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Microsoft Is Disabling Older Versions of Skype For Mac and Windows On March 1 (venturebeat.com)

If you're using an older, outdated version of Skype, you may want to consider updating soon. Microsoft said today that starting on March 1 people will no longer be able to sign in to version 7.16 of Skype for Window desktop and older versions, and version 7.18 of Skype for Mac and older versions thereof. VentureBeat reports: "If you're one of those users, all you'll need to do is download the new update," the Skype team said in a blog post. This isn't the first time Skype is retiring old software. But that doesn't mean the upcoming move won't rankle some people. Version 7.18 of Skype for Mac and version 7.16 of Skype for Windows both came out less than a year and a half ago -- in December 2015. So it's not as if this is very old software. Still, Microsoft has been doing a lot to improve Skype in the past year. It's been migrating the app to its Azure public cloud infrastructure, and adding chatbots. Current versions of Skype -- like version 7.44 for Mac -- come with amenities like better previews of websites and better support for emoticons and other content in the input box for chats. "We've poured our energy and passion into creating something truly special, and this is just the beginning," Skype said.

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  1. My rejected more informative news by Artem+S.+Tashkinov · · Score: 5, Informative

    Subject: Microsoft disables p2p Skype protocol starting March 1, 2017

    In a recent update of Skype for Windows Microsoft has announced that starting March 1, 2017 older, p2p versions of Skype will cease to work. This affects Skype for Windows versions 7.16 and below, Skype for Mac version 7.0 to 7.18 and the native Linux client (its only functional version 4.3). This news is especially unpleasant for Linux users of Skype, since the new "cloud ready" version of Skype for Linux is nothing more than a packaged Google Chromium web browser with Node.js running a web version of Skype, which means its memory consumption is huge and it's unable to store your conversation history locally indefinitely like the native client did.

    P.S. One can only wonder why ./ editors choose less informative posts over more informative ones.

    1. Re:My rejected more informative news by wvmarle · · Score: 2

      Thanks for this. A much better reason for disabling those older versions than the reasons given in TFS.

      Whether it's a good enough reason, is a point for discussion, but disabling an older version just because the newer one has new features, is a bad one. Improved security (which I would expect to be a key feature), or security as such, isn't even mentioned!

    2. Re:My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      /. has editors? Who'd a thought it eh? :)

    3. Re:My rejected more informative news by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      the new "cloud ready" version of Skype for Linux is nothing more than a packaged Google Chromium web browser with Node.js running a web version of Skype, which means its memory consumption is huge and it's unable to store your conversation history locally indefinitely like the native client did.

      Why can't it store your conversation history locally? Chromium permits limited (user-selected) filesystem access.

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    4. Re:My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P.S. One can only wonder why ./ editors choose less informative posts over more informative ones.

      Bulshitbingo count not high enough.

      "all you'll need to do"
      "Microsoft has been doing a lot to improve Skype"
      "app"
      "Azure public cloud infrastructure"
      "adding chatbots"
      "come with amenities"
      "energy and passion into creating something truly special"

    5. Re: My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I award you one internet point as a participation award. Conglaturation, your winner!

    6. Re:My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because cloud.

    7. Re:My rejected more informative news by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Because cloud.

      So then unwilling, not unable :p
      Which is unusual for Microsoft... usually it's the other way around

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    8. Re:My rejected more informative news by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      /. has editors? Who'd a thought it eh? :)

      I'd say that you must be new around here, but I've been watching you for a long time Mr Coward. You always have an opinion no matter what the subject and have been posting for longer than I have been visiting here.

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    9. Re:My rejected more informative news by dbIII · · Score: 1

      That's a pain. There goes skype on my Nokia N900.

    10. Re:My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I've noticed recent Skype versions come with ads and with a request to look at all your computer's contacts. That's reason enough to stop older versions from working, as far as they are concerned.

    11. Re:My rejected more informative news by Zocalo · · Score: 1

      P.S. One can only wonder why ./ editors choose less informative posts over more informative ones.

      Maybe they get some form of benefit like kickback from the ad-revenue generated by linking to some sites over others? There certainly seems to be a bit of a pattern of which sites are linked in the versions of accepted stories vs. those that are rejected when you see dupes in the firehose...

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    12. Re: My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I still have an old version "just in case" I need to reach some old acquaintances. Last time I opened it up was about a year ago.
      With this new "development" I guess it's time to move on and say bye bye skype, stupid chimps at microsoft have finally gotten to you.
      RIP skype.

    13. Re:My rejected more informative news by slashnik · · Score: 1

      I looked at installing Skype for Business on my Android phone the other day.

