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EU Privacy Watchdogs Say Windows 10 Settings Still Raise Concerns (reuters.com)

Julia Fioretti, reporting for Reuters: European Union data protection watchdogs said on Monday they were still concerned about the privacy settings of Microsoft's Windows 10 operating system despite the U.S. company announcing changes to the installation process. The watchdogs, a group made up of the EU's 28 authorities responsible for enforcing data protection law, wrote to Microsoft last year expressing concerns about the default installation settings of Windows 10 and users' apparent lack of control over the company's processing of their data. The group -- referred to as the Article 29 Working Party -- asked for more explanation of Microsoft's processing of personal data for various purposes, including advertising. "In light of the above, which are separate to the results of ongoing inquiries at a national level, even considering the proposed changes to Windows 10, the Working Party remains concerned about the level of protection of users' personal data," the group said in a statement which also acknowledged Microsoft's willingness to cooperate.

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  1. This is an OS by HalAtWork · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It shouldn't be collecting data of any kind unless you opt to submit crash reports

    1. Re:This is an OS by yuvcifjt · · Score: 5, Informative

      The same can be said about any Google product from Android/ChromeOS to Search/Maps/Mail to Doubleclick/Captcha/Analytics/Tag Manager/APIs/+1/etc.

      I'm not defending MS doing it so openly, but we should put things in perspective and realise how powerful Google is compared to any other company. They even have their hands dirty in the system behind tax and health in various companies and governments, not to mention corporate email systems!

    2. Re:This is an OS by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wish i had mod points but yes. Google keeps "updating" tools that require the latest browser so "older" browsers get phased out. Then they jump in bed with the makers of the browsers to whittle away your ability to stop being tracked or defend against seeing ads.

      +1 insightful for you.

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    3. Re:This is an OS by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

      I actually do this regularly, both by clearing cookies and using private browsing modes. Videos play instantly for me, no agreements of click-through T&Cs.

      The only time you need an account is to watch videos marked as "adult", although you can skip that requirement just by editing the video's URL.

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  2. EU Governments need to ban Windows 10. by Zombie+Ryushu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only way for the Privacy of EU Citizens to be assured of Privacy in the EU is for EU Governments to ban the Use of Windows 10. The entire OS is Spyware. Full stop.

    1. Re:EU Governments need to ban Windows 10. by xlsior · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If they were to ban the sale of Win10 in the EU, Microsoft would magically have a non-privacy-violating version read the next day.

      The EU is a much larger market than North America, Microsoft couldn't afford to ignore it.

    2. Re:EU Governments need to ban Windows 10. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If they were to ban the sale of Win10 in the EU, Microsoft would magically have a non-privacy-violating version read the next day.

      And pirated by us US-ians the day after that.

    3. Re:EU Governments need to ban Windows 10. by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if the Express said that in an 8-month old article I guess it must be true.

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  3. They also need to prevent unattended reboots by Snotnose · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My #1 complaint on Win10, over the telemetry and touch oriented interface, is the fact that whenever I open my laptop I never know if it will have rebooted or not.

    I don't understand how M$ can think it's ok to reboot my laptop without first getting my consent. If it weren't for a couple programs I need Windows for I'd have 2 laptops running Linux, instead of just 1.

    1. Re:They also need to prevent unattended reboots by Snotnose · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not really. There are thousands of apps companies write to support their widget. For each app there isn't enough interest (mostly because you need $companies product to need the app) for the OSS folks to care.

      If you have to buy a $20k doohicky that takes a dedicated windows app to control, how many OSS folks will be chomping at the bit to write the control program?

  4. Microsoft's Windows but not Google's Chrome? by yuvcifjt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Interesting to note how much Google is spending on bribing (aka "lobbying") the EU.
    Not to mention the US.

    But of course, both Microsoft and Google should be publicly shamed for using their users and leaching them of their private lives.

  5. Mass Protect time: GIGO Microsoft. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We need to create an app called "GIGO". We'd give it a mascot, maybe a big yellow friendly llama, with a long tail and pointy ears grinning. Make it look like some poindexter that cannot shut the heck up.

    Upon installing, it asks you for a personality; neurotic Nancy, paranoid Paul, Bodacious Bob, and so forth. It then turns on every conceivable tracking option and signs up for every account Microsoft wants you to like a good little MS Drone.

