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Microsoft Confirms Another 2017 Update After Windows 10 Creators Update (betanews.com)

Posted by msmash on from the more-Windows-updates dept.

Mark Wilson, writing for BetaNews: Windows 10 Creators Update is due to arrive in the spring, and at Microsoft Ignite in Australia, the company confirmed that a second major update is on the way later in the year. We don't know a great deal about this update, but it's likely to incorporate Project NEON design elements. While it is not a new revelation that a second big update is coming to Windows 10 in 2017, until now there has only been a passing reference to the second one from Microsoft.

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  1. The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    1) Can I disable it?
    2) Does it remove the spyware?

    Microsoft, please get it: NOTHING ELSE matters to us concerning your Windows 10 updates.

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    1. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Darinbob · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear potential user:
      We don't understand your reluctance. Perhaps we have not sent you enough marketing literature. We will remedy this, and increase our presence here on Slashdot so that you don't miss out on any exciting Windows 10 announcements.

      Sincerely,
      Microsoft Windows 10 Grass Roots Marketing Team

    2. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by sremick · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Telemetry is not spyware.

      I beg to differ. In fact, places that deal with HIPAA and PCI compliance rules have to be crazy-OCD about this sort of stuff. On paper, it would seem that the mandatory telemetry could easily violate these regulations, and Microsoft refuses to give assurance or proof otherwise.

      Windows is racing Apple to see which can become wholly unsuitable in an enterprise environment first.

    3. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by darkain · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Win10 Ent is available as a volume license purchase only. I'm in an organization with less than 10 people but are required to be PCI Compliant. Microsoft literally offers 0 versions of Windows 10 that are both compliant and purchased in a small enough quantity for our business.

    4. Re: The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Ayanami_R · · Score: 2

      This is the part where I think there is a massive disconnect between technologists and the layman. The layman, even when it's explained to them the privacy implications of a system, they simply do not care.

      "I know, but I want the service"
      "I'm not that important"
      "Well how else is service supposed to work?"

      I could go on, but I think you get the point. My uncle had his identity stolen because facebook, he has some money, and it took 6 months to sort out. He's still on facebook... MS just wants to cash in on what Google, Apple, and Facebook already are, and whose behavior has been already normalized, it's just not true for MS yet, but a couple years and I think it will be.

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  2. Translation... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 3, Funny

    "We weren't able to jam all the spyware and bloat in for this release and still make the timeline, so we're giving you another release later this year to add all that and more!"

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  3. Agile! by Master5000 · · Score: 2

    Is the cancer of today's software development world. Quality plummets but look at how many releases we can put out per month! Isn't that cool? Features! No QA! Fire them all! It's for the best! Constant refactoring! No need to think ahead just refactor in the next sprint! Redneck programming YEAAAAH! Seriously though... When the hell did this joke become so popular in the dev world? Agile is the antithesis of quality. Did Einstein and others use agile in order to progress science? No? What did they do? They thought long and hard. They didn't try to skip the thinking part in order to get to writing ASAP. So why the hell aren't we trying to emulate the smart guys? Why are we trying to emulate Joe six-pack who just wings it and hopes for the best?

    1. Re:Agile! by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Actually, agile software development improves quality by delivering on shorter development cycles. What's the point of spending 2 years developing a multi-million-dollar, fully-featured content management system when requirements change out from under you? Every piece that doesn't work as well in the real world as it does for QA will break all at once when you ship it out--welcome to beta software--and features will do what users wanted two years ago.

      With agile development, you deliver in pieces. You do iterative development, producing a framework or basis upon which to build further components. You do incremental development, producing fully-functional components which you can deliver immediately for use. Further development on iterative components reveals defects and design deficiencies, and so you refactor, re-engineer, and adjust to meet requirements. Delivery of a working component generates user feedback, which allows you to detect and correct for defects and changes to requirements.

      At every stage, you generate more knowledge. Producing each piece, iterating on each framework, and responding to each piece of user feedback generates information which is folded into the further parts of the project. Rather than dumping one piece onto the pile of shit-to-deliver-later and blissfully working on the next, you get told that the shit you just made isn't what we need, and you can reflect on that and the implications for the next piece of the project. That means each piece takes into account the failures encountered so far, and the final product delivers closer to actual requirements at delivery time.

      Part of planning is applying knowledge you have. Agile project management allows you to generate new knowledge at every stage and roll that forward into planning the next stage. You can't apply knowledge you don't have.

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    2. Re:Agile! by geek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      When agile is done correctly you are right. But agile, like socialism, is always "perfect world" scenario stuff. All too often management wants you to release early and often and miss the "fail quickly" component.

      Where I am now we're expected to release often with the same standard of QA we had with a traditional waterfall project management style. It just doesn't work, leads to higher stress, turn over and ultimately failure. Then you have the shops that want to apply agile to fucking everything from janitorial services to sales. This is the cookie cutter approach, or like my old boss used to say "Give the fuckers a hammer and suddenly everything looks like a nail"

      I'm just not impressed with agile. The quality of development the last 5 or so years from every shop I've seen use it has fallen sharply.

    3. Re:Agile! by iampiti · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Worst of all, Windows is an OS. It's the basic software of your computer. As such it must be stable and performant. So agile it's the absolute worst possible development process for it.
      Good job Ms!