      It is not only your contacts that it wants to slurp up, it is also the applications that are running and more worryingly your browser history.
      Have yet to think of a good reason why Skype would need that access.

    14. Re:My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't it store your conversation history locally?

      Because it's too hard for the NSA to go trawling through millions of PCs.

    15. Re:My rejected more informative news by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Maybe they get some form of benefit like kickback from the ad-revenue generated by linking to some sites over others? There certainly seems to be a bit of a pattern of which sites are linked in the versions of accepted stories vs. those that are rejected when you see dupes in the firehose...

      Ah, for days of yore, when editors would occasionally edit multiple submissions together. I don't know if they stopped doing that, or if so if it's because of laziness or because of the system for tracking submissions (but I repeat myself) but in that case it seems like the other links could just be whacked into the story.

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    16. Re:My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If I had ever used Skype, I would have stopped using it when Micro$haft bought it. Disabling the current version to force Skype users to use the newer version...Kinda reminds me of all of the forced Win 10 installs. I consider a Win 10 (or anything else) install forced when it installs first and only then gives you the option to decline. Windows 7 and 8 users should have been asked first, and if they declined, that should have been that...no more nagging, and trickery to get it installed!

      It wouldn't surprise me (considering all of the spyware in Windows 10 that users only think that they can disable) if the new version of Skype is infested with spyware too!

    17. Re: My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      skype for "business" is a completely seaparate junkware. It is their former monstrosity called Lync, part of Office suite, rebranded to better confuse imbeciles still using Monkeyshit Corp excrements.

      The original skype is dead.

    18. Re:My rejected more informative news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why for the glorious targeted advertising money, you silly bean!

      If you've noticed lately, most software is dying to get your personal info and sell it on the advertising market. Proprietary software is mostly trying to go to the SaaS model, DRM has never been stronger, VR finally made a sudden comeback, and hardware manufacturers are trying to come up with every gimmick that they can find to try and get you to buy new hardware.

      Long story short, unless we get a breakthrough in computing soon, the industry as it is currently cannot survive. It's dying for money, and for the most part people have what they need for now.

    19. Re: My rejected more informative news by slashnik · · Score: 1

      Not entirely fair

      We imbeciles have to use the Monkyshit Corp excrements that we are given

    20. Re:My rejected more informative news by dddux · · Score: 1

      Simply ignore everything Microsoft and use whatever else is available. e.g. Google hangouts which works remarkably well. Yahoo chat is good too. I can't understand why people insist on Skype. Skype is essentially dead now.

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      "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." - Jiddu Krishnamurti
  2. Good times by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A very good time to drop Skype for one of it's less-trashy alternatives, such as:

    well, basically anything else.

  3. What about Skype for Android? by Streetlight · · Score: 2

    My wife and her sister use Skype on Android based tablets, so what about that version? Of course, Android is based on Linux, so maybe a connection to the Linux version of Skype.

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    1. Re:What about Skype for Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they are using Android tablets they already have access to better, less invasive, alternatives to Skype for their video calls. Using them instead would be trivial.

    2. Re:What about Skype for Android? by tepples · · Score: 1

      To which "better, less invasive, alternatives" do you refer? Are they only for Android-to-Android, or also Android-to-desktop?

    3. Re:What about Skype for Android? by Streetlight · · Score: 1

      Duo for Android to Android, and maybe Hangouts otherwise might be choices. Differences can involve whether video call apps require use of a phone number or some kind of user ID like Skype.

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    4. Re:What about Skype for Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use something more secure like Telegram or Signal.

      https://www.eff.org/secure-mes...
      https://www.eff.org/node/82654

    5. Re:What about Skype for Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linphone [https://www.linphone.org] works great for me. Multi platform, multi device, Video + audio - great quality .
      ZRTP encrypted traffic.

    6. Re:What about Skype for Android? by tepples · · Score: 1

      Most of my Skype use is actually text chat. I prefer it over IRC because I find server-side logging convenient. Only occasionally do I switch to voice and video. Which chat app integrates well with Linphone on Windows, Android, and GNU/Linux, so that my chat contacts are synchronized with my voice and video contacts?

    7. Re:What about Skype for Android? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      When my wife calls me from her Windows box, both my Android phone and Fedora desktop go off, normally the phone beating the desktop by a few seconds even when they're both on the same WiFi network.

      Oh, sorry, I see you're looking for [which "better, less invasive, alternatives"]. Well, I've verified with the wife that jit.si works fine between our combined 4 devices. And she then goes back to using Skype to call her family. I'm not going to win that one.

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    8. Re:What about Skype for Android? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you have linphone for all those platforms. It's a SIP client, so you are not mandated to use that app in every platform, any SIP-compatible client will do it.

