Microsoft Confirms Another 2017 Update After Windows 10 Creators Update (betanews.com)

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Microsoft Confirms Another 2017 Update After Windows 10 Creators Update (betanews.com)

Posted by msmash on Tuesday February 21, 2017 @04:40AM from the more-Windows-updates dept.

Mark Wilson, writing for BetaNews: Windows 10 Creators Update is due to arrive in the spring, and at Microsoft Ignite in Australia, the company confirmed that a second major update is on the way later in the year. We don't know a great deal about this update, but it's likely to incorporate Project NEON design elements. While it is not a new revelation that a second big update is coming to Windows 10 in 2017, until now there has only been a passing reference to the second one from Microsoft.

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Update already released. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-02-21 04:48 · Score: 1

You can download it here
1. Re:Update already released. by Anonymous Coward · 2017-02-21 07:54 · Score: 1
  
  You mean here
The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Opportunist · 2017-02-21 04:49 · Score: 5, Insightful

1) Can I disable it?
2) Does it remove the spyware?
Microsoft, please get it: NOTHING ELSE matters to us concerning your Windows 10 updates.

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1. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Darinbob · 2017-02-21 05:16 · Score: 5, Funny
  
  Dear potential user:
  We don't understand your reluctance. Perhaps we have not sent you enough marketing literature. We will remedy this, and increase our presence here on Slashdot so that you don't miss out on any exciting Windows 10 announcements.
  Sincerely,
  Microsoft Windows 10 Grass Roots Marketing Team
2. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by sremick · 2017-02-21 05:37 · Score: 4, Interesting
  
  Telemetry is not spyware.
  I beg to differ. In fact, places that deal with HIPAA and PCI compliance rules have to be crazy-OCD about this sort of stuff. On paper, it would seem that the mandatory telemetry could easily violate these regulations, and Microsoft refuses to give assurance or proof otherwise.
  Windows is racing Apple to see which can become wholly unsuitable in an enterprise environment first.
3. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by darkain · 2017-02-21 06:13 · Score: 5, Insightful
  
  Win10 Ent is available as a volume license purchase only. I'm in an organization with less than 10 people but are required to be PCI Compliant. Microsoft literally offers 0 versions of Windows 10 that are both compliant and purchased in a small enough quantity for our business.
4. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Billly+Gates · 2017-02-21 06:32 · Score: 1
  
  Not true. It's like $8 a month and even individuals can use it starting with Windows 10. I am not defending. Just stating MS is making enterprise more readily available
  
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5. Re: The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by JediJorgie · 2017-02-21 07:00 · Score: 1
  
  That is true, if by "us" you mean a tiny minority of Windows 10 users.
6. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Kjella · 2017-02-21 07:14 · Score: 1
  
  Not true. It's like $8 a month and even individuals can use it starting with Windows 10. I am not defending. Just stating MS is making enterprise more readily available
  The price sounds right (but not cheap if you consider that if you stay 10 years with Win7 you'll pay like $10-20/year) but where can one actually buy a single license? They say it's per user but not in any place Microsoft makes easy to find at least. Also you have to hook yourself up to the Azure cloud to use the CSP version, if you don't want to be tethered to Microsoft you need the VL version. Also it's the E3 version which basically means you get an 8 month slack on your leash using CBB (current branch for business) but not the LTSB version, that's volume licenses only.
  Microsoft means business with the "last version of Windows", you can get a few months reprieve if you pay well but nobody's getting off the upgrade train this time around. The next time they pull a Vista or Win8 or whatever, you'll be dragged kicking and screaming. I hope that vGPU stuff that was on the front page recently works out, then Windows will become my Wintendo VM and they can do whatever they want as long as Steam works.
  
