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ISRO Makes History, Launches 104 Satellites With Single Rocket (indiatimes.com)

neo12 writes: Indian Space Research Organization (ISRO) made history by launching 104 satellites in a single launch. The lift-off of PSLVC 37 at 9.28 am from Sriharikota was a perfect one. In 28 minutes, all 104 satellites were successfully placed into the Earth's orbit. 101 of the 104 satellites belong to six foreign countries, including 96 from the U.S. and one each from Israel, the UAE, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Kazakhstan. According to Times of India, "Russian Space Agency held a record of launching 37 satellites in one go during its mission in June 2014. India previously launched 23 satellites in a single mission in June 2015."

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  1. An example for rest of the nation. by kamathln · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If only the rest of the nation was as effecient as ISRO!

    1. Re: An example for rest of the nation. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you seen their train system? They have a much higher passenger to vehicle ratio.

    2. Re: An example for rest of the nation. by kavuri · · Score: 2

      In Seattle, single occupants get the entire bus to themselves.

      what a waste of resources

    3. Re:An example for rest of the nation. by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Donald Trump will soon put a stop to this.

      96 American satellites had to be launched by a third world country? That doesn't make America look great.

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    4. Re: An example for rest of the nation. by kelemvor4 · · Score: 1

      Have you seen their train system? They have a much higher passenger to vehicle ratio.

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pini...

    5. Re:An example for rest of the nation. by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      How is that even possible?

      I am guessing that he has aides

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    6. Re: An example for rest of the nation. by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

      Have you seen their train system? They have a much higher passenger to vehicle ratio.

      https://s-media-cache-ak0.pini...

      OK. People that get scraped off before they reach their detestation don't count!

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    7. Re: An example for rest of the nation. by SumDog · · Score: 1

      I ride the buses and train in Seattle, ever day. They're packed, every day. You have obviously never ridden one ever.

    8. Re: An example for rest of the nation. by IMightB · · Score: 1

      I don't think toilets as we know them exist in India... Toilets are just called Outside.

    9. Re:An example for rest of the nation. by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      There are no third world or fourth world countries anymore since decades.
      There are only countries like Somalia where War Lords rule and make the life miserabel or third world like.

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    10. Re: An example for rest of the nation. by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      Every bus system has routes that run nearly empty at the end of the day.
      He's just trying to use those few routes as a poorly constructed troll against the entire system.
      And yeah, he likely has never ridden one. That would just screw up his predetermined world view.

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    11. Re:An example for rest of the nation. by kamathln · · Score: 1

      I am from India. I am just saying rest of the nation (India) should follow on ISRO when it comes to efficiency)

    12. Re:An example for rest of the nation. by kamathln · · Score: 1

      Why do slashdotters think America is the only country which reads Slashdot?

    13. Re:An example for rest of the nation. by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      Truly embarrassing, I guess we just voted out a third world dictator according to you.

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  2. Adding to space junk, satellite by satellite by hughbar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is great, technically speaking. However, here's a little article from the BBC on the current space junk problem: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/scie... Just look at the statistics at the bottom of the article.

    We've managed to fill near-earth with almost as much rubbish as the surface, the actual atmosphere and (more recently reported) the depths of the sea: https://www.theguardian.com/en...

    I love tech, but we need urgently to work on its by-products.

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    1. Re:Adding to space junk, satellite by satellite by quenda · · Score: 4, Funny

      We've managed to fill near-earth with almost as much rubbish as the surface, ...

      Not been to India, have you?

    2. Re:Adding to space junk, satellite by satellite by ghoul · · Score: 1

      And with this comment you have contributed to junk in cyberspace

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  3. among the launched birds... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Among the foreign satellites, 88 cube satellites belonged to San Francisco-based earth imaging startup Planet. With the launch, the company has increased its fleet to 143 satellites which will soon begin capturing images of the earth's entire landmass, including India, every day.

    so, just another 88 spy satellites?

    yup.

    https://www.planet.com/markets...