      You can linphone for chat too, but I would personally look for xmpp-based app for that purpose, as xmpp is the perfect suit for chat (you can handle offline messages, file transfers, etc).
      Again, xmpp is a standard , so any app would do it :)

      If you want to combine Chat and Voice/video in one single app, you might want to give signal a try.

    9. Re:What about Skype for Android? by dddux · · Score: 1

      Never give up. "We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”

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    10. Re:What about Skype for Android? by RockDoctor · · Score: 1
      Your - or Churchill's speech-writer's - god has sweet fuck all to do with anything even as unimportant as my wife's disinterest in teaching her elderly relatives how to use a new application at a range of several thousand km.

      I don't need that level of complexity. When MS forces me to stop using Skype on my desktop, Skype will stop being used on my desktop. When it stops working on Granny Babushka's computer, then we'll have to cross the bridge.

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      Birds are not dinosaur descendants;birds are dinosaurs, for all useful meanings of "birds", "are" and "dinosaurs"
  4. No skype for Linux by OFnow · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The last skype for Linux for Ubuntu is now 4 years old. And there is none for 64bit Linux. So there is no skype for Linux. And yet no one cares :-)

    1. Re:No skype for Linux by tepples · · Score: 5, Informative

      Technically, Skype for Linux Alpha is 64-bit. But as Artem Tashkinov pointed out above, it's really just Skype for Web running in 64-bit Chromium, and it takes a half GB of my laptop's 2 GB RAM. Because of the RAM use and the fact that I already had the 32-bit libraries installed to run Wine, I switched back to good old 4.3, which is still the only 32-bit Skype for Linux. Or should I just run the distribution's build of Firefox?

    2. Re:No skype for Linux by dddux · · Score: 1

      Maybe because... what is Skype?? There are so many different programs and services to communicate with that Skype never really entered my mind. The thing is ordinary people use Skype because it is all they now. They are not aware of all the other programs you could use in the same manner. Your task is to inform them of these. Don't just lazily tell them "yeah, Skype". It is Internet ffs. There are so many ways of communication! Enjoy the freedom of choice!

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  5. Stop sending e-mails with link to update!!!!!! by leehwtsohg · · Score: 2

    How stupid can companies be? Stop sending e-mails with links to update, because scammers can do exactly the same!!!
    By doing this again and again, companies are getting users used to clicking on e-mail links to update software, which I think
    today is (one of?) the main vectors for malware (see DNC hack...). STOP IT! PLEASE!

    1. Re:Stop sending e-mails with link to update!!!!!! by leehwtsohg · · Score: 1

      If it wasn't clear, I meant to say that microsoft sent out an email to users to update skype...

  6. "improve" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Still, Microsoft has been doing a lot to improve Skype

    from the Turd-Polishing dept.

  7. Telegram and Discord by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 4, Interesting

    WhatsApp pulled that same stunt on older iOS versions just a few days ago. I convince most of my friends to switch to Telegram and Threema.
    For business and games we mostly switched to Discord.

    https://threema.ch/
    https://telegram.org/
    https://discordapp.com/ -- replacement for Skype and TeamSpeak

    Pissing of their user base ... I really wonder how long companies continue to think they can continue to do that.

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    Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    1. Re:Telegram and Discord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Discord doesn't work on the *BSDs, so it's not a great option. You should be pushing people to platforms that have open standards or open source clients. Otherwise the same shit that occurred with Skype will just happen again down the road.

    2. Re:Telegram and Discord by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      If you only piss off 49%, then who cares, microsoft has thrived on that.

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    3. Re:Telegram and Discord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgot to include my recommendation for Tox: https://tox.chat/

    4. Re:Telegram and Discord by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      Stunt? Which is the orderly upgrade of software to newer versions followed later by deprecation of the older versions? Now in cases where the software (or enabling service) is paid, I can see complaining if the "later" comes sooner than is reasonable.

      Legacy software incurs support costs, at some point it's reasonable for a company to spend finite engineering resources building new things. It's a balance thing, and nothing suggests that any of these companies are going to alienate too many customers by asking people to go to the app store and click "upgrade all".

    5. Re:Telegram and Discord by tepples · · Score: 1

      Stunt? Which is the orderly upgrade of software to newer versions followed later by deprecation of the older versions?

      The "stunt" is failure to support the latest operating system available for a particular device. If WhatsApp requires a new operating system, and your phone requires an old one, then continuing to run WhatsApp costs $100 or more to replace your phone with one that can run a new operating system, plus whatever it costs in your area to recycle your old phone in compliance with applicable e-waste regulations.

    6. Re:Telegram and Discord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are 10,000 suckers born every day.

    7. Re:Telegram and Discord by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 2

      Do you know if any of these support video chat on a Mac?

