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Tinder Wants AI To Set You Up On a Date (bbc.com)
Dave Lee, writing for BBC: Tinder is growing up. It's now a serious technology company tackling one of life's most important matters, and is by far the most popular dating app worldwide. After a lot of boardroom musical chairs, Mr Rad is the chairman of both Tinder and Swipe Ventures, the arm of the company designed to buy other dating-related technologies. One of which is artificial intelligence. And its collision with dating might be the most intriguing application of AI yet. "I think this might sound crazy," Mr Rad said on Tuesday at tech conference Start-Up Grind. "In five years time, Tinder might be so good, you might be like "Hey [Apple voice assistant] Siri, what's happening tonight?' "And Tinder might pop up and say 'There's someone down the street you might be attracted to. She's also attracted to you. She's free tomorrow night. We know you both like the same band, and it's playing -- would you like us to buy you tickets?'... and you have a match. "It's a little scary."
i must tell my wife! hooray!
Hello? Where's my date?
Now Tinder itself is a bot.
For the millionth time, just because someone has a nice picture and you like the same band means jack shit to any sort of real life potential.
The book Super Crunchers, which is pretty old, describes the use of regression modelling by eHarmony to find couples with similar interests and personalities. The book noted that some of its competitors also crunched numbers but tried to identify compatible personality differences rather than similarities.
Until we develop an AI that can read between the lines honestly good luck with that
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
Tinder, the people who brought you the simple flowchart of "if the guy isn't ripped or doesn't have a BMW, swipe left", logic of dating?
No thanks.
I think grinder knows where you can stick your AI
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
Fuck that.
Hi, my name is Werner Brandes. My voice is my passport. Verify Me
Hit the gym hard and day trade successfully and you can have ripped abs and a beemer too.
Let me make sure I got this right....a dating app wants to set me up on a date?
Wow, talk about finding novel uses unrelated to the original functionality, what motherfucking super genius came up with this brain-busting idea of using a DATING APP to set people up with DATES?
What's next, using a washing machine to clean your clothes?
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
I start believing Tinder recommendations after they start collecting the relevant DNA samples, you know, to compensate for the lack of the smell test, diet information, health records, insurance information and the complete social network, work and school histories, those teacher reports starting from kindergarten (not the report cards for parents) and any social services and criminal reports. Privacy? Who cares about it when you want to reproduce and live happily ever after.
No, I rather die alone with meaningful or meaningless death than submit myself to the system.
could we please not have slashdot articles that are merely ads for crap products?
People are the problem, not the match-making system.
So long as people are willing to lie and manipulate to get laid or married, so long as they have unrealistic expectations and get vindictive when they're not met, there won't be an AI-managed dating app that will handle matchmaking well.
Anyway, the only matchmaking test you need is "do you find this person who is within a reasonable distance at least marginally attractive and have a shared activity you'd participate in together at least once?". The rest is bullshit.
I would have thought it was all hookers and dudes pretending to be girls by now.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
They need to take care of the countless bots/fake accounts on it, often seems like half or more are, but they won't because they artificially inflate the user base and force people to use the app longer. They often reshow the same accounts repeatedly no matter how often you swipe left or right on them. They also seem to have stopped putting regular users on people's stacks after swiping right unless you're using boost or a superlike, which add up quickly (need plus and buying extra boosts). If you live in a big city, many may never swipe on you as they just don't see your profile. Also, many women are using it for real dating or just to see how popular they are with hot guys when the app was designed around hookups (very superficial so you know little about the person). If you meet up with women who are serious about no ONS, odds are very slim you'll see a second or third date because they start wanting to test out every one of the 5000 matches that they can. You likely have very little in common anyway, something you can't tell from the app since they provide so little info about the person and no one wants to ask a shit ton of boring "what do you like" questions. As another said, more than other online dating options, it heavily favors a very small percentage of men who are clearly well off and good looking. Most women look for those guys and swipe left or ignore everyone else, then get upset those guys never message them/respond or only want to hookup. As with dating apps in general, the male:female ratio heavily favors women, so if you're not one of the top guys, you'll end up having to put a lot more time and effort into the app before scoring a date despite how simple it seems and hookups will be even less common.