    1. Re: among the launched birds... by SumterLiving · · Score: 1

      If you want your privacy, don't share anything, don't own anything and never, ever go outside when one of the evil satellites will be able to view you from above.

    2. Re:among the launched birds... by Solandri · · Score: 1

      These are cube sats, so they only produce images with a resolution of about 3-5 meters. Not really enough to make out cars on roads. The smallest recognizable object is about house-sized. Their imagery is of more interest to earth and atmospheric scientists.

      Resolution of a telescope is inversely proportional to the diameter of its optics. Spy satellite resolution is about 13 cm, or 5 inches - an ex-NRO official is on record stating that they could see how many plates you set out on a picnic table. To get that resolution, the primary optic needs to be about 2.4 meters in diameter.* Which not-so-coincidentally is the diameter of Hubble's primary mirror. Hubble's size was dictated by the Space Shuttle's cargo bay, and the cargo bay was designed to hold (among other things) a Keyhole spy satellite for launch, maintenance, and refueling. Hubble is basically a spy satellite pointed up instead of down.

      * Your primary optic doesn't have to be round. It's possible to create a larger synthetic aperture via an interferometer - two (or more) small mirrors separated by a large distance. You lose signal to noise ratio (which shouldn't be a problem for something brightly lit by sunlight), but gain resolution as if your optics were a mirror with the diameter of the separation between your small mirrors. I suspect newer spy satellites are of this design, giving them much higher resolution (the primary constraint would then be atmospheric turbulence). The unfurling mirror design of the James Webb Space Telescope relies on the same mechanics as would be needed for an interferometer spy satellite. This isn't really viable with cube satellites - the mirrors have to be aligned to within a fraction of a wavelength of light to create an interferometer, so a large rigid structure is crucial.

    3. Re: among the launched birds... by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      " (that leaves out you, me, and most people)" - well, until the nearest grand leak.
      Don't worry, it will happen sooner or later.

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    4. Re: among the launched birds... by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      And you couldn't monitor Foxconn from the ground, with say, binoculars or something?

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    5. Re:among the launched birds... by onepoint · · Score: 1

      very interesting. Now let me just ask, cell phone camera's. Very very small, but I think I could mount a few 20 to 40 on a basic cube sat. which could be ridged. would that work as a basic concept? shoot up to the sky and act as a very big looking bug eye?

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  4. Not a space junk problem by dbIII · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Not a space junk problem:
    1/ They won't stay up for many years, they don't have the fuel to do it.
    2/ We know exactly where every one of them is, where they are going and can work out where they will be at any time for weeks ahead within a very small margin of error.

    Anything else you want cleared up? I'm no rocket scientist but I had a good one explain the pathetically easy stuff to me a few decades back.

    1. Re:Not a space junk problem by hughbar · · Score: 1

      Until we don't. And actually, we know the position of most of the pieces of space junk too. We just have no idea how to clear it: http://www.forbes.com/sites/ji...

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    2. Re:Not a space junk problem by dbIII · · Score: 1

      You linked to Forbes? Why not Playboy? Why not a Nintendo gaming magazine? Both would be more credible sources.

    3. Re:Not a space junk problem by dbIII · · Score: 1

      OK then - outline how those two points are incorrect.

    4. Re:Not a space junk problem by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      These satellites are at an altitude of 500 km, so it will take a few decades for their orbits to decay.

    5. Re:Not a space junk problem by gman003 · · Score: 1

      Is that apogee or perigee altitude? I can't imagine these tiny satellites had enough propellant for a circularization burn, but I couldn't find any more detailed orbital parameters. A relatively elliptical orbit would have their orbit decay much faster.

    6. Re:Not a space junk problem by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 2

      The problem has grown considerably in a couple of decades, I didn't mean to imply it was incorrect, as we haven't yet had a problem, just that we are fast approaching the point where it will become a major problem for launches. It takes very little to critically damage a spaceship, especially at orbital speeds.