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7. Re: The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Ayanami_R · 2017-02-21 07:26 · Score: 2
  
  This is the part where I think there is a massive disconnect between technologists and the layman. The layman, even when it's explained to them the privacy implications of a system, they simply do not care.
  "I know, but I want the service"
  "I'm not that important"
  "Well how else is service supposed to work?"
  I could go on, but I think you get the point. My uncle had his identity stolen because facebook, he has some money, and it took 6 months to sort out. He's still on facebook... MS just wants to cash in on what Google, Apple, and Facebook already are, and whose behavior has been already normalized, it's just not true for MS yet, but a couple years and I think it will be.
  
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8. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by LVSlushdat · 2017-02-21 07:54 · Score: 1
  
  If you don't like it, install Linux. Or a BSD. Or whatever you like.
  Don't you worry your astroturfing AC head over that, as an ever-increasing number of us HAVE dumped anything MS and enjoy our computers FAR more than we did when still using Windows.. I used/supported MS products for 20 years as a user and a sysadmin. When I retired in 2010, I decided I was done with all things MS, and one day deleted the Win7 partition on my systems, reinitialized grub and haven't looked back.. I'm supremely entertained by all the abuse MS heaps on those poor suckers who put up with said abuse by continuing to use MS products..
  
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9. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Blaskowicz · 2017-02-21 08:12 · Score: 1
  
  That story did a poor job explaining what such a vGPU is, i.e. not explaining it at all.
  I am fairly confident you need an expensive AMD Fire Pro or equivalent graphics card, and nvidia might lock the feature away in Geforce GRID products only - uncommon rackable hardware for the kind of companies that can get a Windows volume license anyway.
  It's likely more cost efficient to have two computers, one for Windows and one for browsing and work, although I call that a waste of silicon and other materials.
  One option would be to use a KVM switch and an old, outdated PC with Windows 98 or XP or 7 32bit etc. (or dual/multi boot these), non networked to the internet. Then you can run old games at least.
10. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by Billly+Gates · 2017-02-21 08:47 · Score: 1
  
  Speaking of which Nvidia crippled their own drivers on Linux to prevent KVM working properly with power management ... Unless you buy the expensive Quadro's of course
  
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11. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by geek · 2017-02-21 13:56 · Score: 1
  
  Telemetry is not spyware.
  I beg to differ. In fact, places that deal with HIPAA and PCI compliance rules have to be crazy-OCD about this sort of stuff. On paper, it would seem that the mandatory telemetry could easily violate these regulations, and Microsoft refuses to give assurance or proof otherwise.
  Windows is racing Apple to see which can become wholly unsuitable in an enterprise environment first.
  What a load of bullshit. I have hundreds of HIPAA and PCI systems in my enterprise and Windows 10 never even comes up in the discussions with the compliance people. Stop making shit up just to fucking hate on Windows 10.
12. Re:The usual 2 Windows10 questions: by exomondo · 2017-02-21 16:05 · Score: 1
  
  I'm supremely entertained by all the abuse MS heaps on those poor suckers who put up with said abuse by continuing to use MS products..
  I use Windows 10 for some workstation tasks at work (simply because capable applications are not available on other platforms) and at home for gaming. I turn off the one-line start menu suggestion and turn off the typing/voice feedback in privacy settings and I'm curious: What is the specific "abuse" you're referring to?
  I hear a lot of hyperbole but not a lot of evidence.
Translation... by MachineShedFred · 2017-02-21 04:49 · Score: 3, Funny

"We weren't able to jam all the spyware and bloat in for this release and still make the timeline, so we're giving you another release later this year to add all that and more!"