      I got a panicked call from my mom this morning, she uses Skype extensively to chat with family, and Microsoft just sent her an email about shutting down the current versions. I walked her through trying to update, but the website only offers her version 6-something. She has OS X 10.6 and apparently the new mandatory client won't run there, now I'm having to find her some alternative.

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      "BSD: Free as in speech. Linux: Free as in beer. Windows 10: Free as in herpes." --Man On Pink Corner in #52607549.
    8. Re:Telegram and Discord by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      Hardware follows the same rules -- it's announced, it's supported, then it's deprecated in an orderly fashion. Complain if it's done too fast, especially in the Android space where OEMs abandon phones willy-nilly, but it's still got to happen.

      All told at some margin the $100 for you to replace an ancient phone with one that can run a modern operating system is cheaper than the engineering resources required to support, validate and certify it indefinitely. Maybe that comes after 3 years, maybe 5, but logically that point has to come eventually.

      And for the same reason, at some point a software company is not going to expend engineering resources supporting and validating every release against every operating system. Again, you can debate the proper point in time deprecate, but you can't seriously argue that it's wise to expend effort supporting every OS indefinitely.

    9. Re:Telegram and Discord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Discord is a disaster. It's a hipster version of IRC. The current nodejs/javascript takeover of desktop applications is becoming a serious problem. These 'native' clients don't integrate with the host system's UI, take gobs of ram for what they do, and are ugly as sin. In discord's case, the UI stack is gpu accelerated, which causes performance problems on marginal gpus (remember, this is just meant to be a chat program). Now I've got three different applications imposing custom skins (hw monitor, steam, discord) but each is shaded slightly differently. It's a mess. Devs are welcome to offer custom skinning as an option, but the default should be to obey system UI conventions. It's not that hard. These 'discoverable' UIs are anything but discoverable, and the insufferable 'google' style corporatespeak used for prompts is galling (eg: "ensuring dankest memes"). These hipster nodejs faggots are trying too hard to be cool.

      For all the claimed wonders of 'cloud' offload, the desktop sure still burns a lot of cycles just to display some text on the screen.

    10. Re:Telegram and Discord by Areyoukiddingme · · Score: 1

      Telegram is apparently inextricably linked to a phone number. No.

    11. Re:Telegram and Discord by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

      There are 10,000 suckers born every day.

      Optimist.

    12. Re:Telegram and Discord by tsa · · Score: 1

      MS has been pissing off their customers since the 1990s, as has the music industry.

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    13. Re:Telegram and Discord by tsa · · Score: 1

      All newborns are suckers.

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    14. Re:Telegram and Discord by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      If the most recent version of your phone runs a version of Android lower than 2.3.3 then being able to use WhatsApp is the least of your problems.

    15. Re:Telegram and Discord by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      The stunt was: WhatsApp (the app on my phone) suddenly warned me "it will stop working" after January 1st of 2017.
      There was no upgrade or incompatibility involved. Just like this Skype stunt. They simply "stop working" in a few days, because the server stops routing through calls for old versions.
      In the WhatsApp case, they said: download and install the new version. But the new version required a newer iOS.
      Switching to the web based WhatsApp or Desktop version did not work either: because the "linking" of the desktop version to your account requires to use the phone WhatsApp to take a photo from a Q-Code.
      However, the "old" phone version is to old to work with Q-Codes. Hence all my old conversations on WhatsApp are lost: because the old WhatsApp now starts in a screen telling me: "I don't work anymore, you have to upgrade ..."
      GOTO 10

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    16. Re:Telegram and Discord by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      If you have old hardware, running an old OS and running old software and never change anything: it is supposed to run indefinitely. Unless something similar like the Y2K problem catches you.

      Neither WhatsApp nor Skype (nor iMessanger on iOS 6) follow(ed) that rule. Like food they suddenly rotted and stopped working. You should try to read the articles and posts you are responding to more carefully.

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    17. Re:Telegram and Discord by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 2

      Like most tother chat apps ...

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    18. Re:Telegram and Discord by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Look everyone knows it is only a matter of time before M$ kills skype on Windows 7 to force people to the probe. That's what upsets them, they have become accustomed to M$'s behaviour, expect it and are becoming annoyed when they see it coming even when it couple of years down track. They know M$'s modus operandi and regardless to the bullshit press releases M$ puts out, the react the the reality underlying it. So as M$ bought skype, I was done with it, I know the inevitable consequence, they are a crappy company and it will be bad for end users, it's just the way it is. Didn't complain, just dropped it and moved on.