      NASA is taking it seriously.

      We currently track over 500,000 pieces of space debris. There are many times that amount of smaller, untrackable objects, to small to track, to large to shield against. It took 40 years to put 10,000 softball size objects into orbit, it took only 10 more to double that.

      There have fortunately only been a handful of collisions. But it does get more likely each year.

      I wasn't trolling you, merely pointing out the problem is much less simple than it was a couple of decades ago and getting worse, as much of it is in high orbits that take decades or longer to decay.
      I think you may enjoy these links.

      My sources:

      https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/station/news/orbital_debris.html

      https://www.orbitaldebris.jsc.nasa.gov/

      Very interesting reading. Have a good one dblll.

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    7. Re:Not a space junk problem by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      I am not an orbital scientist or anything, but I am thinking that the space around our planet is pretty vast. I am guessing that every single man-made object orbiting earth wouldn't even fill the borders of a small town.

      And not everything orbits in the same plane.

      I am not saying that space junk isn't a potential problem but I am guessing that the chances of encountering one is pretty small even if we add 1000x more stuff.

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    8. Re:Not a space junk problem by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      That's fine until one gets hit by another bit of space debris, splitting into multiple warheads each with enough kinetic energy do put holes in other satellites.

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    9. Re:Not a space junk problem by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      When NASA did the Hubble servicing missions, they brought some parts back to Earth for examination. They found hundreds of micrometeoroid hits. Most of them tiny (from e.g. flecks of paint), but at a speed difference measured in km/s even small particles are a big problem.

    10. Re:Not a space junk problem by angel'o'sphere · · Score: 1

      Well, if I get your name as a reference correctly, you should know better.
      Near earth space is full with junk, and that is a problem since decades.
      Of course it is not floating around at the same place ... that would be no problem. It is orbiting with extrmely high speeds at 'arbitrary' orbits intersecting with new objects we want to put up there.
      The chances to encaunter one is actually pretty high, not small.

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    11. Re:Not a space junk problem by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean to imply it was incorrect

      Then you should not have attempted to link it with a completely different space junk problem.
      Your sources of course are factual but have nothing to do with what I wrote.

      These satellites in question have a very limited life before they deorbit. They hit enough gas in LEO that they are on the way down in a few years without enough propellant to keep them up to speed.

    12. Re:Not a space junk problem by dbIII · · Score: 1

      What it says in that Forbes article doesn't refute what I wrote, is not really even on the same topic and is dumbed down to uselessness as expected of Forbes.

    13. Re:Not a space junk problem by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Read the post by gman003 to lose that certainty (plus still wrong without extra propellant even if it's circular).

    14. Re:Not a space junk problem by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      Cubesats are at a fraction of the velocity necessary to maintain an orbit

      um, no. They are exactly at orbital velocity or they wouldn't be in orbit at all.
      And their orbital decay has nothing to do with the Van Allen belts, but with atmospheric drag.

    15. Re:Not a space junk problem by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

      These satellites were launched into a heliosynchronous orbit according to the article. If the article is correct that means an orbit between 600 and 1000 km (372 to 621 miles). The ISS and the Hubble orbit much lower (400km/249m 568km/568m).
      So while these satellites cannot maintain those orbits, it will take decades for them to fall to earth.

      Most definitely contributing to the problem.

      I assume you were unaware of the characteristics of a polar sun synchronous orbit as you thought they would quickly re-enter due to lack of fuel.

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  5. Not one positve comment! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Its a new low for /. community!

  6. Fantastic achievement by ISRO by kavuri · · Score: 2

    Awesome achievement. Trying to imagine the kind of brains behind this feat given the meager financial resources they have to deal with

    1. Re:Fantastic achievement by ISRO by kavuri · · Score: 1

      Wakeup call UK to end financial aid to India by 2015 - http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-pol...