    It does bing searches for random key words, logs into random websites, turns on every conceivable tracking option, it browses sites like Salon, looks for sentences with a ? at the end, then copies and pastes them into Cortana then randomly clicks on a link, over and over and over again. It brings up youtube videos, enables audio loopback, and plays speeches back to microsoft off of youtube. It would browse twitter, and reddit, and 4chan, and and wet sweaty armpits of google image search, download random pictures, then rename them similar to digital camera files, while changing the color, pitch, resolution and so forth slightly each time, and upload them to onedrive; if it's neurotic nancy she uploads and deletes a gig of crap every week. If it's paranoid paul, he only puts a few images a day up, and also copies and pastes random sentences from books together.

    In other words, we'd build a bot to harass Microsoft. A team of people would get together and determine what the next thing to feed Microsoft would be. Every month we'd do another kick starter; vote with your dollars to hire people to find and photo shop pictures of Microsoft employee's as Borg drones and upload them to the mother-ship. Upload tons of cat picks to Microsoft but in every conceivable spelling and mis-spelling of pussy.

    The ultimate goal would be, since Microsoft has decided AI is the future and everything they do is pointless, we'll simply feed Microsoft a never-ending stream of complete, utter, and total dog sh!# data. We'd want to get to the point of ridiculousness where Microsoft has to sue the app creators for damages or ask the FBI to arrest them for hacking, but the only real hacking going on is they're enabling the automation of friendly GIGO, talking about whatever people wanted GIGO to talk to Microsoft about. We'd advertise GIGO as "A friendly computer use assistant that makes your computer feel loved by using it when you aren't".

    That's what needs to happen here. Fatten the hog on garbage, then slaughter it.

  6. vote with your wallet by FudRucker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    dont buy microsoft windows 10, buy a computer without windows that has Linux pre-installed or install your favorite flavor of Linux.

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    1. Re:vote with your wallet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      dont buy microsoft windows 10, buy a computer without windows that has Linux pre-installed or install your favorite flavor of Linux.

      Yeah, or wipe it and install 7. I'm still running XP (with PoS updates) on many computers, having no problems. I don't know why so many techies like to bash XP - "it's an antiquated unsupported OS". I guess bashing anything is the current popular trendy thing. If 7 or 10 where so radically different I would understand. Right now XP is very refined. People should want a very refined, developed OS. Obviously Linux is well refined, fully open, and I've been running mostly SlackWare for most than 20 years, but there are many great easy distros like Mint out there.

  7. Got tired of that shit, went back to Win 7. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I was constantly fighting my computer when it was running Windows 10.

    Disabling annoying telemetry stuff (only to be re-enabled by some random patch), trying to constantly kill Windows Update so it didn't force a reboot in the middle of something important (only to have that re-enabled by some random patch as well), etc.

    I went from "hey, this is a pretty reliable machine I can actually rely on for daily use" to "what the fuck is Microsoft going to screw up today and cost me an hour or two of work to fix?".

    In the end, it wasn't worth it. Reverted to Windows 7, haven't looked back. I don't really know what I'm going to do when they fuck up Windows 7 just as badly or try to depreciate it, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. It'd sure be nice if ReactOS was capable and stable enough to run x64_64 applications, and enough of them that I could use it as a daily driver.

    1. Re:Got tired of that shit, went back to Win 7. by StormReaver · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't really know what I'm going to do when they fuck up Windows 7 just as badly [as Windows 10] or try to [deprecate] it, but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

      You're at that bridge right now. It's time to start switching to Linux, while you still have some breathing room, and not wait until you're in a crisis.

      Windows 7 is already deprecated, though support hasn't been complete pulled yet (but all the copies of Windows 7 that will ever be provided to retailers are already in play). And ReactOS will NEVER reach API parity with Windows 7/10+. WINE has been chasing the Windows API for decades, with spotty success at best.

      I switched to Linux full time back in 1999, and haven't used Windows at home since then. I weathered the ups and downs of my transition, learning as I went along, but it didn't take long before the Linux way (I settled on Kubuntu) of doing things seemed more natural than the Windows way of doing things.

      But I didn't wait until I was at a do-or-die confrontation with life. I switched while I still had plenty of time to learn my new surroundings. This is where you are right now. Don't wait until you are under pressure. Start now by using the same Free and Open Source Software on Windows as you will be using under Linux (to the extent that it is available on Windows). Then, when you switch, you won't be under extreme pressure to replace your software and operating system at the same time.

    2. Re:Got tired of that shit, went back to Win 7. by allo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      TL:DR: A OS should work for you, not against you.

  8. Windows 10 is a means to an end by QuietLagoon · · Score: 4, Informative

    Microsoft has re-purposed Windows. No longer is Windows main functionality an operating system. Windows has become the basis for egregiously extensive data collection. The sooner everyone who uses Windows realizes that, the sooner they will stop trying to keep Windows in the past when it was actually a useful operating system.