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    19. Re:Telegram and Discord by tepples · · Score: 1

      Web browsers also "suddenly rotted and stopped working" when websites switched from cleartext HTTP or old SSL to new TLS in response to vulnerabilities discovered in the former.

    20. Re:Telegram and Discord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do you ppl punish yourself with these apps? I just dont get it

      Go for open standards, open source and if an app is deprecated during the lifetime of your device, you have somewhere to go....

    21. Re:Telegram and Discord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      try linphone!

      SIP based open source solution.

      https://www.linphone.org/

    22. Re:Telegram and Discord by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Hu? Any examples for that?

      And if it had happened, what is the relation to the WhatsApp and Skype problems?

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    23. Re:Telegram and Discord by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      Windows XP only supports SHA1 for TLS -- pretty much useless for the modern secure web (SHA1 is deprecated and it's against policy to even issue new certs with it).

      WhatsApp and Skype also operate servers, and likely don't want to support every protocol baked into their older software versions.

      I get that you think that your old machine with an old OS should work, but that doesn't consider that there are other parties required to support it, at least for anything server-based. You can operate forever just fine in your own disconnected universe. The rest of us have will have plans to announce upgrades, let people migrate and then decommission the old stuff in an orderly fashion.

    24. Re:Telegram and Discord by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      You seem not to get it.

      and likely don't want to support every protocol baked into their older software versions.
      That would cost basically nothing. You just keep the older libraries in the package, facepalm.

      Anyway: I explain it again.

      31th of december 2016, WhatsApp works perfectly. But it gives me messages since 1st of October, that it will stop working in january 2017.

      About 10th of January it stopped working. No Os change on my Phone, no Software change on my phone.
      I did not do an OS upgrade. I did not change anything on my phone. So: there is no reason for it to stop working except the deliberate "switching off" by the company. Same with Skype.

      Can't be so hard to grasp that the companies in both cases are abusing the fact that they have/operate the servers.

      I can not even upgrade WhatsApp, because for that I would need to upgrade the OS first, which I'm not going to do.

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    25. Re:Telegram and Discord by sydbarrett74 · · Score: 1

      This is a serious question and not a troll.

      How do you feel about the above three compared to Signal? That's what I use, and would be willing to switch to something else if there's a compelling reason.

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      'He who has to break a thing to find out what it is, has left the path of wisdom.' -- Gandalf to Saruman
    26. Re:Telegram and Discord by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      I can not say anything regarding Signal. I frankly forgot about it, but reading now on Wikipedia it looks promising. Especially encrypted SMS/MMS ... I wonder how that works.

      Regarding the programs I mentioned:
      Telegram offers cost free unlimited storage (I don't use it intensive enough to see how good it works when offline) and strong encryption. Disadvantage: I don't know/did not check where the servers are.

      Discord: strength is chat groups and like TeamSpeak voice chat in groups especially suited for games and large groups with several hundred listeners. They offer self hosted (p2p by the players/users) "servers" and free public servers.

      Threema: encrypted and data hosted in Switzerland under bank protection/secrecy laws.

      All the later three have no video chat, I believe Threema not even voice chat.

      Hope that helped. (I use all three for different purposes)

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
    27. Re:Telegram and Discord by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      That would cost basically nothing. You just keep the older libraries in the package, facepalm.

      Believe me, I get it. I develop and maintain software.

      Software doesn't just keep working all by itself like that, it requires continuous QA, validation and regression testing. Otherwise people like you (rightly) scream down our throats every time a new release regresses something.

      I can not even upgrade WhatsApp, because for that I would need to upgrade the OS first, which I'm not going to do.

      You are welcome to keep running an insecure OS and not take security updates. I would not recommend such a thing.

    28. Re:Telegram and Discord by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Facepalm, for one who claims to be in that business ...
      The OS is not insecure.

      WhatsApp can compile their App for any older OS version by simply selecting the right check boxes in the IDE or giving the right command line options.

      It is a fucking chat client ... there is nothing in new OS versions that is required to make it work or gives a good reason that it does no longer work/can be compiled for old OS versions.

      Your regression testing argument makes no sense ... do your regression tests suddenly not compile anymore?

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      Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
  8. Sourceforge called and by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    they want their CHANGELOG back.

    I soarly disrespect your post sir.

  9. Microsoft is disabling fake news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nt

  10. Anyone using 2008 Skype on Sony Mylo 2? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some embedded devices are exempted from protocol and authentication forced upgrades. Anyone still connecting on this one client?

    And for goodness sake, anyone try just making their own Skype protocol server and using a open source client? Call it the WhypeNet and allow clients to SOCKS Proxy and Vpn and Tor into eachother for repeater proof of concept like how Amateur Radio operators do all the time.