Based on how I've seen most people use Tinder, a truly advanced artificial intelligence would simply connect them to a local escort service.
On every other halfway decent porn page you already get the info that there's someone near you who has exactly the same interests and wants to fuck even. Just click on the image of the hot chick...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
siri: there are 20 eligible singles in your area you should consider! shall I set up a date?
me: *loads up the Gentoo homepage*
siri:...oh....
Good people go to bed earlier.
I don't care how smart your AI is; how could Tinder know me? Buy profile info from Google?
You can deduct a *lot* from tracking a user these days. Especially with all the data smartphone apps offer up to their suppliers. You basically have a more complete and trustworthy personal profile of a person than the person could probably even willingly give themselves. Sleeping habits, areas of interest, modes of transport, typing speed, wording/education, interests, income, temper, sexual preferences, political affiliation, religious beliefs ... the data hog megacorps of today know *everything* about you.
Having a large set of algorithms chose your partner for you based on such data is most likely to be a better choice than most humans could ever hope to make. The computer already knows much more about both mates than each could know about each other in years. And bring people together who would've never come together under regular circumstances.
Finding a fitting mate would actually be one of the better reasons for me to offer my data up to some app.
My 2 cents.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
How long until we stop being individuals and start following what our phones tell us to do such that AI is now playing a version of "The Sims?"
We know all the scenarios where AI fucks us over, it's about time we heard about the scenarios where AI gets us fucked. ;)
Anons need not reply. Questions end with a question mark.
Allowing a group of centralized elites to control mating opportunities. Gosh, no way that will be misused.
Existing approaches try to make matches between people who (ostensibly) share common interests, which definitely include meeting someone who they'll get along with, possibly for marriage, possibly for hookups. Some of these put an emphasis on raw sexuality, others claim to be about long term stuff, but ultimately each attracts a userbase suited to that behavior. The fact that you have to back up your tinder profile with some game is a feature to the users who are choosing to select someone who is capable of that, not a bug. The fact that you have to put up with endless tests on some sanctimonious religious website is a feature to the other users, not a bug. These tests are designed to weed out the people who do not and can not meet those social standards, physical standards, whatever.
What would putting an AI- even a really good AI- in charge of it, do? What's the goal of the AI? Your goal and the goal of your potential picks might be similar, but why would you assume the AI would have that as its goal? If the AI is trusted, a way to game that trust (and therefore get a potential mate you may not otherwise be able to) would be worth quite a bit to unscrupulous individuals as well. Your BEST case scenario here is that you give a lot of power to some goddamned server room.
A bigger thing is, what's the goal with an AI-driven matchmaking or hookup site? What's the model that pays for everyone at the company? Is it subscription based? Are they literally incentivized to keep you on the website meeting people, instead of being involved in a monogamous relationship with no need for their services, even if that is both your stated and actual preference? "Uh oh, these two would be a perfect match, and therefore we'd lose two customers. Better prevent them from meeting each other through this app!"
Brave New World was supposed to be a warning, not a guidebook.
rule 16 - there are no girls on the internet.
I used the online dating sites pretty heavily when I was younger and still single. (I'm married to a woman who I met via OKCupid, as a matter of fact.)
I think like many things in life, you only get out of it what you put into it. If you approach the sites with the "kid in a candy store" mentality (which MANY men and women do), it turns into a way to flip through hundreds of photos to pick out only the people you find the most physically attractive, and to see how many of them you can get to go out with you. A whole lot of people who really tried to leverage the power of the dating site to find you better matches gets squandered or trampled on by all the people "clicking the pretty pictures". (After all, why waste hours taking numerous personality profile tests, writing a complete "bio", etc. -- if all of it was ignored by the majority of people anyway?)