    2. Re:Fantastic achievement by ISRO by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      UK resident, Makes me wonder why we pay india millions in aid

      Because UK looted by the billions from India for 400 years?

    3. Re:Fantastic achievement by ISRO by Gavagai80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The UK "civilized" India by taking what had been the largest, most thriving economy on the planet with thousands of years of rich culture admired by Europeans, and turning it into a poverty-stricken corrupt backwater?

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    4. Re:Fantastic achievement by ISRO by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      That's like calling raping native women "enrichment of the populace's genetic pool".

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    5. Re:Fantastic achievement by ISRO by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You might say they civilized them, to the extent possible.

      For various weird definitions of 'civilization'.

      Warm Beer.
      Chutney.
      Cricket.
      Driving on the wrong side of the road (although this appears to be optional, like all motor vehicle laws).

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    6. Re:Fantastic achievement by ISRO by asvravi · · Score: 1

      A British journalist had asked Mahatma Gandhi: "What do you think of western civilization?"
      Gandhi: "I think it is a good idea"

  7. Well done!! by manojkg · · Score: 2

    Congratulations team !! .... Well done

  8. Re:Bring them on !!! by pslytely+psycho · · Score: 1

    Ah, the new normal. Make a small minded insult and get modded insightful.

    The only thing insightful about this comment is we get to see just how small, insecure and partisan this AC is.

    We are living the old curse:
    May you live in interesting times.....

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  9. An another big history by India by sandipsing465 · · Score: 1

    It's another big history for India by launching 104 satellites through 1 rocket. Congrats to all the ISRO team for their efforts on the successful launch.

  10. Both UAE and Israel in same launch? by luvirini · · Score: 1

    The Indians may have "forgotten" to tell the launch customers in those two countries about that..

  11. Tracking 104 pieces in space by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    104 new pieces of space junk to track.

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  12. Well done India by Chrisq · · Score: 1

    Bahaut acha hen

  13. Only for three to five years until they deorbit by raymorris · · Score: 2

    88 of the satellites are in an orbit less than 500KM altitude. Due to drag from the thermosphere, they'll gradually slow down and fall to a lower altitude. They'll break up and burn up at about 80KM three to five years from now.

  14. * AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by raymorris · · Score: 1

    I should have said AT LEAST 88 of them are in the low orbit. The rest of them probably are as well. So no real problem of creating space junk here. They'll be gone in about five years.

    1. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      No *current* problem. But a risk.

      Every satellite can fail, and get out of control. The more satellites, the higher the chance.

      As two satellites crash, they create thousands of tiny debris of space junk - that can crash in other satellites creating more space junk. Some of that junk will be sent into higher orbits (due to energy of the crash), endangering other satellites and creating more space junk that will take longer to decay...

      We're not far from the Kessler Syndrome. I don't mind a launch that delivers one or five good 1-ton satellites. But the hundreds of cubesats give me creeps.

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    2. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      I'd be curious to see the worst case of how much delta-v can be induced into a piece of debris during a collision. Are we talking a apogee change of 1km? 10km? 100km? Even if we assume that 100% of the momentum shift is along the prograde vector..

      We're not far from the Kessler Syndrome. I don't mind a launch that delivers one or five good 1-ton satellites. But the hundreds of cubesats give me creeps.

      Since Kessler Syndrome is based on the exponential growth of the number of collisions (and the positive feedback loop of collisions -> debris -> more collisions), it doesn't really matter how many more satellites we put up there. Eventually, we'll end up in effectively the same place. Kessler syndrome is bound to happen, it's just a matter of when and whether we can effectively deal with it. The only caveat is if we can manage to come up with some kind of effective garbage collection method.

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    3. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      At perpendicular collision, the max speed change would be sqrt(2) of the original... or exactly the Earth escape speed. So no orbit around Earth would be safe.