  11. Microsoft Is Disabling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    The proper term is "differently-abled" -- as in Microsoft Is Differently-Abling Older Versions of Skype For Mac and Windows On March 1

  12. Even better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just ditch Skype altogether. There are better alternatives out there.

    1. Re:Even better by tepples · · Score: 1

      Which your contacts don't already use and are likely to prove unwilling to start using. For example, it costs over $100 for a U.S. resident who currently uses a landline, flip phone, or outdated smartphone to start using WhatsApp because the desktop client requires a sufficiently recent smartphone to act as a proxy.

    2. Re:Even better by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      it costs over $100 for a U.S. resident who currently uses a landline, flip phone, or outdated smartphone to start using WhatsApp

      Well, what's wrong with Hangouts? I have no experience with the iOS version, but the Android version seems decent. And it will run on very little device, or in a browser.

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    3. Re:Even better by Ash-Fox · · Score: 1

      Well, what's wrong with Hangouts?

      For me, off the top of my head:

      - Being able to have phone-in numbers in multiple countries.
      - No world subscription where I can call landlines and some mobiles at no additional cost.
      - Requirement of existing mobile number
      - No real desktop app that is relatively lightweight (having to install Chrome and running four executables in the background doesn't count, Skype only uses 59MB RAM on my Windows machine right now.
      - I have frequent problems with presence information when using it, people offline when they're online etc.
      - No real messenger API (although Skype are working on killing that :/), there is a Hangouts API, but that's just for extending the GUI rather than having API control over doing calls, messages etc.
      - The Android app doesn't let me call numbers and expects me to call on my mobile plan instead.
      - It comes from a company that has a history of shutting down products unexpectedly with inadequate replacements, if any.

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  13. Is it just me by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is it just me, or is everything turning to shit?

    It seems like every service, site, and program I use is steadily being degraded, feature-ized and/or monetized until it's a steaming pile of shit.

    FFS, just leave stuff alone for a change. Stop "improving" everything until it no longer works. I'm so sick of this shit.

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    1. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Forgot to mention consolidation.

      i.e. "We could work with other api's, but then people may not be using our platform, so we gave decided to make our service only work for us."

    2. Re:Is it just me by antdude · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ditto. It bothers me too. I just keep using old stuff until I can't use them anymore.

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    3. Re:Is it just me by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Well there's the problem with relying on proprietary services and protocols...
      I can still use IRC, SIP, Email etc from any ancient device.

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    4. Re:Is it just me by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      I can still use IRC, SIP, Email etc from any ancient device.

      It's not that simple. For example, many of the people I need to communicate with don't and won't use IRC, but they'll use Skype. Now Skype is turning into trash.

      So should I try to convert all of them to IRC? No way, they just won't do it. It may better/faster/cooler/whatever, but the issue is that everyone they know is using Skype. Why would they switch away to a service that their friends and family aren't using?

      It's the same problem for people who want to use something other than Facebook- everyone is already on Facebook and they won't switch no matter what, period, end of story.

      You can get your own domain and use it for email, but you can't get your own Skype. Also, many of the larger email services just silently drop mail from various private domains, so they fuck you that way too. I have domains that have never spammed, never been on any blacklist, never behaved badly, and yet Yahoo simply will not deliver mail coming from them, period. But Yahoo, Hotmail, and GMail are allowed through even though all of those services are overflowing with spam accounts.

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    5. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is it just me, or is everything turning to shit?

      It seems like every service, site, and program I use is steadily being degraded, feature-ized and/or monetized until it's a steaming pile of shit.

      FFS, just leave stuff alone for a change. Stop "improving" everything until it no longer works. I'm so sick of this shit.

      You must be in the same bizarre dimension that I'm in; it's called the Shitverse. It's getting to the point that I'm just about ready to cancel my Internet connection and toss my computer and TV in the dumpster.

    6. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FFS, just leave stuff alone for a change. Stop "improving" everything until it no longer works. I'm so sick of this shit.

      It is not an improvement, it is not meant as an improvement, it's all about the telemetry. Microsoft can't have the peer-to-peer clients remain working because they don't go through Microsoft servers. This means Microsoft can't listen in, or data mine who you talk to.

    7. Re:Is it just me by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      It seems like every service, site, and program I use is steadily being degraded, feature-ized and/or monetized until it's a steaming pile of shit.

      Welcome to capitalism! ;)

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    8. Re:Is it just me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the past 10 years the only thing that has continued to improve without "updating" their interface is VLC.

  14. Ads by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    Yes, it is. Basically we are coming to a point where you have to login online to use a computer at all, you have no control over the applications, including how it updates, even patch notes are going by the wayside. Photoshop is no longer available standalone.

