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Techdirt Asks Judge To Dismiss Another Lawsuit By That Guy Who Didn't Invent Email (arstechnica.com)
Three months ago Shiva Ayyadurai won a $750,000 settlement from Gawker (after they'd already gone bankrupt). He'd argued Gawker defamed him by mocking Ayyadurai's claim he'd invented email, and now he's also suing Techdirt founder Michael Masnick -- who is not bankrupt, and is fighting back. Long-time Slashdot reader walterbyrd quotes Ars Technica:
In his motion, Masnick claims that Ayyadurai "is seeking to use the muzzle of a defamation action to silence those who question his claim to historical fame." He continues, "The 14 articles and 84 allegedly defamatory statements catalogued in the complaint all say essentially the same thing: that Defendants believe that because the critical elements of electronic mail were developed long before Ayyadurai's 1978 computer program, his claim to be the 'inventor of e-mail' is false"...
The motion skims the history of e-mail and points out that the well-known fields of e-mail messages, like "to," "from," "cc," "subject," "message," and "bcc," were used in ARPANET e-mail messages for years before Ayyadurai made his "EMAIL" program. Ayyadurai focuses on statements calling him a "fake," a "liar," or a "fraud" putting forth "bogus" claims. Masnick counters that such phrases are "rhetorical hyperbole" meant to express opinions and reminds the court that "[t]he law provides no redress for harsh name-calling."
The motion calls the lawsuit "a misbegotten effort to stifle historical debate, silence criticism, and chill others from continuing to question Ayyadurai's grandiose claims." Ray Tomlinson has been dead for less than a year, but in this fascinating 1998 article recalled testing the early email protocols in 1971, remembering that "Most likely the first message was QWERTYIOP."
The motion skims the history of e-mail and points out that the well-known fields of e-mail messages, like "to," "from," "cc," "subject," "message," and "bcc," were used in ARPANET e-mail messages for years before Ayyadurai made his "EMAIL" program. Ayyadurai focuses on statements calling him a "fake," a "liar," or a "fraud" putting forth "bogus" claims. Masnick counters that such phrases are "rhetorical hyperbole" meant to express opinions and reminds the court that "[t]he law provides no redress for harsh name-calling."
The motion calls the lawsuit "a misbegotten effort to stifle historical debate, silence criticism, and chill others from continuing to question Ayyadurai's grandiose claims." Ray Tomlinson has been dead for less than a year, but in this fascinating 1998 article recalled testing the early email protocols in 1971, remembering that "Most likely the first message was QWERTYIOP."
No. You should say QWERTYUIOP and ask why the first email was sent on a keyboard missing the U key.
As far as I am aware, "666BOX" by IPSharp had all the features he's claimed and was first written in 1974. That is, to, cc, bcc, reply etc.
I'm sure others here can come up with other examples?
U can't invent email without U.
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He invented computer science. Hence the word algoreithms.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
He should claim to have invented street-shitting. That'd be a lot more credible.
My first eMail was in the 1980s prior to DNS. name1986@IPv4
Unaccountable leaders are masters, and unrepresented people are slaves. How do US and EU fare?
He's from Bombay so he is probably a hindu, not a muslim. Either that or he has seen some reason and become an atheist.
Oh.
I read it as Internet over Protocol or something ;D
Snopes says that Snopes is reliable. Just the same way that the Bible is the word of God because the Bible says so.
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Steyn resembles Ayyadurai,though. He's an attention whore who makes shit up for attention.
Well, it's possible that he's mildly delusional, as most of us are about beliefs about ourselves that we hold dear.
It strikes me that Ayyadurai is in a legal catch-22 situation. Let's suppose for a moment he did "invent" email. That would make him a public figure, and the legal standard used to establish defamation is "actual malice. That's a difficult standard to meet.
I assume Ayyadurai's complaint are claims that he is a "fake" or a "liar". Suppose some random shmoe is interviewing for a job, and you tell the interviewer that he's a "liar". That is defamation, unless you have actual reason to believe he is a liar. But if you say the same thing about a politician running for office, it's NOT defamation unless you have actual reason to believe he is NOT a liar. That's because the politician is a public figure.
It seems to me nearly impossible to defame someone by calling him a liar in the context of his claiming to invent anything. His very demand to be recognized for his achievement makes him a public figure, whether that claim is true or not.
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Totally
He cleverly won against a bankrupt company, which probably did not show up in court. He does not really have to win against TechDirt or anyone. He has already acquired enough blind followers who would shut out contradictory information, who are in the alternative facts realm. So he is in a no lose proposition. Win, he gets money and more credence. Lose, he would go back to "how big companies in big bad USA had stolen his invention and used high power and money to shut out a poor Indian immigrant". Either way his meal ticket is safe.
So he is going sue me now? For defaming his character?
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
This guy is pretty much equal to trump.
Snopes is reliable unless you like alternative facts.
His all argument is basically based on semantics. Basically, when he was a teenager, he wrote a program called "EMAIL", and that was the first messaging system called "EMAIL", except that it wasn't, previous systems had been referred to as "e-mail". At any rate, he then asserts that because his system was called "email" and he can't find anyone who called previous systems "email", that not only is he the first to develop a messaging system with that name, but apparently the first to develop a messaging system with those features. It's a semantic wordplay feeding into a conflation fallacy, because the features of his program already existed by 1975-76.
He's a kind of IP troll save that he's bereft of any actual IP. At this point he really is a kook in the classic vein, trying to salvage a reputation he never really had.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Except Mann isn't a fraud, and no one in the scientific community actually thinks he is, and why Steyn is being sued is for comparing Mann to Jerry Sandusky. Steyn is a polemicist whose stock and trade is making outrageous statements for the hoards of like-minded who want to believe science is a lie and Muslims are all evil.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
but without those managers, upper management would never have funded it.
Snowden and Manning are heroes.
Kill him, put his head on a pike. Can't sue anyone when you're dead, can you? Leave the head for anyone who feels like it to use it as urinal. Problem solved.
It reads "I invented e-mail, and all I got was this stupid T-Shirt!"
He's a kind of IP troll save that he's bereft of any actual IP.
Which means he's not an IP troll at all. What he is, is a glory hog. It's a bad thing to be, but not every bad thing to be is the same thing.
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So is this this decades GNAA poster?
Time will tell.
Unless that's you, Donald.
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Nothing is 100% reliable and if you want to find out something reliably the right way to go about it is to find better facts, not just merely claim because you happen to sometimes get them wrong any given fact is wrong.
No, the original GNAA crew actually claimed to *be* GNs. There was that movie. And they were occasionally funny.
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Unlike you, Steyn is literate. The word you failed to find is horde.
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Yeah, it's not nearly as good as that other unbiased and always accurate source of information we all know about...
Sarcasm aside, there's also the fact that he didn't suggest he created the internet. He had a slightly awkwardly phrased statement taken out of context.
If two black men having anal sex makes you laugh, then, yes, GNAA is funny.
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Let's see... the only people saying Snopes is wrong are blatantly alt-right white nationalists or ultra-conservatives who dislike facts and rationality
What makes you say that? Were they at the same time making Nazi salutes and calling for the destruction of all Jews?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I love pointing out the horrible technical errors they make in that show. For something that is supposed to be about a genius, it is amazing how much they get wrong.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?