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Japanese Government Requires Java and Internet Explorer 11 X86

Long time reader AmiMoJo writes: Japan has introduced "My Number", a social security number assigned to citizens and used to access government services. Unfortunately, the My Number management web portal requires the Java plug-in. Because this plug-in is deprecated in many browsers, only Internet Explorer 11 (32 bit) and Safari on Mac are supported. The explanation (translated) given for this is that in order to access My Number contactless card readers Java is the only option. Some browsers support IC card access but it seems that it is not mature enough to be viable.

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  1. Japan is a very bureaucratic nation by Master5000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have a lot of paper and are pretty useless with computers. Usually the opposite from what you see in the news about Japan. They aren't that of an advanced nation if you look at the common man. So this shouldn't be a surprise. It's good that they're trying to automate some stuff but it will take some time and they will make some mistakes. Even dumb mistakes like this one.

    1. Re:Japan is a very bureaucratic nation by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Funny, I visit regularly and find that the general level of technology, the pervasiveness of it, is much higher than the UK. Maybe we are even more backwards.

      They certainly seem pretty good with computers, anyway. And smart phones.

      This is just an issue with incompetent developers and bureaucracy picking the wrong technology a few years ago. Japanese people over on Srad (the new name for Slashdot Japan) seem to agree. Yes, I pilfered the story from there.

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  2. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yawn, IE11 defaults to 32 bit anyway. You get both 32bit and 64bit installs on windows. And many times 64 bit version has many issues especially with compatibility. In fact, many enterprises disable the 64 bit IE entirely.
    Kinda like how MS themselves recommend NOT using 64 bit office, but only 32 bit office installs, because it's full of issues that MS doesn't bother to fix.

    The x86 IE 11 requirement is a non story.

    The java requirement on the other hand...

    1. Re:Yawn by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      I am not so sure that it is flaws in the 64 bit version of the software, I feel that it is actually the same problem that plagues Windows in general: Backward compatibility.

      There is an ocean of Office and IE plugins that are 32 bit only. While it is a problem that Microsoft created, it's not exactly their problem to update the vast amount of 3rd party programs which only work with 32 bit versions.

      The thing is, 64 bit is all well and good, but even today, there isn't a compelling reason to have 64-bit address space for most applications. Kind of the same thing with multi-threading and multiple cores. Most apps just don't need or can't use that extra capacity.

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  3. Re:The Number One signature of incompetence: "My" by Joce640k · · Score: 3, Interesting

    That's exactly what you're supposed to think. It's having the intended effect.

    (ie. Making you want to purchase the "professional" version - at twice the price for two extra features that you'll probably never use)

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  4. Re: I guess 2017 won't be the year of Linux by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Informative

    The point may have been but the execution was anything but! Every version on evey platform have changes... Some of these were deal breakers. Most enterprises have different virtual desktops for management of Network devices, storage devices and virtual servers because they all require specific and different (and mutually exclusive) versions of java!

  5. Same mistake as Korea by plsuh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    South Korea mandated the use of an ActiveX control for online payments in the 1990s, which has locked companies and banks there into a deprecated and dangerous technology. Only in the last couple of years has the government there started the process of getting rid of the damn POS system.

    Someone please tell the Japanese government that what they are doing is a REALLY bad idea.

  6. Re:unclear on the concept by hey! · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I worked for years as a contractor developing software for government agencies, and in my experience they're often running software that is years out-of-date. This is a result of government budgets operating in a cash rather than accrual mentality -- i.e. that a penny saved is a penny earned. Taken to the extreme "a penny saved is a penny earned" is false.

    Can you make do with a version of software that's EOL? Sure, but it'll cause problems. How can we solve those problems? Well, throw staff time at them. Would that be new hires? No, they're people whose salaries we're already paying. So the view you can minimize the immediate cash outlay by running obsolete software. This would not be reckoned by a private enterprise as a legitimate cost savings, but that's why the IT guys in government have to contend with.

    So you have to look at government platform decisions like they were being made 10 years ago. Then allow for the development time for the project and this is how the calculation goes: 2017,minus three years for project development time, minus ten years for government lag time, and this is like a corporate in-house developer choosing applets as a platform in 2004.

    Government IT guys run the gamut from incompetent to high competent, just like their private sector counterparts. But if you were to give them a letter grade (ABCDF) you have to deduct one letter grade from their ability to perform to account for the irrational financial incentives they have to deal with.

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  7. Re:unclear on the concept by hey! · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oh, you'd be surprised. I've worked many places that consider employee time to be "free". We can buy a library that will solve problem X or just build it ourselves. The library costs money, but building it ourselves is free! After all, we're paying our programmers anyway!

    That's a more complicated question, because it's not just about staff time spending vs. license fees. When you build dependencies on a closed source library into your work that's an act of faith in the vendor's future support policies. Once I had a vendor who raised the distribution fees on downstream licensees from $5/seat to $1000/seat. Oh, and don't forget the vendors who simply abandon products that aren't making money and leave their customers dangling.

    Even if you don't buy into the ideology of Free/Libre software, the risk of being tied to a vendor's future goodwill is a sufficient reason never to buy proprietary libraries. If you do buy a proprietary library you need to protect yourself both contractually (if possible) and architecturally.

    Now as for using "free" staff time, at the risk of sounding like I'm contradicting myself, intelligent and creative use of slack developer time is one of the most important things you can do for your long-term success. Far from treating slack time as "free", however, I see it as treating slack time as too valuable to squander. You should set aside time to do things purely for extending the capabilities of the team. That might involve reinventing the wheel, if you have good reason to believe you can make a better one.

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  8. Re: I guess 2017 won't be the year of Linux by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mostly because there have been so many security holes found in java plugins that no other browsers even support it any more. Even Oracle doesn't think it's a good idea these days. Fee free to contemplate the irony of using the java plugin for a security application.

  9. Re: The Number One signature of incompetence: "My" by Ark42 · · Score: 2

    I have a My Number card. It's spelled in Katakana. Literally "Mai Nambaa". There is no translation to English. They literally wanted to use the English phrase "My Number" as the name of the system.