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Lost Winston Churchill Essay Reveals His Thoughts On Alien Life (theverge.com)

"A newly discovered essay by Winston Churchill shows that the British statesman gave a lot of thought to the existential question that has inspired years of scientific research and blockbuster movies: are we alone in the University?" reports The Verge. "The essay was drafted in the 1930s, but unearthed in a museum in Missouri last year." Astrophysicist Mario Livio was the first scientist to analyze the article and has published his comments in the journal Nature. The Verge reports: Livio was "stunned" when he first saw the unpublished, 11-page essay on the existence of alien life, he tells The Verge. The astrophysicist was visiting Westminster College in Fulton, Missouri, for a talk last year, when he was approached by Timothy Riley, the director of Fulton's US National Churchill Museum. Riley showed him the essay, titled "Are We Alone in the Universe?" In the essay, Churchill reasons that we can't possibly be alone in the Universe -- and that many other Suns will likely have many other planets that could harbor life. Because of how enormously distant these extrasolar planets are, we may never know if they "house living creatures, or even plants," Churchill concludes. He wrote this decades before exoplanets were discovered in the 1990s; hundreds have since been detected. What's impressive about the essay is the way Churchill approaches the existential and scientific question of whether life exists on other planets, Livio says. Churchill's reasoning mirrors extremely well the way scientists think about this problem today. The British leader also talks about several theories that still guide the search for alien life, Livio says. For example, he notes that water is the key ingredient for life on Earth, and so finding water on other planets could mean finding life there. Churchill also notes that life can only survive in regions "between a few degrees of frost and the boiling point of water" -- what today we call the habitable zone, the region around a star that is neither too hot or too cold, so that liquid water may exist on the planet's surface.

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  1. Well... by ColaMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't know if we are *truly* alone in the University, but it sure is empty here in the proof-reading department.

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  2. It's good to be reminded by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'Intellectual' used to be an admired quality in a leader.

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    1. Re:It's good to be reminded by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But these days - in America at least - intellectuals trained in the same classical tradition as Winston Churchill are derided as beholden to the white male patriarchy. Hell, even figures previously associated with high minded ideals and liberty like Thomas Jefferson are now considered personas non grata. Meanwhile, the typical modern university does its best to train Alinskyite radicals.

      Of course intellectuals are disdained. Thought is dead.

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    2. Re:It's good to be reminded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Anti-intellectualism in America is nothing new. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    3. Re:It's good to be reminded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or, apparently, the rest of the world.

      Remember, Romanticism was a rejection of the Age of Enlightenment characterized by its emphasis on emotion and glorification of nature. Sounds a lot like the internet these days.

    4. Re:It's good to be reminded by Maritz · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't have an opinion on this yet, because the only way it's come to my attention is through a highly biased source (you).

      However I see one red flag straight away. Headline "Yale Students Demand English Department Stop Teaching White Male Poets".

      Actual quote: "It is unacceptable that a Yale student considering studying English literature might read only white male authors."

      You just conflated "ban teaching of white poets" with "we don't want ONLY white poets".

      Did you conflate the two on purpose because your arguments are so weak as to only be applicable to straw men, or did you conflate the two because you're stupid and incapable of nuanced thought? Inquiring minds want to know.

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    5. Re:It's good to be reminded by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Informative

      They're DEMANDING that "Major English Poets" not be taught at all - by the university English Literature department - because they're white Europeans.

      Are you unaware that "Major English Poets" is the name of a series of classes? And that those classes are a requirement for all students? (Citation)

      So they're not demanding the removal of all major English poets as crybaby snowflakes like you seem to think, they just seem to want that series of classes replaced with something more diverse. Something which could include Shakespeare but _also_ non-Europeans. (Or maybe they'd be okay with just eliminating "Major English Poets" as a singular requirement and allowing students to pick from a diverse set of literature classes to fulfill their requirement instead.)

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  3. Ahead of his time by poodlediagram · · Score: 4, Interesting

    He also wrote:

    "Might not a bomb no bigger than an orange be found to possess a secret power to destroy a whole block of buildings -- nay, to concentrate the force of a thousand tons of cordite and blast a township at a stroke? Could not explosives even of the existing type be guided automatically in flying machines by wireless or other rays, without a human pilot, in ceaseless procession upon a hostile city, arsenal, camp or dockyard?"

    in 1924.

    1. Re:Ahead of his time by Rei · · Score: 4

      Yes, but nuclear weapons were not. Don't get me wrong, people were speculating about harnessing the energy of the atom for weapons. H. G. Wells coined the term "atomic bomb" in 1914 in "The World Set Free", but they were like ordinary bombs that continued exploding for days. Heinlein wrote about the development of a nuclear weapon to end World War II 1940 ("Solution Unsatisfactory"), but it was about a dirty bomb. If you have anything from before 1925(*) that's so accurate of a description of what nuclear weapons actually were, I'd like to see it. He got the minimum size wrong, but apart from that, that's pretty prophetic.