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Agile! by Master5000 · 2017-02-21 04:55 · Score: 2

Is the cancer of today's software development world. Quality plummets but look at how many releases we can put out per month! Isn't that cool? Features! No QA! Fire them all! It's for the best! Constant refactoring! No need to think ahead just refactor in the next sprint! Redneck programming YEAAAAH! Seriously though... When the hell did this joke become so popular in the dev world? Agile is the antithesis of quality. Did Einstein and others use agile in order to progress science? No? What did they do? They thought long and hard. They didn't try to skip the thinking part in order to get to writing ASAP. So why the hell aren't we trying to emulate the smart guys? Why are we trying to emulate Joe six-pack who just wings it and hopes for the best?
1. Re:Agile! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-02-21 05:02 · Score: 1
  
  It is cheap, and in most software dev environments, if you can get features done and the thing shipped, you win, regardless of the technological debt obtained. Refactoring makes no ROI, so why bother. Same with security.
2. Re:Agile! by bluefoxlucid · 2017-02-21 05:03 · Score: 2
  
  Actually, agile software development improves quality by delivering on shorter development cycles. What's the point of spending 2 years developing a multi-million-dollar, fully-featured content management system when requirements change out from under you? Every piece that doesn't work as well in the real world as it does for QA will break all at once when you ship it out--welcome to beta software--and features will do what users wanted two years ago.
  With agile development, you deliver in pieces. You do iterative development, producing a framework or basis upon which to build further components. You do incremental development, producing fully-functional components which you can deliver immediately for use. Further development on iterative components reveals defects and design deficiencies, and so you refactor, re-engineer, and adjust to meet requirements. Delivery of a working component generates user feedback, which allows you to detect and correct for defects and changes to requirements.
  At every stage, you generate more knowledge. Producing each piece, iterating on each framework, and responding to each piece of user feedback generates information which is folded into the further parts of the project. Rather than dumping one piece onto the pile of shit-to-deliver-later and blissfully working on the next, you get told that the shit you just made isn't what we need, and you can reflect on that and the implications for the next piece of the project. That means each piece takes into account the failures encountered so far, and the final product delivers closer to actual requirements at delivery time.
  Part of planning is applying knowledge you have. Agile project management allows you to generate new knowledge at every stage and roll that forward into planning the next stage. You can't apply knowledge you don't have.
  
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3. Re:Agile! by Anonymous Coward · 2017-02-21 05:09 · Score: 1
  
  This is how it should work in a perfect world.
  Reality is different - in the real world 'agile' is too often synonymous to: Release often, regardless of QA, come hell or high water. Errors remain uncorrected or even become part of the feature set, knowledge is not gained nor applied.
4. Re:Agile! by geek · 2017-02-21 05:18 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  When agile is done correctly you are right. But agile, like socialism, is always "perfect world" scenario stuff. All too often management wants you to release early and often and miss the "fail quickly" component.
  Where I am now we're expected to release often with the same standard of QA we had with a traditional waterfall project management style. It just doesn't work, leads to higher stress, turn over and ultimately failure. Then you have the shops that want to apply agile to fucking everything from janitorial services to sales. This is the cookie cutter approach, or like my old boss used to say "Give the fuckers a hammer and suddenly everything looks like a nail"
  I'm just not impressed with agile. The quality of development the last 5 or so years from every shop I've seen use it has fallen sharply.
5. Re:Agile! by iampiti · 2017-02-21 05:20 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  Worst of all, Windows is an OS. It's the basic software of your computer. As such it must be stable and performant. So agile it's the absolute worst possible development process for it.
  Good job Ms!
6. Re:Agile! by Master5000 · 2017-02-21 05:34 · Score: 1
  
  Wow you should really consider politics. My BS meter is off the charts. Last September I started working on making a port to Android for a game engine. The first step was to create a GLES3 backend and then to make it work on Android. So the first 'sprint' took until January and the second until mid-February. Tell me exactly how do you write user stories for an OpenGL backend? It either works or it doesn't. There is no in between. There was nothing for me to show right until the end when I started getting things on screen, fixed a few last bugs and there it was, working. Literally, until the last few weeks there was nothing on the screen. If I had a client that would request a demo every 2 weeks I'd have been fired long ago. Luckily it was an open source project so there were no morons there who used Agile or daily stand ups or poker planning or other BS. Some things take a long time to be made. There is a lot of pre planning, a lot of execution, and a lot of bug fixing. There is no way of iterating this stuff every 2 weeks. Unless you really want to get a lot of churn and make the project take 10 times longer while I create BS mini projects in order to show you progress at every 2 weeks. It either works or it doesn't. No in between. That is why planning is good, it tells you what you should do next. Also, you need to get it right, because you don't want to get the backend working 6 months from now and discover that you didn't need it. Don't iterate, think it through really deep because you probably get only one chance. Don't skip the deep thinking part. This is your make or break part. Still agile people don't want to accept these things...
7. Re:Agile! by bhcompy · 2017-02-21 06:44 · Score: 1
  