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    4. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      Also - don't neglect natural decay. Kessler syndrome depends on density (number) of satellites+debris in orbit. The number is naturally falling as orbits decay - and grows with new deployments and/or crashes.

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    5. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      This assumes both objects are of the same mass, both are traveling at the same speed, that the collision is perfectly elastic, that one object transfers 100% of it's momentum into the other (i.e. it is motionless after the collision), and that none of the momentum is transferred into rotational motion.

      That is a lot of assumptions even accepting the premise that 2 objects collide perpendicularly, with both objects traveling at orbital speeds, which is pretty unlikely. I guess if two objects with a 90deg inclination between them crossed orbits at exactly the same time.

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    6. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      It's a good rough estimate. A very small number of shards will move a little faster than that, most will move slower. This is the max any considerable number of shards can reach.

      These new satellites are in polar orbit, so collision with (not all that uncommon) equatorial orbit satellites will be perpendicular. And ALL objects in orbit are traveling at orbital speed or very close to it, so is that really what you meant?

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    7. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      I meant relative to each other.

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    8. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      http://space.stackexchange.com...

      actual collision that happened, near-perpendicular. No detectable shards on escape trajectory, but quite a few in a considerably higher orbit.

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    9. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      The first answer is pretty interesting:

      With the satellites in LEO, relatively few debris will end up with velocity higher than at the impact moment, while moving at roughly similar trajectory as initially. That means most debris scattered in random directions would enter elliptical orbits with velocity roughly similar to initial at the point of impact. And that means apoapsis going significantly up, and periapsis - down. And lowering the periapsis significantly in LEO means one thing: reentry.

      About all the debris that were knocked out of circular orbits, by the time of two revolutions later were already burned up, whether going directly down from the impact, or going up towards the new apoapsis, and then heading down almost a revolution later.

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    10. Re:* AT LEAST 88 of them, probably all by SharpFang · · Score: 1

      While that's all true, A LOT of debris don't end up in random stable orbits everywhere. A tiny percentage of the total, but still a large number, simply due to the absolutely massive total.

      The crash literally produces millions of pieces. Metal splashes droplets everywhere. Solar panels turn to shards. Electronics scattered in tiny pieces. All these can cause damage to other satellites and produce more debris. And even if 0.5% of them end up in a moderately higher orbit, once you have full-scale Kessler syndrome at one orbital altitude, it's only a matter of time until it spreads to all of them.

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  15. Bravo, India! by OneHundredAndTen · · Score: 1

    Now that you have won the latest pissing contest, why not devote at least some funds to improving the lives of the more than 600 million Indian citizens who lack running water, electricity and sewage? Just a thought, you know, so that the rest of the world will stop thinking that you have a big huge chip on your shoulder.

    1. Re:Bravo, India! by ghoul · · Score: 1

      India is a capitalist democracy. The 600 million are given a chance to succeed in a free market. If they dont its not the govts job to make sure losers succeed.
      India is not being run by DOnald Trump.

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    2. Re:Bravo, India! by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 1

      This is not a pissing contest.

      Do you think that the ISRO launched these for free? They nearly tripled the previous record of the number of satellites in a single launch. It was probably, by far, the cheapest per-satellite launch cost ever. This will potentially have a huge net-benefit for the Indian economy, as other countries and companies flock to them for future launches.

      Also, something not noted in TFS (but in TFA): these satellites were launched into a polar orbit, which requires significantly more delta-v, due to the fact that you can't use the momentum from the Earth's rotation to your benefit.

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  16. Americans littering again by Thud457 · · Score: 1

    96 of the cubesats in that clown car in space are American.
    Tragedy of the commons all over again.

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  17. Why so negative? by qaqa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Whenever there's a story / discussion involving India, comments on Slashdot are almost always overwhelmingly negative with "ad-hominem" attacks all around. For example, this discussion thread does not have a single comment discussing the technical aspects of the launch - a launch of 100+ satellites is bound to have some interesting technical challenges which can be discussed. Instead comments are lame jokes about H1Bs and comments on how India shouldn't spend money on space missions. Slashdot was supposed to be a "news for nerds" site, where the nerds can actually discuss technology. It's sad to see what it has degenerated into.

