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China's Millennials Are Hustling For Part-Time Gigs Instead of Traditional Jobs (bloomberg.com)

Bloomberg has a report today in which it underscores a growing trend among millennials in China who are looking for part-time jobs. From the article: Hopping from one short-term stint to another isn't the sort of aspiration an earlier generation had in China, where the middle-class dream has long been university degrees followed by a stable job -- preferably one backed by the government. In a 2016 poll of 13,000 college students, 48 percent said they didn't want to enter the traditional labor market. Hardly any of these part-time jobs pay well, but it doesn't matter to millennials. The report adds: "The money is little," Zhang Chen, a 21-year-old accounting student said of the short gig that pays about 240 yuan ($35). "But I want a more interesting life." Chen was lined up for the work through DouMi, a startup that focuses exclusively on part-time positions and blends elements of a temp agency with an internet jobs board and marketing service. For around 130 yuan a day, DouMi users can sort crates of milk at a supermarket or hand out pamphlets on frozen sidewalks. Those considered "beautiful women," and between the ages of 18 and 28, can make four times as much plus tips by working as live-streaming models to keep mostly-male viewers entertained. Many of the roles run for mere days or weeks at a time, a flexibility that suits those juggling social lives and university studies. "Every month we have between 300,000 and 400,000 jobs," said Chief Executive Officer Zhao Shiyong.

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  1. Beware the gig economy... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and demand full time employment.

    The gig economy is an extension of the reduce all costs, regardless of longterm impacts mentality that has brought us off-shoring, temp workers and the destruction of the middle class and the safety nets of retirement benefits.

    It is one more step down the short road that leads is to eating tasty soylent green while pedaling a stationary bike for electricity and dreaming of actually holding a grapefruit

    1. Re:Beware the gig economy... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      ...and demand full time employment.

      How does one "demand" full time employment? Can I demand that you provide me with a full time job?

      The root problem is that we have pushed more and more social responsibilities and costs onto employers. If I hire someone to drive a truck, why should I suddenly be responsible for his medical care? If most people swap jobs every few years, does it really make sense for employers to be responsible for their retirement savings?

      In Maoist China, each factory ran a school for the children of their workers. If you changed jobs, your kids had to switch to a different school. That seems crazy, but employer provided medical care, and changing doctors when you change jobs, is just as silly. The only difference is that we are used to it.

  2. I hate euphemisms.... by ewhenn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I hate euphemisms, and "gig" is just a euphemism for day laborer. We've been down that path before, is this really what we want to go back to?

    1. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's a part-time gig anyway? It's only 1000MB some of the time?

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    2. Re: I hate euphemisms.... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Those of us with real jobs paying actual salaries with real benefits stand to lose because of your shortsightedness.

      I've had some IT support contracts (gigs?) that paid better than what the full-time employees made. After I ran into a former coworker at a job interview, I turned down the job offer because my hourly rate was 80% greater than his for doing the same job. Those 2% raises over nine years don't add up to much.

    3. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some people do. Hence the article. What is your problem with it?

      Let me know how "interesting" a Millennial's life becomes when their gig job doesn't pay medial or dental benefits, and an accident happens.

      How exactly is a gig economy going to provide benefits for things like starting a family. How will that family cope when tragedy strikes as no life insurance benefit is offered.

      The "gig" economy is a bullshit attempt to glamorize and hide the real issue, which is a population outpacing the availability stable employment that provides necessary benefits. And as the parent pointed it, this bullshit is a slippery slope we don't want.

      Instability should never be viewed as a good thing.

    4. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 3, Informative

      The supreme irony is that "job" used to mean a form of employment that was exactly that. Perhaps it's merely cyclical.

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    5. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by ninjabus · · Score: 2

      It's just cognitive dissonance. If you're young and everyone you know can't find stable employment it's very easy to write it off as something that you weren't seeking out to begin with.

