be surprised at what's out there. The largest 3.5-inch desktop hard drives currently available from Seagate, for example, offer a whopping 10TB of capacity for less than $500. In the event that 10TB isn't quite enough storage and a multi-drive setup isn't ideal, you'll be happy to hear that Seagate over the next 18 months plans to ship 14TB and 16TB drives. A 12TB HDD based on helium technology is currently undergoing testing and according to CEO Stephen Luczo, initial feedback is positive. Most enthusiasts and even some PC manufacturers are now using solid state drives as their primary drive due to the fact that they're much faster and more power-efficient. What's more, because they have no moving parts, SSDs generate no noise and are much more durable.
Now I can lose even more data when a single disk crashes!
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Why are the two ending sentences there on SSDs?
It made the summary confusing and off point.
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and will it be enough for the digital hoarders out there?
I typically replace my home file server hard drives every five years or so. More out of necessity because the hard drives start failing like dominos. I buy whatever hard drives I can get for $50 each. Last year I replaced Seagate 320GB hard drives with Western Digital Red 1TB hard drives. Maybe four years from now I'll get 16TB hard drives — or 1TB+ SSDs — for $50 each.
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a 16TB drive means that there is more of your data to lose
In most cases, if you can fill a 16 TB disk, that data isn't actually yours.
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Spinning drives are still the way to go for bulk storage because the cost-per-gigabyte remains far, far cheaper than SSD and will seemingly remain so for the near future.
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I just divide it into two equal partitions, and make copies of everything.
Strange that the discrete 800 degree heating units haven't been integrated AFAIK. However, 250 degrees in an oven for a day fixes most of them.
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Most of the comments so far seem to be about 16TB being a bit on the ridiculous side for PCs and even small servers, etc. What these are exciting for aren't RAID or traditional PC's but for high density storage for Big Data, which typically doesn't use RAID, and generally only looks at SSDs as a "hot tier" solution. 16TB spindles sound great to me, but I'd never stick one in my home PC.
There are two types of people in the world; those who believe there are two types of people, and those who don't.
I'd love to see someone come out with a cheap, trivial-to-use "WORM* USB stick" along with "plug and play" backup software.
Such backups would be impervious to being over-written by ransomware. If using them became commonplace, it would cripple that industry.
Such media could also be used for security systems or any other kind of data-logging system: Record everything to write-once media (along with a copy of recent data to a cached journal, so changing media doesn't cause interruptions).
There is a good business case for this: It provides a nice "give away the flashlight, sell the batteries" profit center for vendors: People would need to replace the USB sticks when they filled up. The key is that it will have to be no more expensive than ordinary USB sticks of the same capacity.
Before you mention "data retention/deletion policies" I'm envisioning this for home users and some types small businesses, not large businesses or those subject to government-driven data-deletion policies.
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* By "WORM" I mean the actual hardware/firmware enforces the write-once aspect, not just a USB stick with an OS-level device driver that makes it "write once." This should actually be cheaper to manufacture than typical USB sticks since you would not need to provide "erase" circuitry nor would you need to have wear-leveling logic in the device's firmware.
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Where are you going to put that kind of data, [...] Another drive? Well, unless you buy at least three of these then that will get expensive fast, requiring multiple older drives per one of these.
Well, My use case makes this what is likely to happen.
I'll drop one of these in the system and it will act as the WORM drive for bulk data.
As the data is created it is written to smaller/faster disks (still spinning rust, whatever 2.5" is cheapest/gig, or even previously used drives that have been tested clean). Once a dataset is complete it will be written to the WORM drive, once the smaller disk is full it is pulled from the system, put on the shelf and a new blank put in in it's place. Instant offline backups.
There is an SSD who's entire existence is dedicated to maintaining the table of datasets -> offline disk # & Hash of dataset for bitrot checks. It's an old 40 gig Intel disk.
I've found that as particularly larger disks come out I migrate the WORM to a new larger WORM and now I have the old WORM + initial creating disks all available as backups. It's a system that I've been using for about 6 years now without any issue (and with a couple disk failures and bit-rot incidents to validate my system).
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Probably never. Hydrogen is reactive and will also migrate easily into other materials.
This should actually be cheaper to manufacture than typical USB sticks since you would not need to provide "erase" circuitry nor would you need to have wear-leveling logic in the device's firmware.
Former Flash validation engineer here...
Sadly not the case. The erase circuitry will still be needed if only so you can adequately run test patterns on the parts. Have to return the device to 0xFF's after testing so your customers can use it.
That said, there is the ability to disable erase in the field by setting a bit in the FACS array as the last step of testing.
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Actually, deal prices for HDDs have yet to drop below ~$30 a terrabyte. This is 2010 era pre-flood/pre-consolidation prices. I haven't seen a price for a new drive from a quality brand dip below that.
While I've seen SSDs hit $200/terrabyte. So the price delta is 6-10x at this point. It's rapidly shrinking.
I just upgraded our building's 1080p security camera system storage from 4TB to 16TB (2x8TB). With 8 cameras recording at 6 fps, half of them on motion detection all the time, the others half the time, 4TB held about 35 days of video. We kept missing important footage due to the motion detection not triggering in time or not at all. I tried reducing the h.264 codec quality, but small details like license plate numbers started to become unreadable. 16TB should let us store 45+ days of always-on footage. Maybe even increase the framerate (not that we need smoother video, but more frames means more chances to get a legible still frame grab of a crucial license plate).
This is just 8 cameras. The amount of video storage a place like a shopping mall needs must be mind boggling.
Oh fuck off. With 360 video becoming a thing, we are going to need 16k cameras to capture reality in decent fidelity. My personal raw 4k footage already vastly exceeds the 2 TB of backup media content i maintain.
.wavs at this point. My home surveillance package could fill a 16 TB quickly, even quicker if i upgrade to higher resolution cameras.....You lack imagination.
I store my physical CDs as straight up
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That said, there is the ability to disable erase in the field by setting a bit in the FACS array as the last step of testing.
For all practical purposes, is this an irreversible step?
If not, I would prefer some other method, such as cutting a trace or burning out a fuse so that the drive was guaranteed to be "write once, erase/delete never."
For "forensic" purposes, "guaranteed non-erasure" is a hard requirement.
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It's not a big deal if you don't do it all at once. It's like using iTunes or Netflix but without the network or the problem of things "going away".
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If you're going to do this for anything other than experimental purposes, be sure you're using ECC RAM. You probably aren't and your current board most likely doesn't support it, so you'll need to get a new motherboard, possibly a new CPU and new RAM.
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My friends speak quite highly of helium.
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I'd love to see someone come out with a cheap, trivial-to-use "WORM* USB stick" along with "plug and play" backup software.
You may be waiting a while. Flash isn't cheap enough and it has data retention problems. Phase change memories (of which 3D Crosspoint seem to be a variant) also have difficulties with long term retention. If you don't need it to be a USB stick, WORM behaviour is a commonly available in optical storage media, including Blu-Ray.
You realize that spinning disks that size are "archive" only usage. Not actual usage. By that measure, tape is really cheap. There is a reason why you hardly see that any longer.
Typically "archive" hard drives mean that they have relatively poor performance, not that that they're bad. For instance, if you're looking to put together a NAS to store a bunch of media like TV shows or movies, they're just fine. You're going write infrequent changes, mostly when you're adding new content, and you're going to read sequential streams, both of which archival drives are just fine for. That's actual usage. They are not intended for, say, write once, then store in a closet offline for years. They're not like "archival" quality optical media, which is intended to not decompose for a longer time than non-archival media.
Just keep your high IOPS activities like databases off them and they're an excellent tool.
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