      (*) - That quote was published in 1929 and written in 1925.

      BTW, the autopilot invented in 1914 was just a self-leveling system with a compass - it wouldn't be anywhere near accurate enough for guiding flying weapons. Flying weapons "by wireless or other rays", aka remote controlled (passive or active) aircraft is an entirely different thing. Something that actually was done in World War II, but a decade and a half after Churchill wrote that.

      This doesn't make him some sort of Nostradamus, but it does mean that he was paying close attention to the technological developments of his time and thinking over their implications with an analytic mind.

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  4. Re: Anthropological principle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Plus, all those conversations with The Doctor probably stimulated his thinking on the issue.

  5. H G Wells by AHuxley · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Winston Churchill connection to H G Wells was well known.
    The why of Frederick Lindermann who was liked over a lot of other staff and the design of the British nuclear project.
    Lindermann sent Churchill a book on nuclear physics in 1926 and gave a talk that ensured Churchill was ready for nuclear issues.
    H G Wells was just one of the people Churchill kept in contact given the interest in The World Set Free https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/....
    So Churchill had been reading and meeting a lot of interesting people over many decades. Given the early contact with Wells and the topics in his books,
    Churchill was much more ready for nuclear e.g. the work of Frederick Soddy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... and space topics.
    That later interest in science, nuclear weapons was what saved the UK's nuclear weapons design work from the USA.
    The "other planets" question would have been talked about a lot given the interest in H G Wells.
    What can political leaders learn from this? Read a lot, be interesting and talk a lot to the best minds of your generation.
    Find the scientist who can speak about emerging topics and who can hold a conversation. The best scientists to work on any project are easy to find later on.
    Never trust another nation with your own science, they will not share or give back.
    That allowed the UK to be ready for a nuclear future.

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    1. Re:H G Wells by AHuxley · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tube Alloys has most of the history of the UK's nuclear efforts, thanks to early political and science leadership.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
      By the time the UK worked out the US would not be sharing back, it was too late. Th UK had given the US most of what it had.
      After WW2 the UK had to work on its own projects.

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  6. Re:Anthropological principle by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you mean the anthropic principle. It doesn't state that the Universe "tweaked" its laws for intelligent life to exist, as if this is some active on-going process. It just means that we can only exist in a Universe in which the laws of physics allow us to exist.

    Would such an universe be left extremely vulnerable to few mad men who could destroy intelligent life at the touch of buttons or some cosmic phenomena destroying intelligent life on the only planet?

    Absolutely, why not? The laws of physics allowed us to evolve, and those same laws of physics allow us to be wiped out by an asteroid, a nuclear war, a gamma ray burst, or a plague (man-made or otherwise). They are not mutually exclusive scenarios.

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  7. Re:SIR winston churchill ! by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Tsss, no education!

    I, for one, leave off the "sir" nonsense deliberately, as I do not give one whit for who your queen reveres. We got the right to ignore that crap when we kicked British arse.

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  8. Maybe he just wanted to shoot them in cold blood? by Uberbah · · Score: 5, Informative

    The western, romanticized image of Churchill is of the stoic rock that beat the Nazis in WWII, bravely leading the British people to oppose fascism while America dithered.

    The rest of his bio is rounded out by his fond nostalgia for shooting "savages" in Africa - i.e. blacks not yet subjugated by European colonialism. And the post WWII crushing of Kenya's rebellion against British rule, where you'd have a hard time looking at the treatment of prisoners and thinking you weren't hearing descriptions of a Nazi concentration camp. Shit like shoving sand in anuses with metal rods, crushing men's testicles and shoving glass into women's vaginas. "I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes" was a real knee-slapper, too.

    Churchill wasn't opposed to barbarous tranny, as long as it was coming from his own country.

  9. Re:Anthropological principle by uohcicds · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, it might a be a slightly garbled statement of the Strong Anthropic Principle, which posits that in some kind of deterministic way, the laws of nature are fashioned to ensure that intelligent life (specifically, us) will result. Personally, I find that slightly presumptuous.

    The Weak Anthropic Principle, however, posits that the laws of nature are what they are, and intelligent life (specifically, us) is simply the serendipitous by-product of the way that things happen to be. In a universe of this size, the probability that such an event might happen at least once, somewhere, must be close to 1, one might think.

    I think the difference is how deterministic you think the mechanics of the universe are, and how important we are within that situation.

    Personally, I'm an agnostic atheist, which brings me to the Weak side, but even that doesn't deny the existence of a non-interventionist God. Take your pick.