    6. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The "gig" economy is a bullshit attempt to glamorize and hide the real issue, which is a population outpacing the availability stable employment that provides necessary benefits.

      In some cases, this is being driven by population vs. employment. But in many cases, simple greed is a major contributing factor. It's so much cheaper to operate a business with a bunch of part-time workers. Many businesses would prefer it, if they could get away with it.

      Instability should never be viewed as a good thing.

      Yeah, unfortunately most folks in the past couple generations never had to see what the "gig" economies of the past were actually like. Back when you'd go to your local town square or down to the docks or whatever, and stand in line waiting for some potential employer to choose you for work FOR THE DAY. And then you'd break your back doing labor for the day, make enough money to feed your kids, and you'd be off again begging for work the next morning. If you hurt your back or got sick or whatever, you and your family were screwed. End of story.

      This was what employment was like for LOTS of people for millennia. Skilled workers like craftsmen could sometimes get more stable jobs, because their skills increased the productivity of the business and employers recognized that.

      But for laborer jobs or other things you could likely be trained to do in an hour or two? Not so much. And that's what many modern "gig economy" employers are exploiting again -- can you drive a car? Fine: you're a part-time Uber driver. Be sure to show up on time and be pleasant enough to keep the high ratings, or you won't have a job tomorrow.

      Lots of people today criticize unions (sometimes rightly) for corruption, etc. But what unions fought so hard for for a century or so was to finally get modern civilization out of that and recognize that even laborers and unskilled workers deserve to be treated with dignity in their jobs, rather than discarded at the end of the day.

      But no more -- I'm frankly shocked at how many younger folks seem brainwashed by all the hooplah over the supposed benefits of the "gig economy." People who know anything about history, on the other hand, see this as exactly what it is: an opportunity for businesses to return to a model where they make greater profits and don't have any obligations to their workers beyond today.

    7. Re: I hate euphemisms.... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      I go out hourly at 3x my previous full-time salary hourly rate (roughly $300/hr).

      That's consulting work. What I do is virtual ditch digging work that no one else wants to do.

      I mean, certainly the supermarket needs boxes unpacked full-time, but by breaking it up into "gigs" they can pay someone a small hourly rate to unpack milk for four hours without benefits.

      I've done plenty of four-hour jobs as a PC disconnect/reconnect technician for a moving company. The client being moved is obligated to pay a minimum of four hours. It takes an hour to disconnect the PCs, two hours for the movers to move stuff, and another hour to reconnect the PCs. While the movers are moving stuff, the PC techs are waiting around and doing nothing.

    8. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by ranton · · Score: 2

      The "gig" economy is a bullshit attempt to glamorize and hide the real issue, which is a population outpacing the availability stable employment that provides necessary benefits. And as the parent pointed it, this bullshit is a slippery slope we don't want.

      Society needs to start coping with the reality you describe instead of pretending we can continue to force employers to pay people more than the economic value they can provide. I for one welcome the gig economy, along with a universal basic income, so we can allow employment opportunities to exist whenever there is a willing employer and employee.

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    9. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      Yeah, unfortunately most folks in the past couple generations never had to see what the "gig" economies of the past were actually like. Back when you'd go to your local town square or down to the docks or whatever, and stand in line waiting for some potential employer to choose you for work FOR THE DAY. And then you'd break your back doing labor for the day, make enough money to feed your kids, and you'd be off again begging for work the next morning. If you hurt your back or got sick or whatever, you and your family were screwed. End of story.

      This is easily mitigated these days: don't have a family. Now you only have to worry about making enough money for yourself, and saving enough for yourself on days you don't have any work.

    10. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by geekmux · · Score: 2

      Given the impacts I've pointed out, I won't have to say a damn word to those who seem to "like" this.

      Life will eventually slap them in the fucking face, as wisdom and experience have taught many.

      I know plenty of people with wisdom and experience who make a very good living as independent contractors. They have plenty of opportunities to find full time positions but vastly prefer their current arrangement.