    There will never be a stop to the changes, because churn like that makes money. Be prepared for a future where you are constantly nudged to buy things, in every interaction you have. We have entered a really shitty era for personal computing.

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  15. Bye by Gabest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm still on 6.x. If they disable that, that is the end of my adventure with Skype. A chat window must be small, no sidebars, no conversation bubbles, no huge profile pics, because I keep it open on the desktop the whole time.

    1. Re:Bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are much better and secure alternatives out there.

      https://www.eff.org/secure-mes...

    2. Re:Bye by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same.

  16. Switch to a device that runs free software by tepples · · Score: 2

    Basically we are coming to a point where you have to login online to use a computer at all

    How will that be enforced? Why can't people just switch to free software? For example, instead of an iPad or a tablet or laptop running Windows 10 Cloud, buy a device running GNU/Linux or Android. Or instead of an iPhone, buy an Android phone and install the F-Droid store. Or instead of a PlayStation 4 or Xbox One, build a PC with SteamOS. What computing device class has no practical device that allows at least sideloading free software, if not replacing the operating system entirely with one that respects users' freedom?

  17. Mac Pro 1.1 will no longer be able to run Skype by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one of these, 3GHz 1st Gen (Intel) Mac Pro. It can only run Snow Leopard. The latest version of Skype will no longer run and I can't install a newer version of OS X or MacOs because Apple no longer supports this computer. A computer which is fast enough to run Final Cut Pro, Adobe Photoshop, etc.

  18. New Skype is Spyware and recompressing your images by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I really liked Skype but now everything runs via their servers, the only reason to disable P2P is that they can easily monitor the calls and messages. There are other issues: If someone sends a high resolution screenshot, they resize it in a 800x600 image where you cannot read the text anymore. But even a 800x600 photo gets recompressed. Because everything goes via a server, I cannot use Skype anymore to communicate with somebody in China. Every attachment gets stored in the cloud, you cannot send files directly anymore. If you send a link to someone (even if it is internal) the Skype servers will try to download it to show a preview, this preview also gets stored on their server. They say that attachments and images are "only" stored for 6 months, I have proof of links older than two years that are still accessible. Oh yes, these links are not protected, so if I send an attachment one-on-one, if somebody else finds that link a year later, it can still be downloaded without any authentication.

    What is a good alternative that supports video group chat?

  19. Skype is dead to me due to birthdate demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The latest Skype app demands that you enter your birthday. Skype then blasts this personal information over the internet. I've not logged into Skype once since this intrusive change. Screw Microsoft.

    1. Re:Skype is dead to me due to birthdate demand by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      What's to stop you entering random data?
      I have a skype account purely for communicating with a few colleagues, a few days ago i got a bunch of happy birthday messages from them although it wasnt my birthday. Turns out that skype notified them based on the date i had entered.

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    2. Re:Skype is dead to me due to birthdate demand by tsa · · Score: 1

      Wow, what a surprise. You know, I have that on FB too. What a coincidence.

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    3. Re:Skype is dead to me due to birthdate demand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One can only wonder, what Microsoft's customers pay for this data? According to my Skype profile, at first of January I turned 117 years. Do they really have any products who have entered real data to their Skype profiles?

  20. Re:New Skype is Spyware and recompressing your ima by Pelto · · Score: 2

    Don't understand why alternatives are not being discussed here. ekiga.org Jitsi.org Linphone.org All are based in France, oddly enough.

  21. Updated skype killed my Viao webcam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two Skype updates ago my older sony viao webcam no longer worked. It is not a driver or hardware issues, works fine elsewhere, but with the last Skype update it is kaput. And that is most annoying. I reinstalled an older version but once Microsoft decides to kill those off - I am screwed. Sigh. Yet another reason to dislike microsoft

  22. Stockhom syndrome by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

    You guys really need to treat your Stockholm Syndrome.

  23. Spyware by Nocturrne · · Score: 0

    Skype is one of the favorite surveillance tools of the US and Chinese governments. Why does anyone still use this?

  24. Re:New Skype is Spyware and recompressing your ima by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because sheep.

    btw Jitsi was bought by altassian, not french anymore :P

  25. But... I want to record by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had to roll back skype to 6.1 so Callburner would work now I'm toast. Any suggestions for recording Skype audio (both sides in separate tracks)?

  26. Re:New Skype is Spyware and recompressing your ima by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh and forgot to say that ekiga does not yet provide encryption.... :'(

  27. Re:New Skype is Spyware and recompressing your ima by dddux · · Score: 1

    Cos sheep. Simple. No brain, just following the leader no matter where it leads to.