    1. Re:Why so negative? by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      ad-hominem attacks help make America great again...

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  18. Re:North Korea by SharpFang · · Score: 2

    Depends on orbit, but yes, look up Kessler Syndrome.

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  19. Re:yu0 f4il i7 n00b by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    I don't think the Gulf monarchies have all that much influence over ISIS.

    The lack of recent successful terrorist attacks in Israel is the result of an their absolutely paranoid security levels.

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  20. Re:yu0 f4il i7 n00b by RevDisk · · Score: 1

    Not that I'm entirely biased towards Israel (they don't treat non-terrorist Palestinians the best), but I don't think it's exactly "paranoid" when all of your neighbors have tried to kill you at least once. In most cases, several times. And have one or two terrorist attacks in addition to full out wars. And a couple countries routinely chant death to their entire country, possibly all the inhabitants as well. Though I hear the Iranian President is trying to get "Death to Israel" labels removed from their ballistic missiles.

    At some point, "absolutely paranoid security levels" become "probably appropriate, but could be more tactful about it especially when dealing with not involved third parties".

  21. Re:That's not the reason he's upset. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I myself am tired of people who point to things they don't understand and state with certainty that it supports their unfounded conclusions when they do nothing of the sort. This goes way beyond simply not knowing something.

  22. Re:North Korea by onepoint · · Score: 1

    I've really looked at this problem, couple of issues came up
    A) Why did they choose Tungsten Carbide instead of Eglin steel. just does not seem as effective
    B) unless the design is conical in nature, 30% of Ball bearings are going towards earth ( could be a lot more if it's a ball design or tube design )
    C) in any case, upon a Kessler Syndrome happening, space exploration would stop for 25 to 50 years unless someone comes up with a way to clean up space ( maybe a world wide concerted effort with lasers to clear a basic launch path. )

    so the next step is for someone to create the clean up device.

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  23. 1 in 5 Cubesats Violates International Orbit Dispo by Traf-O-Data-Hater · · Score: 1

    This article is interesting reading: 1 in 5 Cubesats Violates International Orbit Disposal Guidelines http://spacenews.com/1-in-5-cu...

  24. Re:That's not the reason he's upset. by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Fair enough then, please point out the errors that I made with those two points.
    That is far more productive than grumbling and saying I "don't understand".
    Tell me what I do not understand and what the real answer is.
    I am an engineer not a rocket scientist so I could be wrong even on something so trivialially simple. Am I? How do you know?

  25. Re:That's not the reason he's upset. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    No, you are the upset person. The AC was saying that you were rude in saying that the stuff was pathetically easy.

  26. Re:That's not the reason he's upset. by dbIII · · Score: 1

    With the greatest possible respect, since I'm sure you are good at something, most children over ten with access to a television in the Apollo era could have told you exactly what I had written.

  27. Re:You still misunderstand me by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I was defending your ire.

  28. Re:You still misunderstand me by dbIII · · Score: 1

    Sorry about that Chief.

  29. Re:North Korea by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    A) prolly propaganda reasons.

    B) depends on deployment mechanism. Imagine a charge shooting the payload like a shotgun in prograde direction. Most of the balls will not descend considerably.

    C) it certainly is slowed down a lot and made much more risky. We're not sure about full extent of consequences.

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  30. Re:Whatever by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Well they might have shown some attitude when a student acted like they were so sure about something and used examples that didn't support their wild assertions like the previous post just did, but you are ignoring what that post did for your narrative. Not only that, you are also completely clueless about the exchange between me and the other person. We weren't arguing about how smart we think everyone else should be. I defended his ire, but he thought I was attacking his stance and the exchange was to clear that up.