  In your case agile would help to avoid the eventual trouble when the client brings a phone for you, and you notice it's a Windows Phone instead of Android, and graphics need to be done in Direct3D, not OpenGL. That would not be unheard of. Having no client solves that problem, though.
  Statement of work: Build engine for Android architecture
  
  Sales Order: Pay me money net-30
  
  Where's the confusion? If the customer provides a Windows phone, too fucking bad they signed a goddamned contract that explicitly stated what they needed and that was produced and delivered. Problem? See you in court. -Signed, Every corporation I've ever worked for
8. Re:Agile! by bluefoxlucid · 2017-02-21 07:39 · Score: 1
  
  Sprints are SCRUM. You don't need to use SCRUM to perform agile project management.
  User stories are an attempt to dress up requirements gathering and the requirements traceability matrix. In project management, a requirement has a business justification and a stakeholder. The Requirements Traceability Matrix (RTM) will tell you the requirement (what?), the stakeholder (who?), the business justification (why?), and the Work Breakdown Structure (WBS) elements which implement the requirement (how?). User stories attempt to make this relatable by describing it in child-friendly terms: "As the manager of finances, I want to be able to compare categorized expenses from different time periods so that I can identify where our major expenses are and how new controls impact those expenses."
  As you point out, this is kind of silly for an OpenGL back-end. The user story is something like "as a user on an operating system which doesn't support DirectX, I want to be able to use the software so that I can use the software," or something equally generic. In a RTM, you would simply identify stakeholders as "Linux users" and "MacOSX users", and give the business justification that "the software platform does not support the DirectX back-end". In an actual business, you might identify the product manager as the stakeholder, and use the business justification that demographic data shows interest among MacOSX users. There's no need to invent a fancy story.
  
  If I had a client that would request a demo every 2 weeks I'd have been fired long ago.
  If something deliverable can't be produced in 2 weeks, then it can't be delivered every 2 weeks. Plain and simple. Sometimes the next iteration or incremental deliverable takes months to ship. Nobody who knows what they're doing actually implements a 2-week rule; some people use that as a soft guide-line to wring out the WBS (which is used in SCRUM and other agile methodologies), and even then they find that some work packages are necessarily hours or days long while others take longer than 2 weeks.
  The standard delineation for work packages is "when the work is broken down to a level at which further decomposition no longer provides a management benefit," which effectively means you only decompose work which cannot be fully understood and measured as a whole unit. "Actigraphy Module" for a generic polysomnography application, for example, is insufficient: you have to break that down at least to include Interfaces, Base Classes, Zero Crossing Class, Time Above Threshold Class, and Digital Integration Class. You might also include, at that level, an Integrations deliverable, which breaks down to include FitBit, Pillow, EightSleep, Jawbone, and other actigraphy-based systems, because "Integrations" is made up of complex pieces and can't be estimated without thinking about the pieces from which it's made.
  None of that comes out to "two-weeks". It still comes out to iterative and incremental delivery, user feedback, and compiling lessons learned repeatedly to avoid further defects.
  