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  28. Switch off to protect users by tepples · · Score: 1

    The deliberate switching off is done at the server for two reasons: to protect users from intruders (such as no longer supporting weak ciphers and hashes) and to keep the cost of continuing to serve users down. Would you prefer that your credentials be surreptitiously copied and reused because you refused to upgrade your OS to one that supports a hash currently believed to be strong?

    1. Re:Switch off to protect users by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the Skype and WhatsApp upgrades/forced upgrades have nothing to do with keys or credentials.
      And yes, worst case I would prefer to keep it "unsecure". Obviously I communicate nothing via WhatsApp or Skype that needs protection. For stuff like that I always use a secure way. And as my friends on WhatsApp or Skype are not in the child porn business all the pictures we exchange are ok and no one cares if they 'leak'.

      Skype needs the server only for initiating the connection. As soon as a call is running it is a p2p connection. Again any encryption is irrelevant, or only relevant for people with special needs or fear of eavesdropping on the line directly.

      The credentials used on WhatsApp and Skype are obviously unique to those services ... they can't be reused.

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    2. Re:Switch off to protect users by tepples · · Score: 1

      Sorry, the Skype and WhatsApp upgrades/forced upgrades have nothing to do with keys or credentials.

      You alone are probably unwilling to shoulder the entire cost of maintaining an additional "server only for initiating the connection" just for users of operating systems that are no longer supported.

      And yes, worst case I would prefer to keep it "unsecure".

      Would you say the same about your device's operating system? If it has a vulnerability that its publisher is no longer willing to fix, an attacker can compromise your device and add it to the attacker's botnet.

      And as my friends on WhatsApp or Skype are not in the child porn business

      If an attacker can copy your friend's session, the attacker can send images of sexual abuse as if your friend had sent them.

      all the pictures we exchange are ok and no one cares if they 'leak'.

      Images of sexual abuse are not the only thing that people are unwilling to leak. Another is trade secrets.

      Skype needs the server only for initiating the connection. As soon as a call is running it is a p2p connection.

      Is a voice or video call P2P even if both sides are behind NAT? Is chat P2P?

      The credentials used on WhatsApp and Skype are obviously unique to those services

      Microsoft account (formerly Passport.net) credentials can be used on not only Skype but also on numerous other services.

    3. Re:Switch off to protect users by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      OSes don't have security issues that effect a single APP.
      And yes, all communication after the connection is established is a P2P connection.

      Microsoft account (formerly Passport.net) credentials can be used on not only Skype but also on numerous other services. That is why *I* and most people I know, use a Skype account for Skype, and not ... what exactly is the name of your account?

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    4. Re:Switch off to protect users by tepples · · Score: 1

      OSes don't have security issues that effect a single APP.

      If your operating system has a vulnerability, this means an attacker can surreptitiously install a keylogger that intercepts your passwords and other credentials used in a single app.

      That is why *I* and most people I know, use a Skype account for Skype, and not ... what exactly is the name of your account?

      If you want to continue this discussion privately, my Microsoft account is d_yerrick [strudel] hotmail [full stop] com.

    5. Re:Switch off to protect users by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Yes, and such a vulnerability has nothing to d with the APP that is running. That is my point. So making the app stop running and say: upgrade to new version, and "new version" only runs on a newer version of the OS helps no one.

      The discussion is pretty pointless as you don't seem to get my point ;D

      But bonus points for using the word "strudel" ... no pun, uh, point, intended ;D!

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  29. Anti-impersonation by tepples · · Score: 1

    So making the app stop running and say: upgrade to new version, and "new version" only runs on a newer version of the OS helps no one.

    It helps protect the user base at large from harassment by impersonators using keylogged credentials of users that a particular user trusts.

    1. Re:Anti-impersonation by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      No it does not.

      It is simply a harassment of the provider of the App.

      You can not install a key logger on iOS or macOS ... and if you had a key logger you still would need access to stuff like the users name etc. which is stored in the Apps private storage.

      Even with a hackable system like many Android versions it is extremely difficult to capture the credentials of a user using Skype or WhatsApp.

      Probably you have not the history of my posts. So I rephrase:

      WhatsApp started to give a message around mid 2016 on the start up screen that it will stop working at 1st of january 2017 and around 7th indeed it did. Asking to upgrade to the newest version. It does this regularly ... every few month or year the old version simply stops working with the message: you have to upgrade.

      For that there is no "technical" reason but only some obscure business reason ...+
      It is fucking MY decision if I upgrade an App or an OS on MY device. Not the decision of an App manufactor. Get it now? Regardless what he thinks he is doing good for me. I don't use WhatsApp or Skype to do online banking ... so what the fuck should even be the risk if someone gets my credentials? Telling my GF that it is over?

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