Realistically? I know I'm not a bad looking guy, but I'm not a "head turner" either. I think I rank somewhere solidly in the "average" category on looks. So if we're only competing on a selection of photos alone, I'm going to be consistently left in the dust by guys 10 years younger than me, guys who go to the gym at least 3-4 times a week, etc. That's fine with me though, because I wasn't looking to date models who walked right off of photo shoots either.
So what happened for me is that I actually had some of my most enjoyable dates with women I met on Craigslist personals -- where half the time, they didn't even share a photo. I just went by what they wrote and how they wrote it, to determine if they seemed intelligent, relatively honest, and if we had some things in common. None of these dates led to anything serious, but they felt "genuine". Both of us were going into it pretty much blindly, with "blank slates" as expectations. And even when there was no chemistry, we were able to walk away as friends who just enjoyed a really good dinner or a few games of billiards or what-not.
When I put in the effort to really read through detailed profiles, compare "compatibility percentages" based on tests we both took, and contact people who shared mutual interests and beliefs over on sites like OKCupid? I generally got no response at all. I really think most women on there were just overwhelmed with a large number of initial contacts from all the guys who just said, "Ooh.... sexy photo. I'm gonna chat her up!", and/or got sucked into behaving the same way on the site.
When I finally met the woman I married, it was only because I'd already given up using the web site and left my profile sitting out there for months. I got an email notification that she had sent me a "Woo!", so I signed back in to see who did it and what their story was. That's when it turned out she lived in a different state, but had gotten so frustrated by the lack of communications with people taking the site seriously that she kept expanding her search outside her city and eventually to other states. She liked what I had to say in my profile, so sent me the "Woo" rather than wasting time writing a big letter for nothing (like had so often happened to her previously).
Tindr wasn't even a "thing" yet back then, but when I read about it as a new dating app, I realized it captured the essence of how most people were really using all of these other sites to begin with. Why bother taking quizzes or writing a lot of content? Just show the sexy photos and let people hit on each other....
Attaching THAT to a personal assistant is going to be relatively pointless, IMO. But a site that makes a serious effort to collect user info and preferences, that actually gets USED by serious individuals who want to fill all of that out? That could work.
Am I the only one who thought of Quantum Leap while (mis)reading the headline?
Al: Sam, I want to set you up on a date
Sam: Oh boy!
My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
"Your perfect match is a penguin."
Only tech guys will get the subject line if it prints it all, but essentially Tinder is owned by Facebook and they just want an excuse to gather more data and control every aspect of your life. Same as usual. Honestly, it's like AI is the solution of choice to combat open source ideology. How does one combat something we can't put a backdoor in and uses modern or higher encryption methods? Looks like we need more data. Oh! I know! We shall build an AI and release it as if it is objective and highly advanced tech (insert skinny white collar with thin glasses). Then, use all the data no human can sift or sort through in a realistic time crunch to digitally fingerprint every human on the planet. But what about those I regions without computers or too old to turn one on? Well sill goose, we will just have to put smart cameras everywhere and use facial recognition and behavioral data collected to digitally fingerprint those guys. And as far as third world countries go, we at Facebook have a top notch team working on making sure the whole world has Internet. You know...out of the goodness of our hearts. (Bursts out laughing). And yes, these balloons and satellites will have cameras too. You can be in the poorest country in the world and still everyone has a cell phone.
Directly down his windpipe
It's a combination of geo-targetting, data-mining, simply calendar comparison algorithms, trivial pattern matching and showing someone a picture alongside a binary choice.
They'll set you up on a date with AI.
This story makes me ponder the few times my "friends" tried to fix me up with someone without even considering my type. "She's single" is not a useful commonality. And in the 2010's, saying "She's into computers" doesn't mean the same thing it did during the 1980s. So, my "friends" clearly lacked intelligence in this matter so it remains to be seen if there is any "intelligence" in a piece of software.
Or "That girl is interested in you" might mean "that girl want to have her really bizarre fetish realized and it includes you and a thomas the tank engine costume".
I won't use Tinder because it requires Facebook. Fuck you, Tinder.