      The problems you mention seem to only be the case when current workers are being paid more than the economic value they provide.

      A life-changing car accident. A cancer diagnosis. A pregnancy. The problems I describe are often in the realm of accidents, which no human can accurately predict when that may happen to them or how often, and have jack shit to do with workers being overvalued. This is also why so many of us value those critical insurance benefits, along with the stability of full-time employment; to not only prepare for when life happens, but also create a career that will hopefully fund the concept of retirement.

      Corporate Greed will certainly prefer a "gig" economy that does not favor being prepared for life, which is the reason we should not let it continue to grow as the preferred economy.

    11. Re: I hate euphemisms.... by Rastl · · Score: 2

      The problem is that once the "gig" path becomes commonplace, companies will expect it and we will gradually shift to a mostly gig economy. Those of us with real jobs paying actual salaries with real benefits stand to lose because of your shortsightedness.

      Don't think this won't happen. The city where I grew up had a very large auto manufacturing plant. At the height it was running 3 shifts a day, 7 days a week. But it was bought out and downsized.

      All those sweet union jobs got slashed and suddenly people were scrambling for any work they could get. Employers soon realized they could hire 2 part time people without benefits for far less than 1 full time person with benefits. Since people were taking ANY job this became the model for most businesses that could support it.

      It took at least a decade for things to settle out into a more 'normal' situation where full time jobs were prevalent or at least more common.

    12. Re:I hate euphemisms.... by Carewolf · · Score: 2

      What's a part-time gig anyway? It's only 1000MB some of the time?

      Yes, they were known a Quantum Fireballs.

  3. Seen this before... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've seen this before in the video game industry. High school graduates pissing their pants to test (not play) video games and get paid for it. Eager beavers willing to work 80 hours a week for months on end. Flash forward years later, they're no longer in the video game industry and realize that all they have accumulated is a bunch of cheap tech toys. Sad.

    1. Re:Seen this before... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2

      Yep. Exactly. Gotta love government IT workers!

      I love my government IT job. After years of working for Fortune 500 IT teams, I'm finally working with the best pros in the industry. ;)

  4. Nail on the head by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    "moving out from underneath Mom and Dads roof;"

    Its very easy to talk about money not mattering and wanting an interesting life when you don't have to worry about rent or bills. Part of being an adult is accepting responsibility for your own fate and - unless you want to live in a hut in the woods or a park bench - than means finding the money to pay the above.

    The "gig" economy is just (usually rich) hipster talk for dead end park time McJobs thats been repackaged and remarketed for the latest gullible generation of 20 somethings who haven't yet wised up.

  5. Re:Really More Interesting? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

    As opposed to the traditional job market where you may work between 1 and 10 different jobs throughout your entire working life (and getting bored in the process)? By comparison, E-giggers can work dozens or up to a hundred different jobs.

    ...that are boring right from the beginning.

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  6. as long as they just part timers and not 1099's er by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    as long as they just part timers (w2's) and not 1099's.

    I don't know how that works in China but in the usa there is a lot of abuse of 1099's as the work places get's out of paying taxes, uniforms (in some states they must be free to workers) others mini wage laws apply. liability, workers comp, tool/car/cell reimbursement.

  7. Re:Once you take away the need for FT benefits by Qzukk · · Score: 3, Informative

    Dunno where you work, but around these parts all the part time jobs are scheduled by the week, and half of them will fire you if you can't show up in 30 minutes when they call you in for the lunch rush or inventory night. Oh, you're at your other job? Oh your other job wants you from 11-2PM next week too? Tough shit, but hey, you only lose half your income.

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  8. Re:as long as they just part timers and not 1099's by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

    Not only is there an incredible amount of abuse, the IRS publishes rules about what is and isn't allowed, however the IRS does absolutely *nothing* about any abuse. They're quite happy to let it continue.