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9. Re:Agile! by Master5000 · 2017-02-21 08:01 · Score: 1
  
  You have just described a sane development model. Unfortunately for most shops, agile means delivering something barely working in order to satisfy some moron and then spend some more time trying to refactor and get rid of garbage so you can move forward to the next sprint. So basically, in 2 weeks you get around 7 days of development because you spend 3 getting ready for the demo and dismantling the pilled up shit that was necessary to get the demo going. Which is highly inefficient and leads to a lot of waste and redone work. Agile means: get it done till the end of the next week or else.
10. Re:Agile! by Orphis · 2017-02-21 08:03 · Score: 1
  
  If your engine is sooooo complicated that creating a simple scene to show progress is too hard, then you already failed at technology.
  You could easily have small deliverables or demo to show that what you have works:
  - Create a context, show a simple triangle
  - Add texture, shaders support, maybe lighting with hardcoded data in the renderer
  - Load textures and shaders as assets (probably requires changing the buildsystem and asset loader)
  - Load geometry, levels...
  - Controls working
  - Sound effects working
  That way, you can make sure that every single step is working. If you don't have anything renderer until the last few weeks, then you clearly have an issue...
11. Re:Agile! by bluefoxlucid · 2017-02-21 09:56 · Score: 1
  
  Yes well, some people hear the word "Agile" and don't bother to look up what that means. There are published standards on this stuff, you know. They're built on top of other published standards. I don't like the SCRUM terminology largely because I work better with direct information instead of social idealism--therapy for me involves a pencil and a clipboard while the psychiatrist tries to explain wtf is wrong inside my head, not group-hug sessions, supportive friends, and pep talks--but it's still actually a highly-bureaucratic, defined process. I simply have to decode the metaphor to something concrete to access it.
  
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12. Re:Agile! by Master5000 · 2017-02-21 10:07 · Score: 1
  
  You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. You need to have the whole pipeline ready in order to show anything on the screen. That is, even a simple triangle. You are either able to show it or not. And for about 3 months, there was nothing to show on the screen until the pipeline was ready. And yes, a graphics renderer really is 'sooooo complicated' as you put it.
13. Re:Agile! by geek · 2017-02-21 10:30 · Score: 1
  
  When agile is done correctly you are right. But agile, like socialism, is always "perfect world" scenario stuff.
  To be fair Capitalism is also a "perfect world" scenario. You can paint it red (communism) or blue (capitalism), but what we have in reality is the very same modernized Feudalism.
  No, capitalism is self correcting. Capitalism acknowledges flaws but allows for markets to fix them. Socialism does not, can not and will not do so. What you're talking about is crony capitalism which is a mix of capitalism and socialism where government picks winners and losers.
14. Re:Agile! by Orphis · 2017-02-21 11:22 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know, I don't have much experience and only worked on a few console games and emulators!
Yay! by iampiti · 2017-02-21 05:21 · Score: 1

I can't wait for project Neon!, an even flatter, uglier more touchy UI. I'm sure it's gonna be a delight to use on my desktop PC
For the record... by hyades1 · 2017-02-21 08:09 · Score: 1

I will upgrade my Win 7 and Win 8.1 machines to Win 10 on the day Margot Robbie bursts through the door of my apartment and begs to have sex with me.

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1. Re:For the record... by hyades1 · 2017-02-21 14:58 · Score: 1
  
  That would be terrible. I'd have to submit to Ms. Robbie, then commit suicide.
  
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Operation "boil the frogs" by HalAtWork · 2017-02-21 11:08 · Score: 1

Operation "boil the frogs" is continuing as planned I see!

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ugly? by mcswell · 2017-02-21 16:12 · Score: 1

I was given an old laptop that had Windows XP on it the other day. I had forgotten how beautiful it looked, easier on the eyes than Win7, and far better than Win10. I fear that this "Neon" is a further step in the wrong direction. The pictures I've seen are really uninformative--half are gray windows on black backgrounds, the rest are simply uninterpretable. One article says Neon will bring "motion and fluidity to Windows 10's desktop. Apps will be expected to use transitions and animations..." Sounds like it's designed to make you seasick.
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Windows 11 by cherishjoo · 2017-02-21 18:21 · Score: 1

Will it be Windows 11? Haha