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  10. Re:Anthropological principle by Bongo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One thing which gets left out is ... I hate to say this but ... consciousness. We know matter exists, and we know consciousness exists, but we really don't know the first thing about how consciousness works. I don't mean information processing, because eventually any robot will be able to do everything a human does, as it is just about having a machine that's processing inputs and converting those to behaviours.

    No, the real mystery is why such a robot would even need to be sentient. There is no reason why humans, as we are, need to be sentient. We are just biological machines. We could go about performing human functions and communications all running our complex brains just as we are, just not sentient, not experiencing any of it. One human could say to another, "I love you" as simply a code for certain information which gets processed into various probabilities of scenarios for future survival, and so on. Even poetry can come down to that, given we're now starting to develop machines which can work with intuitive patterns.

    So that leaves consciousness as a) totally irrelevant and b) the most core part of our existence as sentient experiencing humans, humans watching the movie of their lives.

    A lot of people tend to dismiss consciousness as just a byproduct, but that's maybe just because it is so hard to study that any self respecting person stays well clear of it. But it is also known as the "hard problem" and it is so "hard" that some say we'll need to start thinking about consciousness as another law of the universe, along with the other fundamental laws. And that would eventually start to modify these "anthropic" principles in some way.

    As for "gods" well, humans have always had very powerful imaginations, and we make stories, but that's a separate thing altogether, and those stories about identity and belonging are perhaps seen as survival strategies between groups, where rather than physically fight another group, you just reprogram them to act as if they are part of your group already, "owning" as it were, without destroying.

    And even if one puts aside survival questions, and one assumes there may be an afterlife, it really is up for grabs what form that could take, as the possibilities are endless and in my mind, either you die and disappear in which case you don't know you're dead, or something else, which could be anything. Nobody knows. But I digress.

    Back to the point, ideas like the anthropic principle tend to go a bit too far with their conclusions given that they take no account of consciousness and what part that plays in existence and the cosmos.

    And inventing trillions of trillions of other universes as a way to explain why this one happened to be tuned just right for us, is hand-waving and as made up as any myth which was made up as an ad-hoc explanation. An explanation isn't more rigorous just because it avoids mentioning gods or turtles.

    We don't know why matter was tuned just right, and we don't know what consciousness is, and we don't know if there is life out there. Although there's no reason to think that Earth is special. I mean, it is more like the naughty corner if anything, you get sent here and ignored until you learn to calm down and behave. (See, stories.)

  11. Re:SIR winston churchill ! by Rei · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you were writing that hundreds of years ago, that's be a perfectly normal statement. Queen comes from Old English cwen (queen, woman, wife) - having originally been in the context of "wife (of a king)", and only later to refer only specifically to royals. It stems from the proto-germanic kwoeniz (wife), from PIE gwen (woman, wife), cognate of Greek gyne (woman, wife), Gaelic bean (woman), Sanskrit janis (woman), etc.

    Lots of words related to women have changed over time, it's sort of weird. In Middle and Old English, woman was wif, which later became wife; the word "woman" comes from "wifman", or "woman-man", in the context of the gender-neutral usage of man that's been steadily dropped from English over the past half century (aka, more like "woman-person"). Wif still exists in English in a context closer to its original meaning in the word "midwife" - "woman who is with" (mid being a cognate of the Old Norse miðr (with), seen today in languages like Icelandic "með", Danish "med", etc)

    Even "girl" has changed. "Gyrle" used to refer to babies only (more commonly female, but of either sex). Boys were "knave gyrles" and girls were "gay gyrles" (yeah, the latter term has changed a bit ;) ). The word "boy" existed at the time, but more often referred to a servant or commoner rather than being a generic term for "young male".

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  12. And yet no link to the actual essay by DrXym · · Score: 3, Insightful
    That neither link actually leads to the essay. The Verge link is basically regurgitated clickbait summary of the Nature link. Utterly redundant in and of itself.

    The Nature article while more informative only provides a handful of selective quotes from the essay but still no link. Instead it frames the essay in the context of Churchill's interest in science. How about an actual link to the actual essay?

  13. Re:Maybe he just wanted to shoot them in cold bloo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ask Africa: has kicking out the Europeans helped? Who, among the Africans, has benefited from their departure? There seems to be no lack of savages in the continent. Cf. Congo. Or Rwanda. Or Nigeria. Or SA. All of which are various levels of fucked-up disaster. Best you can get is, maybe, Kenya, where there are still beggars everywhere (in the midst of an incredibly fertile land) and gates blocking the entry to the driveways of hotels in Nairobi - and that was before the mall catastrophe.

  14. Re:Maybe he just wanted to shoot them in cold bloo by Bearhouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Churchill wasn't opposed to barbarous tranny, as long as it was coming from his own country.

    Unfortunately, his position on shemales and ladyboys remains unknown.